Anyone have any idea on what a ralliart motor with 130,000ks on it would be worth these days?

And is the cost really worth that extra bit of engine output vs just ralliart cams in a 3.5 or even a 3.8 conversion?

A friend has offered me one but im wondering are they really worth it?

Cheers

benifit is less hastle putting in a 3.5 than a 3.8l
the ralliart as a tiny bit more power, but the 3.8L will be easier to get more power out of it.

The ralliart engine has less power then the 3.8 and generally pulls more of a premium. Forget the advised "175kw" for the 380 engine, that is in the 380... Closer to 190kw in a magna with a normal exhaust (see: 1 cat) and less emissions-focused tuning.

If you can get it at a decent price (say - under 1000) it might be worth it, otherwise 3.8 is the way to go.

Looking at a little over $1000, im keen on 3.8 but its a big jump in price

Also i spoke to SKR today, apparantly i can swap JUST by KJ ecu over to my KF and he will just delete the immobiliser and tune for ralliart tune, sound right? I thought there would be alot more needed

Not really a big price jump... Shop around and you'll find a 380 motor for around the $1000 mark fairly easily.

Not really a big price jump... Shop around and you'll find a 380 motor for around the $1000 mark fairly easily.

Yeah im just not mech savvy lol electronics is another story, so what am i looking at for full conversion with labour roughly?

Ralliart engines areexpensive because they arent common not because they are amazing.

Ralliart engines areexpensive because they arent common not because they are amazing.

Yeah my thoughts exactly lol

Not really a big price jump... Shop around and you'll find a 380 motor for around the $1000 mark fairly easily.


Good luck with that, if you can get one for that price i'd suggest you buy 2 :)

MR SPL...if you're after 380 cams, shoot me a pm.

Good luck with that, if you can get one for that price i'd suggest you buy 2 :)

MR SPL...if you're after 380 cams, shoot me a pm.

lol cheers but i already have 380 cams waiting to go on, just need to choose between cams, ralliart motor or 6g75

lol cheers but i already have 380 cams waiting to go on, just need to choose between cams, ralliart motor or 6g75

Well,when you decide to get the Ralliart or the 3.8,l would be interested in the 380 cams ,please..

Ralliart motor with 130,000kms for just say $1200. No bargain here but it's not expensive by any means.
3.8 With 130,000kms $1200 is looking possible however will be a harder fitment and possibly more money on new extractors to clear sump and may need a major service if you dont know the service history of the car it came from. This could cost upto $2500 for a fully working 3.8...however

The 3.8 Will have approx 155kwATW with no modification and will react to simple mods such as cam and tune very well.
The Ralliart engine will give you about 137kwatw. Torque in the 3.8 will also be better down low.


It just comes down to the price you are willing to pay for power in your magna. Don't forget aswell the more power you have the better rubber, brakes and suspension you should have to accomodate, especially with the torque of a 3.8. The addition of an LSD would also help alot but this is going to cost a fair bit.

Hope this helps with your final decision. If you are planning to go big with power get the 3.8 IMO. If not, Just get the Ralliart engine and get it tuned. It's got plenty of grunt for everyday life but you won't be anything amazing.

I am putting my opinion between two ideas, I would go for 380 motor mate, reason is there will be more power and less weight to pull and will be quicker then most 380 cars. Its your decision but i know what i will be doing when times comes cheers Dean

Ease of fitment and less stuffing around = Stay with 3.5L

More low down torque with old 4speed auto (or heavy AWD) = Go with the 3.8L

Why do you need new extractors, why not just change the sump

Good luck finding a 380 motor for $1200, given that the wrecks still go for much more than that and the motor is the main part of the return on wrecked 380 unless is a vrx or gt

Ease of fitment is not an issue, so you need to change over some accs and the sump, not a big deal really lol


Not really a big price jump... Shop around and you'll find a 380 motor for around the $1000 mark fairly easily.

Again you make these claims, how about you put some fact where your mouth is for a change, list all of these $1000 motors Dean, tell people where they are. Last time I did a ring around all I found for under $1500 was a bunch of motors from flooded cars, you may come off ok with one of these but then again you will most likely come off badly especially given teh time since the floods now and the time these have been sitting around. Oh I did find one for $950, only had 195k on the clock too lol

Ease of fitment is not an issue, so you need to change over some accs and the sump, not a big deal really lol

It is when the person has stated that hes not mechanically savvy.

Changing the sump and the other bolt ons (or even doing a full engine build) is easy for us who have done it plenty of times but for the first timer it can be quite a daunting task.

A flooded motor would be OK provided it is torn down and cleaned out soon after the flooding event, but let them sit around for a few months with water and silt in them, well, that's another story. Not worth a single dollar, really.

By all means dont think u cant,mod a 3.5 either. I gained 22atw just from a tune.

Not really a big price jump... Shop around and you'll find a 380 motor for around the $1000 mark fairly easily.
from what i've heard 6G75 motors go on average for $1500-2k... so far i've only heard of one being less than $1k. even my motor was a few hundred over $1000 (with less than 100,000kms)


... Oh I did find one for $950, only had 195k on the clock too lol
you're the second person to say they'd do the swap for $950, i'm gonna assume that other places i will go to would quote me a price similar

The ralliart motor has 130000 kms on it. 130 is quite high for a 3.8 so I think just over 1200 is reasonable.

Ease of fitment and less stuffing around = Stay with 3.5L

More low down torque with old 4speed auto (or heavy AWD) = Go with the 3.8L

Will probably go with 3.5 manual box i reckon, all good still? SKR seem pretty happy to tune her for me :)

After weighing up my options i think i will go with a low km 6G75 :) Should keep me going for many years yet and its not a massive price difference compared to power etc Im putting on extractors, full split system, KJ ecu with tune etc etc

After weighing up my options i think i will go with a low km 6G75 :) Should keep me going for many years yet and its not a massive price difference compared to power etc Im putting on extractors, full split system, KJ ecu with tune etc etc

Good choice. If u are getting extractors get some that will clear the 380 sump. Makes the swap a little easier.

Good choice. If u are getting extractors get some that will clear the 380 sump. Makes the swap a little easier.

Pacemakers do yeah?

Think hou,need ralliart/ hm or rpw shortie extractors. If u have pacies youll need to swap more parts

Or modify the pacies.

Again you make these claims, how about you put some fact where your mouth is for a change, list all of these $1000 motors Dean, tell people where they are. Last time I did a ring around all I found for under $1500 was a bunch of motors from flooded cars, you may come off ok with one of these but then again you will most likely come off badly especially given teh time since the floods now and the time these have been sitting around. Oh I did find one for $950, only had 195k on the clock too lol

Ben's was $700, there was recently one bought from a western melbourne wreckers for 900, there have been numerous quotes from NSW wreckers between 900-1100. Just because some wreckers are overcharging for them does not mean they are all that expensive. As for wreck prices, lets just say I know what they really go for...

Shopping around never hurts, if I was going to blow $1600 on an engine, I'd buy a 6G75 MIVEC from the states. $1600 was the price I was quoted complete shipped to sydney with 65,000km on the engine.

Yes, Deer Park Wreckers, dont be afraid to say who sells them Dean, it will not hurt and for the record, they can be cheap but if a day later someone calls them for the same part the price can double with them

$1800 is not over charging for an engine, you see you do not understand that in VICTORIA that these cars go for between 2.5k to 3k each for a wreck, trans is no good to sell, you sell an engine for 1k and you make a loss, why dont you understand the simple math here. There is not that much else on a 380 aside from brakes that sells

Also, 135k for a 380 is not a lot so does not automatically reduce the price of the motor lol

I will, as long as I am being forced to pay so much for wrecks, keep selling motors for this price

Also with the HM etc, they are too close to the sump, is just easier to change it over, remember I have done getting on 15 of these now and have 2 in my shop being done right now.

And $1600 for a complete mivec and including shipping, that is great, how much more to get it running???????

Lets stop spouting crap in here unless you have actually done these please as it will just lead to confuse those who are genuine in looking for alternatives.

Having already done 2 6G75 conversions (and possibly a 3rd if that person out there asks me on a good day :P), it's not that hard to do if you're mechanically minded...

I believe Mal's prices are fair. $1800 is not too expensive for a low k's motor. It's definitely worth it if you want the boost in low down torque / your existing motor is on the way out. Remember, other similar sized motors of the same year cost 2+ times more...

There's plenty of clearance to the 380 sump if using spaced out stock headers (IH8HSV for now), or RPW shortys (like mine). If you have a look at the 380 headers, there is still only about 15-20mil clearance from the closest point of the sump to the heat shield on the 380 piping.

I haven't ever done the sump mod, so I can't comment on that.

Also, because so many people have called wreckers for engines/cams from 380's and not purchasing, they now think that the motors are unreliable and I've seen some attempted profiteering among some of the wreckers in NSW...

From what i can find if done properly with the right tune etc they are reliable?

They don't seem any less reliable then the standard motor that came in your car. Especially if you get a low Kms motor. The only thing that will become less reliable is a manual diff if you thrash the thing.

Mr spl,personally I'd go the Ralliart motor. Given it's genuine it will be worth a lot more down the track compared to the bucket loads of 380 engines about. Whats a few kws between the two, plus wouldn't the 3.8 be even more thirsty than the 3.5? genuine Ralliart sounds better to me than a regular 380 donk.

my 3.8 in my magna is more fuel efficient then my original 3.5 due to the extra torque of the motor

Mr spl,personally I'd go the Ralliart motor. Given it's genuine it will be worth a lot more down the track compared to the bucket loads of 380 engines about. Whats a few kws between the two, plus wouldn't the 3.8 be even more thirsty than the 3.5? genuine Ralliart sounds better to me than a regular 380 donk.

Yeah i dont know boosty. . I can't see the value of these engines going up to be honest, i mean im hesitant to pay the cost now, cant imagine them going up in value! Where as with the 380 motor is alot more powerful then stock and my chances of finding one with low ks seems alot more likely! The gearbox is another story, just the LSD from the ralliart went for $2000. .

The 380 motor is going to win hands down on all factors....so what if the Ralliart motor is genuine,it not even going in to a Ralliart.
The Ralliart only has the cams and bit of head work,and the 380 runs essentially the Ralliart cams with far superior flowing heads and bigger capacity.


Why buy old when you can buy new in terms of design and straight up kw increase.

After having had the ralliart motor in my wagon and then recently doing another fwd 380 conversion I would take the 380 over the ralliart anyday

Lets face it, the 380 heads are similar, comps are not far different and the cams are the same, dont really see why they would eb valuable in any time as they will just clock up more km's and get older (ralliart that is)

WIll only really be valuable in a small way for a ralliart owner with a blown motor who wants to keep it original

After having had the ralliart motor in my wagon and then recently doing another fwd 380 conversion I would take the 380 over the ralliart anyday

Lets face it, the 380 heads are similar, comps are not far different and the cams are the same, dont really see why they would eb valuable in any time as they will just clock up more km's and get older (ralliart that is)

WIll only really be valuable in a small way for a ralliart owner with a blown motor who wants to keep it original

hahahahahaha and i still went to 6G75 lol

After having had the ralliart motor in my wagon and then recently doing another fwd 380 conversion I would take the 380 over the ralliart anyday

Lets face it, the 380 heads are similar, comps are not far different and the cams are the same, dont really see why they would eb valuable in any time as they will just clock up more km's and get older (ralliart that is)

WIll only really be valuable in a small way for a ralliart owner with a blown motor who wants to keep it original

Yeah I guess I was thinking of this point, it would be worth a gem to an original ralliart owner wanting to keep it original. I can completely understand that.

But I guess the consensus is the 380 Motor seems to exceed on all fronts and given the amount of conversions that seem to have been done and by experts as well, then the 380 block offers more.

Cant wait to see how the ride goes with the new motor Mr SPL.

SPL ... MADMAGNA has given you Best advice....good luck

SPL ... MADMAGNA has given you Best advice....good luck

Yeah im going with it :)

Yeah im going with it :)
You made good decision and i would have your car anytime then rallyart....

You made good decision and i would have your car anytime then rallyart....

I like my 3.5l hehe

By all means dont think u cant,mod a 3.5 either. I gained 22atw just from a tune.

on the ralliart with no mods? where in the powerband or was it just peak? and who tuned it... interested! Thanks!

Forget the advised "175kw" for the 380 engine, that is in the 380... Closer to 190kw in a magna with a normal exhaust

How is this possible when we're talking about engine power?

How is this possible when we're talking about engine power?

What Dean (Life) means is that in a stock 380 the 6G75 is a bit strangled at both ends, intake and exhaust.
Stick one in a Magna with a decent intake system (not the 75mm stock snorkel) plus extractors (get rid of the two pre-cats), a hi-flow cat and a straight through rear muffler, run it on 95 or 98 RON fuel, and you're looking at 190kw at the flywheel instead of 175kw.

How is this possible when we're talking about engine power?

As above, when fitted to a 380 it is bound be 3 limitations.

1. Emissions based tuning (for EURO3 compliance)
2. 3x Catalytic converters (same as above)
3. Inadequate induction

The magna on the other hand has none of this.

i sold my ralliart engine for $900, and bought a 380 engine for $880. its newer, has more power. i cant see any reason to use a ralliart engine unless you have one, its cheap, or because it gives you a warm feeling being ralliart (which may turn to a cold shiver and regret when a 380 powered magna beats you down the strip)

The 3.8l may be more powerfull but ive proven its not quicker than a 3.5l with exhaust witch a 380 already would have and 380 cam on the 3.5l. But yeh i personally would keep my 3.5l now i know wat its capable of.

Ok people, especially 2 of you in this thread, enough is enough

There are so many infractions I could hand out here there would be at least 5 members who would be lucky to ever see AMC again, Life and Kurt, GROW THE HELL UP ok. Given that I have fitted so many of both engines to cars I could step in and start even more debate but for FFS, who the hell cares. Life, you should also know better being the member who has been around the longest...

I am now closing this trash and am going to leave it up to the moderators to determine who or if anyone gets an infraction, what that infraction will be and if it leads to a ban of that member.

Thanks to all of the people who have actually reported this and not made extra comment, has made out time much easier