Ok so i have been through every single useful thread on the matter on this forum that i can find and cannot get a definite answer.

My situation is my TF Wagon is off the road at the moment due to having no license and just completing a 3.5 manual conversion. Everything is set to go on it just need to buy some new extractors.
Car is going for roadworthy end of next week hopefully and need to have some here and fitted by then.

The general consensus is that either pacemakers or HM as i gather but i would rather try and avoid both as due to the following reasons. Pacemakers need to be welded up, my MIG is out of argon and don't want to go and fill up on gas right now and having no license it will be too much of an inconvenience to organize to somehow get them and the flex pipe to en exhaust shop to modify them, and i have a limit of $650 so i THINK HM are out of the questions.

So i need direct bolt on headers ideally. I have searched and have come down to the main options being RPW Race headers or Redback Headers which no one seems to have any experience with.
OR if anyone else can advise otherwise.

I will be doing the fitting so no labor costs are included.
Help with this would be greatly appreciated and would save me from this frustration of reading multiple conflicting opinions i keep reading.

Thanks...

RPW< they are just Hurricane Rip offs and have no EGR pipe fitting which in your case should not be an issue. Pacemaker as stated numerous times crack, you dont need to have this to worry about

Why do you even need extractors, seems like you have much more important things to be spending on and the exhaust on the std Magna is more than sufficient for the job, only real case you will get a decent gain is on the AWD which yours is not

Personally, save the extra $100 or so you will need for the HM as they are better quality, are factory designed, heat sheilds bolt up, they dont crack and these are just a few of the reasons that they are better

For future plans it would be more economical to buy them now, there will be future mods once on the road and due to the fact that i have no 3.5lt Y pipe, i would have to buy one which i see as more suitable for the to just put in the extra money now and purchase some, rather than waste money on a new Y pipe which i would inevitably ditch anyway.
So RPW no go? Or are they still half decent?

Thanks.

I think 90% of people that have (tried to) deal with RPW have had it end badly. I think someone ordered an LSD and it came with all the manufacturer numbers hacked at with an angle grinder.

For future plans it would be more economical to buy them now, there will be future mods once on the road and due to the fact that i have no 3.5lt Y pipe, i would have to buy one which i see as more suitable for the to just put in the extra money now and purchase some, rather than waste money on a new Y pipe which i would inevitably ditch anyway.
So RPW no go? Or are they still half decent?

Thanks.

If you use Pacemaker you will need to use an old engine pipe back to the cat anyway, although you can use the 3.0 pipe section. You have no Gas for the Mig so you will need to still fix that to weld the section on anyway

Thanks Mal. How susceptible are the pacemakers to cracking though?

Think pacies only crack because they need to be heated before they are bolted on as they don't fit 100%, then people just bolt them on and over time they crack off from the engine.

No they crack because the jig they're made in isn't ever 100% correct. The instructions that I've seen state to have both sides of the extractors held on by the nuts (by a couple of threads) on the heads, then done up evenly on both sides.
After that is done, you are meant to turn the car on to heat the pipes and let the heat reform the pipes as they cool down.

Is that the best way to do extractors? I dont know, I'm not a zorst guy...

IMO pacies are best for people who dont mind having nothing or near nothing until 4ishK RPM. Thats what I found when I had my pacemakers, I was always waiting for the revs to rise to the sweet spot before I actually got put back into my seat.
I have RPW shorty extractors on my 6G75, which are very similar in design to X-Force (dont get these stainless POS's) and HM's are still similarish. They're very good for midrange, which is what you want in a V6.

dont use rpw, you will regret it later on

Ok scrap all this going to go with pacemakers as found them at a much better price than was looking at before and will be able to afford to go and refill my argoshield bottle for the MIG.
Can anyone confirm though that these pacemakers on this web site are genuine and have the right part number?
http://www.bestmufflers.com/bshop/product_info.php?products_id=278{39}37{55}25&osCsid=65a1471c3faddf0eeff5ed75f85c2f04

Thanks.

They are the right ones, but from the research i have done lately paccies are not the way to go. .

All the best with them lol. Looks like that this thread was a price driven thread and had nothing to do with quality at all. Not trying to be offensive but ppl gave advice all the way through but still a few $$ is what won the debate so really just turned out to be yet another duplicate thread about exhausts yawn.....

Reason peacemaker crack is because the ongoing stress they have not having a centre flex pipe. Is because of the missing flex pipe they are cheap. Reason HM are more expensive is they are stainless and are much better made

All the best with them lol. Looks like that this thread was a price driven thread and had nothing to do with quality at all. Not trying to be offensive but ppl gave advice all the way through but still a few $$ is what won the debate so really just turned out to be yet another duplicate thread about exhausts yawn.....

Reason peacemaker crack is because the ongoing stress they have not having a centre flex pipe. Is because of the missing flex pipe they are cheap. Reason HM are more expensive is they are stainless and are much better made

Well no not exactly price driven otherwise then i would have gone for the Wildcat system which i can get significantly cheaper than any else.
The general consensus seems to be HM headers and the only main reason for this being the fact the pacemakers crack. If this is true i will follow the fitting instructions properly and then later also add a small flexpipe onto the new y pipe for the front bank also to stop this happening.

The reasons are far from the fact that they crack and by the time you add the time and cost of the flex pipe you are back to a set of HM yet again

The main reasons
Dont Crack
Dont rust like Pacemaker as HM are stainless
Look original, heat shields bolt on
Better ground clearance
Designed by Mitsubishi
Better flowing
Direct bolt on system
Flex Pipe in both front section as well as in the normal place at the back

There are just a few of the reasons lol