I've had quite a few people recommend this Nulon Long-Term Engine Treatment to me. Just wanted to get a few opinions or testimonials from people that have used/heard about this stuff.
Got a 2000 KH Xi with a little over 100,000KM, always used synthetic oil in it so would this be beneficial at all?

Cheers!

http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Engine_Treatments/Long_Term_Engine_Treatment/

I have always used Wynns on all my cars and many of my customers cars

I have had many report back to me post a service that they can feel that the motor feels smoother as well as fuel consumption has dropped.

Nulon is fine also, personally I have not used Nulon much but then again I know many who have.

Is there any benefit in adding an additive if everything still feels ok? And it doesnt burn much oil? My fuel consumption is a little high, about 13.5L/100km but that might have something to do with my right foot.

Ive been contemplating using one of these for sometime now.

Most oil makers will argue that their oils are perfectly balanced packages of additives and adding aftermarket treatments will unbalance their oils. If you are using good quality oil and changing it regularly, an oil treatment should not be needed. On the other hand, adding an after market treatment shouldn't do any harm, so feel free to experiment.

Also, the 3.5L engines in the Magna are known to last a long time with normal servicing. Most likely the rest of the car will wear out long before the engine starts giving problems.

Nulon E30 contains PTFE, an oil treatment that has been around for eons. One thing that concerns me, is the instructions say you need to "shake the bottle" before adding it to the engine. WTF? Does the stuff settle out? What is to stop it from sinking to the bottom of the sump when the engine is off if that is the case? lol

In the end, it's your money so feel free to try it.

Max you are probably right about it settling, simply shaking the bottle ensures the entire contents are emptied into the oil and do not stay in bottle as residue. I suspect the oil pickup inside the sump will swirl it around enough to make its way into the oil galeries and beyond.

I believe in using decent oils before an additive too.

http://www.1expired.com/ptfe-car-protection.html

worth a read

"In a statement issued about ten years ago, DuPont’s Fluoropolymers
Division Product Specialists, J.F. Imbalzano said “Teflon is not useful
as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion
engines”. DuPont even threatened legal action against anyone who used
the name “Teflon” on any product destined for use in an internal
combustion engine and refused to sell its PTFE powders to any one
who intended to use them for such purposes. After a flurry of lawsuits
from oil additive makers, claiming DuPont could not prove that PTFE
was harmful to engines, DuPont was forced to once again begin selling
their PTFE to the additive producers."

Teflon based products are not used in this workshop as they will come out of solution and can cause a lot of damage. The Aviation industry banned all PTFE additives many many years ago due to small aircraft engines seizing and the teflon was to blame

The Wynns has none of this, I go also by their track record, back in the 80's they did the ultimate test, Drove a Commodore which had been treated with no oil in it, when the motor was pulled down the result was amazing

This shows the companies history and also documents many tests done

http://www.wynns.net/wynnshistory.aspx

Yep. Forget any additive with PTFE in it.

Mobil 1 fully synthetic oil has been used from day one with this car. Its replaced every 3 months, OR, 5,000KM, with a new filter too. Never uses, or leaks a drop of oil, and I average around 10ltrs-11ltrs per 100KM. Might give this Wynns stuff a try, though.

Thanks for the input!
Cheers.

If you have been putting in a fully synthetic oil every 5000km since new, you are wasting your time using additives.

Mobil 1 fully synthetic oil has been used from day one with this car. Its replaced every 3 months, OR, 5,000KM, with a new filter too. Never uses, or leaks a drop of oil, and I average around 10ltrs-11ltrs per 100KM. Might give this Wynns stuff a try, though.

Thanks for the input!
Cheers.

Woohoo! You sure like playing it safe! And it must be costing you a fortune!
You can easily double that time and distance for an oil change with Mobil one, with a filter change every second oil change.

Don't bother with additives if you are using Mobil 1. I bet if you continue like that and strip the engine down at 300,000 Km you will still be able to see the factory hone marks on the bores.

I use Penrite Syn 5 in my cars, still I use the Wynns additive and would not do without it

I used Nulon Oil Treatment after the rebuild on my old corolla, as does the fella who bought it and she ticked over 160,000ks about a month ago and when we took the head off her a few weeks ago she still looked brand spanking new!

SuFz :ninja:

Just to reinforce the looking after your engine bit - my 98 TF has just ticked over 550,000 kms. It's been serviced every 5000 kms since new, using Castrol GTx2 15w-40 each time. No additives until recently - she's using a bit of oil nowadays, so I've started using that stop leak stuff. Still uses oil, so am unsure of how much it is actually doing.

Might look at moving to this (http://www.nulon.com.au/products/Engine_Oils/20W-50_High_Kilometre_Engine_Oil/) oil next service to see if that helps ease the oil consumption.

Woohoo! You sure like playing it safe! And it must be costing you a fortune!
You can easily double that time and distance for an oil change with Mobil one, with a filter change every second oil change.

Don't bother with additives if you are using Mobil 1. I bet if you continue like that and strip the engine down at 300,000 Km you will still be able to see the factory hone marks on the bores.

Yeah, I really like the car, so I want the best quality products used in it, no matter the cost. So its a no for additives?

What about fuel additives? Many people get good experiences with them?
Not that octane boosting stuff, just like injector cleaner, does it actually do any cleaning / have any benefits.

Yeah, I really like the car, so I want the best quality products used in it, no matter the cost. So its a no for additives?

Well, you can listed to varied "ideas" from single experiences or you can listen to people like myself who have serviced more Magna's than most on here have had hot meals

Do you really think that I would use these products, especially in my own cars, if they were a waste of money. Have a read of the Wynns site, see what it does and make up you own mind.

As for the 550k old Magna using a little oil, stop leak is not a solution to leaks and burning. All it is designed to do is soften seals a little to try and swell them up a little. It used to work well with the older "dog turd" style rear main seals but will generally not work with rubber seals that have hardened. There is nothing you can do with a motor with that many miles on it, I am surprised with Castrol Oil that it has made it that far. This is one of the rare cases I woudl suggest a thicker oil but only slightly. Try a good long flush, use HPR20 or of you are game HPR30 with some of the treatment and you may find your oil consumption has reduced

What about fuel additives? Many people get good experiences with them?
Not that octane boosting stuff, just like injector cleaner, does it actually do any cleaning / have any benefits.

I always use Shell V-POWER RON98; I know using higher octane fuel has no performance benefits to my car, but because it has more additives in it, which I think injector cleaner is one.

So which oil additives should I use, then?

Cheers!

i agree Mal, the work shop i used to work at used wynns additives, in every car, and we worked on 50-60 cars aday with never a problem

i agree Mal, the work shop i used to work at used wynns additives, in every car, and we worked on 50-60 cars aday with never a problem

In my case, then, which additives sound I be using?

My SV21 Camry did over 20 years/300,000k on good ol' plain Castrol GTX3 with regular 5000k changes before I sold it.


Well, you can listed to varied "ideas" from single experiences

Sorry, but I take offence to that.

I don't pretend to know as much about Magnas as you, and I'm sure that's not the intention of other posters on this forum.

I have, however, gained my "ideas" from more than single experiences - including working in hangars on aviation piston engines for years. While I probably haven't done as many oil changes as you, I'm fairly sure I've sliced up and inspected a hell of a lot more oil filters - and I stand by my comments that I think any reasonable quality oil changed regularly on a 100,000k Magna is all it needs. If others disagree, that's fine with me :)

I think everyone values your opinion extremely highly, especially from a fault finding point of view, but others can and do have valid opinions.

To MYKHVERADA, I do know the additives certainly won't do any harm. A few people say they've used Wynn's, so if you want to give one a go, try that and let us know how it goes!

I use Penrite Syn 5 in my cars, still I use the Wynns additive and would not do without it

Mal what wynns additive do you use specifically? I would like to try something like this with my KH too

In my case, then, which additives sound I be using?

Not sure if you have read ANY of the above comments, it will be something that is up to you

Do the research, chacek the Nulon and the Wynns site. A couple have said they use the Wynns and have been happy, personally I have used Wynns since 1988 in every car I have ever owned and without exception.

If you want a direct answer to the question, use Wynns flush prior to the oil change and friction proofing post the oil change


Sorry, but I take offence to that.

I don't pretend to know as much about Magnas as you, and I'm sure that's not the intention of other posters on this forum.

I have, however, gained my "ideas" from more than single experiences - including working in hangars on aviation piston engines for years. While I probably haven't done as many oil changes as you, I'm fairly sure I've sliced up and inspected a hell of a lot more oil filters - and I stand by my comments that I think any reasonable quality oil changed regularly on a 100,000k Magna is all it needs. If others disagree, that's fine with me :)

I think everyone values your opinion extremely highly, especially from a fault finding point of view, but others can and do have valid opinions.

To MYKHVERADA, I do know the additives certainly won't do any harm. A few people say they've used Wynn's, so if you want to give one a go, try that and let us know how it goes!

So why would you be so precious to take offense at a single comment. If you have so much life experience etc then this comment does not apply to you in any way. You work on aircraft engines, something you have let a few of us know in the past in no uncertain terms, but we are talking Magna's and from when I used to fly at Parafield I dont recall the 152 I flew as having a 6G74 engine stuck up front.

Yes, a car serviced properly, as you state, will go many many k's with just decent oil in it and regular changes. In the case of the OP he does over service the motor given that he is using full synth oil but does it hurt to spend a few $$ and make 100% sure that if something does happen down the line that the motor has protection.

As for chopping open Oil filters, I really am struggling to see what that comment really has to do with anything. Yes the best way to get an idea of what is going on inside a motor is to look to see what the filter has captured but lets be a little realistic here, a good condition low mileage motor, there is no reason to go fault finding. Unlike an aeroplane, a car can pull over when there is an engine failure :)

FYI - The cessna 152 ran a Lycoming engine, carburetor-equipped, featured dual magneto ignition and has a displacement of 233 cubic inches (3.82 L) that made about 86 kW at 2800 rpm. Air cooled pushrod flat 4 cylinder.

So, nothing like a Magna engine - more like an old volkswagen - except the displacement similar to the 380 engine. lol Strange but true. lol

They had some reliability problems

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/28/1043534057190.html

"Theories are varied and all pin blame on different players - but all parties agree that both engines failed before the aircraft crashed. An Australian Transport Safety Bureau report found that the port engine had a broken crankshaft while the starboard engine had a thumb-sized hole in one piston.

. . . . that excessively lean fuel caused the build-up of lead-oxybromide on piston heads and ultimately shut down one engine.

. . . . . the other engine's crankshaft shattered without warning very late into the flight. Expert metallurgist Dr Graham Powell told the inquest the crankshaft failed because it had oxide inclusions 25 times larger than the standard."

I think I would rather have a Magna engine in there! When is the last time a Magna broke a crank, or burnt a hole in a piston through lean mixture?

Anyhow, it is common practice when servicing these engines to cut open the old oil filter, to see how much metal the engine is shedding. Plus periodic rebuilding and testing of parts.

I wonder what oil and oil additives are used in these engines?

MYKH, are you going to give something a go and report back on the results? Probably should do a regular oil change first and then a few weeks later put in the additive. If you do them both at the same time, it will be hard to tell whether improvements are the result of the oil change or the additive.

Well time to revive this old thread. I kind of forgot about doing this! But anyway, I did the flush and replace with Penrite HPR10. Magically my noisy tappets on a cold start disappeared and my oil consumption/smoke blowing is nil.

amazing what a decent oil can do.

I used the wynns engine flush on mal's advice and my engine improved dramatically. No more puffs of smoke, no more oil wastage, no more problems really. Oil is the lifeblood of any engine so it should he a high priority. As far as other additives go, I use injector cleaner every second tank and a high octane fuel. My car has 219k on it and still goes strong.

Double post

Well guys just shows you need to take care of your cars with an oil change with good synthetic oil every 10,000.

i suggest this they make good products might throw some in with the oil change today see how it goes
MOS2 ANTI-FRICTION | 2781
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/products/oil-additives/

Has anybody ever used Wynns Engine Protectant? I'm curious to try it, but a bit apprehensive at the same time. Any info would be appreciated.

Cheers.

Has anybody ever used Wynns Engine Protectant? I'm curious to try it, but a bit apprehensive at the same time. Any info would be appreciated.

Cheers.

I have been using Wynns since about 1989 when I first worked in a dealership. I would only use Wynns or Nulon personally, have had great results with Wynns. My old man when he used to do Rotaries used Wynns well before that time as well, back when it was supplied in metal tins lol

As for those treatments with teflon and other suspended metals, I would steer well away from them, they used to be used in the Aviation industry years ago and were banned due the tefon coming out of suspension and blocking oil passages thus engines seize. In a piston powered plane this can not only be dangerous as you have then force land the plane in 1 peice but there were some instances where the seizure was so severe the engine was ripped off the airframe and then there was no hope of control.

While in a car you can just pull over, you still are then up for a new motor.

I think I'll listen to the expert and not put it in lol

I have been using Wynns since about 1989 when I first worked in a dealership. I would only use Wynns or Nulon personally, have had great results with Wynns. My old man when he used to do Rotaries used Wynns well before that time as well, back when it was supplied in metal tins lol

As for those treatments with teflon and other suspended metals, I would steer well away from them, they used to be used in the Aviation industry years ago and were banned due the tefon coming out of suspension and blocking oil passages thus engines seize. In a piston powered plane this can not only be dangerous as you have then force land the plane in 1 peice but there were some instances where the seizure was so severe the engine was ripped off the airframe and then there was no hope of control.

While in a car you can just pull over, you still are then up for a new motor.

The Wynns does not have Teflon or other rubbish so is perfectly safe to use, I use it all the time, I was referring to other brands

I read through this long post about the commodore and having a treatment from a Wynns additive.
It was actually the Nulon long life treatment that MYKHVERADA is referring to, it was added to a commodore. They added it in port Melb, drove it to Sydney. Dropped the oil and changed the filter, without a refill. They then drove it from Sydney back to Melbourne, upon return they stripped it and the engine was like new.
Also neither Carbon nor Tetrafluoroethylene is a metal, Carbon is neither metal or non metal and Tetrafluoroethylene is a synthetic made substance, also not containing metal.
But it has the lowest co-efficient of friction known to earth chemistry....