has anyone here have a better idle on tj magna thanks to barrys kit
i'm thinking of getting it than but need to find him first if anyone knows how to get him or if he's got shop or something,,,, and how much better is it, with the kit?:woot::woot:

To be completely honest, unlikely to help. And I don't think he's around anymore.

no no no dont sa that what can i do about this idle prob i got i'm starting to think it could be injectors bloc or something cause i'm getting bad fuel economy and is loss a bit of power or because i got a damage cat would it affect it this way :)

i would be replacing the cat first

much debate has happened about this kit, a forums search would be usefull to you however im personally under the impression this kit is a waste of money.

as for how to fix your idle problem.

1) what is the actual problem your having with your idle
2) what type of car is it
3) bad fuel econ and power loss could be a couple of things but doesnt describe a bad idle
4) if your cat is damaged FIX IT im so over hearing about people who want to fix this and that but wont fix issues they know about
5) damaged cat could lead to extra fuel usage, unsure about power loss however i would assume so also

I bought the Barry mods for the simple fact that I wanted to test them for myself. I only bought the grounding kit because he was offering it with a voltage stabilizer at the time, apart from that it's just a bunch of wires. Why pay for it when you can make them yourself?

If your keen on the voltage stabilizer I'll sell it to you for $20.

To be completely honest, unlikely to help. And I don't think he's around anymore.

Actually that is incorrect to a certain extent.

What makes you want one? Headlight dimming? Voltage Drop? Power Decrease when Subs thump? Are you even running an after market stereo?

The only reason you would add an earthing kit is if you are having issues with the flow of voltage through the car, this is normally caused by a louder than standard stereo that robs your car of voltage there for not allowing your car to run consistently well.

Quick insight: A car battery disperses the power to the components in the car, be it the alternator, starter motor or your amps via the positive terminal, the power is then returned to the battery via the grounds and the negative battery terminal. If you want to ensure you car isn't being robbed of voltage you need to ensure your earthing is up to scratch, now you COULD use a barry kit or make something yourself like it did.
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true i will get the cat out of the way this week but the car it has a rough idle but just drive at the lights you see the passenger seat shake from the rough idle but it's fine and smooth on P & N so my mechanic has no idea now cause i done spark,leads,service pretty much everything
sorry its a magna 2000 tj solara

I bought the Barry mods for the simple fact that I wanted to test them for myself. I only bought the grounding kit because he was offering it with a voltage stabilizer at the time, apart from that it's just a bunch of wires. Why pay for it when you can make them yourself?

If your keen on the voltage stabilizer I'll sell it to you for $20.

can you tell me how to do it?

can you tell me how to do it?

Get a big roll of thick wire and a handful of terminals, and make up leads of different length. Join anything together that you think should be earthed. Easy.

An earthing kit is literally just extra cables from your neg terminal to random bolts on the body and engine.

true i will get the cat out of the way this week but the car it has a rough idle but just drive at the lights you see the passenger seat shake from the rough idle but it's fine and smooth on P & N so my mechanic has no idea now cause i done spark,leads,service pretty much everything
sorry its a magna 2000 tj solara

Have the engine mounts been checked?

The only reason you would add an earthing kit is if you are having issues with the flow of voltage through the car, this is normally caused by a louder than standard stereo that robs your car of voltage there for not allowing your car to run consistently well.


Sorry man but voltage doesn't "flow", current does.

Have the engine mounts been checked?

I'm with Dave on this one, Barry kit wouldn't do anything for mechanical vibration. It most like one of your engine mount is shoot :) Barry kit is like what the audio fans do they upgrade the earth everywhere. So they can get better sound and more power from there amps.

For the love of all things decent, why does this utter crap keep on rearing its fugly head

This has been tested, a post on this very forum showed where a member did proper tests both before and after this crap waste of money kit was fitted, the difference in earthing ability of the car NOTHING

If you are running subs etc, by all means run an independant earth to the sub, can not hurt, but all this crap about any of Barry's products, you are better off getting your $100 notes and wiping oyur ass with it as the money would go to a far better use.

As I have stated before, if you are really concerned, then by all means run a few of your own wires but I still challenge this Barry to give a straight non bullshit answer on WHERE if anywhere the Magna engine or car for that matter lacks in it ability to give a good circuit to any of the electrics which will cause any issues with the vehicle running. (and provide some sort of read evedence, not just some more fictional crap)

Thats right, Barry went all quiet after the last time someone did disprove his theory.......

Sorry man but voltage doesn't "flow", current does.

Thanks for the correction, it was a honest typo.

For the love of all things decent, why does this utter crap keep on rearing its fugly head


Because it raises a valid point, whether you like the idea of Barry's earthkits or not, the fact of the matter is there are many benefits to running a factory ground upgrade kit and i know these first hand. Like i said earlier which you yourself should know is that the ability to be able a car that is not dropping voltage will benefit you with not losing power, increased vision in headlights and removing any strain on electrical components.

If you have run a decently loud aftermarket stereo you will notice that inconsistant voltage can cause your car to run a little sluggish, it can affect your revs, it will blow or damage headlight globes, upgrading the grounds correctly will prevent this as i have done 3 different grounding setups in my car and 3 different installs.

With that said if you wanna add one just for the sake of having one, i wouldn't bother but if you are going to be running a decent stereo then its a worth while investment regardless of what Mal thinks.

Edit: Oh and Mal are you saying that you have some sort of read evidence to prove that it wont help at all? If Barry went quiet after you asked him this, maybe he doesn't want to put the effort into trying to prove something to someone so stubborn? People were happy to hand over their money and try something new, and surprise surprise by what i read alot of people were happy with the kit. Ive experienced decent earthing first hand so i will just keep spruking them (not the barry kit, but earthing kits in general).

An earthing kit is literally just extra cables from your neg terminal to random bolts on the body and engine.

With emphasis on the word "random". lol Does absolutely nothing.




If you have run a decently loud aftermarket stereo you will notice that inconsistant voltage can cause your car to run a little sluggish, it can affect your revs, it will blow or damage headlight globes, upgrading the grounds correctly will prevent this as i have done 3 different grounding setups in my car and 3 different installs.



Yep, true, but the OP wants to cure a bad idle with the Barry kit. But I'm with Mal on this one, I'd like to see some empirical data (ie numbers) from Barry to show his "Bad Earthing Theory" actually exists, and some extra earthing wires actually work.

With emphasis on the word "random". lol Does absolutely nothing.

Yep, true, but the OP wants to cure a bad idle with the Barry kit. But I'm with Mal on this one, I'd like to see some empirical data (ie numbers) from Barry to show his "Bad Earthing Theory" actually exists, and some extra earthing wires actually work.

Ok well if its just a bad idle and hes not running a heavy load on the car well then no it wont help.

Do you want proof of the extra earthing helping when the car in under load from an aftermarket stereo or just stock standard? If we are talking about when its under load common sense should suffice there.

Because it raises a valid point, whether you like the idea of Barry's earthkits or not, the fact of the matter is there are many benefits to running a factory ground upgrade kit and i know these first hand. Like i said earlier which you yourself should know is that the ability to be able a car that is not dropping voltage will benefit you with not losing power, increased vision in headlights and removing any strain on electrical components.

If you have run a decently loud aftermarket stereo you will notice that inconsistant voltage can cause your car to run a little sluggish, it can affect your revs, it will blow or damage headlight globes, upgrading the grounds correctly will prevent this as i have done 3 different grounding setups in my car and 3 different installs.

With that said if you wanna add one just for the sake of having one, i wouldn't bother but if you are going to be running a decent stereo then its a worth while investment regardless of what Mal thinks.

Edit: Oh and Mal are you saying that you have some sort of read evidence to prove that it wont help at all? If Barry went quiet after you asked him this, maybe he doesn't want to put the effort into trying to prove something to someone so stubborn? People were happy to hand over their money and try something new, and surprise surprise by what i read alot of people were happy with the kit. Ive experienced decent earthing first hand so i will just keep spruking them (not the barry kit, but earthing kits in general).

This is the biggest load of bullshit I have read on here in ages, do you work for Barry or something

It is NOT only WHAT I THINK but also what ANOTHER member did when he took measurements with instruments fine enough to actually get a measurement......he found the before and after the kit was put on was so slight it did not even matter. As for engines running sluggish after a decent audio set up being put in, again bullshit. The alt will draw more thus on full audio bore you may lose a little power from the drag of the alt, at idle you may also lose a few RPM but other than that, if yo have issues, fix the issue and dont pretend to cover it up

As for stubborn, mate stick that one up your ass you idiot, many many here who have been here more than the 5 minutes you have been here have asked Barry the same question, you think I am stubborn, well good as I will always promote a product that is worth something and will also always try my hardest to show a product that is worthless like any of Barry's kits are for what they are, worthless. I hate seeing people paying for things they dont need. Try doing a simple search for Barry's previous threads where you will see many ask the simple questions and barry can not give a straight answer if he tried We are after all talking about a wanker who tried to tell the Manga community that the only earthing that the Magna had was through the Radiator Hoses, does this not tell everyone how stupid this all is?????

There is nothing wrong with running extra earthing for the subs etc but if your system was properly installed there will be no voltage fluctuations, had you read my post you would have figured that one out I would think

( deleted as i have decided im not going to get drawn into another earthing argument )

I dont work for Barry, i have tried these things myself, not his kit but my own, it works plain and simple.

As for installing something properly so there are no voltage fluctuations, that's why when you fit a higher powered system you do the Big 3 which involves a ground kit, that's a proper installation.

In one of his threads in 3 pages i found 3 people (named below) who have said they have tried it and it worked for them, and all your still doing is ranting and raving about how it cant possibly help.

temagna
NZ_Tamago
Gas_Hed

I bet i can find more people if i want. Once again im not defending the Barry kit, but earthing kits in general.

Have a read at this link below and then maybe you can pull your head out.
http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/forums/index.php/topic/562001-earthing-kit-group-buy/

Are you serious, a couple of people, from sitting in the front seat of the car, testify that they have had in improvement. It is you who needs to pull your head out of your ass buddy

I have never stated that there may not be benefit in running extra earthing to a audio system BUT there is NO BENEFIT in running earthing to a motor. That pic you supplied is just showing how much you really lack in knowledge, you have earthed to an inlet manifold that DOES **** ALL

Have you pulled your own head out for just a minute and had a look at what the earthing system of the MOTOR is, after all that is what THIS thread is all about. There is a heavy guage cable from the battery straight to the motor on the bellhousing. If this is not good enough then what the **** else can be used.

**** it guys, just up end your battery and weld the ****ing thing to the motor, after all apparently you need to waste your money on earthing kits for no reason at all........

Lmfao @ picturing battery welded to engine

He hasn't earthed the inlet manifold. If you look closely, that is a distro block with a 0ga feed back to the battery.

I'll be doing earthing upgrades myself soon. The factory system is not atiquite. Every time the bass hits I get dimming of various lights and such. If this is happening to lights - how are the isc, auto solenoids, and everything else going to react? I know injectors as fine as they have voltage compensation maps, and sensors themselves use shit-all but in theory for an auto with a non standard audio system there are benefits.

Those who think its going to help a dead stocker though. Dream on.

An interesting comment on that above linked page from FHRX...

Finally; just a quick disclaimer to the nitpickers; these earthing kits will ONLY assist if your cars existing earthing system is inadequate for the current you're attempting to flow.

Now if people can please calm down and except that a fix to one cars problem may not benefit another car at all. It all depend on how the car has been modified away from stock, what the owner is trying to achieve, what the problem or symptom is and what is causing the issue in the first place.

Appears to me we have strayed away from the OP's problem (needing improved idle) and focused on his thread title and suggested fix. ie, no longer looking to what is causing his problem and now focusing on the benefits of an earthing kit.

e.g24, from reading the responses, it appears they may be many, many other things to look at, way before an earthing kit, to fix your idle problem, so please don't think this bolt on accessory will be a fix-all solution.
If you car is stock (or relatively stock) then start looking elsewhere for the resolution to your problem - or if it does have an earthing problem, then maybe it could have a simple problem that would be easily fixed by fixing/replacing the stock earthing fittings before going for anything aftermarket.

However, if you have a large performance audio system, you may wish to investigate these earthing kits more - and it'll be up to you to determine if they are worth it or not.

Then again, I know very little mechanically, just what I pick up between heated member exchanges. :doubt:
They do look pretty though. lol

He hasn't earthed the inlet manifold. If you look closely, that is a distro block with a 0ga feed back to the battery.

I'll be doing earthing upgrades myself soon. The factory system is not atiquite. Every time the bass hits I get dimming of various lights and such. If this is happening to lights - how are the isc, auto solenoids, and everything else going to react? I know injectors as fine as they have voltage compensation maps, and sensors themselves use shit-all but in theory for an auto with a non standard audio system there are benefits.

Those who think its going to help a dead stocker though. Dream on.

A capacitor would be a good band-aid solution for dimmng of the lights on sub hits, also a better battery or 2 batteries would be a better option. The grounding would have to be terrible to cause this problem by itself. It is also important to remember that a single earth connection can only take so much, large amps and such therefore should have their own independant ground connection.

Also, I might have to do some investigating into this snake oil ... I mean earthing kit! After spending the last few years building tube amplifiers and dealing with all the snake oil in that hobby/passion I think I should get into the automotive snake oil business.

I will rewire you car with %99.99 silver wire, non RoHS solder and everything! Will improve power by 5Kw and fuel economy by 25%!! because your spark plugs can tell the difference! Electricity isn't made equal you know!

A capacitor would be a good band-aid solution for dimmng of the lights on sub hits, also a better battery or 2 batteries would be a better option. The grounding would have to be terrible to cause this problem by itself. It is also important to remember that a single earth connection can only take so much, large amps and such therefore should have their own independant ground connection.

Also, I might have to do some investigating into this snake oil ... I mean earthing kit! After spending the last few years building tube amplifiers and dealing with all the snake oil in that hobby/passion I think I should get into the automotive snake oil business.

I will rewire you car with %99.99 silver wire, non RoHS solder and everything! Will improve power by 5Kw and fuel economy by 25%!! because your spark plugs can tell the difference! Electricity isn't made equal you know!

:hmm: thanks everyone but i'm going to some other mech to check mounts and just asking,,,good mech in sydney ,,,who knows about magnas well??
sick of mech acting dum :nuts:

Does it magically stop that slight dimming of your interior/dash lights as the indicator clicks on and off?

does extra earthings help? yes it does in some situations

i have installed a few extra earth leads into my wagon, so far i have done between the engine and firewall and the engine and inner gaurd......

i have also piggybacked my alternator charge cable with a crimped, soldered and heatshrinked 6 B&S cabling.....

i will be installing a earth 4 B&S cable between neg battery post and body and neg battery post and engine, why you may ask?

cause i will be installing a optima red top AGM in my engine bay hooked up to a matson vsr then connected to dual 100amp/hour remco batteries......
which in turn will power the following
37L engel fridge (which will be running 24 hours a day)
1000watt pure sinewave inverter
36 watts of combined fluro lighting in cargo area
35W HID LIGHTFORCE 210H GENESIS HID DRIVING LIGHTS

at the end of the day my costs have been

$27 alternator upgrade wire
$1,199 37L engel fridge
$463 1000watt pure sinewave inverter
$117 cargo area lighting
$749 HID LIGHTFORCE 210H GENESIS HID DRIVING LIGHTS
$700 remco agm batteries ($350 each)

grand total so far off $3,255, yes this has been spent on a ts magna, why? cause i take my fishing serious and the magna is used as a fishing cart

waiting delivery of red top optima

at the end of the day i buy right buy once, and i need the extra earthing due to having dual batteries.

i may get flamed but i don't really care cause at the end of the day it's my car, my money and i work hard so i play hard

end of rant

bear,
You have to post up some pics of this car when all that is installed. :pray:
After a while a lot of Magna's start to look the same, so some variety is good to see. It'd be great to see this TS Fishing Cart. :woot:

bear,
You have to post up some pics of this car when all that is installed. :pray:
After a while a lot of Magna's start to look the same, so some variety is good to see. It'd be great to see this TS Fishing Cart. :woot:

will definitely put up pictures, what the best and easiest and free photo hosting website to use?

still in the process of laying the main power wire from the battery to a distribution power block behind the passenger side head light , i am a fussy bugger so some times routing wire takes a bit to i am satisfied LOL

will also be starting enquires about a bigger output alternator soon

will definitely put up pictures, what the best and easiest and free photo hosting website to use?

still in the process of laying the main power wire from the battery to a distribution power block behind the passenger side head light , i am a fussy bugger so some times routing wire takes a bit to i am satisfied LOL

will also be starting enquires about a bigger output alternator soon

Especially of the Lightforce in night shots as have heard great raps for them.

will definitely put up pictures, what the best and easiest and free photo hosting website to use?...photobucket or imageshack

cheers GRDPuck, a photobucket account has been created.....

once work has been completed, i will take pictures and post them up in my build thread.....

has anyone here have a better idle on tj magna thanks to barrys kit
i'm thinking of getting it than but need to find him first if anyone knows how to get him or if he's got shop or something,,,, and how much better is it, with the kit?:woot::woot:
Hi eg24

The earthing kit does make a difference to the idle - I have had smooth idle down to 600rpm
I will post up answers to your question in following posts as time permits

Barry

Oh for crying out loud Barry, your snake oil "earthing" kits DO NOT change idle, it is impossible for them to do so. THE EARTHING ON A MAGNA IS FINE provided it is clean

Why waste money with your crap when a simple clean of earthing points will be more than sufficient. You have had years to "explain" these kits despite others showing you real scope results of how uselsess these "kits are" so please drop this crap, stop trying to sell your crap on these forums. You only rear your head when you want to promote your rubbish, how about makeing contributions to other parts of the forums and leave this snake oil to die where it belongs

For the std Magna or even modded magna which DOES NOT have subs, amps etc etc, there is no benefit. Mits covered the grounding of these cars very well to start with. I guess your next products will be electric turbo's, headlight fluid top ups and an earthing kit for your flux capacitor

Well, another little AMC conumdrum.....
Are they Good, are they a waste of time.

You all might want to read this article (http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/tech-conversions/7493-earthing-kits-myths-truths-modem-size-warning.html)written by Martin Donnon. Whos he.

Martin is known as one of Australia's top automotive tuners, with background work for such companies as Jaguar and Peugeot. Martin then went on to create and found products with names like Fueltronics EFI tuning and the temperature Wide Band Lambda meter and tuning tools.

Not only does Martin hold vast knowledge in automotive tuning, he has also been behind some of Australia's best turbocharger kit development programs for both Holden and Ford, as well as becoming a HP Tuners accredited Holden/Ford software beta tester.

Martin Donnan has been recognised as one of the most knowledgeable Holden tuners around, sharing his passion recently by becoming a technical editor for several aftermarket motoring magazine titles.


Now I can see what both you fella's are trying to do, Barry's made a mod (very affordable) that gets you a better earth if your system is degraded to a point where the running of your car and transmissions changes are affected.

And Madmagna is has been very busy trying to debunk his kit.
I think you should start putting your energy into writing a 'how to' clean and maintain your factory earths, as thats where the problem lies after all.

We all know paying a mechanic to do this would be more expensive than buying barry's kit, and that comes with DIY instructions, and IIRC a money back promise.

I upgraded my earths for the stereo (almost 2Kw output) and with the left over included the trans and block, Glad I did too. But that was with left over material (free).

I don't see the problem with Barry's kits, let him be. If you think that they are unecessary, write a 'how to' on how to avoid buying one.
Putting Earth Kits in the 'snake oil' catergory does little for your reputation. Just about all dragsters/Race use earth kits, but none of the other things you mentioned.
Some credible members here swear by them, one or two didn't get a gain any benefits. And I've still not read any discussion here about about reducing internal corrosion, actually, I don't want to.

Some links for reading.
Ralliart 1 (http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/ralliatartearharticle1-1.jpg) 2 (http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/ralliarteartharticle3-3.jpg) 3 (http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/ralliarteartharticle2-2.jpg) ( these used a stabiliser as well so is only partially relative)
The original and best Barry Mods (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51692&p=753559&viewfull=1#post753559)Thread.

Ok
First of all lets get away from head units, amps and subs, this "earthing" kit has nothing to do with these

YOu want a DIY, well then grab a bloody spanner, undo the 3 main earth's off your engine bay, one is on the bell housing, one on the manifold to the fire wall and one under the front airfilter box to the chassis, clean them, put them back on and hey presto, you have clean earths

As for the other crap he peddals, it is not worth pissing on. Why the **** did Mitsubishi do everyting in their power to cool the fuel in the engine bay then for this ass clown to then heat it up, oh thats right now I remember because he also makes these gaskets to COOL down the manifold which the FUEL RAIL is mounted to and is meant to then be heated by the now cooled down manifold, how ****ing retarded is this

You may as well go out on a 45 deg day, grab a feezer full of ice cream, put the lot on the back lawn and unplug the thing.

IF you have an issue with your car, putting an earthing kit on it WILL NOT fix jack shit. As I have stated, another member on AMC in one of the other BARRYS crap threads did the measurements of the std earthing compared to Barry's waste of time, and what do you know, the measurements taken showed almost no difference

I even wanted and asked to purchase one of these kits myself sometime back, Barry refused to answer my multiple PM's where I stated I would purhcase for the std retail price, why, because he knew that I would test this on a scope and find again no benefit at all

If you guys want to earth your motor and really still find the need, then DIY, is only a matter of a few bits of heavy cable, put a few lugs onto it and hey presto, you have an earthing kit.

From here on in I CBF continuing with this snake oil so if you guys want to get stitched up, why not just buy all of Barry's kits, they will do nothing as the few kits I have here show where people have removed them as they felt nothing. While you are at it, get an electric supercharger, a fuel polariser, some fuel line magnets and a Hyclone......

I just hate people being stitched up by these things

As for wrecking my credibility, turn it up sunshine, a "few" have seen "seat of the pants" inprovements. Are you really serious. We dont drive drag cars which are heavily modified vehicles which put out more power and have more electrical systems than any Magna will ever have. We drive ROAD CARS. There are some cars out there with rubbish earthing systems, in these cases Barry's or anyones kits may help but in Magna's, we have more than sufficient grounding to the motor.

ok

why dont we make it that barry has to show reasonble proof that his kit actually works, or be banned from selling them on the forum

maybe he could send a kit to 3 mechanical minded mods and majority vote wins weither he can sell them or not, and if it comes back that it is a rort and people still want to waste their money they can PM him for one


** hahaha hyclone - i remember those adds

I'm not sure yuo understand the point, if your earths/connections are deteriorated, then this kit will work. It's just whether you want to fix it yourself or buy the kit.
As long as barry offers a fix it or return it policy, everyone will be happy.
But instead of getting up him, provide an alternative way of renewing the connections.

If your earths are getting old and crusty, and your ecu works on tiny signal voltages, I can see in some situations where a lot of current is trying to get back to earth, the voltage might raise above 0V before the choke points and that could change some things. The factory system should be adequite for a factory car, but getting water in it and having the copper degrade over time, spilled coolant etc, grease and grime, dust and grit getting in there, it might only wear 0.05mm off the surface of the copper, but if its worn that tiny bit away from all 200 individual thin copper strands in the braid it could be reduced under load, and if it gets hot that only increases the resistance which creates more heat. Dirt/corrosion/paint in between the place the earth wire is mounted to and the wire terminator itself also bring it down.
If you think you have an earthing problem, get in there and suss it out, or get some thick cable and some crimp plugs and add them in. Or if you don't know how to work that out, buy the kit with the instructions. If you still don't know how to do that, use a spanner etc, get a mechanic to look at it.
If your cars fine, leave it I guess. Unless you want it just because you can. Personal preference.

Anybody want me lend me a third gen so I can prove or disprove the theories?

As I got a low ohm impedance tester and will tell you how good the earths say in a stock car compared to a sound comp car or Barry's mods installed on a car.

It a like a multimeter but way more precious and it what I use to check electrical installs to see if they pass :) It shouldn't harm your car electrical system. And might prove once and for all which is better :P

As I'm over AMC fighting over nothing as per normal lol

lol "shouldn't"
Its not the 4kv tester is it?

One thing I could never, and still can't, explain about Barry's earthing kit.. It comes with a strap to earth your rear head to the front head... Now when I connected this it arced (pretty decent zap) and was then fine.. It makes no sense!!

Extra earths sorted out my real slow shifts when cornering very quickly. You're welcome to hang out of my bonnet with a MM, Sparky, while I nail it through the righthander @ the Tilley Rd/ Mount Gravatt-Capalaba Rd roundabout.

Now, its also great to see Madmagna showed us how to renew the earth connections, and show his disbeleifs.

Its also good to see the results noted by users of the kit from experienced users, notably from the first page of the original thread.

So there are people its worked for, and the ppl who it didn't work for, and some who just reckon its hocus pocus, now that there is alternative way to fix it, let it be. I'm sure Barry's after sales support won't leave you stranded. I'm sure we could all take a leaf from his book on that one,hey.....

I sell hocus pocus cables at work too, which there is always a shit fight over, and more disbeleivers than beleivers, but the guy who had the Humming sub for five years, now beleives, despite him saying the cables in the box should have been enough.

Good business is not slagging off the other guy, its about explaining the benefits of using your business....And giving good support.... Hey Sparky.

Because it raises a valid point, whether you like the idea of Barry's earthkits or not, the fact of the matter is there are many benefits to running a factory ground upgrade kit and i know these first hand. Like i said earlier which you yourself should know is that the ability to be able a car that is not dropping voltage will benefit you with not losing power, increased vision in headlights and removing any strain on electrical components.

If you have run a decently loud aftermarket stereo you will notice that inconsistant voltage can cause your car to run a little sluggish, it can affect your revs, it will blow or damage headlight globes, upgrading the grounds correctly will prevent this as i have done 3 different grounding setups in my car and 3 different installs.

With that said if you wanna add one just for the sake of having one, i wouldn't bother but if you are going to be running a decent stereo then its a worth while investment regardless of what Mal thinks.

Edit: Oh and Mal are you saying that you have some sort of read evidence to prove that it wont help at all? If Barry went quiet after you asked him this, maybe he doesn't want to put the effort into trying to prove something to someone so stubborn? People were happy to hand over their money and try something new, and surprise surprise by what i read alot of people were happy with the kit. Ive experienced decent earthing first hand so i will just keep spruking them (not the barry kit, but earthing kits in general).

Hi PeaandHam
Thanks for your intelligent posts and good understanding of the issues involved
cheers, Barry

I bought the Barry mods for the simple fact that I wanted to test them for myself. I only bought the grounding kit because he was offering it with a voltage stabilizer at the time, apart from that it's just a bunch of wires. Why pay for it when you can make them yourself?

If your keen on the voltage stabilizer I'll sell it to you for $20.

Hi Woob
You only bought my grounding kit because it had a free v stab ?
It's just a bunch of wires? Oh Woob, I feel crushed, used and abused somehow
I don't know if I will ever be able to trust an AMC member again!

!t's OK - I've just had a good cry and everything is good now

Maybe the members might like to know how the bloody thing performed !!

Get a big roll of thick wire and a handful of terminals, and make up leads of different length. Join anything together that you think should be earthed. Easy.

Yeh, and I bet she'll be right, mate, no worries

Hi Woob
You only bought my grounding kit because it had a free v stab ?
It's just a bunch of wires? Oh Woob, I feel crushed, used and abused somehow
I don't know if I will ever be able to trust an AMC member again!

!t's OK - I've just had a good cry and everything is good now

Maybe the members might like to know how the bloody thing performed !!

Lol hate to see a man broken :P at the end of the day is literally is just a bunch of wires. You've merely taken the hard work out of making the wires up and selecting ideal grounding positions. I'm not saying there's a problem here, it's a great option for those less inclined to go out and do it themselves, i however was fascinated by the concept of buffering the ground onon an electrical system. I was happy to pay for the chance to experiment and came to my own conclusions. :)

(ps any idea why the grounding strap would have arced when it bridged the 2 engine blocks? I remember you saying something about its importance when I bought it but I can't for the life of me remember what it was!)

Anybody want me lend me a third gen so I can prove or disprove the theories?


Just use your second gen.
Try getting a thick earth cable, connect it to the battery negative, then with everything on and the engine running, measure the voltage difference between your thick cable end and every earth point you can find. A readable voltage difference at any point means the earth at that point needs a clean and tighten. Easy as.

Yeh, and I bet she'll be right, mate, no worries

Please expand on this statement.
At the same time, you may want to enlighten us on your academic qualifications, field experience in automotive engineering, and independently validated test and repeatable results from the improvement your earthing kit achieves?

Madmax I will be doing it as I might need to reground the gearbox :/ But yep things to think about next week, when im on holidays :D

Just use your second gen.
Try getting a thick earth cable, connect it to the battery negative, then with everything on and the engine running, measure the voltage difference between your thick cable end and every earth point you can find. A readable voltage difference at any point means the earth at that point needs a clean and tighten. Easy as.

OMG ! I don't believe this is really happening
Can anybody post up who knows where MadMax has made a gigantic blunder?

OMG ! I don't believe this is really happening
Can anybody post up who knows where MadMax has made a gigantic blunder?

Sorta volt drop will be minimal compared to resistive measurement. But meh, no big deal Barry.

Sorta volt drop will be minimal compared to resistive measurement. But meh, no big deal Barry.

Nope, try again

around and around we go
check out tech section page,s 28 35 48
321 post,s in six years 90% defending the crap he sale,s
what do,es that say

Nope, try again

Can't be arsed lol

You need to check what the earth point is attached to, not the point itself? The earth point may need a clean, tighten, and a replace if its a damaged cable?

OMG ! I don't believe this is really happening
Can anybody post up who knows where MadMax has made a gigantic blunder?

He got out of bed this morning and turned his 'puter on? lol

He got out of bed this morning and turned his 'puter on? lol

Sorry, still no correct answer
I will wait until 10 genuine posts have been received and then post the correct answer

Cheers, Barry

Ok, thanks Barry. I knew you would come through and help me out with my mega mistake.

Cheers, Maxxy

I could be wrong here as electrical systems have never been my forte to diagnose faults.. But if I'm checking for grounding issues, I tend to get a base voltage between the 2 terminals, then test +VE to random positions on the car, if I find a difference from the base voltage, I know there is a grounding issue at that point.

I remember testing a previous car and found a large difference quite close to my thermostat, on clean metal, which I rectified because I didn't know if there would be an adverse effect to having a voltage run through coolant, like corrosion or something.

One of my current cars has a 1v volt drop to the interior light which is driving me mental as I can't resolve it :/

jebbus admins just lock this already as all other "barry" threads have been done in the past

unless this kit can be either proven or disproven why carry on arguing about its use.... buy it / dont buy

@ barry maybe actually supplying mal with the kit to test as he wanted oh so long ago would help your case, if your so confident it works converting mal would be the biggest business advert you could hope for ( if it works )

Sorry, still no correct answer
I will wait until 10 genuine posts have been received and then post the correct answer


Cheers, Barry
still no answer to madmagna,s questions in five years off earthing kits
i can only guess why

thanks for the useless reply magnaman, youve made your opinion of the kit known why post a smart arse comment thats gets noone anywhere or makes any real headway

personally if barry is so confident it works, i would like to see him supply a kit to mal ( how much is a kit maybe i can purchase one / chip in to purchase one) to be delivered to mal to just get this crap settled once and for all

seriously if their dearer than my 5th kid due in jan wallet can afford have we got anyone else willing to chip in a few dollars into the amc account to get one purchased for proper testing ONLY IF mal is willing to do the testing....

like i said if it works barry should have no problem supplying one to mal who is a respected mechanic to test but if dollars are his concern i think we need to chip in and get this crap sorted

Sorry, still no correct answer
I will wait until 10 genuine posts have been received and then post the correct answer

Cheers, Barry
well 95ts i guess the above barry post is usfull.

deleted

wont bother reply again however will follow up to see if barry takes the :prove it: challange or to see if people are keen to donate extra intop amc to buy mal a kit to test

Grounding kit testimonial:

(from http://www.350zmotoring.com/forums/modifications-technical/24025-z-xtreme-6-wire-grounding-kit-my-experience.html)

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"First and foremost, I must comment on the awesome experience I had with Z-xtreme.com. Gyula Szita is a very wonderful person to deal with. He goes out of his way to make sure you're 100% satisfied. I don't think I've met anyone who is more business savvy than him. Kudos to Mr. Szita for not only a great product, but great customer service as well.

Now down to the nitty gritty. I've read many posts on the grounding kit and what it's supposed to do. You know, the increased HP & Torque, enhanced efficiency, better starts, smoother idling, more responsive throttle, etc. On top of that, I just recently decided to make an effort to cosmetically enhance my engine bay. So I fire up an e-mail over to Mr. Szita with a couple questions about the kit, the differences between the # of wires, etc. He responded very promptly and even tossed in an extra 6th wire because I was so interested in it. How is that for customer satisfaction?

I immediately placed my order after receiving the e-mail and first thing Monday, he shipped the package to me via FedEx. I had an issue with the tracking number, but it just ended up I was too impatient and checked too early. FedEx gave me the delivery date of Thursday, March 17. I got it the very next day (today).

I rip open the box to examine the contents and had a grin on my face the minute I saw them. In addition, Mr. Szita gave me a special gift. In the box were 6 deep blue (matches DB color almost exactly) professionally made wires. When I say professionally, they are a work of art in their own right. He even numbered the wires for me so I could easily identify them per the directions. The directions were very clear and understandable.

I drove home but it was already about 7:30 PM and already dark. Too impatient to wait, I bust out my flashlight & tools and get to work. The estimated installation time is about 1 hour. It took me until 9:30 PM to get it all done. It's not that the directions were difficult, they were right on the money. The problem was that I kept dropping things in my engine bay. This was my first attempt at a DIY on a car. Right at the beginning, I dropped my wrench near my fluid containers. Too lazy to get it out at the time, I grabbed another wrench. I dropped that one too! Thinking I can get to the wrenches by pulling out the coolant container, I find several more pipes/wires in my way. I had to eventually pull the wheel well off to get to them. Over the course of the night, I lost 3 wrenches in my engine bay, spilled coolant (from removing the container), nearly stripped one of the holes on my plenum, lost a chrome bolt cap, & lost a 10mm bolt. I never recovered the bolt or the bolt cap. Hopefully they will just fall out. I rinsed the spilled coolant with water.

While I pack my things up, I start my car but I don't really pay attention. So the claim of having a stronger/faster start went unchecked. I came back to my car and didn't really notice a smoother idle when I got in it. I planned on running over to Wal-Mart to buy some distilled water & coolant. The increased HP/torque is a claim I can't really check because I never dyno'd my car. However, I decided to test the claim of a more responsive throttle. I decided to take a highway to test it. I shifted through the entire RPM band up to redline up until the start of the 5th gear. You can call my claims subjective, but what I felt was a smoother/more responsive throttle (which is what I hoped). I had to stop my tests when I saw police lights behind me. I checked my speedometer and it showed 90-ish.

Regardless of if these grounding kit does all the things it claims, I know one thing for sure. The engine bay just looks a lot nicer & I cannot stress enough about how good these cables look. I think one thing is for sure, even if there is zero increase in performance, the cables' appearance alone was worth the price."

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In other words, to sum up:
(1) A grounding kit looks cool when you lift the bonnet.
(2) It makes you drop tools and lose nuts and bolts while installing it.
(3) It makes you do 90 (MPH) and attract the police while testing it.


Another quote - a manufacturer's claims this time!

http://www.groundingkits.co.uk/
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Benefits of installation include:-
increased hp*
increased torque*
improved fuel efficiency
stabilised idle
brighter lights
quicker engine starts
reduced emissions
reduced audio noise
better protection from potential engine damage from poor ECU outputs

*This always creates a lot of debate - the generally accepted theory is that installation of an earthing kit can restore lost power/torque, where the loss is due to inefficient earthing, due to age, wear & tear etc. You might not realise your car is running short on power because of an earthing issue, but when a grounding kit fixes this you'll notice.
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Note: the above website offers no factual proof to substantiate the claims.

As this is (supposedly) a free country, make up your own mind. Just remember to add up the price of the individual parts if you DIY, and compare it to the sticker price on the ready made kit! lol You can't blame Barry from climbing on the earthing kit bandwagon, there is a lot of profit to be made selling these.

Could some nice moderator close this thread so we can all get on with something a bit more useful and intelligent?

Supplying a kit to Mal would be useless, a tester needs to be impartial.

The first posts in the original thread, should be enough.

Mitsubishi sell an improved grounding kit for the v6 outlander. Its in the accessories brochure. Why dont they just sell it like that from factory

Thats due to people adding driving lights, UHF and fridges My Pajero had a earthing kit on it but i took it off as it doesnt work. Not sure what Mitsu have done maybe like i said its for the goodies people put on

In a older model pre injection this would be better as most old carb cars had 3 earth points.

Supplying a kit to Mal would be useless, a tester needs to be impartial.

The first posts in the original thread, should be enough.

I was going to keep out of this dribble but are you ****ing serious. You call me all sort of things, man up and tell me to my ****ing face

IF I got one of these kits, I WOULD HAVE tested it and posted everything up on THESE forums, you say I am not impartial, then **** you.

You assholes out there wonder about my attitude, then read posts like those above.

This kit is crap, Barry is too worried about being shown up for the wanker he is so refused to supply me with one of these kits. REMEMBER that these tests were also done BY SOMEONE ELSE HERE ON THE FORUMS but seems a few of you are too blind from the time you have spent with you ****ing hands on your cocks and cant read this or understand

Some of you think that this kit did wonders to your car, you disconnected the battery when you fitted it most likely and this would have reset the ECU etc, wonder why the car felt different???? One comment, "my car was laggy in the trans when cornering hard" ffs, is your car so powerful that all the electrons were pushed to one side of the car when cornering and the "barry's" kit were able to hold on the those poor electrons. Other things, you would have moved the battery terminal plus many other things, one of these connections may have made a differnce. All of these "experiences" are simply a person sitting in a car and being surprised.

The only part of the motor itself that relies on any form of grounding is the coolant temp sensor and the spark plugs (not includling electric motors etc), all other sensors have their own earth from various parts of the car or the loom. Just clean what you have. Earthing kits are generally made, as stated above, where other things are added and then you wish to take the load off. The standard earthing arrangement on any Magna third gen is more than sufficient. Tests have shown this time and time over. I have seen one of these "kits" and even replciated this to and extent myself so I could get some definate readings, there was no change at all. Ever looked at a magna motor, the heads are earthed through the block, through the inlet manifold and then joined by things like the lower manifold, dust plate above the water pump, coolant cross over pipe. There is that much metal contact htere it is stupid to even think that every one of these parts can not be working

Thank you, you have proven my point.

OMFG!!!

Is this thread STILL GOING?

Do people still ignore the simple truth (that has been stated repeatedly) and expect a few (expensive) wires to sort out all their (automotive) troubles? Dream on! No wonder Flux capacitors and Brock polarizers are on your christmas wish lists!

Anyhow, Mal (and I) have more productive things to do! So . . . . I'M IS SIGNING OUT FROM THIS (childish) THREAD. Close it someone! Pleez! I'm in pain!

Ima add an earthing kit to my testes so I give better and longer lasting sex!

Ima add an earthing kit to my testes so I give better and longer lasting sex!

What, you want to go for a full minute rather than your usual 25 seconds? lol

Take a chill pill or carry a box of ****ing tissues **** me ive never been on a car forum that carry' s on like backstabbing womens forum. Simple fact they don't work like mal said.
My Pajero had one installed when i bought it, so i removed it as it was messy and water from bush bashing started making it going green like copper does, but people who sell the kit simply say its helping the wiring system to stop wiring burnouts and better protection from potential engine damage from poor ECU outputs.

they state it improves performance, fuel consumption, better spark i call bullshit waste of money just like the fuel saver device. if your subs are draining your battery or dipping the power from your lights then u simply havent earth the amps out correctly.

Merry ****ing xmas.

What, you want to go for a full minute rather than your usual 25 seconds? lol

Mmm, 25 seconds is pushing it. Especially if I'm waking up for it, then it's like POW *back to sleep*

it's like POW *back to sleep*

Haha well played.

Just use your second gen.
Try getting a thick earth cable, connect it to the battery negative, then with everything on and the engine running, measure the voltage difference between your thick cable end and every earth point you can find. A readable voltage difference at any point means the earth at that point needs a clean and tighten. Easy as.

Looks like I had better give the solution before somebody blows a fuse

Solution Part 1

NO, you cannot "just use your second Gen"

There's nothing wrong with a 2Gen so fitting any kit to it will show no improvement

The fault/s are in the V6 TJ on , so that is the car you must use

Now you will have an excuse to buy that 3rd Gen you've always wanted

Cheers, Barry

Whats the fault?

Extra earths sorted out my real slow shifts when cornering very quickly. You're welcome to hang out of my bonnet with a MM, Sparky, while I nail it through the righthander @ the Tilley Rd/ Mount Gravatt-Capalaba Rd roundabout.

Now, its also great to see Madmagna showed us how to renew the earth connections, and show his disbeleifs.

Its also good to see the results noted by users of the kit from experienced users, notably from the first page of the original thread.

So there are people its worked for, and the ppl who it didn't work for, and some who just reckon its hocus pocus, now that there is alternative way to fix it, let it be. I'm sure Barry's after sales support won't leave you stranded. I'm sure we could all take a leaf from his book on that one,hey.....

I sell hocus pocus cables at work too, which there is always a shit fight over, and more disbeleivers than beleivers, but the guy who had the Humming sub for five years, now beleives, despite him saying the cables in the box should have been enough.

Good business is not slagging off the other guy, its about explaining the benefits of using your business....And giving good support.... Hey Sparky.

Thanks too, Shoot for giving good information

Cheers, Barry

Looks like I had better give the solution before somebody blows a fuse

Solution Part 1

NO, you cannot "just use your second Gen"

There's nothing wrong with a 2Gen so fitting any kit to it will show no improvement

The fault/s are in the V6 TJ on , so that is the car you must use

Now you will have an excuse to buy that 3rd Gen you've always wanted

Cheers, Barry

I don't want to buy a third gen :D I like my forklift motor powered magna but good to know there aren't any faults in the way it been built. But I will check it out for just in case.

Personal, if I lost my TRouble I don't know what to do. So it ain't going any time soon.

I don't want to buy a third gen :D I like my forklift motor powered magna but good to know there aren't any faults in the way it been built. But I will check it out for just in case.

Personal, if I lost my TRouble I don't know what to do. So it ain't going any time soon.

Yes, I know how you feel
I had a TR 2.6L 5 Speed and it drove and handled better IMO than a 3.5l, and that was without a kit

The fault/s are in the V6 TJ on , so that is the car you must use

So what changed in the model and there after? Was something removed after the TE/TH?

So what changed in the model and there after? Was something removed after the TE/TH?

There were some changes, but remember most of the work I did was on V6 that required specially efficient earthing to overcome problems from fitting hi-flow air filters and sports mufflers

Barry, agian you fail to provide any specific information, no different to when I was asking you questions via PM and you did not answer a single question with a direct answer or for that matter with an answer that even came close to being relevant to the questions at hand.

ROFLMAO, the difference was in the TJ onwards.....THE EARTHING SYSTEM ON THE TJ WAS IDENTICAL TO THE TE TO TH so there IS NOT DIFFERNCE.

You have an earth running from the battery to the bellhousing bold located just above the starter
You have an earth running from the battery terminal to the chassis just forward of the trans mount, agian IDENTICAL to the TE, TF, TH
You have an earth running from the upper manifold to the fire wall, now this did change IN THE LATER TL models, was a thicker cable and was mounted to the lh mounting bolt for the bracket of the throttle cable.

now from memory as for additional grounding points, I may miss a few so dont shoot me
Under dash, one on lhs and one on rhs for main loom.
RHS side loom, has one under the seat towards the RHS of the vehicle, has another up near the parcel shelf
LHS side loom, one near rear parcel shelf and another in the boot near the antenna
Engine loom, has multiple groundings rearward of the ECU
ABS (incorperated in the TL with the engine loom) has one up ont he scuttle above the ABS module and another bolted to the lower ABS module bracket

You will notice also that ALL of these bolts are zinc coated bolts, they have a burred thread and are marked with an E to show that these are specific bolts.

So, in summary, there is no difference in a TJ's earthing points.

For the record, initially I was looking at purchasing one of these kits not so much to test but to use on one of my own cars as I knew that the particular car had some issues. Was not so much with earthing but other issues which I thought that this may assist. I asked Barry some specific questions as to where these points mounted, what he had found the benefits to be, what actual tests he had done (with readings etc). All I got was about a page and a half of garble which did not even come close to answering anything. Barry, you would make a good polititian

Mitsubishi sell an improved grounding kit for the v6 outlander. Its in the accessories brochure. Why dont they just sell it like that from factory

There will be some people who think the vehicle they are test driving is quite OK the way it is - sales people will see it as an opportunity to increase their commission

OK, sussed it out. Lazy electrons!

To quote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=26367889

"I remember long time ago reading in an audio buffs magazine about audio speaker cables and how over time the electrons inside get lazy, and the sound quality no longer is what it used to be when the cables were brand new.

(of course no one but the the real sound experts would hear any difference. ordinary people were not skilled enuff to make any judgement whatsoever.)

the solution that was suggested to cure the lazy electrons was a device that gave the electrons a jolt of electricity, and flushed out the lazy electrons and replaced them with fresh ones. the procedure had to be repeated at specific intervals, to keep the quality of the sound at superior levels.

In the same magazine I was reading many advertisements about different brands of really advanced and quite expensive speaker cables. many of them had a water jacket, that is they basically consisted of a speaker cable inside a tube filled with some liquid.

when reading the finer print with contact information etc I concluded that these very expensive speaker cables were manufactured in mom's kitchen by some entrepeneaurs that had figure out a way of fitting a speaker cable into a water hose, filling it with some liquid and making the assembly water tight enough so they could be shipped to customers.
I have always wondered how many people bought these special made cables."

Obviously, in their haste to cut costs with the TJ Magna and later models, Mitsubishi Australia imported some cheap, second rate (possibly Chinese, or Taiwanese) electrons to fill their cars up with. As you will know, the battery pushes the electrons out the negative terminal, and around the car, and they end up back at the battery positive terminal after they have done their job. The wires in the car are filled with electrons at the factory before the battery is installed. As they used the lazy type of electrons, extra earthing wires are needed to help these lazy electrons find their way back to the battery! So Bazza is right after all! Send me a kit, Barry, I have a TJ suffering from lazy electrons!

around and around we go
check out tech section page,s 28 35 48
321 post,s in six years 90% defending the crap he sale,s
what do,es that say

No idea, what did YOU say?

One thing I could never, and still can't, explain about Barry's earthing kit.. It comes with a strap to earth your rear head to the front head... Now when I connected this it arced (pretty decent zap) and was then fine.. It makes no sense!!

Solution Part 2

OK Mal - here we go - let's solve this perrenial thorn in our sides - what is happening here ?

Solution Part 2

OK Mal - here we go - let's solve this perrenial thorn in our sides - what is happening here ?

It was being worked on by emperor palpatine


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCaf3n3n86U

OK, so here is fair dinkum question, seeing the the earth on a running car is the alternator, and the alternator is hinged, and locking on an arm, I am sure that after a belt change or two, a bit of oil, a fair amount of road grime, The engines ability to earth through the hinge and Stay arm, to the casing of the alternator, would be comprimised. Surely cleaning these would also be part of renewing the engines earth system... Or am I dreaming?

And regarding the systems earth, Why? since all the +ve signals and spark is sent through copper wire, why is that that the earth that it depends on, is not copper, but a mixture of cast blocks, alloys, gaskets, lubricants and grime? (More resistive Materials)

I think MMAL should recall all Magna cars TJ and newer and install free earthing kits. After all, Barry couldn't be wrong, could he?

Get a big roll of thick wire and a handful of terminals, and make up leads of different length. Join anything together that you think should be earthed. Easy.

Wow - that does sound easy - would it be a good idea to number the leads as well - could I use my lotto numbers for this ?................................................. ..........

You should not give this risky info in this way - you could cause engine damage or personal injury

Still wanna know my engine block was holding a charge :/

(should I mention at this point that my car was a TE?)

i did a bit of reading on this a guy over at toyomods said its great for a car 20 years older or a car that has had its engine modified and thats about it.

everyone going on about rubber mounts, gaskets and stuff but it is BOLTED together with METAL BOLTS not rubber not wooden bolt so aslong as the earth strap is in great condition it should be fine, if your car starts to miss check your earth strap simple.

Still wanna know my engine block was holding a charge :/

(should I mention at this point that my car was a TE?)

Woob

Sorry, but we're still waiting on Mal to show up to get this thing sorted

Wow - that does sound easy - would it be a good idea to number the leads as well - could I use my lotto numbers for this ?................................................. ..........

You should not give this risky info in this way - you could cause engine damage or personal injury

Yep, use your lotto numbers - whatever floats your boat.

Risky? Engine damage? Personal injury? Pleez explain!

OK, sussed it out. Lazy electrons!

To quote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=26367889

"I remember long time ago reading in an audio buffs magazine about audio speaker cables and how over time the electrons inside get lazy, and the sound quality no longer is what it used to be when the cables were brand new.

(of course no one but the the real sound experts would hear any difference. ordinary people were not skilled enuff to make any judgement whatsoever.)

the solution that was suggested to cure the lazy electrons was a device that gave the electrons a jolt of electricity, and flushed out the lazy electrons and replaced them with fresh ones. the procedure had to be repeated at specific intervals, to keep the quality of the sound at superior levels.

In the same magazine I was reading many advertisements about different brands of really advanced and quite expensive speaker cables. many of them had a water jacket, that is they basically consisted of a speaker cable inside a tube filled with some liquid.

when reading the finer print with contact information etc I concluded that these very expensive speaker cables were manufactured in mom's kitchen by some entrepeneaurs that had figure out a way of fitting a speaker cable into a water hose, filling it with some liquid and making the assembly water tight enough so they could be shipped to customers.
I have always wondered how many people bought these special made cables."

Obviously, in their haste to cut costs with the TJ Magna and later models, Mitsubishi Australia imported some cheap, second rate (possibly Chinese, or Taiwanese) electrons to fill their cars up with. As you will know, the battery pushes the electrons out the negative terminal, and around the car, and they end up back at the battery positive terminal after they have done their job. The wires in the car are filled with electrons at the factory before the battery is installed. As they used the lazy type of electrons, extra earthing wires are needed to help these lazy electrons find their way back to the battery! So Bazza is right after all! Send me a kit, Barry, I have a TJ suffering from lazy electrons!

This is one of the funniest things I have ever read, this is in OlFart league.

Also, personal damage from hooking up earth straps to a motor, aside from a skun knuckle what the hell could you do to kill yourself here???? Do I gether that as the Barry's kit is from Barry that it is not possible to skun a knuckle when doing up a bolt on this one as well?????

As for arcing between heads, this is strange, I have tested 11 cars I have here and there is nothing at all measureable between the heads in so far as resistance goes, are you sure you did not have 1 of the wires from this earthing kit resting on something with power going to it by mistake

Yeah, guilty as charged, guys! I wrote that, then deleted it.

Why did I delete it?

Well, Barry comes on here on an irregular basis, and stirs things up. The young and gullible are confused by his claims, the older and wiser get annoyed at the pseudo-science and his inability to provide solid facts.

In my opinion - and I realized this only after I wrote the post - Barry gets a great thrill out of this.

Remembering a wise old internet saying, "Don't feed the trolls", I deleted it.

Sorry Barry, but you are acting like a troll and should stay well away from this forum.

I could never gaurantee that the wire wasn't touching a positive wire somewhere but after the original arc it never showed any sign of charge again, it has me totally stumped.

Also be adding an earth to a component that has a charge.. You are effectively dispersing the charge to everything else in the system yes? Not a good thing one would think.

Grounding kit 1 (http://www.groundingkits.co.uk/frequently_asked_questions.htm)
Toymods Myth (http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/tech-conversions/7493-earthing-kits-myths-truths-modem-size-warning.html)
Mazda Sp23 (http://www.ozmazda.com/board/index.php/topic/2965-engine-bay-earthing-kit-for-sp23/)
Toyota Kit (http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php/topic/6936-diy-earth-kit/)

Someone is right and someone is wrong like i said i had one on my Pajero after removing it i didn't notice any difference but the last one in the toyota forums they are adding earthing kit on top of factory earths??

I got this! Long time "Barry thread" lurker, first time poster.

Here's my take on this - in an effort to settle it once and for all;

Take one standard Magna; start removing the standard engine bay earth points until we see an example of the issues Barry claims are fixed by adding an earth kit. Detailing the effects on the car as each point is disconnected.

So, if the positive gains from this kit are smoother running and quick gear changes in the auto, we will see the reverse as earth points are removed. If removing every engine bay earth yields no negative effect or changes to the car then we can assume an earthing kit is unnecessary. Am I right?

If disconnecting earth points shows exaggerated examples of issues Barry highlights then maybe, MAYBE, there's some truth to it? Enough evidence to pursue further research - purchasing a kit and detailing the results.... in a scientific and unbiased manner for all of us to understand. Then posting the results in a well communicated way (some pie charts and sh!t)

I'm only suggesting this because there seems to be a lot of disagreement amongst the electrical geniuses in the discussion. It will also provide a tangible result for those of us (like me) who consider electricity to be white man magic. Plus, it could save purchasing a kit to measure an unmeasurable quantity (smoother idles etc).

Great theory but doesn't really work that way. Mitsubishi has the earth cables where they are because are required, they would have designed the system with only relevant earth points, so yes if you start removing them, then problems will definitely arrive.

The only thing I can see that Mitsubishi could have possibly overlooked (and it does happen, no impossible) is that one of the engine banks (I assume the rear) has little electrical contact to everything else... It may even have a leak from the distributor connected to it.. And results in having a ground loop that is neutralized by further grounding it. It's the only thing I can think of that would explain the arc in my case.

It actually seems completely possible.. I'll be interested to see how you respond to this post Barry.

I got this! Long time "Barry thread" lurker, first time poster.

Here's my take on this - in an effort to settle it once and for all;

Take one standard Magna; start removing the standard engine bay earth points until we see an example of the issues Barry claims are fixed by adding an earth kit. Detailing the effects on the car as each point is disconnected.

So, if the positive gains from this kit are smoother running and quick gear changes in the auto, we will see the reverse as earth points are removed. If removing every engine bay earth yields no negative effect or changes to the car then we can assume an earthing kit is unnecessary. Am I right?

If disconnecting earth points shows exaggerated examples of issues Barry highlights then maybe, MAYBE, there's some truth to it? Enough evidence to pursue further research - purchasing a kit and detailing the results.... in a scientific and unbiased manner for all of us to understand. Then posting the results in a well communicated way (some pie charts and sh!t)

I'm only suggesting this because there seems to be a lot of disagreement amongst the electrical geniuses in the discussion. It will also provide a tangible result for those of us (like me) who consider electricity to be white man magic. Plus, it could save purchasing a kit to measure an unmeasurable quantity (smoother idles etc).

HI Skapper - I like your sentiment - it could be suitable for some applications, but in the case of a TJ V6 you could encounter non-linear factors that make the changes read out of all proportion

I got this! Long time "Barry thread" lurker, first time poster.

Here's my take on this - in an effort to settle it once and for all;

Take one standard Magna; start removing the standard engine bay earth points until we see an example of the issues Barry claims are fixed by adding an earth kit. Detailing the effects on the car as each point is disconnected.

So, if the positive gains from this kit are smoother running and quick gear changes in the auto, we will see the reverse as earth points are removed. If removing every engine bay earth yields no negative effect or changes to the car then we can assume an earthing kit is unnecessary. Am I right?

If disconnecting earth points shows exaggerated examples of issues Barry highlights then maybe, MAYBE, there's some truth to it? Enough evidence to pursue further research - purchasing a kit and detailing the results.... in a scientific and unbiased manner for all of us to understand. Then posting the results in a well communicated way (some pie charts and sh!t)

I'm only suggesting this because there seems to be a lot of disagreement amongst the electrical geniuses in the discussion. It will also provide a tangible result for those of us (like me) who consider electricity to be white man magic. Plus, it could save purchasing a kit to measure an unmeasurable quantity (smoother idles etc).

HI Skapper - I like your sentiment - it could be suitable for some applications, but in the case of a TJ V6 you could encounter non-linear factors that make the changes read out of all proportion

Barry, for the last time. The grounding on a tj is the same as a te tf the so please stop with your poor knowledge of magnas on these forums. As max stated just leave once and for all

Great theory but doesn't really work that way. Mitsubishi has the earth cables where they are because are required, they would have designed the system with only relevant earth points, so yes if you start removing them, then problems will definitely arrive.

The only thing I can see that Mitsubishi could have possibly overlooked (and it does happen, no impossible) is that one of the engine banks (I assume the rear) has little electrical contact to everything else... It may even have a leak from the distributor connected to it.. And results in having a ground loop that is neutralized by further grounding it. It's the only thing I can think of that would explain the arc in my case.

It actually seems completely possible.. I'll be interested to see how you respond to this post Barry.
Hi Woob
You are just about there now, just try to simplify it (I think you may be trying to impress your g'friend)

I thought id explained it in a fairly caveman approach personally?

To be honest mate these games you are playing are doing nothing for your credibility. Sorry to be blunt but it really goes feel like you are feeding off other peoples responses to create your own responses to resolve unanswerable issues... Much like the guys on tv that feed off audience reactions to create bullshit about dead relatives speaking to them :S

May I?

The Lightning bolt that hit the Magna caused a gigowat overload which scrambled the time circuits, activated the flux capacitor, and sent me back to 1885. The overload shorted out the time circuits and destroyed the flying circuits. Unfortunately the car will never fly again.

May I?

The Lightning bolt that hit the Magna caused a gigowat overload which scrambled the time circuits, activated the flux capacitor, and sent me back to 1885. The overload shorted out the time circuits and destroyed the flying circuits. Unfortunately the car will never fly again.

lol lol lol

I thought id explained it in a fairly caveman approach personally?

To be honest mate these games you are playing are doing nothing for your credibility. Sorry to be blunt but it really goes feel like you are feeding off other peoples responses to create your own responses to resolve unanswerable issues... Much like the guys on tv that feed off audience reactions to create bullshit about dead relatives speaking to them :S

Hi Woob
Sorry I forgot to add the lol - it was getting late by the time i finished

I'm just giving members who have busy lives a chance to be part of the solution

Can you imagine if that glaring mistake regarding the miss-use of the Gen2 had gotten through un-noticed, there would have been ill-founded arguments until ...God knows when

Now we can rule out that & all the errors that flow from it

Also, I think I deserve a little R&R after all the hours I have used up in trying to help members, some of whom are well intentioned and unfortunatly, some not

Cheers, Barry

Sounds like all this time you have spent "trying to help members" has been a scam. Helping members would be posting up what would help, not making them buy your crack pot ideas.

I wasted a whole night with my car in pieces at work with a milliohm meter, and insulation tester, various oscilliscopes and my multimeter. First off, continunity between the front and rear heads is perfect, infact the whole motor has perfect continunity between the sump, block, heads and the intake. This includes the distributor housing.
I can safely say introducing additional earthing to the motor yielded no changes in the scopes on CAM, CAS, RPM, IGN signals at idle. Even with my sound system (500W 4ch amp powering 4 300w speakers, amp earthed to boot, with no additional earth from the battery to the frame) fully cranked... nothing.

Sorry, I call snake oil on this earthing crap.

Personally, I'd like to see Barry prove that the Current flow of the AWG 2 earth strap to the motor is enough to show stray voltage between any part of the car and the motor.

If there is stray voltage, you could just use cheap 2.5mm cable to earth it out.

You people need to understand the basics of ANYTHING before you start making claims or fiddling with the car.

May I?

The Lightning bolt that hit the Magna caused a gigowat overload which scrambled the time circuits, activated the flux capacitor, and sent me back to 1885. The overload shorted out the time circuits and destroyed the flying circuits. Unfortunately the car will never fly again.

thats why you need one of these earthing kits.

Well.... Savage just provided the most convincing and definitive proof for me to say that the earthing kit provides no benefit.

I'll put my arcing heads down to a damaged cable or something else logical.

If I can find out how to interface the scope meter to a computer I can go screen dump crazy, nothing takes serial connections anymore.

I'll also maintain I'm using a hybrid pajero/380/sprintex thing, BUT I'm using all the standard earths still.

Why am I even writing here - he'll reply with some head in the clouds answer.

If people want to improve the electrical system, do the big 3. [/thread]

I wasted a whole night with my car in pieces at work with a milliohm meter, and insulation tester, various oscilliscopes and my multimeter. First off, continunity between the front and rear heads is perfect, infact the whole motor has perfect continunity between the sump, block, heads and the intake. This includes the distributor housing.
I can safely say introducing additional earthing to the motor yielded no changes in the scopes on CAM, CAS, RPM, IGN signals at idle. Even with my sound system (500W 4ch amp powering 4 300w speakers, amp earthed to boot, with no additional earth from the battery to the frame) fully cranked... nothing.

Sorry, I call snake oil on this earthing crap.

Hi Savage

1 Mistake

You will find that using a multi-meter is almost useless in this application

Better result from using A test light (the Globe type, not LED)

Getting “perfect” readings over the whole engine should have rung some bells for you


Now when you put the earth link on, and start the motor, it should run better than before

You may have to run it for 200Km in order for the computer to regain it’s settings, since it has been

running in poor tune for most of it’s life (insufficient earthing

Now you won’t have as much oiling up as before, hopefully saving you money in the long run

Cheers, Barry

Holy shit... I think Barry may be the greatest troll to ever use the Internet.

Bahahahaha, multimeter useless?

Just admit you're full of shit and earthing kits are useless to any car without a big sound system.

Lmao Barry, you are the Christopher Skase of AMC...

A multimeter would show any stray voltage not being earthed by the strap on the motor.

Lmao Barry, you are the Christopher Skase of AMC...

A multimeter would show any stray voltage not being earthed by the strap on the motor.

Only way any of this is going to help is with a DECENT audio system or HIGH amp drain accessories. Still FUNNY to read :D

Out of curiosity what is he slugging poor people for this rubbish?

Hi Savage

1 Mistake

You will find that using a multi-meter is almost useless in this application

Better result from using A test light (the Globe type, not LED)

Getting “perfect” readings over the whole engine should have rung some bells for you


Now when you put the earth link on, and start the motor, it should run better than before

You may have to run it for 200Km in order for the computer to regain it’s settings, since it has been

running in poor tune for most of it’s life (insufficient earthing

Now you won’t have as much oiling up as before, hopefully saving you money in the long run

Cheers, Barry

A test light is better than multimeter?

That is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard.

If there was ever any doubt, you've just cleared it up for everyone: You are a con artist.

I recommend that the administrators/moderators of this forum ban you to protect the more gullible members of this forum.

I really think that Barry has made his money off amc, and is now trolling the hell out of everyone because it's so easy.

There's no way he's enough of a dumb shit to say a test light is in any way whatsoever more accurate than a multimeter, it's the first troll comment that IMO is obvious enough to leave no doubt that he is either trolling or a moron. (the whole post does actually) Either way he has no value on this forum whatsoever any more.

(Take note that I have been impartial up to this point. It takes quite a bit for me to get to the point of saying someone deserves to be banned.)

I really think that Barry has made his money off amc, and is now trolling the hell out of everyone because it's so easy.

There's no way he's enough of a dumb shit to say a test light is in any way whatsoever more accurate than a multimeter, it's the first troll comment that IMO is obvious enough to leave no doubt that he is either trolling or a moron. (the whole post does actually) Either way he has no value on this forum whatsoever any more.

(Take note that I have been impartial up to this point. It takes quite a bit for me to get to the point of saying someone deserves to be banned.)

i too have been pondering this....

Bye bye Barry

You clearly don't have anything to contribute to amc and you are spamming as an advertiser