View Full Version : 18" or 19" - What do you run?
CPU Mitch
18-12-2011, 07:36 PM
Looking into wheels for my J. But just searching everyone's opinion on what they run.
In the past, I was thinking a nice set of 18's would do the trick - but I see cars here running 20's and even lower suspension than mine. So 19's are now on the cards, given that they can be fitted without modification. (I have 30mm kings installed).
So whats size, width, and profile does everyone run?
Mitch.
I'm running 18x7.5 235/40/R18 +40, no clearance issues at all (coilovers tucking at the back, superlow fronts) and tyre prices are excellent. Tyres for 19s would be $120 more PER corner.
SH00T
18-12-2011, 07:46 PM
18's here too. Not sure why though, all the guys run bigger up this way, maybe its the comfort factor, but mine look bigger than what they are....
grelise
18-12-2011, 07:54 PM
I have 19's but am thinking going back down to 18's, reason more tyre choice when it comes to correct load rated tyres.
LawlMagna
18-12-2011, 08:10 PM
19's need mods to side flares as far as i know.
GRDPuck
18-12-2011, 08:35 PM
I have 19's but am thinking going back down to 18's, reason more tyre choice when it comes to correct load rated tyres.:yeahthat: Exactly!
I'm running 19's with 245/35/19 tyres with Ralliart height suspension.
Only time I've scrapped the wheel arch flare (probably one of the metal clips) on the driver's side rear was just slightly - over a bump with people in the back. Otherwise, I've had no problems.
But if I had to choose rims again, I'd go for 18's just to get rid of the tyre issue - finding reasonably priced tyres with the correct load rating.
Red Valdez
18-12-2011, 08:41 PM
I don't believe there are any 19" tyre sizes that are legal and correctly load rated for Magnas - or if they are, they're as rare as hens teeth. The closest load rated tyres I could find was a set of 245/40/19s, but I think they're too big for most Magnas - plus you're more likely to run into fitment problems. Much easier to go for 18s or 20s.
Regardless of whether you go for 18s or 19s, you may need modifications to the guards and/or the suspension to fit. The width of both the rim and tyre and the rim offset are much more likely to cause you grief with fitment than the rim diameter. I can vouch for this from personal experience, as I've had some dramas getting my 18x8" rims to fit properly.
grelise
18-12-2011, 08:47 PM
I don't believe there are any 19" tyre sizes that are legal and correctly load rated for Magnas - or if they are, they're as rare as hens teeth. The closest load rated tyres I could find was a set of 245/40/19s, but I think they're too big for most Magnas - plus you're more likely to run into fitment problems. Much easier to go for 18s or 20s.
Regardless of whether you go for 18s or 19s, you may need modifications to the guards and/or the suspension to fit. The width of both the rim and tyre and the rim offset are much more likely to cause you grief with fitment than the rim diameter. I can vouch for this from personal experience, as I've had some dramas getting my 18x8" rims to fit properly.
Correct load rated 19" tyres are out there, just hellishly expensive.
For me, 20's are too big for Magnas, 19's are just right in size, just tyre issues are the problem.
GRDPuck
18-12-2011, 09:18 PM
yeah, I found a few 19's with correct load rating but they were the super-dooper-wiz-bang-high-performance style tyres that needed a lottery ticket win to afford.
I did find (and buy) these... Altenzo, sports comforter - Load rating of 97.
They are not a mainstream name brand, but so far they've been a good tyre with enough grip/handling for me and they were only $215 per corner.
CPU Mitch
19-12-2011, 04:25 PM
+ 1 to all!
Lots of valuable feedback and info there. Ive been trying to scab a set of 19's just to run around the block in to find this out for myself, but havent came across anyone with the 5/114.3 stud pattern yet. But got plenty of input here so im confident i wouldnt need to now. Still have 10k left in my current 15's steelies so its just for future referencing.
But by the sounds of things - its 18's all the way. 19's fill the guards but tyres are exxy when you have found the correct load rating. As mentioned I originally had 18's planned - it seemed logical to have some sidewall on the tyre.
Given that you had a zero offset, whats the widest one would run on a set of 18's? Would 245 pushing the friendship a bit?
Just want to read up on this before I make a purchase and run into problems.
8 wide 235/40 is your best bet for price and clearance.
Annese
19-12-2011, 04:38 PM
yeah, I found a few 19's with correct load rating but they were the super-dooper-wiz-bang-high-performance style tyres that needed a lottery ticket win to afford.
I did find (and buy) these... Altenzo, sports comforter - Load rating of 97.
They are not a mainstream name brand, but so far they've been a good tyre with enough grip/handling for me and they were only $215 per corner.
Ditto, I ran these on my VR-X with the 19s and they are great for the money. Made by PDW (as in PDW Wheels)...
HaydenVRX
19-12-2011, 04:39 PM
19's need mods to side flares as far as i know.
Que???????
7HVEN
19-12-2011, 05:07 PM
I have no issues with my 18 x 8 Advanti Snypers, running 235/40 Bridgestones, although suspension is std VRX.
I like the wider 8 inch rims as they fill the guards better. Would like to lower it but easy to live with as it is.
CPU Mitch
19-12-2011, 05:50 PM
Yeah getting wider rubber was my main reason for opting the 19's. Only have the low 30mm and not the superlow - when I go for a punt I already bottom out.
HaydenVRX
19-12-2011, 06:06 PM
Yeah getting wider rubber was my main reason for opting the 19's. Only have the low 30mm and not the superlow - when I go for a punt I already bottom out.
what does wide rubber have to do with 19s??? this is so confusing lol
RoGuE_StreaK
19-12-2011, 06:29 PM
19's fill the guardsAll tyres should fill the guards exactly the same, no matter if they're 22's or 14's. If not, your rolling diameter's screwed, and so's your speedo. Only the size of the shiny metal filling should change.
CPU Mitch
19-12-2011, 06:54 PM
@ Hayden - Im only looking into different options to get maximum rubber on the road. Whether it was 18's or 19's. You still havent told us what you rubber you run....
@ Rogue - Well aware of that. Its the perception of the size of tyre that you run that can be decieveing sometimes. As above, what do you run?
magnaforce
19-12-2011, 09:30 PM
I run 7.5in wide 18's 38 offset with 235/40 rubber with enough clearence either side of rim to take 245's (speedo will be out approx 2km with 245's though) & even though ive heard of people saying 245's on 7.5 rim is too wide I had 225's on my Tf sports which had 6in wide rim for years with great results
Blazin'
20-12-2011, 06:06 AM
Yep, I'm running 18x8's with lovell superlows front and rear with 245/40 rubber. Offset is +38 (IIRC). No scraping problems for me!
danny86
20-12-2011, 06:12 AM
I was also running 18X8 on king spring lows only scrubbing I got was from poor shocks and those dam mud flaps.. Lol
Boost King
20-12-2011, 06:59 AM
I'm running stock suspension on my TJ VR-X.
Wheels are 18 inch running a P235/45 tyre.
Offset is +35.
All 4 wheels scrape the flares over big bumps or if the car has 4 people in it. Rears are not that bad, but fronts are terrible.
Seems you have 2 choices, like I did. First choice, keep suspension stock, which I did and its fine (unless I have 4 people in the car). Second option is to lower the car, trim the flares and they should be fine. Depends if you want to chop the flares, and stick them with some product onto your cars body. Some have done this and done it well. For me personally, that wasn't an option.
I was going to go 19's but found out pretty quick that tyres were mega expensive and load rating seemed to be an issue. !8's are ok in tyre price and load ratings are correct generally.
So after all that research I did, decided to just get a different set of 18's down the track that I like and will consider getting a second set of flares (2nd hand) that I can butcher and keep my originals at home. HEnce why I need to be carefull not to superglue the flare to the guards. :)
Hope this assists.
Oh for reference, my other TJ advance, has 17's on it, no flares, lowered and runs a 235/45 tyre or 225/45 cant remember and no scraping issues at all, wheels are from memory a 38 offset, hence why they are under guards, and car has been loaded up with luggage and has had the ass sitting on the floor with no rubbing issues at all.
HaydenVRX
20-12-2011, 12:39 PM
going to have alot more metal under my guards soon :D
Red Valdez
20-12-2011, 02:45 PM
Given that you had a zero offset, whats the widest one would run on a set of 18's? Would 245 pushing the friendship a bit?
I imagine 245s would be do-able, but you would need to increase the amount of negative camber (on both the front and rear) to ensure they fit under the guards. I have 18x8 +38 rims with 235/40/18 tyres on King Lows and they're not a straight fit.
The fronts fit fine, but require additional camber. I run -1° each side, and the top of the tyres more or less sit flush with the guard (no flares). With 0° camber, they noticeably protrude from the front guards. Fitting lowered springs is likely to increase your negative camber (mine was around -1° each side, but there was some variance I wanted removed which is why I installed the kit) so you may not need a camber kit. I would check the print-out from your last wheel alignment - if you're closer to 0° than -1°, I'd definitely be budgeting on a camber kit.
I've had some troubles with the rear. I had the guards rolled as a precaution. I later installed a camber kit to decrease the amount of camber (it was around -2° after lowering). I ran around -1° which was well and good on my old tyres (Maxxis MA-Z1s). I switched to a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 3s (in the same size) last week and they're rubbing slightly on the guard (even though they're rolled). I'm going to see if I can get the guard rolled a little more. I could increase the camber, but at $300 a tyre, I'd rather leave that as a last resort.
Even though their fitment is a little iffy, they look shit-hot on the car.
CPU Mitch
20-12-2011, 03:03 PM
I'm running stock suspension on my TJ VR-X.
Wheels are 18 inch running a P235/45 tyre.
Offset is +35.
All 4 wheels scrape the flares over big bumps or if the car has 4 people in it. Rears are not that bad, but fronts are terrible.
Seems you have 2 choices, like I did. First choice, keep suspension stock, which I did and its fine (unless I have 4 people in the car). Second option is to lower the car, trim the flares and they should be fine. Depends if you want to chop the flares, and stick them with some product onto your cars body. Some have done this and done it well. For me personally, that wasn't an option.
I was going to go 19's but found out pretty quick that tyres were mega expensive and load rating seemed to be an issue. !8's are ok in tyre price and load ratings are correct generally.
So after all that research I did, decided to just get a different set of 18's down the track that I like and will consider getting a second set of flares (2nd hand) that I can butcher and keep my originals at home. HEnce why I need to be carefull not to superglue the flare to the guards. :)
Hope this assists.
Oh for reference, my other TJ advance, has 17's on it, no flares, lowered and runs a 235/45 tyre or 225/45 cant remember and no scraping issues at all, wheels are from memory a 38 offset, hence why they are under guards, and car has been loaded up with luggage and has had the ass sitting on the floor with no rubbing issues at all.
+1 Boost King!! Ohhh yeah that has helped heaps....Im writing that down lol!
Dont have any flares to worry about fortunatley, so if I can get away with 245's that the plan. Only have the 30mm drop so given that I have a similar offset (around the 38mm mark) sounds like it would work fine.
Lol only just removed the mudflaps - I already have them scraping under hard cornering.
Grunde
21-12-2011, 12:18 PM
I got 235/35/19's on mine they just fit, but look pretty good, but i would rather a set of 18's as tyres are a little cheaper. i get a little tyre rubbing but im getting use to it.
Boost +35 offset is way too much, not only will you have issues with flares, I damaged front guards with +36 and 90mm drop.
Boost King
21-12-2011, 01:16 PM
Boost +35 offset is way too much, not only will you have issues with flares, I damaged front guards with +36 and 90mm drop.
Hence why the car is sitting at stock height, :)
My wheels are an 18 x 8 and have a 235/45 ZR 18 95W tyre on them.
They are inside the guards, see pics.
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/685/p1120393.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3987/pic12ss.jpg
As you can see from the first pic, the issue is more so with the fronts that sit that bit further out. The wheels need to come in 10 mil, which to me means, get another 18 x 8, but instead of +35, get a +45, the difference is 10 mil and inwards, meaning the wheels will get more sunken in so to speak. Does this make sense?
Might get away with a +40 and some camber.
Then again, there are other members with the exact same wheel size/offset and guess what they dont rub, so go figure? Its really a strange one.
Its when the car travels on the suspension, the top of wheels hit the flares dead on hence the issue and thats right now with stock suspension. Not even lowered, could you imagine then.
I am considering getting a second set of white flares that I can butcher and make em fit, without busting up a great set that I have. Even with them trimmed, I still think my fronts are just too big, hence why might also combine it all with a new set of wheels down the track.
Red Valdez
24-12-2011, 04:40 PM
Might get away with a +40 and some camber.
Have a read of my posts above. I run the exact same wheel and tyre combination as you (but with +38 offset). With -1 deg camber, the top of the tyres sit inside the guard (just).
Then again, there are other members with the exact same wheel size/offset and guess what they dont rub, so go figure? Its really a strange one.
I think they fit because fitting lowered springs will often alter your camber settings.
I was running nearly -1 deg camber on the front just by having lowered springs (no camber kit). On the back, it was -1.5 deg on one side and -2 deg on the other. No clearance issues with 18x8" rims at all.
However, if you happened to be running the factory camber settings (~0 deg on the front, ~0.50 minutes on the back) there's no way they'd fit.
Mr_Roberto
24-12-2011, 06:21 PM
I'm running 18"x8" speedy adrenerlin rims with 235/40's on the rear and 245/40's on the front, rims have a +38mm offset
Car is sitting low on coilovers aswell
If your going to lower the car a fair amount then only go for the 235's with a whiteline rear camber kit to get most of the negative camber out (I went from -3 degrees to -1 with the kit fitted)
If you go for the 245's with the +38mm offset you will find that the tyres will sit flush with the guards so if you lower it have fun smashing the guards lol
Tho saying that I didnt have any problems running 245's all around on a kings superlow/low combo
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