So here is my predicament. I need to find a set of rims that will comfortably fit K Sport 356mm brakes. Before anyone jumps the gun and starts shouting 20" rims, I'm going to be different 18" or 19" max with no dish, preferably in a 5 spoke design so that people can see the hardware. If you know any rims that will clear these brakes by all means post a link to their website.

http://www.wheelspecialists.com/img/cross_section_illus.gif
Alternatively if anyone can give me the dimensions on Advanti Nova 20" rims, specifically X Factor that would go a long way in narrowing it down for me. A good format to post would be like this:

Rim:
Size:
Offset:
X Factor:

Better still if the guys with these brakes could kindly undo one of the front wheels and measure how far out the caliper sticks out from the brake surface and total diameter of brake rotor plus caliper

The type of rim would have to look something like this:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6735/gridgb.jpghttp://image.motortrend.com/f/30631637+w786+ar1/2011-ford-falcon-FPV-boss-335-GT-wheels.jpg
These rims bulge out from the mounting face to where the calipers would be, and from my understanding this is the catch point of these brakes irregardless of the size.

ROH flare are the best but finding them can be trikky

My rims should fit them... I know my 18s don't fit evo brembos but something with a bigger rotor they should fit fine due to the concave design,
...I can fit my fist easily between the spoke and my ralliart front brakes.

Ill try to grab you the measurement if Fooz doesnt beat me to it.
and from the discussion when i was first getting these brakes i was told that almost zero 18" designs will work but that it ws theoretically possible not sure how accurate this statement is though - as the ones i bought originally were labelled as being for Evo 7-9... 19s you should be ok.

The type of rim would have to look something like this:.
Falcon rims are the same offset/stud pattern as Magnas and 380s. Maybe you should see how the K-Sports compare to the FPV Brembos, and then try to find a Falcon rim that's Brembo compatible?

I wouldn't mind the design of the FPV rims. The FPV brembos should be a 4 pot design but I couldn't find the exact rotor size in their brochure or on the net, but if someone knows the dimensions of the brembos then Googling the specs should be easy

I wouldn't mind the design of the FPV rims. The FPV brembos should be a 4 pot design but I couldn't find the exact rotor size in their brochure or on the net, but if someone knows the dimensions of the brembos then Googling the specs should be easy

Some FPVs run 6 piston up front

I know for a fact these wheels fit, as a guy who helped engineer the TMR has them fitted to his TMR
http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php

I know for a fact these wheels fit, as a guy who helped engineer the TMR has them fitted to his TMR
http://www.tsw.com/alloy_wheels_nurburgring.php

That looks like a winner in terms of clearance and size, I still need to determine the x factor required for the 356mm rotors

Im running the same 370mmm rotors and 6 pot calipers as him
That looks like a winner in terms of clearance and size, I still need to determine the x factor required for the 356mm rotors

Speedy Fin RS are claimed by manufacturer to be BREMBO-compatible so I imagine they should clear the K-sports.

Speedy Fin RS are claimed by manufacturer to be BREMBO-compatible so I imagine they should clear the K-sports.

I looked at these, nice rim but they didn't do what I wanted in 20's but you might be ok.

The k-sport 8 pot calipers are bigger then brembos so wont necessarily fit a brembo friendly wheel.

It's a shame no one this side, has a set fitted to a 380. I guess I'm gonna have to take an educated gamble and get a big offset coupled with a lot of x factor for brake clearance

Can I ask why you don't just fit Brembo's instead, or do you already own a set of K-Sports? Do you specifically want/ need the larger rotors/ extra pistons?

im not sure that its that much of an issue, either that or ive been very lucky the two sets of rims ive had on my car 20x8 +35 & 20x8 +37 have both cleared the brakes easily. how much longer can you put off the decision, might be able to get those measurements you wanted on the weekend...

Can I ask why you don't just fit Brembo's instead, or do you already own a set of K-Sports? Do you specifically want/ need the larger rotors/ extra pistons?
I would fit Brembos but since most of the guys on this forum with larger brakes, do run this specific brake I thought I would tag along. I want the larger rotors but in the long run I plan to install a turbo, so my thinking is to start of small then make my way to the power mods.


im not sure that its that much of an issue, either that or ive been very lucky the two sets of rims ive had on my car 20x8 +35 & 20x8 +37 have both cleared the brakes easily. how much longer can you put off the decision, might be able to get those measurements you wanted on the weekend...
No need to try and get measurements, but thanks for the offer. I've called a few rim manufacturers and the only ones that could guarantee these brakes fitting were the Speedy Inferno 19x8.5. They claimed that the FPV 355mm Brembo brakes clear, and since I'm getting the 356mm K-Sport brakes, i'm hoping that the 1mm difference doesn't translate to huge variances

Bob Jane where I always used to go told me that nothing would fit over these brakes lol

They even refused to give me a price on the Enkei GTC01s I have now from the US coz they said they wouldn't fit lol The Enkeis still have good clearance & the Advanti Novas I had previously had masses of room.

Bob Jane where I always used to go told me that nothing would fit over these brakes lol

They even refused to give me a price on the Enkei GTC01s I have now from the US coz they said they wouldn't fit lol The Enkeis still have good clearance & the Advanti Novas I had previously had masses of room.

I went to the Bob Jane in Newcastle and the guy over there was very helpful he knew his stuff plus he had similar stories of people coming in to get rims only to come back complaining that the rims don't clear. I've seen the Advanti Nova rims on Kif380's car and I reckon that they look similar to the Infernos with regards to clearance. I was considering getting the same set of Enkei rims but I couldn't justify the $700 price tag for one rim.

I went to the Bob Jane in Newcastle and the guy over there was very helpful he knew his stuff plus he had similar stories of people coming in to get rims only to come back complaining that the rims don't clear. I've seen the Advanti Nova rims on Kif380's car and I reckon that they look similar to the Infernos with regards to clearance. I was considering getting the same set of Enkei rims but I couldn't justify the $700 price tag for rim one .

I was quoted that & more for my Enkei's..........went shopping at Ebay motors USA & got them for about half that price delivered!

I went to the Bob Jane in Newcastle and the guy over there was very helpful he knew his stuff plus he had similar stories of people coming in to get rims only to come back complaining that the rims don't clear. I've seen the Advanti Nova rims on Kif380's car and I reckon that they look similar to the Infernos with regards to clearance. I was considering getting the same set of Enkei rims but I couldn't justify the $700 price tag for one rim.

If you back through my ride thread a little, I did do a test fit on some Enkei SC23/25?? Something like that in a 19x8 which were ok. Nice rim in hyper black like my GTC's but I wanted wider & 20". They were from Jax Tyres round about the $300 a piece.

If you back through my ride thread a little, I did do a test fit on some Enkei SC23/25?? Something like that in a 19x8 which were ok. Nice rim in hyper black like my GTC's but I wanted wider & 20". They were from Jax Tyres round about the $300 a piece.

They are actually SC25

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60/foozrcool/63d9dd59.jpg

It's a shame you didn't have your brakes on at the time

So I got the wheels today and decided to do some clearance test.

Wheel: Speedy Inferno 19"x8.5", 38 Offset

This is a picture of a standard water bottle in between my back calipers and the rim
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/magnoob/380%20Pics/Speedy%20Inferno%20Wheels/S-IMAG0262.jpg

Here is one with my front calipers
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/magnoob/380%20Pics/Speedy%20Inferno%20Wheels/S-IMAG0263.jpg

Here is one with a hockey ball in between my front rotors and rim
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/magnoob/380%20Pics/Speedy%20Inferno%20Wheels/S-IMAG0266.jpg

Here is the other one with my back rotors
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/magnoob/380%20Pics/Speedy%20Inferno%20Wheels/S-IMAG0265.jpg

This exceeded my expectations so surely this will be more than enough to clear the K Sport 356mm brakes and rotors.

Yep shouldn't be a problem with those babies :)

Sweet!!! So when are we placing our order???;)

Sweet!!! So when are we placing our order???;)

Hopefully within the next few weeks, probably after easter would be the best time for me, but since we have to put a down payment on the brakes I can probably do that sooner

Gents, before you go and put bigger roters and callipers on your 380s, I suggest you contact your Insurance company, and registration / licensing services provider in your state or territory.

I recently contacted the ACT Motor Registry and was told that if I change the thickness or diameter of the rotor or change the caliper that a certification process would be required. Changing the OEM rotor to a slotted rotor of the same dimension is allowable.

It appears that registration / licensing service provides refer to the “Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14 (VSB 14), National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP)” this states:

1.2 MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING CERTIFICATION UNDER LG CODES, lists Substituting brake master cylinders, wheel cylinders or calipers; as a requirement for “Re-certification, testing and/or data to show continuing compliance for the modified vehicle“

This document can be found at
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP5_Section_LG_Brakes_V2_01Jan2011.pdf

I hope this helps.

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/magnoob/380%20Pics/Speedy%20Inferno%20Wheels/S-IMAG0265.jpg

This exceeded my expectations so surely this will be more than enough to clear the K Sport 356mm brakes and rotors.

Why the hell do you wear a powerband? lol

Why the hell do you wear a powerband? lol

I bought it because I wanted to improve my balance on a motorcycle, since I took a spills. After I bought it I didn't have a single drop after that


Gents, before you go and put bigger roters and callipers on your 380s, I suggest you contact your Insurance company, and registration / licensing services provider in your state or territory.

I recently contacted the ACT Motor Registry and was told that if I change the thickness or diameter of the rotor or change the caliper that a certification process would be required. Changing the OEM rotor to a slotted rotor of the same dimension is allowable.

It appears that registration / licensing service provides refer to the “Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14 (VSB 14), National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP)” this states:

1.2 MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING CERTIFICATION UNDER LG CODES, lists Substituting brake master cylinders, wheel cylinders or calipers; as a requirement for “Re-certification, testing and/or data to show continuing compliance for the modified vehicle“

This document can be found at
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP5_Section_LG_Brakes_V2_01Jan2011.pdf

I hope this helps.

Surely if I'm substituting with a brake that is Australian Standard certified and goes above and beyond OEM, plus it is fitted with a recognised mechanic that it should be on the up and up. IMO I think that the clause refers to any "tom, dick and harry" doing a backyard car modification

Surely if I'm substituting with a brake that is Australian Standard certified and goes above and beyond OEM, plus it is fitted with a recognised mechanic that it should be on the up and up. IMO I think that the clause refers to any "tom, dick and harry" doing a backyard car modification

No one really gives a damn on your opinion mate when you crash your car and then the insurance company and or rego authority has a pink fit and refused to pay. As these are NOT OEM equipment on ANY Mitsubishi, they will need to be specially engineered. The process is lengthy, VERY costly and very taxing on your car as full testing on a track needs to take place. Once the first one is done, there may then be cause to have others done on a case of the fact that a similar or same car has been certified but good luck with that.

Even putting 380 brakes on a Magna shoudl go through this however the engineer I have spoken to was not fussed as the rotors are the same diameter as the AWD, only a few mm thicker and also twin pot caliper as per the AWD again. He would still need to certify the brake upgrade but again as it is bolt on OEM no issues there at all. Most would not require a track test to be done in this situation. Same could be applied for a Brembo conversion provided you had a decent engineer and not a money grubber like some of them are

Hopefully within the next few weeks, probably after easter would be the best time for me, but since we have to put a down payment on the brakes I can probably do that sooner

Keen keen keen....

I will be contacting the RTA and my insurance company in regards to having to get an engineers certificate to still be covered by insurance and the RTA should the need ever arise.....

Spoke to an EX-cop and AAMi skilled driver trainer and he suggested i get aftermarket slotted rotors and i also mensioned about caliper upgrades and he didn't say anything about it being bad. So yeah, slotted rotors are definately fine with police and insurance companies and calipers are very unlikely to show a problem but no harm in asking your insurer.

Mine are on my insurance policy along with everything else I have done ........

Mine are on my insurance policy along with everything else I have done ........

Insurance companies will insure anything......as long as it is legal.

The problem with most insurance companies is that they don't ask if the modifications are legal until it's claim time. I'm with RACV & they'll insure ANY modification that I make to the car. As long as its legal; but it's MY responsibility to ensure that everything is legal, not theirs. They'll only check the legalities AFTER the fact. They'll insure my car with a V8 in it, ask if it's legal but require no proof, no engineers cert etc. The onus is on the vehicle owner to provide proof if needed, which is usually later.

I'm not suggesting that your insurer is like this but if RACV are, then I guess there must be a few others that are?

I guess it depends on the type of accident too. I have had a claim with the supercharger & coilovers etc fitted & the assessor was under the bonnet & everywhere & nothing was mentioned. I must admit I didnt have the massive orange K-Sport calipers gleeming through the wheels but I can't see that being an issue with my insurance company anyway.

These brakes are a massive improvement over the stock 380 setup & if you have the sticky tyres to match you can pull up extremely rapidly!!!

yeah aami told me that too, even if you don't say you have it. IF it is legal it won't void anything.

sorry i should rephrase that.... Anything that is common and does not affect the premium paid...

I just got off the phone with my insurer (NRMA) and as alscall just mentioned, as long as it's legal there is no problem. The guy from NRMA said if you ask the licensed fitter/mechanic (in this case, it'll be Frank from K Sport, a licensed mechanic) if my car will pass a Pink Slip in NSW as being a legal, roadworthy modification then it's fine...

So by the looks of things it should be completely legal, I tried to call the RTA to see what they say in terms of legalities but their office is currently closed....

Hi All,

I have been doing some more reading on the NSW RTA web site. On page 5 of the Vehicle Standards Information sheet, Guidelines for light vehicle modifications within section "Brakes" it states:

“When brakes are upgraded using components or systems which were not standard options for the
vehicle, an engineering certificate is necessary to attest to the adequacy of the new system,
eg: hydraulic fluid sufficiency, balanced braking on all wheels, brake pedal pressure limitations and braking performance.”

This can be found at http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_20 07.pdf

I do not doubt the performance of K Sport brakes, but I would hate people to be caught out by these regulations.

No one really gives a damn on your opinion mate when you crash your car and then the insurance company and or rego authority has a pink fit and refused to pay. As these are NOT OEM equipment on ANY Mitsubishi, they will need to be specially engineered. The process is lengthy, VERY costly and very taxing on your car as full testing on a track needs to take place. Once the first one is done, there may then be cause to have others done on a case of the fact that a similar or same car has been certified but good luck with that.

Even putting 380 brakes on a Magna shoudl go through this however the engineer I have spoken to was not fussed as the rotors are the same diameter as the AWD, only a few mm thicker and also twin pot caliper as per the AWD again. He would still need to certify the brake upgrade but again as it is bolt on OEM no issues there at all. Most would not require a track test to be done in this situation. Same could be applied for a Brembo conversion provided you had a decent engineer and not a money grubber like some of them are

Roughly if I was to go and get an engineer to certify the work, how much money would we be talking about. Just a rough estimate

The same thing is required when you fit aftermarket globes in your headlights... but nobody does it. The fact a registered mechanic supplies and fits them leaves you without blame

The same thing is required when you fit aftermarket globes in your headlights... but nobody does it. The fact a registered mechanic supplies and fits them leaves you without blame


Actually “Additional lighting eg fog & driving lights.” is listed by the NSW RTA as an “Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications” not requiring an engineer

This can be found on page 2 of http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_20 07.pdf

That's stupid. upgrading brakes is obviously a safety enhancement. most globes either have bad light output or blind people. the law is stupid.

That's stupid. upgrading brakes is obviously a safety enhancement. most globes either have bad light output or blind people. the law is stupid.

It isn't an issue to upgrade your brakes or have them certified.

The reason for the legislation is that there's quite a few dummies out there that undertake modifications like this & do them incorrectly, thus rendering the vehicle unsafe to be on the roads.

A poorly fitted inferior quality headlight bulb won't kill anyone; blind someone temporarily perhaps, whereas failing brakes could kill a number of road users/ pedestrians.

I've been referred this guys contact details and will be in contact with him in the morning.

www.vehicleengineering.com.au/

There are also some links to videos which I found interesting.....

Keep us informed mate

Just got off the phone with the engineer from Canberra (the above website I posted) he does the engineering work for Port Hacking Automotive here in Sydney as well as other work for other workshops around Sydney.

He said it's pretty straight forward really, provided the car is in road worthy condition and there are no engine modifications done to the car, the test can be performed in a quiet street and he is happy to do so. He said this costs around the $650 mark. If we do them both together and possibly drive to Canberra, I'm sure we can get it a little cheaper....

Just got off the phone with the engineer from Canberra (the above website I posted) he does the engineering work for Port Hacking Automotive here in Sydney as well as other work for other workshops around Sydney.

He said it's pretty straight forward really, provided the car is in road worthy condition and there are no engine modifications done to the car, the test can be performed in a quiet street and he is happy to do so. He said this costs around the $650 mark. If we do them both together and possibly drive to Canberra, I'm sure we can get it a little cheaper....

I smell a road trip brewing. Did the guy mention if there was a difference between the different states since my car is registered in VIC, but if the same test still applies to different states then I don't see the harm in working something out.

Still can't believe you wear a powerband and actually like it.... Sigh what is the world coming too.. guess whatever you think works..

Still can't believe you wear a powerband and actually like it.... Sigh what is the world coming too.. guess whatever you think works..

Going slightly off topic but I've had this thing for ages more than a year. At the time I got one of these I was the only one with one. You can tell it is ancient because most of the holograms are faded, that is the mark of genuine quality. The other one I had from Ebay disintegrated in a few weeks
http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/magnoob/S-IMAG0310.jpg

Frank at K sport said an engineers certificate isn't needed. He is more then happy to supply me with a pink slip for insurance purposes!

Since am engineers certificate isn't needed it makes all our lives easier. VIC plated cars don't need pink slips, plus I'm not planning on selling my car anytime soon

Power-bands were proven fake, one of the largest companies selling them was forced to refund their customers due to not being able to provide scientific evidence on their benefits.

All in the head sorry mate, the human brain is a funny thing though sometimes all it takes is the belief that something is improving you.

Power-bands were proven fake, one of the largest companies selling them was forced to refund their customers due to not being able to provide scientific evidence on their benefits.

All in the head sorry mate, the human brain is a funny thing though sometimes all it takes is the belief that something is improving you.

Well at the moment it's working for him so don't ruin it!

To get back on topic!

These pads are dusty as ****!!!!

Magnoob, I am looking at getting some rims off the speedy site, what is the exact stud pattern for the 380? 5x114.3 or 5x120?

5x114.3

5x114.3

:yeahthat: plus I'm running 38+ offset, if that helps

I know the bands can't be scientifically proven to be effective, but the placebo effect is very powerful.

Going more on topic, I've been playing with the idea of looking at getting some Project Mu brakes...why? Because I want to be different. That's probably why I haven't gone ahead and got me a set of these monstrous brakes, also considering if I should color code my brakes to the rest of the car. What are peoples thoughts?

:yeahthat: plus I'm running 38+ offset, if that helps

I know the bands can't be scientifically proven to be effective, but the placebo effect is very powerful.

Going more on topic, I've been playing with the idea of looking at getting some Project Mu brakes...why? Because I want to be different. That's probably why I haven't gone ahead and got me a set of these monstrous brakes, also considering if I should color code my brakes to the rest of the car. What are peoples thoughts?

Cheers

Nah different colour.sticks out more!

you can get ROH flare from TMR Ralliart in Hallam, Melbourne. Pricey though. I bought a set of 5 of them at $475 each. 19 x 8 with +46 offset on my VRX TL awd. you can see them on my album. Big 5 spoke rim design

Also, running the roh flares with appropriate offset car feels agile, there's no tramlining effect

Question about going bigger brakes. Someone has suggested to me going bigger can effect the way the EBD will work. Any one know if there is any truth to that?
BTW, I just bought this package from the USA http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370625924912 and getting them next week. Evo X is a direct bolt on front brakes wise. Already had them checked on my car to see if they clear and there is no problem. :facejump:

Question about going bigger brakes. Someone has suggested to me going bigger can effect the way the EBD will work. Any one know if there is any truth to that?
BTW, I just bought this package from the USA http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370625924912 and getting them next week. Evo X is a direct bolt on front brakes wise. Already had them checked on my car to see if they clear and there is no problem. :facejump:

You need to drill the mount holes i'm pretty sure, you should have gone evo 5-9???