Well I've had some Philips DRL 8's hiding under the stairs for a while now, and today is the day to fit them.....

Just wanted your opinion on the placement....And why.....

Side fitment in the Factory Fog Positions
http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/DRLSide.jpg

Or Here, in the center..
http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/DRLcenter.jpg

Thanks Marty

There is a cool UK website where you can upload a pic of your car and see how they'll look.
Here (http://www.led-drl.co.uk/cars/) Click on the Try on my car banner link....
And there's a youtube vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsFYQV0NUY), with fitting and them in action (4:10)...

Makes the car look phatter with them on the outside I reckon .....

Side fitment.

Looks more 'factory' than centre fitment, and can be seen better by traffic, cyclists, pedestrians etc off to the side, and that's the whole point of DRLs.

PS - your front is almost exactly the same as mine - pov pack & platinum colour - so I'm intersted in how easy or hard it is to fit these.

Only problem I have is I replaced the 'square' stock inserts with round ones, ie the ones used for fog/driving lights, coz of the the 'virtual CAI' I have fitted to the passenger side fog light hole. The end of the CAI is a section of steel tube which fits snug inside the fog light hole.

So dunno if these DRLs will mount to my inserts without a lot of stuffing about.

KJ.

IMO IN the factory position looks best.

By the way how did the HPX pads go on the way home. And did you have any luck at the wreckers.

Yep to the outside mate

Makes the car look phatter with them on the outside I reckon .....

Cool, good info Thanks


Side fitment.

Looks more 'factory' than centre fitment, and can be seen better by traffic, cyclists, pedestrians etc off to the side, and that's the whole point of DRLs.

PS - your front is almost exactly the same as mine - pov pack & platinum colour - so I'm intersted in how easy or hard it is to fit these.

Only problem I have is I replaced the 'square' stock inserts with round ones, ie the ones used for fog/driving lights, coz of the the 'virtual CAI' I have fitted to the passenger side fog light hole. The end of the CAI is a section of steel tube which fits snug inside the fog light hole.

So dunno if these DRLs will mount to my inserts without a lot of stuffing about.

KJ.
Not my car, pinched of car sales....
I'll let you know how easy they are to fit, the fog position will much hard to to fit.


IMO IN the factory position looks best.

By the way how did the HPX pads go on the way home. And did you have any luck at the wreckers.

They had a TW with an excellent interior, so it gave up LHS rear door card, mine was ounched in, down low. Also got a good condition clock. then I fixed mine lol. So I modded my clock's plastic to look 'blackout' couldn't do much the actual number lighting themselves, but found a way to remove scratches from clusters and clock displays very cheaply.

BOT - Thanks for the opinion...


Yep to the outside mate

Cheers means a lot....

Oh and the Brakes were good, took two hours to get home...Ipswich RD Car Park FFS...

And the missus said inside fitment, FFS again.... I like the outside, Doghouse for me......FFS.. Only cause they weren't wide enough, but the lights are not to scale anyway....

The SX, VRX, GT bar would have to mount in the centre coz theres nowhere else to put them ......

Sweet, DRL's are in...Where the fogs go....
380 Damage.
1. Only 4 little screw holes easily covered by new fog blanks if I ever remove them.
2. 2 cutup Blanks where the fogs would go.

The missus said ' Ooooh Audi lights, Cool", the some remark about headlight eyelashs which I pretended to ignore...FFS Again.....

i took a quick Video, but there's my sorry ass limping around the place, so you wont get to see it...
Pics will wait, its off down the park......

Personally I think they look terrible no matter where you put them, but if you must the outside is a more practical location where they will serve there purpose, looking no less tack on than the centre or anywhere else though.

If you want an audi drl look, you'll need to pull your headlights apart and work out how to fit them in a factory manner following the lines of the headlights.

Just mucking around .......

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60/foozrcool/Capture.jpg

Looks like fangs lol

I vont to suck your blood

Personally I think they look terrible no matter where you put them, but if you must the outside is a more practical location where they will serve there purpose, looking no less tack on than the centre or anywhere else though.

If you want an audi drl look, you'll need to pull your headlights apart and work out how to fit them in a factory manner following the lines of the headlights.

Thats a valid point of veiw..
I think it's pretty hard to make any accesory that not OEM look good, there exceptions to the rule tho, - this aint one one of them.
But, for me anyway, its not a case of buying them to to enhance the looks of my car, more-so, it was about the safety of my family, with proven stats of 10%+ reduction of daytime accidents, and 30%+ reduction in left turn accidents, i.e. people not seeing you and pulling out in front of you.. Thats why I fitted them...For Me, Nat and Angela....

Safety and Value for money is the reason I chose the TW over the TJ, and the 380.... I dont want it to look like an Audi, I want it to look like my Mitsubishi....

How come there's no third option of none?

I vote outside.


Personally I think they look terrible no matter where you put them, but if you must the outside is a more practical location where they will serve there purpose, looking no less tack on than the centre or anywhere else though.

If you want an audi drl look, you'll need to pull your headlights apart and work out how to fit them in a factory manner following the lines of the headlights.
I've seen the Philips DRL4s that SH00T has on his TW and they look really good. I think this is for two reasons. The DRLs are a pretty pure white, they're not a tacky blue. They're also bright enough that you don't see the individual LEDs - you just see a bright light coming from the bottom of the car lol

Most aftermarket DRLs look tacky in my opinion, but I quite like SH00Ts. From a distance, they look more like bright headlights than LED DRLs.


How come there's no third option of none?
I would recommend reading the above post. This bit in particular:


But, for me anyway, its not a case of buying them to to enhance the looks of my car, more-so, it was about the safety of my family, with proven stats of 10%+ reduction of daytime accidents, and 30%+ reduction in left turn accidents, i.e. people not seeing you and pulling out in front of you.. Thats why I fitted them...For Me, Nat and Angela....

Head lights do the same thing.

Head lights do the same thing.
Very true, but you have to turn your headlights on, the interior lights dim, making it hard to read radio, gear, warning lights, especially when wearing sunnies, and transport Canada estimates about 40.00 a year fuel savings over regular low beam lights...

Ok I can see a fuel saving but $40 compared to the cost of the DRL??????? Plus the cost of the install if you can't do it yourself, plus unforseen problems, plus dubious quality issues, plus plus plus. At the end of the day each to their own i suppose.

Thats 40 annually, and my 380 will stay with me a while til I find a car that's cheaper to run, as for quality, I went for the Philips, not some dubious Ebay import..

Plus if you're running them constantly, you're probably only going to get a year or two out of your bulbs, and if you're paying $50+ for a good set of bulbs, it'll cover the cost of DRLs awfully quickly...

I've got my parkers running throughout the day for this EXACT reason.

Im with Marty on this one.. When it comes to safety.. Even if it does cost you a few dollars more, its always going to be worth it.

SuFz :ninja:

Installed these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-LED-Daytime-Running-Light-DRL-Bright-White-Car-6-LEDs-1-Pair-FOG-Kit-Lamp-/140695620600?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20c21ccbf8 in lower grill of Series 3 VRX a few months ago.

Wired so they turn on with ignition and have a relay so they turn off when parkers turn on to keep them legal.

Looki good imo and add a dimension of safety as discussed above.

Cheers

Mike

Installed these http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-LED-Daytime-Running-Light-DRL-Bright-White-Car-6-LEDs-1-Pair-FOG-Kit-Lamp-/140695620600?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20c21ccbf8 in lower grill of Series 3 VRX a few months ago.

Wired so they turn on with ignition and have a relay so they turn off when parkers turn on to keep them legal.

Looki good imo and add a dimension of safety as discussed above.

Cheers

Mike

Needs pictures and a wiring diagram please

Wired five pin relay as follows

-30 = power from windscreen wiper fuse (load side) in engine bay
-85 = coil ground (wired to the negative (-) battery terminal or any grounded metal panel in the car) drl earthed at the same point.
-86 = wired to parking light fuse (load side) in engine bay fuse box
-87a = power wire from drl [i used a five pin relay) this pin is connected to pin 30 when the coil is NOT powered.

Bolted relay to car using the front bolt that holds the engine bay fuse box.

Wife has the car today so will organize pics tomorrow

Cheers mike

Heres a quick vid of how they look, not too bad.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3DEyehDrMw&list=UU8dgqQtjDsY4gTqUGDuEekg&index=1&feature=plcp

First fitting was angled out a little too much despite the wider beam than the 4's. they are another vid under the same youtube account.

Just a little note, they ( Philips Daylight 8's) didnt seem to come with a dummy parker, but they are only required for cars with Fault notices for lights that blow. I just removed my parkers, all works...
Dims as a parker, when the lights are on, apparently you are only allow to run 1 pair of parkers..
Upgraded the OEM bulbs to 4500k, much whiter.
Handly link for changing 380 lights (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86837&page=1), they are both different WTF ( already added to the PS41 Ref. Thread).

Thanks for that Mike.

How did you connect your relay to the load side of the fuses in the engine bay? Did you splice into the OEM cable?

Used a fuse tap (check ebay)on the parking light circuit but due to the configoration of the relays and fuse holdersand shape of the fuse tap was unable to physically use a fuse tap in the wiper circuit. Stripped the added circuit wire and used the wiper fuse to hold it in the load side (used a multi meter to ascertain load side) of the fuse holder.

Wife has the car today so will organize pics tomorrow



I waited for you throw some pics up before I did my Tube video, but they didn't appear. Couldn't wait any longer.
I'd still love to see some.

Do u reckon its hard to hardwire the spot lights on the vrx to run as daytime lights, without having to turn the headlights on?

Do u reckon its hard to hardwire the spot lights on the vrx to run as daytime lights, without having to turn the headlights on?
You could, but using fog lights in fine conditions is an offence - I've learned that one the hard way.

Agreed, you could wire them like drl's, but they will still be foglights.

You could, but using fog lights in fine conditions is an offence - I've learned that one the hard way.


Agreed, you could wire them like drl's, but they will still be foglights.

And that my friends in the conjective /subjective fifty five thousand dollar question

When does a knowingly installed drl kit become just that and not at fog light in the eyes of the law.

I would love to put some bright led in the 380 fog light spot as drl but am worried about the police saying ..na na ,they are fog lights and im loath to put straight ones in some where just to make them look like drls

And that my friends in the conjective /subjective fifty five thousand dollar question

When does a knowingly installed drl kit become just that and not at fog light in the eyes of the law.

I would love to put some bright led in the 380 fog light spot as drl but am worried about the police saying ..na na ,they are fog lights and im loath to put straight ones in some where just to make them look like drls

+1 for this! I have circular DRL's mounted in the foglight spot, and im waiting for the day i get stopped and told they are fog lights :(

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x118/rushy_m/1334053293717.jpg

I would love to put some bright led in the 380 fog light spot as drl but am worried about the police saying ..na na ,they are fog lights and im loath to put straight ones in some where just to make them look like drls

Maybe some circular/angel eyes around the fog light - then you can switch on either to prove fogs are separate?

And that my friends in the conjective /subjective fifty five thousand dollar question

When does a knowingly installed drl kit become just that and not at fog light in the eyes of the law.

It depends on what you're talking about. If you replaced the entire foglight housing with a DRL - like rush did - that'd be fine. Or telpat's idea would probably be legal.

But simply changing the bulbs, or wiring them differently, won't change the fact that a foglight is a foglight.

As I'm sure you know, different lights have different housings, to reflect what they're designed for - eg fog lights have a wide and low beam to disperse fog, DRLs are bright but aren't intended to throw light onto the road surface, low beams are designed not to dazzle other motorists, etc. Changing bulbs or wiring them differently doesn't change this. Or in other words, a fog light will always be a fog light.

Pic of DRLs Attached

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79691586@N08/7127010351/

Cheers

Mike, I don't mean this in rude way, and they were an absolute bargain (10% of the cost of the 8's, and 20% the cost of the 4's), but they look to be turned on, are they?, the ebay link has full silver reflector, the only way to make them appear dark, would for them to be lit.....

You could, but using fog lights in fine conditions is an offence - I've learned that one the hard way.

Wow ive been gettin away with that for 4 years now...i drive all the time with lights incl foggies on during daytime hrs...safety reasons...that question wasnt in my driving test back in the early 90s...but if theyre illegal it must mean that safety peeps tgunk theyre a hazard to toher drivers? Ive never been dazzled by a set of foggies, but poorly aimed headlights yep...

They are very bright when you see them "in the flesh". Very slight blue tinge to them. camera on phone does not do them justice.

Lots of positive comments from people who see them on the car.

Heres a shot of the 4's (http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z467/Shootmarty/2012-01-04184228-2.jpg) on the magna, taken off my phone about 4 meters away.
They are $100.00 from amazon.

But for 19.00 you cant lose.

Wow ive been gettin away with that for 4 years now...i drive all the time with lights incl foggies on during daytime hrs...safety reasons...that question wasnt in my driving test back in the early 90s...but if theyre illegal it must mean that safety peeps tgunk theyre a hazard to toher drivers? Ive never been dazzled by a set of foggies, but poorly aimed headlights yep...

I've turned right into Roseland st coming from the servo's, and was blinded by the side glare off some foggies, as I rounded a car waiting to come out. If you were crossing the road as a pedestrian there, you would have damaged my Bumper.

Ok..point taken...no more drivin with the foggies...

Ok..point taken...no more drivin with the foggies...

Well, that was 4WD, so the lights were up pretty high, which made it worse, on the other side of the coin, I think we get left alone for Foglight use, as our cars dont carry the reputation of your typical hoon mobile, where foggies would give the PoPo a good reason to pull you over.....

... I think we get left alone for Foglight use, as our cars dont carry the reputation of your typical hoon mobile, where foggies would give the PoPo a good reason to pull you over.....

Yeah i got pulled over heaps in my old 82 gj sigma than in the 380...no mods other than a stereo...mind u i had long dreads, was frequently exhaling smoke from rollies out the window and playing loud obnoxiois music bein a logan youngun...these days my window tint hides me from "da babylon"... :-) ...and the receding hairline and beergut cancel any potential threat i once posed...he he...

Back on DRL's, they use less power than a Foglight... But I have 380DB, only extras I got was TCL and Alloys long since gone, so I have the freedom to do what I want in the modifying stakes, but I've never had a 'They look good' or "they're alright".
Its like, "&^%$ they're bright" - or "Holy S^&%" and "yeah, I saw you coming a mile off".....

But I would have loved to see the dreads, I wonder if the younger you could have imagined where you are now, missus and all!

The end result.

I powered them with a fuse double-adapter from eBay powered from the cigarette lighter circuit fuse as I couldn't find a good place under the bonnet to grab the power from. The lights are attached to a relay connected to the headlights so they switch off when they switch on.

http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au/images/380_DRLs.jpg

Looks Good......

Because some folks have asked, this is how I wired them up. I couldn't find a convenient way to get at ACC switched power (because my car is still under warranty, I wasn't too keen to splice into the windscreen wiper circuit). So instead, I brought a cable in through the firewall behind the front guard and piggy backed it on to the cigarette lighter socket:

http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au/images/380_DRLs_CCT.jpg

Back in the engine bay I connected that to the load input of a 5-pin changeover (SPDT) relay. The coil of the relay was connected to the headlight low beam wire via a little clip connector. (The blue thing - those connectors aren't much good but for the tiny current going through the relay, it works ok)

The DRLs themselves are connected to the normally closed output of the relay. The idea is that when the headlights switch on, the relay coil powers up, which switches the normally closed output OFF and so the DRLs also go off. To save trying to find the right kind of relay, eBay "DRL relay" and you should find the right one.

http://vk6hgr.echidna.id.au/images/380_DRLs_HL.jpg

Like wow...where did you get that fuse adapter thingy..way cool idea...

eBay :-)

They're called an Add-a-circuit mini.

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=Add+A+Circuit+mini&_sacat=0&_odkw=Add+A+Circuit&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

eBay :-)

They're called an Add-a-circuit mini.

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=Add+A+Circuit+mini&_sacat=0&_odkw=Add+A+Circuit&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

thanks mate....bookmarked..

See the parallel thread 12V.......... for other options

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97623&p=1533553&highlight=#post1533553

thanks mate....bookmarked..

I bought a pair of these, only expecting to use one of them though so the other will most likely be available if someone wants it