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johnvirus_01
03-04-2012, 08:22 AM
hi all
i think its about time that the suspension in the TF needs replacing as it is hitting the bump stop at slow speeds on the humps
any advice on what i should get??
and i was looking at Pedders Sportsryder suspension but is this any good??? and would this lower the car or raise it??
any advice welcome
Keep away from Pedders, its shit.
Talk to Mal off here and see what he can do with Dobinsons/KYB/Boge gear.
johnvirus_01
03-04-2012, 09:14 AM
who's mal(or are you referring by any chance to Madmagna???)
anyway, im just looking at some suspension to absorb the bloody big potholes around my area, yet is cheap and i need some one to install as well( as no time due to school and lack of know how yet)
Red Valdez
03-04-2012, 11:39 AM
i think its about time that the suspension in the TF needs replacing as it is hitting the bump stop at slow speeds on the humps
It's possible that your bump stops are screwed, but the rest of the suspension is fine. I had that on my car - my bump stops were gone at 150,000km, even though the suspension was fine. Having lowered suspension on for the last third of that would have something to do with it.
any advice on what i should get??
Dobinson or King Springs with KYB or Boge shocks.
and i was looking at Pedders Sportsryder suspension but is this any good??? and would this lower the car or raise it??
Pedders isn't very good. I wouldn't recommend it.
The effect that a suspension change would have on your ride height would be dependent on the suspension you currently have.
johnvirus_01
03-04-2012, 12:42 PM
i doubt the bump stops are gone, as my first ever car had sort of the same problem(1994 Toyota Camry Exec) but will look into that anyway
and i have all stock suspension on there now,with Factory alloys
and also, anyone know some good stockists in sydney that install as well?? along with an average quote for all this
HaydenVRX
03-04-2012, 03:16 PM
If you want your car to remain very comfortable get some vrx/sports/ralliart springs with some boge or koni shocks or if you want a little better handling but still comfy get king or dobinsons lows
dreggzy
03-04-2012, 07:57 PM
I have Gabriel struts. Would recommend them.
johnvirus_01
04-04-2012, 12:14 PM
looking at KONI shocks definate
where would i get rallart-thingy springs from?? and would they be low???
also would my TF already have a swaybar???
johnvirus_01
04-04-2012, 12:15 PM
now its a fact of buying them now!!!
dreggzy
04-04-2012, 12:29 PM
You don't have a swaybar unless it was installed by a previous owner.
Red Valdez
04-04-2012, 12:42 PM
Koni shocks are great, but are expensive.
VR-X/Sports/Ralliart springs are only about 10mm lower than standard. Better to go something aftermarket IMO, as they'll be stiffer.
johnvirus_01
04-04-2012, 01:50 PM
just put a request for a quote in with mitsfix for dobinson springs and Koni Shocks
i'm putting in koni as my dad had them in his patrol and worked a treat until he snapped one :-(
want to put swaybar as well
johnvirus_01
05-04-2012, 08:08 AM
ok so reccomendations on what swaybar i should get???
Red Valdez
05-04-2012, 08:13 AM
Afaik there's only the one rear swaybar for Magnas from Whiteline. There's two variants, but it depends on whether you have a factory sway bar or not.
johnvirus_01
05-04-2012, 08:54 AM
no factory one, pedders sell whiteline wouldnt they?
no factory one, pedders sell whiteline wouldnt they?
Whiteline are a competitor so i highly doubt they would sell their stuff. Do yourself a favour and dont deal with pedders full stop unless you like sloppy springs and busted shocks months after forking out for them
johnvirus_01
05-04-2012, 11:22 AM
im not dont worry, its my first time ever modifying a car so i need some help
im not dont worry, its my first time ever modifying a car so i need some help
Thats cool mate. I had KYB shocks and King Low springs and it was a great combo. Not overly stiff and not low enough to cause clearance issues. Car handled much better. Rear 22mm adjustable whiteline swaybar was a brilliant addition, it really dialled out a lot of understeer and made the rear more playful. Just make sure your tyres are decent and you dont pull yhe swaybar on hard otherwise it can get tailhappy in the wet
Front strut brace also helped make the front end tighter and more direct when cornering
johnvirus_01
05-04-2012, 11:43 AM
well put in a quote with MAL for KONI shocks and Dobinson springs(probably standard)
will find a place for a swaybar
Red Valdez
05-04-2012, 11:44 AM
Pretty sure Mal does Whiteline gear too. If not, megatron sells Whiteline.
Most independent suspension stores should be able to order in everything you're after. Something to consider if you're paying someone to install the gear.
johnvirus_01
09-04-2012, 08:57 AM
getting dobinson springs and boge shocks( mal wont sell koni) :-(
also settling for whiteline swaybars, need to find an installer other than pedders
Brett H
09-04-2012, 09:20 AM
I've got the Boges in my station wagon. A better choice than KYB for sure.
Had all my suspension done by a place in Taren Point (Rob's steering from memory), very happy.
It was Dave from posts above, who put me onto them after also getting his done there, so wouldn't hurt to mention you got referred there in this way.
Madmagna
19-04-2012, 03:03 PM
getting dobinson springs and boge shocks( mal wont sell koni) :-(
also settling for whiteline swaybars, need to find an installer other than pedders
Ummmm are you really serious, what the hell are you doing stating that I dont sell something that I sell and am a dealer of???????????
I've got the Boges in my station wagon. A better choice than KYB for sure.
Had all my suspension done by a place in Taren Point (Rob's steering from memory), very happy.
It was Dave from posts above, who put me onto them after also getting his done there, so wouldn't hurt to mention you got referred there in this way.
Rob is a good guy, he knows his stuff and does good work. I think it was his place that initially designed swaybars for the bigger aussie companies like red ranger. He even said that he could custom make them but this was years ago.
Glad you had a good experience brett
Brett H
20-04-2012, 05:25 AM
[QUOTE=Dave;1488416]Rob is a good guy, he knows his stuff and does good work. I think it was his place that initially designed swaybars for the bigger aussie companies like red ranger. He even said that he could custom make them but this was years ago.
Yep, the guy he works with still makes custom swaybars!
Aha interesting! There was a shitload of bars up the back of his workshop. He also does a lot of work for amateur rally cars. Seen some niiiiice cars in there
johnvirus_01
20-04-2012, 07:39 AM
sorry mal it wasint that you wont sell but that i asked for a quote and i get something else
sorry about that mate really didint mean it that way
Dragonking
20-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Yep, the guy he works with still makes custom swaybars!
:o details? Would I be able to get a rear-sway bar for my ts by any chance?
dreggzy
20-04-2012, 08:36 PM
Jax tyres in haberfield. Chris (who owns it) is a legend. My dad used to race mg's with his dad. Top bloke.
:o details? Would I be able to get a rear-sway bar for my ts by any chance?
Robs steering, taren point
johnvirus_01
21-04-2012, 07:17 AM
will look into it and tell em dave sent me
thanks anyways
al.tj
26-04-2012, 11:18 PM
HMMM, my TF had Lovells super lows, even when I replaced the shocks, put in KYB, it still bottomed out at speed or over speed humps. I was going to use Pedders but their prices were outrageous, I had aa lot of stuff done, especially on the front, because that's where the weight is. I was about to change the springs when I blew up the engine and had to sel the car. Pedders do sell whiteline bars which work well, but you can buy them much cheaper if yr patient and troll for prices, you can easiily get them cheaper than whiteline sell yhem, try Online performance autos. I have to say that even with minimal modes to teh suspension, that TF stuck to the road like glue, still had 15 inch wheels on it, nice flat Kumho tyres helped. Don't go too low for road driving, keep it simple
johnvirus_01
13-05-2012, 11:46 AM
HMMM, my TF had Lovells super lows, even when I replaced the shocks, put in KYB, it still bottomed out at speed or over speed humps. I was going to use Pedders but their prices were outrageous, I had aa lot of stuff done, especially on the front, because that's where the weight is. I was about to change the springs when I blew up the engine and had to sel the car. Pedders do sell whiteline bars which work well, but you can buy them much cheaper if yr patient and troll for prices, you can easiily get them cheaper than whiteline sell yhem, try Online performance autos. I have to say that even with minimal modes to teh suspension, that TF stuck to the road like glue, still had 15 inch wheels on it, nice flat Kumho tyres helped. Don't go too low for road driving, keep it simple
ok but dont want to lower it
just to update
one of the reps i think it was at a NSW Social said that the tops of the suspension or something may be gone
many people suggested a Pedders $ 14 check or so , will need to do this and diagnose problem
now dave, before you erupt over this, everyone has their opinion and some people recommend pedders so will be getting a check and not purchasing their products yet
race5l
13-05-2012, 12:07 PM
Only kyb and mitsu supply strut top plates. Pedders will supply genuine. Do the pedders check if you like but they would find issues with a new car as it is in their interest to replace parts to make money. Some franchises will be easier on the customers, but they will recommend struts and bump stops as they are apart. You are looking at an $800 job.
Best to get an expert opinion if you arent happy with the ones given, or dismiss one after agreeing and moving onto the next. For a rough idea, banging on bumps will mean shocks, rose joints or control arm or sway bar bushes. Strut top bearings will also creak on turning when still not moving. Jack it up and get someone to turn the wheel and look for faults, the more versed and detailed the description the more people can help..
magnafreak
13-05-2012, 12:25 PM
Keep away from Pedders, its shit.
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and what do you base that on mate?
johnvirus_01
13-05-2012, 12:35 PM
Only kyb and mitsu supply strut top plates. Pedders will supply genuine. Do the pedders check if you like but they would find issues with a new car as it is in their interest to replace parts to make money. Some franchises will be easier on the customers, but they will recommend struts and bump stops as they are apart. You are looking at an $800 job.
Best to get an expert opinion if you arent happy with the ones given, or dismiss one after agreeing and moving onto the next. For a rough idea, banging on bumps will mean shocks, rose joints or control arm or sway bar bushes. Strut top bearings will also creak on turning when still not moving. Jack it up and get someone to turn the wheel and look for faults, the more versed and detailed the description the more people can help..
either way, will get a inspection before i spend money on parts that were good
Dave
Keep away from Pedders, its shit.
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and what do you base that on mate?
everyone has their own opinion
Madmagna
13-05-2012, 01:10 PM
Only mits and kyb do stutt tops hey. Well I better get rid off all the ones on my shelf then
Pedders are crap as they sag, like kyb are over gassed and are general rubbish. Any decent amount of study will prove this. The amount of pedders I rip out of cars and get a call a day or 2 later from the owner telling me how good the car now feels is proof enough for me
Also strut tops WILL cause a knock in the front end, has me screwed why people feel the need to post so much wrong info as just looking at this thread alone there is that much conflicting information even I am getting confused
So in summary
Strut tops are available elsewhere
Strut tops can and do knock
Pedders are low quality products and a lot of the range is only rebranded generic rubbish (no bull)
johnvirus_01
13-05-2012, 01:11 PM
Only mits and kyb do stutt tops hey. Well I better get rid off all the ones on my shelf then
Pedders are crap as they sag, like kyb are over gassed and are general rubbish. Any decent amount of study will prove this. The amount of pedders I rip out of cars and get a call a day or 2 later from the owner telling me how good the car now feels is proof enough for me
well in that case, im only dealing in Mal Approved gear!!!!
alscall
13-05-2012, 01:39 PM
Only mits and kyb do stutt tops hey. Well I better get rid off all the ones on my shelf then
Pedders are crap as they sag, like kyb are over gassed and are general rubbish. Any decent amount of study will prove this. The amount of pedders I rip out of cars and get a call a day or 2 later from the owner telling me how good the car now feels is proof enough for me
Also strut tops WILL cause a knock in the front end, has me screwed why people feel the need to post so much wrong info as just looking at this thread alone there is that much conflicting information even I am getting confused
So in summary
Strut tops are available elsewhere
Strut tops can and do knock
Pedders are low quality products and a lot of the range is only rebranded generic rubbish (no bull)
I think what the race5l was actually trying to say was that there a very few people who make them, ie KYB or Mitsu, not that no one else sold them! lol lol It mightn't have been worded the best in his post, though. :)
I think what a lot of people forget is that when you're lowering a car with stiffer springs, you need a shock that can match it. This is where Pedders fail.....miserably. Their lowered springs are too soft for the height & the shocks are really only suited to stock height with stock springs.
I've had everything from Pedders to KYB to Koni to K Sport. The Koni & K Sport are the only ones i think are worth paying for. Although after driving other members vehicles with Boges fitted, I would think that they're the best bang for buck shocks for the Magna.
To the OP: Why wouldn't you just replace the lot? Shocks, springs & strut tops? Your car is getting on now in age & most likely all those items will need replacing soon anyway. Do all this before considering exhaust, brake upgrades, etc. You'll be quite surprised how well she'll handle afterwards. And it's a mod that will last your ownership of the car.
dreggzy
13-05-2012, 01:40 PM
I have Gabriel struts. Been on the car for 10k. They seem alright compared to the pedders that were in there before. Any other reviews of them??
magnafreak
13-05-2012, 02:10 PM
Only mits and kyb do stutt tops hey. Well I better get rid off all the ones on my shelf then
Pedders are crap as they sag, like kyb are over gassed and are general rubbish. Any decent amount of study will prove this. The amount of pedders I rip out of cars and get a call a day or 2 later from the owner telling me how good the car now feels is proof enough for me
Also strut tops WILL cause a knock in the front end, has me screwed why people feel the need to post so much wrong info as just looking at this thread alone there is that much conflicting information even I am getting confused
So in summary
Strut tops are available elsewhere
Strut tops can and do knock
Pedders are low quality products and a lot of the range is only rebranded generic rubbish (no bull)
mate what mileage do the pedders have on them when you pull them out?. of course if you are replacing something old with something new it will drive nicer.
also can you back up this statement of yours that you are basically saying they all sag. i have their coils in my tf and have no problem with them only problem i have is they arent low enough.
seems from where im sitting there is a lot of going off half cocked slagging off pedders without any actual facts. would this be for personal gain so people will buy from you by any chance?
johnvirus_01
13-05-2012, 02:39 PM
Only mits and kyb do stutt tops hey. Well I better get rid off all the ones on my shelf then
Pedders are crap as they sag, like kyb are over gassed and are general rubbish. Any decent amount of study will prove this. The amount of pedders I rip out of cars and get a call a day or 2 later from the owner telling me how good the car now feels is proof enough for me
Also strut tops WILL cause a knock in the front end, has me screwed why people feel the need to post so much wrong info as just looking at this thread alone there is that much conflicting information even I am getting confused
So in summary
Strut tops are available elsewhere
Strut tops can and do knock
Pedders are low quality products and a lot of the range is only rebranded generic rubbish (no bull)
to clear up am not getting pedders, just getting a check as reccomended by some members
everyone has their views and in reality, im not getting them yet so people calm down
and mal to clear up:
getting new springs
getting new shocks
getting inspection first so i dont spend hard earned cash on stuff that was already good
johnvirus_01
13-05-2012, 02:40 PM
I think what the race5l was actually trying to say was that there a very few people who make them, ie KYB or Mitsu, not that no one else sold them! lol lol It mightn't have been worded the best in his post, though. :)
I think what a lot of people forget is that when you're lowering a car with stiffer springs, you need a shock that can match it. This is where Pedders fail.....miserably. Their lowered springs are too soft for the height & the shocks are really only suited to stock height with stock springs.
I've had everything from Pedders to KYB to Koni to K Sport. The Koni & K Sport are the only ones i think are worth paying for. Although after driving other members vehicles with Boges fitted, I would think that they're the best bang for buck shocks for the Magna.
To the OP: Why wouldn't you just replace the lot? Shocks, springs & strut tops? Your car is getting on now in age & most likely all those items will need replacing soon anyway. Do all this before considering exhaust, brake upgrades, etc. You'll be quite surprised how well she'll handle afterwards. And it's a mod that will last your ownership of the car.
yeah i know, just wanted advice on what to get as im 17 and i know barely anything about this
alscall
13-05-2012, 02:46 PM
yeah i know, just wanted advice on what to get as im 17 and i know barely anything about this
I know, but if you're planning on keeping the car for a few years, you'll end up needing to replace one or all of the 3 items anyway. Best bet is to do it all at once & save yourself the added labour costs involved further down the track. :)
race5l
13-05-2012, 03:46 PM
Only mits and kyb do stutt tops hey. Well I better get rid off all the ones on my shelf then
Also strut tops WILL cause a knock in the front end, has me screwed why people feel the need to post so much wrong info as just looking at this thread alone there is that much conflicting information even I am getting confused
So in summary
Strut tops are available elsewhere
Strut tops can and do knock
Pedders are low quality products and a lot of the range is only rebranded generic rubbish (no bull)
That is ok, sorry to mislead you or anyone else.
Who else makes them? When I meant supply, I meant where shops get their supplies.
I didn't mention that the top bearing plates wont make a knock when going over a bump, but that they may also creak when turning. This may be sighted by him when the car is jacked up and with the wheels off the ground. The springs may visibly move in the top seat if the bearings are shot and not allowing the top seat to move freely against the stuffed bearing.
Your job entails repairing these everyday, yet there has been no opinion given to him on how to fault find, just a shot at him for misinterpreting an email.
Being the one he has put a quote in with, you have something to win from helping him out over all of us, I have nothing to win from this, but am trying to help a new player in the game out. Sorry if the above offends you in any way as that is not the intention, im just saying he needs help, you can gain a positive outcome from that and he is looking to you for purchase.
John, we have all been at your age and level of experience, wanting to know where to start and where to gain the needed knowledge. It is a bit hard to get that knowledge from a forum sometimes as the only input for the repliers to a thread is a description of what is going on from your own mouth, no visual or physical contact with the fault you are trying to describe, so that is all we have to work off.
Do you have any family or friends with a sound mechanical knowledge who can help you nut it out or is a $14 Pedders check the best option for your budget? It might help to tell Pedders your budget is limited if you feel it is, and also tell them that you can only afford to fix the most worn parts of your suspension at that time, but will do the rest as soon as possible. That way they can tell you what you really need doing over what they feel should be done to give you a "like new" driving experience from your Magna. Whether you use this info to pay them or Mal is up to you, but it will give you a result. Just be wary, doing it yourself, means spring compressors, preferrably a compressor and rattle gun, jack stands and other tools. If you go down this route and it is your first time, find a way of mapping the job out.
Options to do this include:
-Take pictures or video, and mark where things went
Make sure you:
-Place spring compressors 180 degrees opposite each other on the spring, and tighten up the clamps until the load of the spring is taken off the spring seats.
-Make sure you compress the springs whilst still captive in the strut as removed from the car then undo the top nut otherwise you may have the assembly explode apart, put yourself in a world of hurt and have washers etc disappear.
-Make sure your bump stops, rubber shock cap etc are on the shock before reassembling to include the tops.
-Make sure you have the right shocks on the right side of your car. The brake line mount points toward the front of the car.
If you dont have the above tools, and a shop offers to do it for 1hrs labour, the best option is to take it, as even Super Cheap want just shy of $70 for 9 inch spring compressors and stands will be about $40 or so for cheapies. Best of luck with the outcome..
That is ok, sorry to mislead you or anyone else.
Who else makes them? When I meant supply, i meant where shops get their supplies. I didn't mention they wont bump, but that they may also creak when the car is jacked up, wheels are not on ground due to the bearings being shot. Springs may also move in the top seat if the bearings are shot.
You repair these everyday, yet have not given him an opinion on how to fault find, just shot him down for misinterpreting a conversation. Being the one he has put a quote in with, you have something to win from helping him, I have nothing to win from this but am trying to help a new player in the game out. Sorry if this offends you as that is not the intention, just saying he needs help, you can gain a positive outcome from that and he is looking to you for purchase.
John, we have all been at your age, wanting to know where to start and where to gain the needed knowledge. It is a bit hard to get it from a forum sometimes as the only input is a description of what is going on from your own mouth, no visual or physical contact, so that is all we have to work off. Do you have any family or friends with a sound mechanical knowledge who can help you nut it out or is a $14 Pedders check the best option for your budget? It might help to tell Pedders your budget is limited if it is and tell them you can only afford to fix the most worn parts of your suspension but will do the rest as soon as possible. That way they can tell you what you really need doing over what should be done to give you a like new driving experience. Whether you use this info to pay them or Mal is up to you, but it will give you a result. Just be wary, doing it yourself, means spring compressors, preferrably an a compressor and rattle gun, stands and other tools. If you go down this route and it is your first time, find a way of mapping the job out.
Options to do this include take pictures or video, mark where things went, compress springs on equal opposite sides and do so until the load is taken off the spring seats, compress whilst the strut is still in one piece as removed from the car then undo the top nut. Make sure your bump stops etc are on the shock before reassembling to include the tops. Make sure you have the right shocks on the right side. The brake line mount points toward the front of the car. If you dont have the above tools, and a shop offers to do it for 1hrs labour, take it, as even Super Cheap want just shy of $70 for 9 inch spring compressors and stands will be about $40 or so for cheapies. Best of luck..
Good post!....informative and helpful and to the point.
Madmagna
14-05-2012, 06:22 AM
mate what mileage do the pedders have on them when you pull them out?. of course if you are replacing something old with something new it will drive nicer.
also can you back up this statement of yours that you are basically saying they all sag. i have their coils in my tf and have no problem with them only problem i have is they arent low enough.
seems from where im sitting there is a lot of going off half cocked slagging off pedders without any actual facts. would this be for personal gain so people will buy from you by any chance?
Just going to reply to one statement BUT this applies to all
For starters, personal experience. I used to use Pedders and only Pedders, until I had my own car sag the back end over an inch in less than 6 months. Took the car to Pedders, the reply was to only half fill my fuel tank??????? This is by far not the first time I have heard of these issues as well as harsh ride quality as well. There was a site around that was put up by one of the former Pedders Franchise owners, Pedders sued this guy and had the site removed. Made very interesting reading and he had Pedders documents scanned into this site so was not just him ranting.
Mileage, one set I took out had been in the car approx 15k, owner was over being thrown around in the car. He put in same height Dobinsons and Boge, called me about a day later to tell me how different the car was. That to me is more than enough proof.
Before you start to accuse me of personal gain, I dont give a rats flying ass if you by from me or not, I as I stated used to sell pedders but as the quality is rubbish I dont any longer buy them but as I just said, before you start making accusations like that champ be very careful. Many buy many other brands from others aside from me (coil overs being one example) and that is their choice.
Now, as for the parts them self, if you know where to get them they are available. Some will charge a premium for hte parts, some will not
Knocking sounds can vary so much in the front end can be anything from a bush, a worn out damper, strut top, is too hard to give a definate direction to look thus why I do not confuse things with so many options when there are so many experts her it seems.......
Madmagna
14-05-2012, 06:26 AM
I have Gabriel struts. Been on the car for 10k. They seem alright compared to the pedders that were in there before. Any other reviews of them??
These are a good cheap alternative, in my opinion (and this is based from personal experience not just a google search as much information here in these forums seems to be)
Budget Stock : Gabriel or Monroe
Budget but want a little more performance : KYB (are over gassed however, this for the nay sayers has been pointed out by a few AMC members)
Good quality, still reasonable price : Boge
Upper end damper : Koni
Just going to reply to one statement BUT this applies to all
For starters, personal experience. I used to use Pedders and only Pedders, until I had my own car sag the back end over an inch in less than 6 months. Took the car to Pedders, the reply was to only half fill my fuel tank??????? This is by far not the first time I have heard of these issues as well as harsh ride quality as well. There was a site around that was put up by one of the former Pedders Franchise owners, Pedders sued this guy and had the site removed. Made very interesting reading and he had Pedders documents scanned into this site so was not just him ranting.
Mileage, one set I took out had been in the car approx 15k, owner was over being thrown around in the car. He put in same height Dobinsons and Boge, called me about a day later to tell me how different the car was. That to me is more than enough proof.
Before you start to accuse me of personal gain, I dont give a rats flying ass if you by from me or not, I as I stated used to sell pedders but as the quality is rubbish I dont any longer buy them but as I just said, before you start making accusations like that champ be very careful. Many buy many other brands from others aside from me (coil overs being one example) and that is their choice.
Now, as for the parts them self, if you know where to get them they are available. Some will charge a premium for hte parts, some will not
Knocking sounds can vary so much in the front end can be anything from a bush, a worn out damper, strut top, is too hard to give a definate direction to look thus why I do not confuse things with so many options when there are so many experts her it seems.......
Ill back ya up with this Mal, a mate had pedders in and dare I say it, his SS commodore. Thought they were okay until he fitted king springs and Monroe shocks. Said it was a instant improvement and would never recommend pedders again.
johnvirus_01
14-05-2012, 07:16 AM
That is ok, sorry to mislead you or anyone else.
Who else makes them? When I meant supply, I meant where shops get their supplies.
I didn't mention that the top bearing plates wont make a knock when going over a bump, but that they may also creak when turning. This may be sighted by him when the car is jacked up and with the wheels off the ground. The springs may visibly move in the top seat if the bearings are shot and not allowing the top seat to move freely against the stuffed bearing.
Your job entails repairing these everyday, yet there has been no opinion given to him on how to fault find, just a shot at him for misinterpreting an email.
Being the one he has put a quote in with, you have something to win from helping him out over all of us, I have nothing to win from this, but am trying to help a new player in the game out. Sorry if the above offends you in any way as that is not the intention, im just saying he needs help, you can gain a positive outcome from that and he is looking to you for purchase.
John, we have all been at your age and level of experience, wanting to know where to start and where to gain the needed knowledge. It is a bit hard to get that knowledge from a forum sometimes as the only input for the repliers to a thread is a description of what is going on from your own mouth, no visual or physical contact with the fault you are trying to describe, so that is all we have to work off.
Do you have any family or friends with a sound mechanical knowledge who can help you nut it out or is a $14 Pedders check the best option for your budget? It might help to tell Pedders your budget is limited if you feel it is, and also tell them that you can only afford to fix the most worn parts of your suspension at that time, but will do the rest as soon as possible. That way they can tell you what you really need doing over what they feel should be done to give you a "like new" driving experience from your Magna. Whether you use this info to pay them or Mal is up to you, but it will give you a result. Just be wary, doing it yourself, means spring compressors, preferrably a compressor and rattle gun, jack stands and other tools. If you go down this route and it is your first time, find a way of mapping the job out.
Options to do this include:
-Take pictures or video, and mark where things went
Make sure you:
-Place spring compressors 180 degrees opposite each other on the spring, and tighten up the clamps until the load of the spring is taken off the spring seats.
-Make sure you compress the springs whilst still captive in the strut as removed from the car then undo the top nut otherwise you may have the assembly explode apart, put yourself in a world of hurt and have washers etc disappear.
-Make sure your bump stops, rubber shock cap etc are on the shock before reassembling to include the tops.
-Make sure you have the right shocks on the right side of your car. The brake line mount points toward the front of the car.
If you dont have the above tools, and a shop offers to do it for 1hrs labour, the best option is to take it, as even Super Cheap want just shy of $70 for 9 inch spring compressors and stands will be about $40 or so for cheapies. Best of luck with the outcome..
thanks for that but i was gonna DIY it but my dad dosent know how to put struts in so am gonna go with the place that dave suggested
MagnaP.I
14-05-2012, 07:29 AM
John buddy - check out this vid on lowering springs. It'll give you an idea of how the struts look and how to take them apart. Some great tips on how to replace your suspension and/or parts of your strut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT_jgVqxH5U
johnvirus_01
14-05-2012, 12:03 PM
its that easy eh???
thanks magna pi anyway
MagnaP.I
14-05-2012, 01:14 PM
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
Replacing struts are not that difficult. I've done it a good few times. Doesn't require an expert.
Only part of the process where you need a professional is for the wheel alignment you do after you change the strut, and maybe fitting and adjusting the camber bolt if you're concerned about the added camber the car will have after it's lowered.
magnafreak
14-05-2012, 03:02 PM
@ madmagna i may have went in a bit too hot on my last post. all i was trying to get at was how people can slag off a whole company and say all their products do this or that
when they havent actually had dealings with every single store in the country. i mean its shit that the odd store here or there have done shifty stuff or sold bad products and have bad after sales service.
but is even more shit that the stores doing the right thing by the customers still get tarred with the same brush. and before you ask yes i do work for them and i accept no cash for comment lol.
sorry if i offended anybody or got anyone offside.....cheers gav
@ madmagna i may have went in a bit too hot on my last post. all i was trying to get at was how people can slag off a whole company and say all their products do this or that
when they havent actually had dealings with every single store in the country. i mean its shit that the odd store here or there have done shifty stuff or sold bad products and have bad after sales service.
but is even more shit that the stores doing the right thing by the customers still get tarred with the same brush. and before you ask yes i do work for them and i accept no cash for comment lol.
sorry if i offended anybody or got anyone offside.....cheers gav
Surely its not a store-specific problem though? All i hear is how shit pedders stuff is in general.
CanberraVR-X
04-01-2013, 06:46 PM
Keep away from Pedders, its shit.
Talk to Mal off here and see what he can do with Dobinsons/KYB/Boge gear.
More accurately, Pedders workshops are rubbish.
Those struts have just been fitted to my TJ VR-X by a private garage, and they are great.
CanberraVR-X
04-01-2013, 06:47 PM
...All i hear is how shit pedders stuff is in general.
Yep. All you hear. Try them.
Yep. All you hear. Try them.
Ive had them in for the last 10,000km and they were 2nd hand. Very happy with them and quite a stiff spring. Cannot fault them.
Madmagna
04-01-2013, 07:09 PM
Peddlers products are also rubbish and that is from personal experience. May feel ok but if you have shagged suspension anything will feel ok. Net in a car with quality stuff and you then realise how bad they are
johnvirus_01
18-02-2013, 03:26 PM
hi all just jump-starting this thread instead of a new one
got front shocks, however they come with bump stops
i also need new strut tops, but dont know what i need
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o544/johnvirus_01/20130218_173948_zps33a43701.jpg
thats one of the strut tops(the other is alright) but my dads mechanic was saying that i need something under the strut top???
heres the diagram from the mits catalogue to explain what im talking about
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o544/johnvirus_01/20130218_114704_zps0747dd1e.jpg
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