Hi. Im saving up for a Black Ralliart Magna with very low kms on it so i can have it for a long time

I want to get smokey black tail lights for it. Darker than legal tint. And prolly black rins for it (may leave original ones on)

Anyway the factory power output is 180kws.

I want to go get it a dyno tune and carbon clean to increase performane.

Is there anyway I can get the Ralliart to 200kws doing a dyno to remap the ecu?

Or will there be other things involved. I can't really go over 200kw cos im a green P plater

Oh and my curnt veihicle is a 2001 tj magna executive 3.5L

Im not planning on adding anything to it except my Evo 6 wing that I took off my wrecked Lancer. Maybe some alloys too

Skr tune to 98 will give you a few kw. A ralliart is already a bloody quick car. What do you need all the power for?

Well my friend has a red ralliart magna. Completly standard.

I just wanna make mine a little more powerfull. And the legal limit for p platers is 200kw. So might aswell aim for it ;)

And thanks!

Pretty sure it's illegal to do mods that add power. Not sure in QLD, but its definitely illegal in Vic. The ralliart will get you attention - make no mistake. You really don't want the police all over you like a fat kid on a smartie.

The ralliart was probably the best the 6G74 could do without serious mods done to it. The ecu was retuned and the 180kw is probably the upper limit before you really start upping the anti with bigger injectors, advanced timing, new cams etc
Anything more you'd probably need to look into inducting it or stripping it down and redoing all the internals. Only a few members have ventured into extracting more power from them without F/I and it's cost a lot of money and time with varying results.

Besides why do you want more than 180kw? Have you driven a ralliart? It's flippen fast - dangerously fast for a P plater in my opinion. Get a manual and trust me you won't want more power. Anything more and you'll pretty much axle tramp and/or light up the fronts the minute you put your foot down. You have to remember that fwd has a limit on how much power it can handle. Even a manual vrx starts to reach the limit of what kind of power should be put through the front wheels of a large car.

Finding a low km black ralliart could be difficult. Be prepared to wait and spend up to 14-15k for a clean example.

If you want a properly fast car, wait for your P plates to be over, do a defensive driver course, get some experience and buy something properly fast like something from Japan - WRX, Evo, S15, Skyline etc

Oh yer very true haha

Well getting the performance increased in it wasn't one of my main goals. Just making it look more black was. I still might give it a carbon clean and a dyno anyway since its a 10year old car to get back sone robbed hp.

Thanks for the input!

I'd advise reconsidering getting a black car.

Sure they look awesome, but... it takes a lot of time and effort to keep a black car looking clean & schmick. They show every bit of dirt, every chip, mark, scratch & dent and keeping the swirls out of the paint is a PITA. Black cars are also less visible on the road and thus more likely to be involved in an accident (can be particularly nasty on the open road when someone in the opposite direction doesn't see you oncoming and attempts to overtake at 140km).

I'd agree, black cars are harder to keep clean, show up all the scratches, swirl marks, etc.
They have also been reported to be more likely to be in an accident due to visibility compared to white cars in daylight.

But then I look at mine and still smile. :happy:


As for the OP's wish to get a Black Ralliart - while you're still on your P's the Ralliart should have more than enough power to satisfy you. Don't be in too much of a hurry for power & speed, get some experience behind you and enjoy the car for what it is rather than what it could be.
I'd concentrate on the upkeep of the mechanics such as ensuring she's running the best she can in stock form before worrying about any modifications. Things such as a good service & tune, etc. like you've already mentioned.

Again, black cars are fine to upkeep if you use decent technique and products.

Mine does not have any swirls, in fact my old black sable magna didnt either, and it was 8 years old.

Decent wash products plus technique such as two bucket method and grit guards in the bucket stop swirls completely. A decent wax as well, in particular a wax that maintains its coat for upwards of 3 months at a time

Again, black cars are fine to upkeep if you use decent technique and products.

Mine does not have any swirls, in fact my old black sable magna didnt either, and it was 8 years old.

Decent wash products plus technique such as two bucket method and grit guards in the bucket stop swirls completely. A decent wax as well, in particular a wax that maintains its coat for upwards of 3 months at a time

Road grime, mud, rainy weather will make any black car (or dark pigment for that matter) looked trashed compared to a lighter shade car driven in the same conditions.

I've got a barossa red falcon and a kashmir verada... it is much harder to keep the falcon looking good. I've been really busy of late and haven't washed either for about 4 months, the verada looks somewhat respectable whilst the BA looks absolutely trashed.

Most people don't have the time, knowledge or patience required to maintain a black car.

Perhaps focus on finding the car that you want before you get too caught up on what to do to it.

I mean this as no personal attack, but this thread just screams immature hoon to me, focusing so much on what performance modifications you can do to a car you don't even own just so you can have something that has the potential to be a quicker car than your friends. My suggestion is get your priorities straight while your new to driving by focusing on building experience and skill, worry about the performance of the car when you have the experience to handle it and be safe in control of it. There's a reason they have power restrictions in place, and modification limitations to match.

...and at the end of the day, if you did take the car to a LEGAL off-street drag event or track day, a well maintained Ralliart will probably beat a not-so-well maintained Ralli-rat.
I say probably because some will come down to driver skill and I'm also lead to believe some Ralliart's came off the factory floor better than others as well. (not confirmed)

Road grime, mud, rainy weather will make any black car (or dark pigment for that matter) looked trashed compared to a lighter shade car driven in the same conditions.

I've got a barossa red falcon and a kashmir verada... it is much harder to keep the falcon looking good. I've been really busy of late and haven't washed either for about 4 months, the verada looks somewhat respectable whilst the BA looks absolutely trashed.

Most people don't have the time, knowledge or patience required to maintain a black car.

Unless you use a decent wax that repels water and dirt properly

Unless you use a decent wax that repels water and dirt properly

Which products do you recommend Dave? I'd be quite interested to test on my dust magnet BA.

You won't get 200 out of a ralliart without internals.

Perhaps focus on finding the car that you want before you get too caught up on what to do to it.

I mean this as no personal attack, but this thread just screams immature hoon to me, focusing so much on what performance modifications you can do to a car you don't even own just so you can have something that has the potential to be a quicker car than your friends. My suggestion is get your priorities straight while your new to driving by focusing on building experience and skill, worry about the performance of the car when you have the experience to handle it and be safe in control of it. There's a reason they have power restrictions in place, and modification limitations to match.

I agree with this 100%. I'm on other forums and one of them in particular has a very strong young presence and sadly this seems the approach that so many new p platers have. They forget that they need to build their experience first before they even think about getting something powerful. I still think the ralliart magna should be banned for P platers - heck even a VRX manual magna is powerful enough. It has more than enough understeer & torque steer to make it a danger to anyone inexperienced.

The ralliart magna is fast enough as it is stock. Take your mates ralliart out for a spin and see for yourself. You should not and legally cannot do any performance modifications. Therefore consider twice before you want to cause yourself problems with the law - not only for issues with loosing your license, paying fines but also for insurance purposes because if you have an accident and the insurance company finds out that you made illegal (for P platers) modifications you will be paying for the damages yourself and have a black mark against your name.

Which products do you recommend Dave? I'd be quite interested to test on my dust magnet BA.

A bloody good wax like swissvax endurance that uses teflon and 40% grade 1 carnauba. And using a decent pre-wax cleaner like dodo juice lime prime.

ralliart already has performance mods done to it
-extractors
-free flowing exhaust
-upgraded cams
-upgraded valve springs
-headwork/valve de-shrounding
-fairly well tuned for 91 and up

a tune for 98 with a little more advance might get you a bees dick extra, but you risk engine damage running on lower octane fuel as these engines don't have a knock sensor
supercharger/turbocharger will get you more power
380 engine is possibly more powerful, but you can stick that in the magna you have now anyway.
or, buy norbys car, 190kw at the front wheels, but its white not black.

If you want 200kw buy an aurion.

Buy an AWD magna and stick a 380 motor in it.

If you want a land boat buy an aurion.

Yes :)

Buy a 380 gt or VRX

Buy a 380 gt or VRX

Because he can pull a few extra thousand out of his ass for one of those? Not to mension he wants more power.

buy my car and put ralliart kit on it ;)

buy my car and put ralliart kit on it ;)

Who cares about the kit. He's a P plater, it would be better to have a sleeper than a 'look at me' ralliart.

Think that 200kw rule would be broken... haha :D

Dude, buy a stock executive and learn to drive first. I can almost guarantee you'll have a prang on your first car, and you dont want that to be a ralliart. If you write an exec off, no one cares.

This is why I'm going to atleast get through my reds and halfway through my greens before I buy my dad's FG XR50 off him.

Doing a 6G75 conversion with Ralliart tune & extractors is P Plate legal. They can do mid 13sec 1/4 mile times making it the fastest P Plate legal set up I know of by removing alot of standard detachables that will reduce weight like the 30kg Alpine Subwoofer & 21.25kg Spare tyre etc & having decent performance tyres equiped.