Where can I get a set of decent cams, RPW scares me... Does anybody else sell off the shelf items, or will they have to be custom ground?

I think Tighe cams have off the shelf cams.

What do you mean they scare you? They are a reputable company

What do you mean they scare you? They are a reputable company

Many people beg to differ..

Do a little searching on cam profiles here on the forums. I believe there's a few custom profiles around that you could get ground.

SuFz

What do you mean they scare you? They are a reputable company

haha dont make me post a picture of their "workshop" up :P

mate chris was a diagnostician/tech (mostly the former) at paceways which is the closest mitsi dealer to where daves "workshop" is. He tells me very seriously that dave thomas was brilliant for their business as he was contantly either coming over for fresh parts, but more regularly bringing customers cars over that he'd broken (usually in the course of his "tuning" mind you, off the shelf bits might not be as bad)

no wait scratch that (members who know what im talking about will know how punny those four words were!) there was that issue with the onsold quaife lsd... great business practises

What is so bad with RPW?
Every Mitsubishi forum seems to hate them and I am wondering whether this is well founded or if a small minority of people had problems (and this is nothing out of the ordinary) and the rumor escalated and became fact.
I have talked to Dave both via phone and email and he's always been helpful. I also purchased extractors and other small bits from him which I was happy with, granted I felt they were a bit overpriced, however no one else offers such a range of parts for these cars so maybe R&D costs need to be covered.

A few members that I know quite well and myself have ordered parts and either been supplied with the wrong bits.. parts the don't fit.. half the parts or not what was ordered.

Then to ice the cake.. communication stopped completely.

But let's not turn OPs thread into a tell my sad story thread..

Back on Topic!

If you do a little research you can get a profile that suits what you want outta your car..

If you ask around.. someone should be able to shed some light on how much lift/duration the 6G motor can handle.. all you need to do is work out how crazy you wanna go..

SuFz

I think rpw cams are reasonable. Don't they sell tighe cams anyway?

I have heard good things about Kelford cams they are in NZ so chances are they offer off the shelf cams for diamante but being cam manufacturers they will be able to make whatever you need.

Oh yeah and from my own personal experience beware of RPW chances are you will get burned.

RPW :facepalm. I'll shoot tighe an email, they have a SOHC v6 pajero listed on their website, so a magna should be no problem.

I really want to know what cams Norbys running. Such a sweet set. Aggressive as hell but it'll still chill at 800rpm if you want it to.

RPW cams are from Tighe!


If you want a set of cams made, don't go for off the shelf grinds, go for custom grinds which you then go to a local cam shop to get checked for the same specs as you ordered.

Nobody else (performance shop wise) does Camshafts. You want other cams, go buy a cam, take it to a machine shop that has a Cnc machine and get them to make you blanks.

Then take your blanks to a grinder who you trust.

Do some more reading before sprouting BS please! If you have any other questions, PM ME!

Wondering who the "sprouting BS" comment is directed at?

tbh, everyone

nobody has done their research at all, or personally spoken to anybody who has used RPW or their products. RPW is dodgy as ****, but they are the only company who sells custom billet camshafts

I have a friend who is manufacturing 6G billet camshafts privately, but he wont release his results on this forum until he has tested all of his products and seen the performance gains. I have personally seen the results on a 6G75 non mivec, and to be honest for what it was (a regrind for now) it made a big difference

Fair enough. I think regrinds are actually not bad, the welding/build up processes used these days are almost as good as starting from a billet.

Kelford have an excellent rep both here and overseas.
http://http://www.kelford.co.nz/camshafts (http://www.kelford.co.nz/camshafts)

Kelford seem like a good bet. May need to send some emails I think.

Dealt with rpw from Melbourne and when I had a problem with one of their products it conveniently went missing and then Dave denied denied denied so I stopped dealing with hom.
I have successfully dealt with mobs in the USA to import evo X brakes and egland for other parts and I received top notch service.
Free advice...forget rpw

I just recently had a 3.8l put into my car by a good friend the car hauls so much better. Seems like its possible that the 3.8l has a better top end then my 3.5l. But I'm wanting a cam so the car easily revs to the rev limiter and likes to. Wat does anyone recommend or think?

I just recently had a 3.8l put into my car by a good friend the car hauls so much better. Seems like its possible that the 3.8l has a better top end then my 3.5l. But I'm wanting a cam so the car easily revs to the rev limiter and likes to. Wat does anyone recommend or think?

Do you drive the car as a daily? Stage 2 Rpw cam or equivelent is about as extreme as you'd want to go in a daily. Should see good gains with it aswell. Stage 1 will give gains but i don't know if it's worth the thousands it costs to buy the cam, install it and tune the car again.

The best camshafts are the ones that came on the improved production Magnas that didn't make it out of the factory. Doctor something camshafts. Mitsi-Bits boss Ian knows what there called. They have a very nice idle but you can only get them through Mitsi-Bits in SA who get them supplied from Tighe camshafts who design them & are ideal for street use. Mitsi-Bits stated on the 6G75 with the 98 octane & Ralliart ECU tweak, Extractors & those camshafts it gave the car 205kw-210kw at the wheels.

Dr Johns!.......... just to add to that & save wasting everyones time, they don't do that cam service anymore.
They also run much "bigger" cams these days in their IP Magna's..

Dr Johns!.......... just to add to that & save wasting everyones time, they don't do that cam service anymore.
They also run much "bigger" cams these days in their IP Magna's..

Thanks for the name, Ian stated he does still do the service for the Doctor Johns as they are designed for street use but need the 98 octane ECU tweak to run & are an upgrade from the 380/Ralliart Magna camshafts but Mitsubishi never put them into the Magnas despite doing the designs for them which Mitsi Bits had & sent off to tighe Camshafts for them to design. When Tighe complete the camshafts - they send them back to Mitsi Bits for them to implement into consumer cars while the bigger ones your talking about are for track use which Ian states is not suitable for street use & are a upgrade from the Dr Johns although Ian stated they didn't fit as well as the Dr Johns & we were talking about street use going back to the original post question - just to save wasting everyones time.

Last I heard Tighe's specs on these were "hit & miss" & M-B wasn't going to bother with them anymore.
If they've sorted this issue now, then great!
Just didn't want to see Ian at M-B get inundated with calls for nothing.

Yes I understand which go where.... I run some based on the original Dr J's.

Last I heard Tighe's specs on these were "hit & miss" & M-B wasn't going to bother with them anymore.
If they've sorted this issue now, then great!
Just didn't want to see Ian at M-B get inundated with calls for nothing.

Yes I understand which go where.... I run some based on the original Dr J's.

Are you a troll as you have provided alot of indiscretion for your uploads at what I'm saying, Mal has stated this on the camshafts your talking about for track purposes & inconsistancies from Tighe with them but not for the Dr Johns as he dosen't get the Doctor Johns & Ian at Mitsi Bits stated the same except they get the Doctor Johns & fit them as the street use camshafts which they haven't had problems with.

The specs for the Dr John cams I also have here and even have someone here reliable who would be more than willing to make them up but as discussed on the phone I am not willing to simply copy someone elses work. I would suggest going through Mitsibits and get them to arrange them for you and then if you want we can fit them here prior to getting SKR (who is the best person to tune) to tune the set up for you. This would be the best outcome and probably the easiest

BTW, Al (Zero) is not a troll, Al has been around these forums for many years and has seen many people come and go over the years. He has these cams in his car with a 3.8l motor as well so he does know what he is talking about. The issue on forums like these is when you start talking cams and where they come from all of a sudden the poor company will get thousands of calls from teenage dreamers who think that the pocket money they earn at maccas on friday evenings will be enough to get them another 1000kw. A business such as Mitsibits or my business has better things to do than be tied up on the phone all day from some kid who has read something on a forum which they have little to no understanding about and more to the point no funding or probably intention of following through on. Harsh yes, true even more. Al if you agree please dont hesitate to comment

Are you a troll as you have provided alot of indiscretion for your uploads at what I'm saying, Mal has stated this on the camshafts your talking about for track purposes & inconsistancies from Tighe with them but not for the Dr Johns as he dosen't get the Doctor Johns & Ian at Mitsi Bits stated the same except they get the Doctor Johns & fit them as the street use camshafts which they haven't had problems with.


Jaimsey, i admit post counts and join dates can be misleading, but did you at least even have a look at zero's ride thread before suggesting he was a troll?!?

I'm guessing not, and I also add zero has been quite helpful not just to myself personally but to many others on this, AND on other Mitsubishi forums.
And yes tighe did have well documented (on this forum) problems with magna cams, we all hope they have since fixed them.

To be honest, because you seem a little cynical, this forum has far more helpful, and far less time wasting individuals than a lot of other car forums.


Back to cams though, the current IPRA cams (past few years afaik) have been making around 230-235kw@wheels but they are far from streetable.

As for the dr john based cams, while i know they are a lot better than stock factory cams, i don't see them making
205-210KW@wheels.
I would have thought a maximum of around 170@ wheels for dr John originals for an engine with just extractors cam and tune.

I could be wrong, but do you have any names of people running them and getting 205-210, or dyno sheets etc?



(Mal, just read your post after putting mine up and I could not agree more! This is the exact same issue another person who has been designing performance magna cams had, so many people who wanted big time power for little time money, or just wanted just free info.)

The specs for the Dr John cams I also have here and even have someone here reliable who would be more than willing to make them up but as discussed on the phone I am not willing to simply copy someone elses work. I would suggest going through Mitsibits and get them to arrange them for you and then if you want we can fit them here prior to getting SKR (who is the best person to tune) to tune the set up for you. This would be the best outcome and probably the easiest

BTW, Al (Zero) is not a troll, Al has been around these forums for many years and has seen many people come and go over the years. He has these cams in his car with a 3.8l motor as well so he does know what he is talking about. The issue on forums like these is when you start talking cams and where they come from all of a sudden the poor company will get thousands of calls from teenage dreamers who think that the pocket money they earn at maccas on friday evenings will be enough to get them another 1000kw. A business such as Mitsibits or my business has better things to do than be tied up on the phone all day from some kid who has read something on a forum which they have little to no understanding about and more to the point no funding or probably intention of following through on. Harsh yes, true even more. Al if you agree please dont hesitate to commenton.

I disagree with your analysis & personal attacks at me - sorry. I don't think what I was asking is inappropriate based on zeros uploads on what I'm saying contrary to your attacks as to what you said about me with regard what I do & what you view as the harsh truth on me, but maybe its not zeros fault if the administrator is setting the standards for attacks in this way. But I think I would be in a better position to judge what I do for a living than you would as I have never worked for McDonalds or maybe I should ask the question as to what times I am rostered for each week I work. I'm not a time waster as I have had alot of work done threw Mits Fix if you look at my profile page about section if thats what these attacks are about & have recommended it to others who have got work done at Mits Fix which I paid for at times as you know - another sign of not working for McDonalds. You also haven't stated how I was wrong if what your saying is about Mits-Fix as they wont design the Dr Johns camshafts like you stated & you recommended what I have been saying on how to go about doing it. Apologies are not something inappropriate when necesary.

Brett H

Like I said I disagree in some ways but each to their own, I'm not holding anything against anyone. Mitsi-Bits don't have a dyno readout for their 270kw at the wheels Magna, I'm just going off the video on youtube, the comments there on it, what others have stated on it & what Ian has told me about it. He is a nice guy & he survived a horrific car accident to try to get the best job as you notice from the video. Type this into youtube watch?v=cGXW_hQr2F8
If you don't want people to comment than why have it as a option open to everyone if thats the case. Being here for a long time dosen't automatically excempt people from dishing out personal attacks & not expect a form of countenance or is this how this forum works, I hope not but I'm not administration either. I even saw a link on what movie is out at the moment & if anyone has seen it & if they like it which no one has attacked in line with your words on time wasting individuals on forums. You can't say that uploading that is a bigger waste of time than me answering questions on posts that haven't been answered yet. Should I ask the question if anyone has something against me & if anyone else has been treated this way? I'm just wanting to be treated fairly & not like the garbage that got thrown out yesterday.
The 205kw-210kw at the wheels figures was what they told me at Mitsi Bits about the Dr Johns camshafts on a 6G75 with Ralliart & 98 octane tweaks, extractors & exhaust made which was the original set up before the changes were implemented on the capacity & power output of the motor which was NA.

Sorry about this post but computer is playing up.

Mate, read my post before you accuse me of insulting you FFS

I did not say YOU work at maccas, I said if zero posted such details then every kid who works at maccas would call them for info about these cams not realising that power costs money and the business would be spending all their time on the phone instead of earning money

Also, don't try this administrator bs here mate, you had a go at zero, NO ONE had a go at you

I appreciate your business but again my business and my defending forum members are totally different things

No-one treated you like garbage that I can see.

As i actually stated in my post, simply being here for a long time desn't mean everything, but at least read someones ride thread and have a look what they have done to their car for proof!
Zero has spent thousands on his car as have I and others here, but never mind anybadvice because now you tube is showing 270kw@wheels yeah?

Mate, read my post before you accuse me of insulting you FFS

I did not say YOU work at maccas, I said if zero posted such details then every kid who works at maccas would call them for info about these cams not realising that power costs money and the business would be spending all their time on the phone instead of earning money

Also, don't try this administrator bs here mate, you had a go at zero, NO ONE had a go at you

I appreciate your business but again my business and my defending forum members are totally different things

Geez whats the world coming too. Madmagna, looked at jaimsey021 profile about section & he has spent thousands at Mits-Fix with his car. He also replyed with your original quote which your denying now due to him voicing his rights in the light of the attacks. You also have come across as someone not interested in your own field of work & invoking other businesses like Mitsi Bits to the same level with your supporters, do you expect people to hand over thousands of dollars without asking questions about it. Forgive me for supporting what jaimsey021 stated but I couldn't help but agree with his defence at the attacks. Goodbye AMC.

I fail to see why the OP feels under attack ....... none of the above posts from my point of view, including mine were intended that way..... rolls eyes

Geez whats the world coming too. Madmagna, looked at jaimsey021 profile about section & he has spent thousands at Mits-Fix with his car. He also replyed with your original quote which your denying now due to him voicing his rights in the light of the attacks. You also have come across as someone not interested in your own field of work & invoking other businesses like Mitsi Bits to the same level with your supporters, do you expect people to hand over thousands of dollars without asking questions about it. Forgive me for supporting what jaimsey021 stated but I couldn't help but agree with his defence at the attacks. Goodbye AMC.

For crying out loud, are you just stupid or just plain not able to read

I DID NOT SAY THE OP WAS THE ONE WHO WORKED AT MACCAS FFS.....I WAS STATING THAT ..... the reason that Zero did not just put up the details for the PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THESE CAMS DONE is because then every tom, dick and harry will inundate this business with calls about these cams, they will mostly be the people who have no intention of buying these cams generally because they can not afford the cams in the first place given that they are generally well over the $1k mark and then the business has to deal with loss of real business because their phones are always tied up with wishful thinkers.

Promoting another business....seriously.....again I do not do the cams, I did not design the profile for any of these cams and even though I have these profiles here until such a time as the appropriate person states to me I am able to use the then this is a no go zone. I do not believe in copying others work and calling my own. Same goes for SKR tunes, yes I have several here but will not put these on other customers cars unless Steve himself asks me to.

Jaimsey021 read 2 lines of a post I made and assumed that I was talking about him which I was not, again assumption is the mother of all **** ups

Flare, if you want to leave AMC after your second post then go right ahead and done let us stop you. People like you who jump in on their second post and clearly know SFA about a topic are not needed here. So what is your real username anyway???? Clearly you have been here under another and most likely banned username anyway ..... sigh

Geez whats the world coming too. Madmagna, looked at jaimsey021 profile about section & he has spent thousands at Mits-Fix with his car. He also replyed with your original quote which your denying now due to him voicing his rights in the light of the attacks. You also have come across as someone not interested in your own field of work & invoking other businesses like Mitsi Bits to the same level with your supporters, do you expect people to hand over thousands of dollars without asking questions about it. Forgive me for supporting what jaimsey021 stated but I couldn't help but agree with his defence at the attacks. Goodbye AMC.

Goodbye Flare, "so long and thanks for all the fish".
Cheers,
GTVi

It's just a shame that cams for our magnas is such a hard part for our community to get opens talks abouts. Lots off people keep it hush hush. At the end off the day hopefully we get some off these grinds out there for people to get great gains and happiness out off. If i was ever smart enough or could design cams for a magna I would give out my specs or sell them. But hay thats just me. There's only one guy I know who does cams and they worked for me with gains is graham bell. BUT he's only one person and just can't do it all. I'm not 100% shore if he wants to keep selling or helping members in the future because off personal reasons But he's got a heart off gold. Doesn't bother him giving his specs out to people.

It's just a shame that cams for our magnas is such a hard part for our community to get opens talks abouts. Lots off people keep it hush hush. At the end off the day hopefully we get some off these grinds out there for people to get great gains and happiness out off. If i was ever smart enough or could design cams for a magna I would give out my specs or sell them. But hay thats just me. There's only one guy I know who does cams and they worked for me with gains is graham bell. BUT he's only one person and just can't do it all. I'm not 100% shore if he wants to keep selling or helping members in the future because off personal reasons But he's got a heart off gold. Doesn't bother him giving his specs out to people.

It is a real shame I agree, and it comes down to several factors.

-firstly is basic economics, there is low demand for magna cams or any performance stuff so prices will be high and suppliers/researchers will be limited. (Commodore or skyline cams etc will be cheaper)

-second is bad experiences in the past. initially there were bad cams/products etc done and everyone has responded with scepticism, and then as a result when anyone came up with a new product, there were plenty of people to criticise and not much else.

- thirdly is high research/development cost. Magna's were not a performance car as such, so did not have race teams spending mega dollars developing them, so any products were done privately and as such with very limited budgets.


I agree with you that graham bell certainly knows his stuff, was really good to liase with, and has only good intentions, and as such after i had purchased and tested his prototype cams i was more than happy to refer you, and anyone else who was really serious to him.

Before this however when he first started having information released on forums there was a lot of 'crap' and criticism thrown around, which was really unnecessary, and basically information from him dried up to an extent, not only for this reason but I'm guessing this was part of it.

Graham certainly had the knowledge etc but no-one was willing to put the money on the line to test it out, and he was not running a business set to profit from it.


As you know there are other very interesting magna developments yet to be completed/undertaken, but again when some details have been released to the forum there always seem to be a divided response of people who are interested in hearing and others whose first response is critism and disbelief etc.


The other thing is it does not just require the intellectual knowledge (specs etc), but also requires the right skills and right materials. Good Cam billets aren't cheap and cam grinders need to know the intricacies etc.

There are very different viewpoints out there also, and I have seen plenty of people telling me that it is easy to get over 200kw@ wheels from a N/A 6g engine, then others who state anything over 150 is BS.

I think it will take a fair bit of time, and proof of multiple results before people take notice and believe, whether that is cams from graham or mitsibts or tighe or whoever.