I am very interested in fitting ralliart cams.I know it has been discused on this forum already,and the total price for buying and fitting would be around the $1200 mark.Im just wondering if anyone has sucessfully installed them,and to which model and what gains etc....
I personally think with a few other mods this would prove to be a very productive mod, please give me some feed back back before I do this,or willI be the first??:P

I emailed the only authorised Ralliart supplier in WA and didn't ever get a reply...

http://www.crockenbergmotors.com.au/

I am very interested in fitting ralliart cams.I know it has been discused on this forum already,and the total price for buying and fitting would be around the $1200 mark.Im just wondering if anyone has sucessfully installed them,and to which model and what gains etc....
I personally think with a few other mods this would prove to be a very productive mod, please give me some feed back back before I do this,or willI be the first??:P

Not sure if your aware of this, but the apparently the ralliart cams are equivalent to 0.5 stage cams, for roughly the same price, why not go for RPW's stage one cams, and get more bang for your buck. Just a thought.

Not sure if your aware of this, but the apparently the ralliart cams are equivalent to 0.5 stage cams, for roughly the same price, why not go for RPW's stage one cams, and get more bang for your buck. Just a thought.
ahh for one they arent near the same price.

The ralliart cams are $550 for the set.

RPW charge an exhorbitant price of $1000 + depending on the person..

i think RPW does the stage one cams for about $1500 fitted, if the ralliart cams are $1200 fitted then i would think the extra $300 (if it can be afforded) would be far better money well spent. RPW cams would have much larger gains

If I remember rightly, the Stage-2 grinds are actually the same price (for the cams themselves), but you need some extra bits as well which will drive the price up a bit more.

i think RPW does the stage one cams for about $1500 fitted, if the ralliart cams are $1200 fitted then i would think the extra $300 (if it can be afforded) would be far better money well spent. RPW cams would have much larger gains
Somehow I dont think it would cost $700 in labour to install a set of ralliart cam's

Going by your logic if it costs around 1000 - 1100 for the cams from RPW.. thats $400 in labour.

So youd be paying 900 or so installed for the ralliart cams.. To top it off you get a decent warranty with far better customer service.. And its a Mitsubishi product...

Is 600 extra for dave's cams worth it.. guess its up to the consumer..

Mind you, we dont have any solid quotes to work with so its all heresay.

and considering that no one that we know of has done the ralli art cam upgrade to a magna we have no way of knowing what gains there are if any, so its upto u, i would recommend getting a before and after dyno so that you know wat u got!

There's 17kW (quoted) between the VR-X and the Ralliart Magna which is accounted for through headers, cams and a compression increase from 9.0:1 to 9.5:1 (or was that 9.5:1 -> 10:1?). My guess is the cams don't account for much up top, but give a nice boost around the mid rpm range.

Anyone with a (preferably stock) ralliart got a dyno graph so we can compare the power/torque curve with a lesser magna to look at the shape?

It's up to 9.4.

and considering that no one that we know of has done the ralli art cam upgrade to a magna we have no way of knowing what gains there are if any, so its upto u, i would recommend getting a before and after dyno so that you know wat u got!
Not true, I believe one of my fellow WA members has Ralliart cams, I remember blake discussing it a while ago and I think it may have been Risky-Rog ?

yeh, it was rog. not sure the gains he got. he sold the car shortly after.

trav

Heh heh... I spoke to a guy who knew someone with either a wagon or a Verada wagon, (not sure if they exist), and he fitted the cams himself and then pulled a high 13 second quarter mile run :bowrofl:

Yeah rog had them fitted to his TJ Sports auto tippy. He said the gains were awesome especially after 2800 RPM. His dad works for a dealer so he was able to source them pretty easy.

He had his installed for 480 but not sure where exactly.

480 installed jees for that price i would get them too, maybe someone should try and organise a group buy might be able to get them cheap

this was all covered in another thread b4, the ralliart also got some headwork, basically a valvegrind. also another thread somewhere has a lengthy in depth interview with rob campbell who was a major man in the whole ralliart development, he said (from memory) that they tried the cam in a otherwise stok motor and got only something like 5 kw gain

for me any decent stage 1 cam should be good for around 10% gain,so around 15kw not 5 pfft.

but then my experience of factory mild cams is that there is no problem of top end gain at the expense of bottom end, no huge fuel penalty, and an overall throaty/sporty note rather than too loud and lumpy, so it depends on what u want.

i find it hard to believe a n/a wagon ran a 13 with such a mild cam unless it had nitro as well :doubt:

Here's what I paid for for my "Diesel" RPW Stage 2 Cams, Valve Springs and Cam Sprockets.. :angry: Almost 2... I am not sure about labour coz I got mate's rates.. but it hsould be around 500 or so in relation to it taking about 5-6 hours to install...

Oh Yeah Bain is right... RPW Pricing = Parts + B U L L S H I T + C R A P = 2000 Bucks

someone hot happy with rpw
i dont believe

ah well we would have next to nothing to talk about here without rpw's gear...
why dosent someone if they get time do a bit of surf search and see what else cams are out there for magnas??? when i first got my car i phoned a couple of speed shop and was told nothing out there, but some time has passed since then....
some of the main big brands for aussie cars are Crane, Crow, CNC, Wade, Waggot.
it would be good to know the specs for lift/duration or at least the effective rev range, and best of all b4 and after dyno graphs if theres any. thats what i would want to see b4 buying :cool:

I have Ralliart cams in my car........ :D

I have Ralliart cams in my car........ :D

Me too..... :D

hehe smartarses ;)

Ralli//art cams are a little more than a .5 grind. They will improve the bottom end and midrange more than top end, but that's also a good thing, they are about $540 retail could get them cheaper but forget a group buy, Mit's wont sell them to easily. I could probably get them down to around the 470 mork, stuff heaps cheaper than RPW's ripoffs

[QUOTE=funky_fresian_cows]Ralli//art cams are a little more than a .5 grind. They will improve the bottom end and midrange more than top end, but that's also a good thing,

sounds like u r trying to sell triton or pajero 3.0 / 3.5 cams :doubt:

[QUOTE=funky_fresian_cows]Ralli//art cams are a little more than a .5 grind. They will improve the bottom end and midrange more than top end, but that's also a good thing,

sounds like u r trying to sell triton or pajero 3.0 / 3.5 cams :doubt:

Keh!!!!! I must be tired or something cause that just don't make sense....

Hey if you don't want them no skin off my nose but I'll be getting them through work for sure

just the way u described the effective rev-range, sounded like the way the 6G's in the 4wd's and commercials are cammed,
actually i would get the r/a cams off u at that price, but dont think they will go into the 3.0, different dizzy drive i think. :cool:

At least with Ralliart cams you'd get a warranty you can count on

Ralli//art cams are a little more than a .5 grind. They will improve the bottom end and midrange more than top end, but that's also a good thing, they are about $540 retail could get them cheaper but forget a group buy, Mit's wont sell them to easily. I could probably get them down to around the 470 mork, stuff heaps cheaper than RPW's ripoffs
I'm interested, will be in touch come pay day. =)

how much are we looking at to get ralliart cams installed?
if its decent i would be interested in buying these too

do we know for sure yet wether or not they will go into a 3.0l

do you think they would go on my vrx and give me any extra power seeing as mine is super charged all ready if they will i'll get some next week

Hard to say. Probably a small gain as seeing as though there's boost involved, air will be forced in regardless.

Hard to say. Probably a small gain as seeing as though there's boost involved, air will be forced in regardless.

when boost is involved u look at a very different cam profile to n/a performance, and thendifferent again between turbo and s/c. with boost u can not have much extra overlap/duration becuase the pressure can either blow the fuel straight out the exhaust port b4 ignition, or with turbo if exhaust valve is open too long, backpressure from turbo can get exhaust gas back into combustion chamber. so u basically only want a grind with more lift and very little if any extra duration.

when boost is involved u look at a very different cam profile to n/a performance, and thendifferent again between turbo and s/c. with boost u can not have much extra overlap/duration becuase the pressure can either blow the fuel straight out the exhaust port b4 ignition, or with turbo if exhaust valve is open too long, backpressure from turbo can get exhaust gas back into combustion chamber. so u basically only want a grind with more lift and very little if any extra duration.
Yup, and seeing as though the Ralliart cams were only supposed to have an increase in lift and not overlap, then there's probably no reason not to use them. Considering that it's based on a family sedan, built by a conservative manufacturer and SOHC, I'd doubt there's much in the way of overlap anyway. Obviously you'd need to take a technical look at the cam specs and their desired use.

yes sorry if that was misleading, i didnt mean rallairt cam was too big for boost, just the typical stage 2 or 3 n/a 270-290 degree bump stick :cool:

built by a conservative manufacturer and SOHC, I'd doubt there's much in the way of overlap anyway.

There is no reason a SOHC can't have a decent amount of overlap, it's just that the window wil be smaller and harder to modify aftermarket compared to a DOHC setup :P

There is no reason a SOHC can't have a decent amount of overlap, it's just that the window wil be smaller and harder to modify aftermarket compared to a DOHC setup :P
Correct but just putting the Magna cams into context: she aint no hot rod.

Useless information: Hot rod stems from the use of upgraded valve train dating back to the use of push rods. Oh, hang on, Holden / HSV are still making hot rods :bowrofl:

Correct but just putting the Magna cams into context: she aint no hot rod.

Useless information: Hot rod stems from the use of upgraded valve train dating back to the use of push rods. Oh, hang on, Holden / HSV are still making hot rods :bowrofl:

Hot chicks still make hotrods lol