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Djukic95
23-10-2012, 06:37 PM
Hi, would anyone know where to buy a piggyback chip that comes with installation... preferably somewhere in Sydney ? Also what is the price that i would be looking at? And what do i expect to gain fuel/power wise from the chip?

Stormie
24-10-2012, 09:08 AM
unichip "q" version, or a chiptorque exede units have both been installed on members cars. as far as i know no haltech has ever been installed on a 380.
Id imaging youd be looking at around $1500 installed but ask fooz or treeadeyman (KJ)- think they both have interceptors.
Gains arent large but if youve exhausted all other common modding areas first may be worthwhile.

TreeAdeyMan
24-10-2012, 12:07 PM
unichip "q" version, or a chiptorque exede units have both been installed on members cars. as far as i know no haltech has ever been installed on a 380.
Id imaging youd be looking at around $1500 installed but ask fooz or treeadeyman (KJ)- think they both have interceptors.
Gains arent large but if youve exhausted all other common modding areas first may be worthwhile.

Yep, Stormie is on the money.
Around $1000 to buy a new Unichip Q or Chiptorque Xede and another $500 to have it fitted.
And that's probably the low end of the prices, you could be looking closer to $2,000 all up.
I just had a dyno run with and without the Xede in the loop (I have a blanking plug) and it dropped 16kw atw (call it 20kw at the fly) with the Xede out of the loop.
A bit more torque in the mid range and up top, and it winds out further, faster & cleaner. Not by a lot but enough that it's noticable.
The other advantage is a much leaner (less rich) AFR at WOT, so your "leadfoot" fuel economy improves by around 10%. Mine drops from high 13s to low 11s at the top end. Fairly conservatively tuned, not leaned out too much otherwise I risk overheating and melted pistons. But no change at low to mid-range revs, so cruising at say 2,000 rpm on the freeway you won't see any improvement in fuel economy.

TreeAdeyMan
24-10-2012, 02:41 PM
So you dropped from 143kw atw to 127 kw atw without the piggyback? (less than a stock auto 380 with zero mods) ?

Wow....looking at your sig you sure have had some funny dyno results.

Yep, tell me about it!

Sure doesn't feel like I've lost 40 odd killerwasps in the last three years, and the guys at Classic Performance reckon the last drop from153 to 143 was 100% due to switching from 17" to 19" rims and the extra weight of the 19s.

The first runs at SKR which showed 183 were most likely false readings and the second set of runs about a year later showing 170 were probably closer to the truth.

Rumor has it that the SKR dyno is very optimistic and the Classic Performance dyno is very pessimistic, either the dynos themselves or the way they are set up & operated, pretty much at the opposite ends of the scales for Mainline dynos in SA.

Another thing I just realised - the SKR runs were all in 3rd gear and the Classic Performance runs were all in 4th gear. Could explain some of the difference.

Foozrcool
24-10-2012, 09:10 PM
No way your car ever did 183 or 170 or even 153 atw....

the 140 sounds only mildly optimistic, I say stick with that one. lol

I disagree ...... 170 sounds realistic

RightNow?
25-10-2012, 07:22 PM
Re: original post,

Don't get a piggy back until you exhaust your other modding opportunities. You won't get the most bang for buck.
You will also need to get your car re-tuned after every mod you complete to ensure its optimised for your current setup.

Re: everyone else,

Who gives a flying hell? Start a new thread about the physics of dynos, that discussion has no real relevance here...

Madmagna
26-10-2012, 08:39 AM
Sigh....if you are asssisting with the OP question about the chip then please feel free to chime in, if not "go away"

Many posts deleted as usual, totally off topic and getting personal, no more warnings will be given

Madmagna
26-10-2012, 04:01 PM
Gains will really depend on how the chip is tuned.

The statement that you will gain zero simply comes from someone who has NFI what is being asked here or has never fitted / had one fitted in the past (or if has had one done did not get done properly). The OEM tunes are conserative to ensure that joe blow can drive the car for ever and not risk lean outs, pre ignition etc etc. The piggyback will alter some of the parameters such as fuel and spark (not as well as a retune would if it could be done on a 380) and will allow for some slightly more aggressive spark, more fuel etc etc so YES there can be gains, not huge but they are there to be found.

Knotched
28-10-2012, 02:43 PM
Oh, he's gone. I could've posted my before and afters from Chip Torque....

RightNow?
28-10-2012, 06:47 PM
Post it anyway please Knotched, I'm curious!

Mitsu Miyagi
29-10-2012, 06:42 PM
i'd like to know as well

ive only had custom tunes done by chiptorque when i did cam changes on my falcons. Downside to the tunes was lumpy cam doesnt sound so lumpy afterwards

chiptorque are good at what they do, they certainly like to charge an arm & a leg.

Neil Byers
01-12-2012, 06:16 PM
I have fitted piggybacks to both race cars (South african unit supplied by Sprintex, same as the blown Ralliart 220's) not a great gain, but a gain in hp and tq and flater curves. For the street, don't bother.

Knotched
04-12-2012, 01:54 PM
In the Dyno Charts thread I have posted my charts in #3. I'm at work ATM so these charts aren't visible to me (blocked) but you should be able to see three colour traces and from memory the black was the original and I think red was after with the low map and blue the high map.

There was a 7KW gain from when the car went in to coming out due to improving the AFRs which were from 10:1 to 11:1.