Did the first oil change on my TL, surprised to find a Z411 filter on the car whereas I was expecting a Z456.
I have both, Z411 for the wife's Lancer, and Z456 for the 3.5L Magna, so I got one of each out and compared them. Totally identical, except the Z456 is about 2 cm longer in the body.

So, can I use either on the Magna? Can I use either on the Lancer? Any likely short/long term effects if I do?

There is a reference to it here.... http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75823&p=1194938&viewfull=1#post1194938

EDIT: going by this document, Z411's are not used in anything larger than a 2.5l V6
http://www.mercado-ideal.com/catalogosa/ACDELCO%20FILTERS.pdf

Nice bit of research there!
Looked both filters up on the Ryco website, there are small differences in the diameter of the two, and if the bypass valve setup is different pressure wise, I better stick to the right ones. I was hoping to be able to use the same filter on my two Magnas and the 2 Lancers in the family, but life is never that simple. lol

Both available from http://www.onlineautomotive.com.au/ for $11.50 each (incl postage) if you buy 6 at a time, if anyone cares. Bit better than the $16 to $18 local shops charge.
Cheap enough to change them out every oil change. Compared to the huge filter on the 2.6L second gen engine, these are both tiny, probably clog up quick, wouldn't trust them to do 15,000 km between oil changes.

OR you can spend another 3 bucks and get a genuine one lol, if you go to a dealer and ask for best price on 6 I am sure you could do ok and then be 100% sure that you have the correct filter. It astounds me how people feel so great about saving $3 on an oil filter, I have a 380 engine here with only 132k on it and the previous mechanic used a cheap filter, the media collapsed and jammed up the bypass valve so in the end the $3 saving cost $1800 for a new motor and fitting. Not cool when you think of the total cost at the end of the day.

now I am not stating in anyway that every filter will do this but do you really want to risk it for a couple of bucks, just buy one less coffee once a month and you will have enough to get all genuine filters each service....

My car was the same the first time it was serviced, then it did it myself and used the longer filter! The bigger the filter the better!

Yes, good points. Haven't checked Mitsu for a bulk purchase but will do.
So who makes the "genuine" filter though? I bet there is a giant factory in Japan or China somewhere that churns out filters with any car maker's logo on it that you care to name.
I've used Ryco since forever, mainly because I remember the part numbers, haven't had any problems with them. Never cut one open to see if there is any signs of poor quality though.

I don't believe i've ever heard of a problem with Ryco, my family have used them on all our cars since i can remember and never an issue, There is to much at stake for them to cut corners and make faulty filters. I'd say most are made in the same places anyway. All personal preferance though so just use whatever you like the sound of :)

I use repco filters because they are Ryco filters painted black. I couldn't give half a **** what it does, I change my oil every 5,000km and as a NRMA (RACV, etc for you interstaters) member I get them for $5. Too easy.

I don't believe i've ever heard of a problem with Ryco, my family have used them on all our cars since i can remember and never an issue, There is to much at stake for them to cut corners and make faulty filters. I'd say most are made in the same places anyway. All personal preferance though so just use whatever you like the sound of :)

http://www.repcotrade.com.au/go/news/important-quality-message-from-ryco

As a precautionary measure, we request that you identify and cease to fit any Ryco branded oil filters with a part number Z386, Z432, Z442, Z445 or Z547 that were manufactured in Indonesia. The country of origin can be found on the bottom of the inner carton. If you have any of this product please call Ryco Customer Service on 1800 804 541 and we will make arrangements with you to have the defective stock swapped at no cost to you.

Official release from Ryco here: Link (http://www.repcotrade.com.au/files/dmfile/RycoRepcoA4flyerFA.pdf)

I use repco filters because they are Ryco filters painted black. I couldn't give half a **** what it does, I change my oil every 5,000km and as a NRMA (RACV, etc for you interstaters) member I get them for $5. Too easy.

And it's BLACKK... :}

My Ryco filters are made in China, not the Indonesian rubbish. lol
But they aren't black. Bother!

My Ryco filters are made in China, not the Indonesian rubbish. lol
But they aren't black. Bother!

The repco ones.. are just ryco, painted black :P

$5 filter, couldn't give a damn how good it is. I'm not paying 4x that for genuine.

I just purchased a genuine air filter from Mitsubishi for my TF Magna and it was cheaper than Supercheap. Lately, I've found the fast moving parts are cheaper from Mitsubishi. They have offered better prices than Supercheap, Repco and Auto One.

I like to use a genuine filter - it helps me sleep better at night.

i use geniune same deal as pete, i find my local mits are heap for filters than the local parts store

I like to use a genuine filter - it helps me sleep better at night.

I can picture you now, cuddled up in your bed, surrounded by piles of genuine filters, sleeping like a baby. lol

No such thing as genuine filters anyway, Mitsu makes lots of things, but filters, oils and cam belts aren't amongst their products. We know who makes the oil and belts, but who makes the oil filters?

$5 filter, couldn't give a damn how good it is. I'm not paying 4x that for genuine.

you unnecessarily change oil & filters every 5k........... how are you saving money regardless?

I can picture you now, cuddled up in your bed, surrounded by piles of genuine filters, sleeping like a baby. lol

No such thing as genuine filters anyway, Mitsu makes lots of things, but filters, oils and cam belts aren't amongst their products. We know who makes the oil and belts, but who makes the oil filters?

Id be interested to know who makes the oil.

I personally just use Ryco, can get them the same place as my oil and Ive never had an issue with them. The "Cooper" branded ones are cheaper again but I don't know anything about them so id rather stick with what I know.

Keep on eye on EBay. A seller has been offering packs of 10 genuine filters on and off for about $70.

$7 each for genuine is good (if you can get it)

Steve

I was hoping to be able to use the same filter on my two Magnas and the 2 Lancers in the family, but life is never that simple.
You can, if you use the Z456. If you tak a look at the ACDelco interchange guide (page 68 of the catalogue), you'll see that some filter brands have one filter that substitutes for both the Z411 and the Z456. Even the ACDelco interchange guide suggests either of its ACO27/ACO28 filters can be substituted for both the Z411 & Z456.

PS: The largest engine using the Z411 according to the catalogue is a Mazda 3.0L V6.

You can, if you use the Z456. If you tak a look at the ACDelco interchange guide (page 68 of the catalogue), you'll see that some filter brands have one filter that substitutes for both the Z411 and the Z456. Even the ACDelco interchange guide suggests either of its ACO27/ACO28 filters can be substituted for both the Z411 & Z456.

PS: The largest engine using the Z411 according to the catalogue is a Mazda 3.0L V6.

Nice piece of research!
I have a stack of Ryco Z456 and one remaining Z411, next oil change on the Lancer I will try a Z456 and see how it goes. Bit more filtration material in the Z456, the Z411 is too tiny to be taken seriously. Bigger the better, as far as oil filters go. lol

Oh for crying out loud, dosnt anyone read here anymore

411 has a lower pressure valve setting, if you want to risk your motor for the sake of $15 then go ahead but for anyone with half a brain don't use a 411 on a magna or a 456 on a lancer, is plain stupid. Why do you think they make 2 different filter

Oh for crying out loud, dosnt anyone read here anymore

411 has a lower pressure valve setting, if you want to risk your motor for the sake of $15 then go ahead but for anyone with half a brain don't use a 411 on a magna or a 456 on a lancer, is plain stupid. Why do you think they make 2 different filter

OK, my final decision! Lancer gets Z411, Magna gets Z456. lol
I hope the Z411 I found on the Magna hasn't done any damage. Car was serviced by a mechanic's workshop before I bought it . . . . dummies!

If anyone in Adelaide gets their car serviced by Rising Sun Car Service at Gepps Cross, check they used the right filter.

Thankfully I do my own oil so I only have myself to blame if I put the wrong filter on, however im glad I saw this thread because if I ask for a TE Magna filter and they give me the Z-411 then I will know so I can give them the Four One One.

If anyone in Adelaide gets their car serviced by Rising Sun Car Service at Gepps Cross, check they used the right filter.

No need to name and shame them like that! Sorry I know this is in the no spam, but I can tell you now the blokes at that workshop are very decent! The previous owner could have supplied the filter and told them to use it!

Oh for crying out loud, dosnt anyone read here anymore

411 has a lower pressure valve setting, if you want to risk your motor for the sake of $15 then go ahead but for anyone with half a brain don't use a 411 on a magna or a 456 on a lancer, is plain stupid. Why do you think they make 2 different filter
And why do you think they're interchangeable with both the ACO27 & ACO28 filters? Where is the evidence upon which you claim the 411 has a lower pressure valve setting than the 456?

Oh for crying out loud, dosnt anyone read here anymore

411 has a lower pressure valve setting, if you want to risk your motor for the sake of $15 then go ahead but for anyone with half a brain don't use a 411 on a magna or a 456 on a lancer, is plain stupid. Why do you think they make 2 different filter

what are the valve settings on the two? i've never come across any documentation (only what the reps give us... need to know basis i guess).
reason im asking is simply put im not happy with the filters that are available on the au market, and have been looking into other brands which also a)dont provide the valve setting, and b)interchange 411's and 456's.
if i know this then perhaps i can find out via the manufacturers.

i was under the impression that the over pressure valve was there for if the oil filter should for some reason become blocked.

No need to name and shame them like that! Sorry I know this is in the no spam, but I can tell you now the blokes at that workshop are very decent! The previous owner could have supplied the filter and told them to use it!

Not a "name and shame" attempt on my part, just a friendly reminder that mechanics are human and can make mistakes - after all the two filters look almost identical and fit up fine - so it's worthwhile checking work done on your car, no matter who the mechanics are, even if they are decent blokes!

(Even if the previous owner handed over a filter to be fitted, the decent blokes should have picked up the error.)

Anyway, I corrected the error, and now know which filter goes where, so all good. lol
The place that sells Ryco filters to me charges exactly the same for both. So no problem really.

you unnecessarily change oil & filters every 5k........... how are you saving money regardless?

Because I want to. Plenty of members here change their oil every 5000km. A mixture of hard driving and a lot of hot/cold cycles takes its toll on the engine and I like to keep it in the best condition I can. An oil filter is just an oil filter. They are all the same shit. Better than spending $20 every 5000km.

K&N filters are the best by a long shot & you can get them for $15 delivered via ebay

K&N filters are the best by a long shot & you can get them for $15 delivered via ebay

Z411, Z456 are $11.50 delivered in lots of 6 by Aus Post.

http://www.onlineautomotive.com.au/

K&N filters are the best by a long shot & you can get them for $15 delivered via ebay

How so? Got a review handy you can link us to?

K&N filters are the best by a long shot & you can get them for $15 delivered via ebay

Fact or personal opinion?


How so? Got a review handy you can link us to?

Not likely. Oil filters filter oil, simple. In depth studies of filtration ability, pressure drop across filter, holding capacity, bypass valve working pressure, etc, would be scare as it is NOT an interesting topic. Manufacturers would know, but they are not telling. lol
As long as the can doesn't rupture in use, or the filtering material doesn't collapse, or the seal doesn't break down, they are pretty much the same.

Plenty of YouTube videos showing what is inside them.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRgw4B7R-I

Fact or personal opinion?



Not likely. Oil filters filter oil, simple. In depth studies of filtration ability, pressure drop across filter, holding capacity, bypass valve working pressure, etc, would be scare as it is NOT an interesting topic. Manufacturers would know, but they are not telling. lol
As long as the can doesn't rupture in use, or the filtering material doesn't collapse, or the seal doesn't break down, they are pretty much the same.

Plenty of YouTube videos showing what is inside them.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRgw4B7R-I

I was being polite :D Giving the opportunity to provide proof of said statement rather than just calling him on it.

I was being polite :D Giving the opportunity to provide proof of said statement rather than just calling him on it.

I knew that! lol

We all have our favourite brand of filter, but the outside doesn't count, alphabet letters, black, green, whatever - what's inside counts.

FWIW, K&N, Mobil 1 & STP filters, amongst others, are made by the same company - Champion Labs (http://www.champlabs.com/) - itself part of the UCI-Fram Group. The K&N filter is little more than a Mobil 1 filter with an end-nut welded on. Champion Labs also makes some AC Delco & Bosch filters.

See also: http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html

Pretty sure that the mitsu geniune one is made by Toyo. not a particularly desirable brand, not really a crap one either. This thread needs to die now before it becomes a shit flinging contest.

Can't. It's a "no spam" thread. lol

Personal opinion, and a respected brand , there would be info on the internet somewhere, check their website out, Purolater pureone are also good but don't make them for the 3.5 v6, they designed the initial oil filter that we use today.

Because I want to. Plenty of members here change their oil every 5000km. A mixture of hard driving and a lot of hot/cold cycles takes its toll on the engine and I like to keep it in the best condition I can.

I will just assume youve sent used oil samples away for analysis and found the oil needed to be changed every 5000km, because obviously it would be a big waste of time & money doing triple oil changes for nothing.........

As an aside, i now use z456 filters on my John Deere Ride-on mower, JD genuine filters are priced like gold.