Can someone please tell me what fuse will give me power at ignition on only and not accessories.

Need a power feed for the relay to wire up the DRL's correctly,
Thanks

oops...sorry.

Can someone please tell me what fuse will give me power at ignition on only and not accessories.

Need a power feed for the relay to wire up the DRL's correctly,
Thanks

If this is for your Magna, then there is none. Been there, done that. I ended up tapping into a fuse in the cabin using the create-a-circuit fuse tap. Had to bastardise the fuse case cap in order to re-cap it. Edit: I think I tapped into fuse 12 or 13. Fuse 15 is spare ign fuse.

Um, seeing as this is in the 380 section, pretty sure that it's not going to be for my Magna.

It's for the GT. "facepalm"

Can someone please tell me what fuse will give me power at ignition on only and not accessories.

Need a power feed for the relay to wire up the DRL's correctly,
Thanks

I bought a voltage sensing DRL relay/controller ("ON" @14V, "OFF" at 12.?) and then used an "add-a-circuit" tap to pick power from the little used trailer fuse

Can also use similar tap from the parker fuse to use the "dim DRL" feature of my control relay and could do same off low beam or parker fuse if you want to turn them off completely (not just dim) when headlights or parkers on, by using a relay with normal open/normal close function - about $6 from Jaycar

Jaycar have a more simplistic tap than the genuine "add a circuit" which relies on a single fuse, not a stack ot 2.

Have a look at

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221121007578?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

By "width" light they mean parkers - causes them to Dim, but needs minimum load to do this - I had to drop an 80 ohm 5w resitor across each DRL to get the dimming function to work

Side lights means indicators - if u use this function then DRL will blink in sync with the indicator in use. I did use it.

Cheers

T

Thanks for the reply,yes,i have a no/nc relay and am using the parker feed to switch the drls off in the magna ....i simply tapped into the now disused auto loom for that ignition source.

Works great (thanks Vlad for the wiring diagram),so i need to replicate it in the 380


.but ,back to the question at hand ....

i need to know what fuse in the engine bay will provide me with positive power at only ignition on...

not from acc ,then to ignition.

Could not find ignition only when I installed my led drls so tapped into the windscreen wiper fuse in the engine bay then ran through a relay to switch them off when the parking lights were switched on.

Just had a look at the 380 service manual. There are two ignition fuses (23 and 25) but are for ACC only. The only fuses with IGN source are in the cabin fuse box (#9 - IG2, #13 - IG1, #16 - IG2 and #17 - IG1). You will have to do what I did for mine which is to route a cable from the cabin fuse box to the engine bay. In this way, you can also install an inline switch to turn it off entirely when needed (like servicing).

You will have to do what I did for mine which is to route a cable from the cabin fuse box to the engine bay. ).

A lot of trouble compared to the voltage sensing unit I used - and why I opted to go that path

Could not find ignition only when I installed my led drls so tapped into the windscreen wiper fuse in the engine bay then ran through a relay to switch them off when the parking lights were switched on.

From memory, Kim (KJ380) mentioned the wiper fuse is ACC sourced, not ignition.

fuel pump supply line fuse will probably do it.

It's for the GT.



BTW, where are you locating them?

I cut a bit of the honeycomb grill out at top and outer edges and placed them there, just below the bonnet lip and lightly behind it

Will be down in Adelaide over Xmas - you may spot me around!

BTW, where are you locating them?

I cut a bit of the honeycomb grill out at top and outer edges and placed them there, just below the bonnet lip and lightly behind it

Will be down in Adelaide over Xmas - you may spot me around!

Installed in the fog light area of the 380,since ,its technically illegal to use them ,so ,they are now drl's

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0967.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0965.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0966.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0968.jpg

......and on the Magna.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0948.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0940-1.jpg

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Looks great

I will chase up some photos and post later

Installed in the fog light area of the 380,since ,its technically illegal to use them ,so ,they are now drl's





I reckon you'll still get booked.

I reckon you'll still get booked.

Why? They are drls and used during daytime. New mercs have the drls where fog lights once were.

I reckon you'll still get booked.

Its an interesting technical point of view isn't it.

So ,is the GT any more illegal looking than the Magna ,or are they both.

I mean ,if they were square ,or rectangle or a strip would they be okay ?

I shouldn't have to bastardize my front bar to run legitimately wired up drl's,they meet the regs from what i have read.

If they are illegal due merely to their location in the bumper,then every new Metro bus that runs drls must be illegal.

looks great!
Are they pure white or a little blue? Where did you get them?

looks great!
Are they pure white or a little blue? Where did you get them?
See my post in general mitsu section (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98161). They are from Bright Light Auto Parts (http://www.brightlightautoparts.com/NEW_LED_WORK_LAMPS.html) in Vic (online/ebay/in store). The Magna ones are 6x1W luxeon 60deg beam 600lm BL-221 and the 380 ones are 4x3W luxeon 50deg beam 720lm BL-115. They are daylight white 5500K-6000K.

Its an interesting technical point of view isn't it.

So ,is the GT any more illegal looking than the Magna ,or are they both.

I mean ,if they were square ,or rectangle or a strip would they be okay ?

I shouldn't have to bastardize my front bar to run legitimately wired up drl's,they meet the regs from what i have read.

If they are illegal due merely to their location in the bumper,then every new Metro bus that runs drls must be illegal.


It's easier than that.....


Did the car come with day running lights?.....NO officer
Are they ADR approved?..............................NO officer
Are they too bright?.....................................Yes they definitely are officer

Do they look like a fog light with mere bulb substitute?......Yes officer

:)

Smart officer, that one!
Maybe less wattage? Or keep the lights and buy a BMW?
http://car-lab.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bmw-e90-drl-daytime-light-2.jpg

It's easier than that.....


Did the car come with day running lights?.....NO officer
Not against the law. Both Philips and Narva sell retro-fit DRLs. In fact, Narva has ones that have both DRL and parker function. That is, they act as DRLs during the day time and then dim when the headlights are on to act as parkers.
Are they ADR approved?..............................NO officer
They are CE approved lights which the ADRs are based on
Are they too bright?.....................................Yes they definitely are officer
No they are not. DRLs can be up to 800 lumens. Check out the specs for the Philips and Narva DRLs. They go up to 800 lumens.

Do they look like a fog light with mere bulb substitute?......Yes officer
No. As I michael mentioned, the new SA metro busses have DRLs where the fog lights are normally mounted.
Mounting for DRLs are as follows (I think this goes for any front facing lights for normal use)
1. At least 250mm above ground. Check.
2. No more than 510mm from the edge of the car (excluding mirrors and other attachements like stick-on flares). Check.
3. No more a (from memory) 850mm above ground. Check.
4. At least 600mm from the centre of the other light. Check.

:)

See above reply in bold.

Smart officer, that one!
Maybe less wattage? Or keep the lights and buy a BMW?
http://car-lab.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bmw-e90-drl-daytime-light-2.jpg


The BMW...his fog lights are not on....you can clearly see they are off and have a seperate receptacle.

The BMW...his fog lights are not on....you can clearly see they are off and have a seperate receptacle.

For the last time, they are not fog lights, just because they are in that position. The ADR does not say you cannot mount the DRL in place of the fog light. See my post above. Also, See here for a pic of the new metro buses (http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/07/11/1226092/644467-bus.jpg). They are used during the day and not night time. There are quite a few cars now that come with DRLs in the same spot the fog lights used to be. See the new Skoda Fabia VRS, Scout etc. The next Falcon would most likely have DRLs where the fog lights are.

Just had an interesting chat with a guy from the department of transport, or whatever their name is, but he was the technical man and knew his stuff and his cars.
Bottom line is that the lights can be mounted exactly where I have mounted them, NO WORRIES
As long as the lights meet ADR and are wired up correctly in the right manner, then it's all perfectly legal.

Driving around today I noticed lots of cars had their Drls in what normally would be a fog light.

..... and, still no one has identified a positive ignition feed under the bonnet "face palm"

Just had an interesting chat with a guy from the department of transport, or whatever their name is, but he was the technical man and knew his stuff and his cars.
Bottom line is that the lights can be mounted exactly where I have mounted them, NO WORRIES
As long as the lights meet ADR and are wired up correctly in the right manner, then it's all perfectly legal.

Driving around today I noticed lots of cars had their Drls in what normally would be a fog light.

..... and, still no one has identified a positive ignition feed under the bonnet "face palm"

You did not read my post? "face palm" back to you. There is no fuse in the engine bay for IGN, only ACC or constant. The only ones with IGN are in the cabin. See my previous post on page 1.

Engine bay fuses:
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab124/vbednikov/engine-bay-fuses.png

Cabin fuses:
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab124/vbednikov/cabin-fuses.png

Can't see on my phone, but, what are those lists referring to?

A 380 or a Magna /Verada?

Thought you were only talking about the Verada, did see your post.... Back at ya... Lol

Just had an interesting chat with a guy from the department of transport, or whatever their name is, but he was the technical man and knew his stuff and his cars.
Bottom line is that the lights can be mounted exactly where I have mounted them, NO WORRIES
As long as the lights meet ADR and are wired up correctly in the right manner, then it's all perfectly legal.

Driving around today I noticed lots of cars had their Drls in what normally would be a fog light.

..... and, still no one has identified a positive ignition feed under the bonnet "face palm"

I've seen a few mounted off vertical. Thought about doing it for the Outlander. See my mock up of your 380.
http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab124/vbednikov/380.jpg

Can't see on my phone, but, what are those lists referring to?

A 380 or a Magna /Verada?

Thought you were only talking about the Verada, did see your post.... Back at ya... Lol

They are for the 380. The first list is the engine bay fuses and the second is the cabin fuses.

I've seen a few mounted off vertical. Thought about doing it for the Outlander. See my mock up of your 380.


mmm, doesn't look too bad, but several things bother me, getting a set that would fit nicely in there, and having to drill into the bar to mount them.
I do have a set of three led from Bright Light Auto, might see what it looks like., and thanks for the info about the fuses as well.

mmm, doesn't look too bad, but several things bother me, getting a set that would fit nicely in there, and having to drill into the bar to mount them.
I do have a set of three led from Bright Light Auto, might see what it looks like., and thanks for the info about the fuses as well.

I reckon the 6 LED ones would fit there perfectly. No need to drill holes. Both the Outlander and my Verada had the bracket behind the mesh grill with the two prongs protruding out and the light secured to the prongs. Just had to use large enough black washers to secure the bracket to the mesh and to take it back more so it sticks out less.

I do have a set of three led from Bright Light Auto, might see what it looks like., and thanks for the info about the fuses as well.


I reckon the 6 LED ones would fit there perfectly. No need to drill holes. Both the Outlander and my Verada had the bracket behind the mesh grill with the two prongs protruding out and the light secured to the prongs. Just had to use large enough black washers to secure the bracket to the mesh and to take it back more so it sticks out less.


3W Mini light ba (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/M-VOLT-3-X-3W-LED-MINI-LIGHT-BAR-SUPER-BRIGHT-AUSSIE-BRITE-LED-TECH-1-X-BL-222-/310528647465?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item484cf32129)r.......buggers are as big as the six light ones i have...:nuts:

For the last time, they are not fog lights, just because they are in that position. .
If it looks like a fog light, sits in a fog light holder then yep...its a....fog light with leds


The ADR does not say you cannot mount the DRL in place of the fog light. .

LOL....ADR is an approval process not a denial process.....

has your modified fog light got an ADR approval number?

please post it, make my day...


See here for a pic of the new metro buses

So...your magna is a bus now? :nuts:

If it looks like a fog light, sits in a fog light holder then yep...its a....fog light with leds



LOL....ADR is an approval process not a denial process.....

has your modified fog light got an ADR approval number?

please post it, make my day...



So...your magna is a bus now? :nuts:

You sir need to brush up on your lighting technology. Position does not define fog light. Its beam pattern does. Ideally they should be low. According to your rationale the fg falcon is defectable because they have low beams where the high beams go and vice versa. Damn those falcon drivers driving with high beams at night. Also the ref to the bus is the position of their round drl which is the same position fog lights are on previous models.

Found one.....:woot:

Finally got around to poking around with a tester and found a ign on feed in the other relay box adjacent to the main fuse box.

Meant removing the relay and testing as you do, but ,i did find one...now just to wire it up and see how it works....:hmm:

Found one.....:woot:

Finally got around to poking around with a tester and found a ign on feed in the other relay box adjacent to the main fuse box.

Meant removing the relay and testing as you do, but ,i did find one...now just to wire it up and see how it works....:hmm:

So you found a relay that either has ign source at the switched pole or at the source pole? How do you plan to tap into the relay?

So you found a relay that either has ign source at the switched pole or at the source pole?

4 pin relay...on the side of the relay facing towards the engine bay,one pin has acc power and then the other has ign power

How do you plan to tap into the relay?


lol .......by doing it the only way an aussie would ......wrap the wire around the pin and reinstall relay ,and connect this wire to another power relay,



mmmmm.....bogun as f... .but meh....saves dragging a wire through form the inner fuse box


thinking a bit more about it and i will run this trigger wire to a relay to provide proper power to the switching relay ...just to be sure.

Two relays may have over complicated it ,but ,its only terminals and wiring ,no big deal...and i couldn't be arsed waiting over a month for a u-beaut relay kit from o/s

Found one.....:woot:

Finally got around to poking around with a tester and found a ign on feed in the other relay box adjacent to the main fuse box.

Meant removing the relay and testing as you do, but ,i did find one...now just to wire it up and see how it works....:hmm:

Which relay - foglight at front or the horn one behind it?

Which relay - foglight at front or the horn one behind it?

As you stand at the side of the car, there is the main fuse box, next to that is a slim cover, under this is three relays, the one closest to the firewall, as you look down at it, with relay removed., it is the top left terminal, I think the others are the same as well.

As you stand at the side of the car, there is the main fuse box, next to that is a slim cover, under this is three relays, the one closest to the firewall, as you look down at it, with relay removed., it is the top left terminal, I think the others are the same as well.
Wonder if the 3rd gens has something similar. Also, Michael, you should fit a timer delay like the ones I have for each car. They will prevent the DRLs from flashing as you try to start the car. It is adjustable and I've set it to 4 seconds. This is a 10 - 1200 second (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MINI-TIMER-SWITCH-TIME-RELAY-10-1200-SEC-KIT-12V-12A-Delay-CAR-DAYLIGHTS-/271101752938?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Suppl ies_ET&hash=item3f1eec766a) and this is a 1 to 40 second (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MINI-TIMER-SWITCH-TIME-RELAY-3-110-SEC-KIT-12V-12A-Delay-CAR-DAYLIGHTS-/271074598804?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item3f1d4e1f94). Just pop me a PM before you wire it up as the wiring diagram is slightly wrong.

I have basically a relay which is used to switch the whole thing off when the parkers are on. The timer delay also has a relay. The IGN is wired to the timer and the lights get power directly from the battery through the timer relay via an inline fuse.

mmm, one of those timers would work fantastic on the 380 reverse lights with the hid in them.

The timer would delay that flash when you go through from park to drive

As you stand at the side of the car, there is the main fuse box, next to that is a slim cover, under this is three relays, the one closest to the firewall, as you look down at it, with relay removed., it is the top left terminal, I think the others are the same as well.

Thanks

They are Engine, Auto Tranny and AirCon relays, as per legend inside the cover - with rear one being AirCon

Thanks

They are Engine, Auto Tranny and AirCon relays, as per legend inside the cover - with rear one being AirCon


Actually wired it up properly this morning using my two relay system and it works as it should...:woot:

As stated before,i have cheated somewhat and simply wrapped the wire around the terminal on the relay and reinstalled in the relay box.

I then used this "ignition on " wire to then provided a switching feed to #1 relay,so this relay can carry power to relay #2,which is then used to power the DRL and because it is a n/o n/c reelay,the drl's run off terminal 87a and the parker feed then turns it off.

Sounds a bit more complicated than it doe ,but ,i didnt want to "power " the drl form the wire wrapped around the relay terminal ,hence ,why i have done it this way.

Best wrap up about it all ,it that we all now have a positive ignition on feed location in the engine bay.

Fairly self explanatory,red wire from the relay on the top left ,feeds the power relay,to the left of the blue,which then switches on the blue relay

First add a circuit on the left is the "power " for the relay and the one on the right is the switching wire from the parkers to the blue relay to turn the drls off.


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I'm sorry...but that looks aweful.

I'm sorry...but that looks aweful.

meh......cant see anything once the covers are on anyway ............its an informative shot ,not a fashion parade lol

meh......cant see anything once the covers are on anyway ............its an informative shot ,not a fashion parade lol

So the wire is still wrapped around of the legs of the relay or have you found a better way?

So the wire is still wrapped around of the legs of the relay or have you found a better way?

yes it is ,and no i haven't.....im not about to go rooting around into the loom that feeds up into that relay box,just to slice into a wire.

If some one has a better idea ,then im all ears,this is why i did the double relay thing ,to protect the relay i was taking the feed from .

Maybe i will stump up in the new year and get a specific drl wiring kit ,but ,this works just as well ,hasn't cost me any thing ,and ive been able to do it now ,rather than waiting a month.

Maybe i will stump up in the new year and get a specific drl wiring kit ,but ,this works just as well ,hasn't cost me any thing ,and ive been able to do it now ,rather than waiting a month.

Have sent you a PM

not as pretty, but i prob would have just punched through to the cabin and tapped the 12v adapter.

Only just thought of it now, but I expect my LPG ECU and associated cutout valves etc has an IGN ON supply

On second thought. Cancel the idean

On second thought. Cancel the idea

do tell....lol

do tell....lol

Thought I came across relay taps like those fuse taps. But they turn out to be just holders.