hi there everyone looking for some info.

i am nearing the 200 000km service on my 2002 tj ralliart,

i just had the power steering pump replaced and asked them to look at a rattle i have on cold starts. they have informed me that the rattle is coming from behind the timing belt cover (most likely timing belt tensioner? )

what items should i be doing for the 180-200 000km service,

brake system was recently done so thats not an issue,

i was thinking timing belt kit and timing belt tensioners (does it have one? if so how much?)

what else should i be replacing? :woot:

I believe water pumps should be replaced at the 200k service as they tend to fail after that.

Since you only bought the car recently, I would be doing an auto flush with genuine fluid asap for peace of mind.

I believe water pumps should be replaced at the 200k service as they tend to fail after that.

Since you only bought the car recently, I would be doing an auto flush with genuine fluid asap for peace of mind.

there was a receipt for the auto flush it was done in the last months but i will deffinetly be doing another soon (also have a spare gearbox sitting at home)

i shall add the water pump to the list. anything else?

mine's nearing this service aswell. heard its a pretty hefty $$$$ service

i am considering a 3.8 conversion. but wasnt planning on it for a while, how hard is it to register after that? just a simple engine number change?

Well the timing belt and water pump are on the "must do" list. While they are doing those two they might aswell check the seals while they are in there, and hell even get them to replace the tensioner while they are at it, it'll cost bugger all to do while they are doing the belt vs when the belt is in.

Just get the kit. Belt, seals, everything you need. you can even get a water pump included in the kit.

Also remember to do your rear plugs.

Timing belt, 3 seals, water pump, 2 idler rollers, hydraulic tensioner. Basically everything under the cam covers.
Spark plugs, perhaps rocker cover gaskets and spark plug tube seals if they check out leaking.
Ancillary belts if they are cracked.

Gets expensive just in parts.

Anyone had the whole lot done recently and can give a ballpark cost?

anyone? :D
my hydraulic tensioner is on its way out as i have a bad rattle from it so looking to do this very soon!

And don't forget to replace the thermostat (from personal experience).

currently im looking to do everything pully/ timing belt related next next a revamp of the radiator so thermo new pipes and a flush

throw in a manual conversion at the same time for extra awesome.

Timing belt, 3 seals, water pump, 2 idler rollers, hydraulic tensioner. Basically everything under the cam covers.
Spark plugs, perhaps rocker cover gaskets and spark plug tube seals if they check out leaking.
Ancillary belts if they are cracked.

Gets expensive just in parts.

Anyone had the whole lot done recently and can give a ballpark cost?

What he said... thats everything you should do in order to have some excellent reliable motoring for years to come!
Also, a Manual conversion would be an awesome idea! You know you want to ;)

I bought this from Rockauto for my last major service saved over $300 when compared to Repco.


BOSCH 4001 Spark Plug $ 2.39 $ 0.00 6 $ 14.34
ORIGINAL ENGINE MANAGEMENT 3964 Distributor Rotor $ 5.69 $ 0.00 1 $ 5.69
ORIGINAL ENGINE MANAGEMENT I6402 Spark Plug Wire $ 59.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 59.79
ORIGINAL ENGINE MANAGEMENT 4054 Distributor Cap $ 21.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 21.79
Shipping FedEx International Economy $ 30.28
Order Total $ 131.89

BECK/ARNLEY 0361533 (036-1533) Valve Cover Gasket $ 17.84 $ 0.00 2 $ 35.68
DAYCO WP287K1A Timing Belt Component Kit $ 173.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 173.79
WIX 51064 Filter $ 6.77 $ 0.00 1 $ 6.77
Shipping Express Mail International $ 108.92
Order Total $ 325.16

Pretty comprehensive list there, pretty much covers it all except for ancillary belts.
Rockauto is the place to shop fo sho. (Despite FedEx costs)
Well kept secret, donno why. Smooth transaction every time I buy from them. BONUS: Aussie dollar is high compared to the US dollar, and no GST!
Weird you can import parts from the states, pay the massive postage, and still get them half price compared to Repco (and others). You can probably work out what is going on there . . .

Dayco belt kit contains everything, belt, water pump, pump gaskets, idlers, hydraulic tensioner, plus instructions on how to fit. Might not contain cam/crank seals though. Bought the identical Goodyear kit.

http://www.rockauto.com/getimage/getimage.php?imageurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockauto.co m%2Finfo%2FDayco%2FKit+WP287K1AFRO.jpg&imagekey=2455186-0&width=450

I'm just trying to get the parts together for my wagons 400,000km service and trying to get them from as few a warehouses as I can to lower the cost but everytime I change what I buy around the warehouse on other parts in my list change as well..... so I've given up and emailed them for help.

thanks for that info !

i actually want to keep it auto! its a daily driven traffic warrior

Well the timing belt and water pump are on the "must do" list. While they are doing those two they might aswell check the seals while they are in there, and hell even get them to replace the tensioner while they are at it, it'll cost bugger all to do while they are doing the belt vs when the belt is in.

I see that a few people have mentioned the Timing belt tensioner needing a change at 200K; we are just overdue for the 100K - is it an advisory for this time also??

Steve

At 100,000 km I'd do the belt and the cam belt idlers, and check the water pump for play, as well as checking the hydraulic tensioner for leakage. Ancillary belts and their tensioner idlers worth checking too.
Did my TL at 136,000 km, everything checked out ok so I could just have changed the belt only, but I replaced the two cam belt idlers as I had them anyway.

I bought this from Rockauto for my last major service saved over $300 when compared to Repco.


BOSCH 4001 Spark Plug $ 2.39 $ 0.00 6 $ 14.34
ORIGINAL ENGINE MANAGEMENT 3964 Distributor Rotor $ 5.69 $ 0.00 1 $ 5.69
ORIGINAL ENGINE MANAGEMENT I6402 Spark Plug Wire $ 59.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 59.79
ORIGINAL ENGINE MANAGEMENT 4054 Distributor Cap $ 21.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 21.79
Shipping FedEx International Economy $ 30.28
Order Total $ 131.89

BECK/ARNLEY 0361533 (036-1533) Valve Cover Gasket $ 17.84 $ 0.00 2 $ 35.68
DAYCO WP287K1A Timing Belt Component Kit $ 173.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 173.79
WIX 51064 Filter $ 6.77 $ 0.00 1 $ 6.77
Shipping Express Mail International $ 108.92
Order Total $ 325.16

UNBELIEVABLE - I am totally amazed at this info - and loving being a member of this group; thanks prowler (and others). :)

Steve

I've said this before, so be prepared to be bored.lol

How come parts can be shipped from Japan/Korea/China to the USA, then shipped to Australia, and get delivered to your door and still cost only half the price you get charged by the local Mitsu Dealer/Repco/carparts place??

Because we live in Australia mate. Just like how an album off iTunes costs more, parts will cost more.

10% of that saving is also GST.

There are other sites out there besides RockAuto that can ship to Australia. Look around and you might save even more.

As for what you need, the kit provides everything you need so $173.xx is a pretty good price. Forget about doing the water pump at 100,000km. It will still be fine by 200,000km but definitely replace it then. Just do the belt and platinum tipped spark plugs. Check rocker cover gaskets while you have the intake off too. These generally let go around this mark.

What I am currently waiting on from RockAuto:

AUTOLITE XP3924 Iridium Spark Plugs x6 AU$ 25.56
BECK/ARNLEY Air Filter (042-1587) AU$ 11.27
BECK/ARNLEY Fuel Filter (043-1018) AU$ 12.57
MONROE Front Bump-stop Kits (pair) 63619 AU$ 20.56
MONROE Front Strut Mounts (pair) 902914 AU$ 66.34
MOOG Stabilizer Bar Links (pair) K80186 AU$ 31.42

Shipping FedEx International Priority AU$ 81.27

Order Total AU$ 248.99

-----vs.-----

A pair of genuine swaybar links and strut mounts: $282.85! (with trade discount)
Strut mounts apparently not available aftermarket through Repco or Bursons. Though KMAC does them.

I'm normally a genuine parts guy, (my 200,000 service consisted almost exclusively of genuine parts) but in this instance the only genuine part I bought was the Swaybar 'D' bushes, and possibly rack bushes if it needs them.

Pretty comprehensive list there, pretty much covers it all except for ancillary belts.
Rockauto is the place to shop fo sho. (Despite FedEx costs)
Well kept secret, donno why. Smooth transaction every time I buy from them. BONUS: Aussie dollar is high compared to the US dollar, and no GST!
Weird you can import parts from the states, pay the massive postage, and still get them half price compared to Repco (and others). You can probably work out what is going on there . . .

Dayco belt kit contains everything, belt, water pump, pump gaskets, idlers, hydraulic tensioner, plus instructions on how to fit. Might not contain cam/crank seals though. Bought the identical Goodyear kit.


Hey Madmax,

Seems to be some limits on what models they stock for - e.g. not much for my TJ? Is that because the Diamente was later?

Steve

Seems to be some limits on what models they stock for - e.g. not much for my TJ? Is that because the Diamente was later?

Steve

In RockAuto, Diamante and Magna are, for the most part, mechanically similar between 1997-2005, so search for Diamante parts.

I'm normally a genuine parts guy, (my 200,000 service consisted almost exclusively of genuine parts) but in this instance the only genuine part I bought was the Swaybar 'D' bushes, and possibly rack bushes if it needs them.

For the swaybar 'D' bushes it would have actually been of benefit to get Nolathane. Not only are they much easier to put on, but because of its properties it is meant to improve the dynamics of the swaybar.

Hopefully the strut mounts are at least as good as the originals. I was stupid enough to get the Raybestos ones with the bearing (as they were supposedly one of the better ones available from Rockauto) and they already need replacing... 2 years! I never thought to check them though, the right one has cracks all around the rubber so has probably been like that for a while. The left one isn't as bad but is still not good. I haven't done excessive mileage or anything in that time, and that is 99 percent bitumen driving! After researching the brands through Google. it appears the Sachs one might be the highest quality out of the lot, but it is also the most expensive. I really wish I spent a couple of dollars more on those than on these raybestos crap ones.

That said, I have also read people complaining about the Sachs, so like with many things it may vary from part to part. The Monroe ones should be fine, just remember that they are US made (I believe), and as far as I am aware not from the same production line as the original parts (made in Australia?).

For the swaybar 'D' bushes it would have actually been of benefit to get Nolathane. Not only are they much easier to put on, but because of its properties it is meant to improve the dynamics of the swaybar.

The originals have lasted (assumably) for eleven years, and at less than $7 for the pair, I'm happy to stay with OE. I've had issues with Nolathane bushes in the past with other cars, so I think I may stick with rubber bushes this time around and see how durable they are.


Hopefully the strut mounts are at least as good as the originals. I was stupid enough to get the Raybestos ones with the bearing (as they were supposedly one of the better ones available from Rockauto) and they already need replacing... 2 years! I never thought to check them though, the right one has cracks all around the rubber so has probably been like that for a while. The left one isn't as bad but is still not good. I haven't done excessive mileage or anything in that time, and that is 99 percent bitumen driving! After researching the brands through Google. it appears the Sachs one might be the highest quality out of the lot, but it is also the most expensive. I really wish I spent a couple of dollars more on those than on these raybestos crap ones.

That said, I have also read people complaining about the Sachs, so like with many things it may vary from part to part. The Monroe ones should be fine, just remember that they are US made (I believe), and as far as I am aware not from the same production line as the original parts (made in Australia?).

If your car is lowered, durability of the strut tops will be negatively impacted (probably as much as the struts themselves). A crap pair of shocks would also be lucky to see out 2 years on Lows. Hopefully I'll have better luck with the Monroes (I don't think they're built in the US, as their struts and shocks are - I'm thinking perhaps Europe), but in hindsight, I'd probably have gone with the Sachs also.

Hey Madmax,

Seems to be some limits on what models they stock for - e.g. not much for my TJ? Is that because the Diamente was later?

Steve

I have a TJ. I order parts for a 2001 Diamante. Haven't gone wrong yet.

Because we live in Australia mate. Just like how an album off iTunes costs more, parts will cost more.

10% of that saving is also GST.

Does not compute.
Higher cost of iTunes download in Australia is a blatant ripoff - explains that one. lol

10% saved in GST, ok, so where does the other "saving" come from? Considering the very expensive FedEx costs? Obviously Japan--> USA by ship --> Australia by FedEx plane is so much cheaper than Japan ---> Australia by ship! (being sarcastic here)

My only conclusion is that the Australian supply chain is very inefficient, and there are too many middlemen who have fat fingers in the pie!

The originals have lasted (assumably) for eleven years, and at less than $7 for the pair, I'm happy to stay with OE. I've had issues with Nolathane bushes in the past with other cars, so I think I may stick with rubber bushes this time around and see how durable they are.

If your car is lowered, durability of the strut tops will be negatively impacted (probably as much as the struts themselves). A crap pair of shocks would also be lucky to see out 2 years on Lows. Hopefully I'll have better luck with the Monroes (I don't think they're built in the US, as their struts and shocks are - I'm thinking perhaps Europe), but in hindsight, I'd probably have gone with the Sachs also.

No, my car is standard at the front. The Raybestos strut mounts are just terrible! I hope the Sachs ones are okay, as I'm going to have to replace these with them at some stage in the near future. After reading around on some forums the Monroe strut mounts from Rockauto (meaning American site) are meant to be much better than the Raybestos ones, so hopefully you won't have any issues with them.


Does not compute.
Higher cost of iTunes download in Australia is a blatant ripoff - explains that one. lol

10% saved in GST, ok, so where does the other "saving" come from? Considering the very expensive FedEx costs? Obviously Japan--> USA by ship --> Australia by FedEx plane is so much cheaper than Japan ---> Australia by ship! (being sarcastic here)

My only conclusion is that the Australian supply chain is very inefficient, and there are too many middlemen who have fat fingers in the pie!

That is true, about the supply chain, but operating costs in Australia are also much higher. Wages, taxes (Australia is a very high taxing country overall when compares to other countries), transportation costs, electricity costs, supply and demand. Anything shipped here really is only for Australia. Things shipped to the USA also cover Canada and Mexico.

In terms of iTunes, Steam downloads etc, the higher cost is purely ripping you off, it has absolutely nothing to do with taxation etc. I'm not sure if there is actually any money taken for GST from things like iTunes, Steam etc. They just see it as Australians are happy to pay more, so they charge more.

I have a TJ. I order parts for a 2001 Diamante. Haven't gone wrong yet.

Thanks Mad - much appreciated advice as usual! :happy:

Steve

ended up costing 1100$ timing belt, seals, water pump tensioner

I paid about the same for my 200k service, except I had both drivebelts, RH engine mount, radiator cap, shift lever button and upper timing belt cover replaced as well. That said, it was a mate's rates situation.

had to have the steering rack rebuilt to now it drives like a dream :P

Im looking at my 200k service to. Do you mind me asking where you got yours done as im in qld to. Thanks

Im looking at my 200k service to. Do you mind me asking where you got yours done as im in qld to. Thanks

hi there. magna wreckers in currumbin

hell even get them to replace the tensioner while they are at it, it'll cost bugger all to do while they are doing the belt vs when the belt is in.

I notice that Mal's kit on Ebay apparently has the tensioner (can't see it in the pic though Mal?) and you can buy a kit from Rockauto that includes the tensioner too. Wouldn't it just be wise to do this - at all x00,000 Km timing belt replacements?