Does anybody know which Brembo Brake Calipers fit the 380 and where I can source them from?
Thanks:happy:

Don't know a lot about brakes, so at risk of flaming here, but from what I've read on these forums:

- You don't need Brembos on a 380 unless you are tracking it.
- Brembos are designed for bigger rotors than the stock 380 rotors, so you would need bigger rotors.
- You would also need different (bigger) pads.
- Brembos are very 'thick' so you need rims with lots of clearance.
- All up, a very expensive proposition.

Al (zero) might be able to give you some better advice, he has Brembos on his TL/TW(???) AWD. He tracks his car and he got the Brembos and rotors for a give away price.
It's not what you know, it's who you know!

If you are persistent, good buys on brembo brakes from OS (US). Just need to hunt around. As Tree... said, speak with Al (zero) for part nos etc...

From another thread I posted in for third generation magnas:

Cost wise for a fwd+ rears is around $600(from USA) for front and back calipers, 640-680 for disks, 100 for rear lines and 90 for the spacer. Oh and pads 260

If you want them rebuilt and painted your looking another 500

So total is about 1730

Iirc, the rears wont fit the 380

Thanks Guys.
I am not interested in tracking, so I should be content with what I've got. What is it with mods that once you start you just don't want to stop? Or is it just me?

Given this is a 380 section all the Magna advice pretty much is meaningless

The fronts, you can use any of the Evo series as per hte Magna fit BUT you are best if you can get EvoX. Rears I have measured up, there is a spacer needed on the rear rotor between the rotor and hub just like on a Magna (different spec) however the Evo X handbrake appears to be same spec so will also work

You can go for the Chinese brakes if you wish but then again why would you pay 4 times as much for these when you can get an almost new set of EvoX Brembo's from the states for far less and then you are at least using something that has a pure reputation. For street use the 380 brakes you have already are excellent, if you are changing them it is only for looks and nothing else.

It's my understanding that part of most caliper upgrade kit is a mounting point relocation bracket of some sort to mount the caliper further out from the center of the hub (to accomidate larger discs).
Does anyone have an opinion on whether it would be worth while using a similar bracket to mount the factory caliper further out?
I am wondering if this would increase the effective braking force without the expense of new calipers. (Don't get me wrong 6 and 8 piston calipers are awesome and I am not for a second thinking this would be in the same league, I'm thinking from a bang for buckpoint of view upgrade over factory).
The larger disc would also act as a bigger heatsink and with greater surface area should dissipate heat quicker.

It's my understanding that part of most caliper upgrade kit is a mounting point relocation bracket of some sort to mount the caliper further out from the center of the hub (to accomidate larger discs).
Does anyone have an opinion on whether it would be worth while using a similar bracket to mount the factory caliper further out?
I am wondering if this would increase the effective braking force without the expense of new calipers. (Don't get me wrong 6 and 8 piston calipers are awesome and I am not for a second thinking this would be in the same league, I'm thinking from a bang for buckpoint of view upgrade over factory).
The larger disc would also act as a bigger heatsink and with greater surface area should dissipate heat quicker.

All a bigger disc is going to do is make your car's rotating wheels much heavier and slow your acceleration, the same amount of surface area is still going to touch from pad to disc so i see it as pretty pointless... with stock calipers.

Best bang for buck brake upgrades is a good racing temp fluid and some good pads, i honestly don't think you can stop any quicker with bigger brakes, it's all down to your tyres.

All a bigger disc is going to do is make your car's rotating wheels much heavier and slow your acceleration, the same amount of surface area is still going to touch from pad to disc so i see it as pretty pointless.

Wrong. A smaller radius means the brake caliper must exert more force in order to clamp the disc the same amount as if it is further out. This means (in theory) the amount of surface area a theoretical piston will touch is equal to the circumferance of any given point on the radius of the disc.
C = 2╥r,
therefore, if r = 1, it will disippate force on C amount of area per revolution,
if r = 2, it will disippate force on 2C amount of area per revolution.

Bigger disc = more stopping power.

Engineered. Stop talking out your ass man :P

i honestly don't think you can stop any quicker with bigger brakes, it's all down to your tyres.

LO LO LO good joke.

It's my understanding that part of most caliper upgrade kit is a mounting point relocation bracket of some sort to mount the caliper further out from the center of the hub (to accomidate larger discs).
Does anyone have an opinion on whether it would be worth while using a similar bracket to mount the factory caliper further out?
I am wondering if this would increase the effective braking force without the expense of new calipers. (Don't get me wrong 6 and 8 piston calipers are awesome and I am not for a second thinking this would be in the same league, I'm thinking from a bang for buckpoint of view upgrade over factory).
The larger disc would also act as a bigger heatsink and with greater surface area should dissipate heat quicker.


i would, in my engineering opinion believe that moving the caliper further out and using larger discs WOULD improve braking a little....BUT u still have the same contact area from pad to disk.
Yes larger discs will dissipate heat better improving brake fade due to more internal cooling area and less contact with disc(from the larger pad if upgraded brakes were installed)

all in all you will get a better pedal feel(reaction of brakes with pedal movement. ie more responsive) due to the actual larger disk having more leverage on the axle creating more stopping power, how much improvement is up to you if its worth it... and if its cheap bang for buck!


oh only downside is the extra rotation mass of the disk. loss of accel

Quick note for those out there who feel they have to have a say because it makes them important and wanted, dont bother as any more deltions will come with infractions, as will the abuse........

We all have an opinion, experience does not mean "i ahve a set and I love them" we will not ever agree, it is how we go about making our opion heard that counts here, anyhow, now to go and get over myself

Where are these Brembos able to be bought for $1k Mal, sounds a good deal.

Where are these Brembos able to be bought for $1k Mal, sounds a good deal.

Does sound like a good deal, but only if your brakes are letting you down in the first place. Other wise it would a waste of money.
But along with a meatier/heavier brake package, a decent suspension upgrade to cope with the added mass in bound/rebound to aid in traction accelaeration and braking. Lighter wheel and Tyres to offset the weight otherwise.
No point having huge brakes in the suspension cant keep the tyres on the ground. But if you to stop well, brakes in good condition, and get good tyres...

Oh, and a side note, the paint job on the 8 Potters is errr 'Custom Faded'

Just another view, having recently owned a V8 VE Commodore with the factory Brembos and a VE GTS with factory Harrops all round, I can say both are a great upgrade over the VE stock brakes.
Having driven the 380 with stock brakes for a while now, I can say the stock 380 brakes are exceptional for a stock package, in everyday driving I can't fault them (even compared to the above Brembos). They shit all over the VE and FG stockers.
Where these 380 upgrade brakes (Brembo, KSport etc) should shine is on a track or with general repeated use reducing fade.



Does sound like a good deal, but only if your brakes are letting you down in the first place. Other wise it would a waste of money.
But along with a meatier/heavier brake package, a decent suspension upgrade to cope with the added mass in bound/rebound to aid in traction accelaeration and braking. Lighter wheel and Tyres to offset the weight otherwise.
No point having huge brakes in the suspension cant keep the tyres on the ground. But if you to stop well, brakes in good condition, and get good tyres...

Oh, and a side note, the paint job on the 8 Potters is errr 'Custom Faded'

Good points above Shoot.
The custom faded sounds like my HSV brakes were, known issue the factory wouldn't fix under warranty.

Where are these Brembos able to be bought for $1k Mal, sounds a good deal.

Jump on Ebay in USA mate, they are there often and including shipping often the Evo 5 - 8 come up around $500 us plus shipping, shipping will set you back an easy $400 generally. I know of 1 set of Evo 10 brakes that have been landed here in Oz for around the $1100, the fronts will fit a Magna and look hot, the rears will only fit a 380 but the rotor has to be spaced out towards the wheel 3.7mm and the centre hole size is larger thus when you make your plate up you need to have a lip to account for this also. I have a set of Evo10 rears in my workshop I test fitted to one of my 380 wrecks, the larger handbrake set up is the same as the Evo10 and the callipers fit straight up as well provided the rotor is positioned. Same applies to the earlier Brembo's used on FWD magna's, they have to space the rotor out. Hoppers Stoppers made these plates and are liped so as to ensure that the rotor is centered correctly. The ones for the 380 would need to be different but I am sure they could do them as they would be the same idea as the Magna ones but different specs if that makes sense

Where are these Brembos able to be bought for $1k Mal, sounds a good deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MITSUBISHI-LANCER-EVO-EVOLUTION-X-MR-OEM-BREMBO-BRAKE-CALIPERS-OEM-Clips-Pins-/251212417084?hash=item3a7d6d483c&item=251212417084&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

and there is still the cost of four disc's,pads and the new spacer.


or


http://motors.shop.ebay.com/Car-Truck-Parts-/6030/i.html?_nkw=brembo&_catref=1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_fln=1&_mqf=0&_qfkw=1&_sop=10&Make=Mitsubishi&_trksid=m194&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSRCHX:SRCH

those who do actually know me know I am a perfectionist and when I am in any doubt I simply wont perform a particular task.

I can testify to this. Mal, who is currently fitting my cams was not 100% in regards to whether it was possible to use one particular part, despite this being some half a mm (or something like that) larger than specified he rather than just winging it and fitting it in (as some mates of mine have experienced from mechanics in the past on their cars) we went back and checked with the original designer what was exactly required. Now that is perfection!

Anyway, back to the original post,
I had the pleasure of using my bosses GT-T skyline for the past few days (a mate is just giving the engine a quick look over as it has a couple of oil leaks) he had the brembo package fitted to that not too long ago and it is simply amazing! Pulls up on a dime and 0 brake fade. He too got a set from the USA not sure exactly how much for though (it was a few thou brand new at least). And if my rims were able to fit brembos I too would be putting a set of them on. The difference between these and standard in terms of repeated stopping power is a great upgrade. (He is running the 6 piston fronts)

I know that is on a different car, but just my 2 cents experience with brembos

I have deleted all comments about which brakes you recommend to the OP.
He has made a choice, now needs to know which Calipers and Discs will fit, and where to get them from...
Stay on topic Please

RPW in their 380 modification guide, brake upgrade section, offer a Brembo 4 pot front 2 pot rear package, custom made apparently for the 380. I'm guessing they won't come cheap.

RPW in their 380 modification guide, brake upgrade section, offer a Brembo 4 pot front 2 pot rear package, custom made apparently for the 380. I'm guessing they won't come cheap.

Please steer clear of RPW

with brembo's they may be a more expensive option in the long run

and evo came into work requiring new pads and rotors.the quote was about 1,000 for factory brembo pads and 2,000 or so for factory discs(think it was all round).
however, i have seen the brembos off an SRT8 JEEP off the car and they were massive(literally), so i can only imagine what evo brembos will do

with brembo's they may be a more expensive option in the long run

and evo came into work requiring new pads and rotors.the quote was about 1,000 for factory brembo pads and 2,000 or so for factory discs(think it was all round).
however, i have seen the brembos off an SRT8 JEEP off the car and they were massive(literally), so i can only imagine what evo brembos will do

yes factory pads and rotors are very expensive, but there is a lot of other brands that make better pads and rotors at a faction of the price, eg DBA rotors and Friction performance pads.

with brembo's they may be a more expensive option in the long run

and evo came into work requiring new pads and rotors.the quote was about 1,000 for factory brembo pads and 2,000 or so for factory discs(think it was all round).
however, i have seen the brembos off an SRT8 JEEP off the car and they were massive(literally), so i can only imagine what evo brembos will do

As megaton stated, anyone using genuine brembo pads is stupid. I personally use rda rotors and QFM A1RM pads at the moment, ok when cold, grouse when hot

As megaton stated, anyone using genuine brembo pads is stupid. I personally use rda rotors and QFM A1RM pads at the moment, ok when cold, grouse when hot

im just saying even aftermarket could be pricey as well(not that i know), however its the op's decision not mine

John, not having a go at you mate like many do but please if you don't know don't post, saves a lot of confusion

Are RDA rotors any good? i was under the impression they were no better then stock.. like the cheapshit of the braking world?

Are RDA rotors any good? i was under the impression they were no better then stock.. like the cheapshit of the braking world?

Go back aways and have a read of the older thread

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90136

I am very happy with slotted RDA's and Bendix HD pads after some 35000 k on them

I have heard mixed reviews of RDA Rotors, some good, some bad. I have used them on my previous car and i have had no problem with them.

Go back aways and have a read of the older thread

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90136

I am very happy with slotted RDA's and Bendix HD pads after some 35000 k on them

awk i had a read but its pretty inconclusive as if you do a track run on them or something theu could still warp i guess. have u ever had enough fade as in make your pads or fluid boil? did they hold up alright?

DBA > RDA

also Brembo pads are rubbish. There are far better aftermarket options

Of course if you use a product in a way it was not intended it may fail. Rda and DBa std rotors are for street use not track use

too true dba 4000s can handle some punishment. i need to try some others

awk i had a read but its pretty inconclusive as if you do a track run on them or something theu could still warp i guess. have u ever had enough fade as in make your pads or fluid boil? did they hold up alright?

Never pushed that hard - as per post #25 in other thread just some deliberate mild abuse that did not result in any fade

I have upgraded my disks to RDA rotors and they are great. So I am not going to go to any more expense re: Brembos. Just getting the HPX Pads to replace the extremely dusty Bendix ultimates. All of your knowledge and advice is very much appreciated from those of us technically challenged..I am only speaking for msyelf here.
Kevin

So the brembo brake package off the evo 10, 350mm rotor 4 pot fronts and 330mm rotor 2 pot rears will fit directly on to a 380 with slight modifcations to the rears. Is that correct?.

I'm using RDA slotted rotors with my Brembos and my fronts squeal like a train. Hate it, not a little squeal either, people 100m away turn to see wtf is making that high pitch noise. Just put standard Brembo Rotors back on yesterday and no squealing yet.

I won't buy RDA Rotors again. Ill buy DBA next. While we are on Rotors are Cross Drilled any good or better than slotted.?

cross drilled - you need expensive ones. Cross drilled cheap ones will crack between the holes.

Really, plain rotors or slotted are just fine. Pads are more important. With yours Jase I would be looking at Ferodo DS2500's. Awesome pedal feel with brembos and extreme resistance to fade

I'm using RDA slotted rotors with my Brembos and my fronts squeal like a train. Hate it, not a little squeal either, people 100m away turn to see wtf is making that high pitch noise. Just put standard Brembo Rotors back on yesterday and no squealing yet.

I won't buy RDA Rotors again. Ill buy DBA next. While we are on Rotors are Cross Drilled any good or better than slotted.?

the RDA are basicly standard rotors anyway with noisy slots cut into them, DBA 4000 series rotors are completely different, different internal design and seem to wear better.

I'm sure I've posted on this subject before, but for road use don't bother changing anything except good pads. On the race cars we have 343mm discs and Mitsi branded 6 pot Alcon calipers front, Std rear. With this set up they dont stop any better than the std brakes, BUT they keep stopping. If your not doing track days, save your money unless you want the looks.
If you do sprints or track days you MUST fit braided lines, I had one fail on the 380 and one on Garry Willmington's race Magna when I drove it, on the warm up lap for a 12 lapper at Wakefield. A VERY interesting 12 laps!!!!!!
The caliper heat effects the std rubber hose at the banjo crimp, and the hose just blows out of the banjo. Falcon calipers are a direct bolt on, no difference in size but a lot better pad selection and price. You can fit Falcon pads but you have to weld a small "bump" on each end of the pad. We use Commodore pads on the rear 18mm machined down to 14mm, once again easy to get and cheap.
Someone earlier posted " it's down to the tyres", he's right, if you can lock the wheels up (feel the ABS ) thats it, more money will just let you do it all day.
If you really need bigger brakes, get off the road and onto a track.