Hey guys,

Quick question, my Magna isn't as low as it should be. I measured before and after and here are the results.

Measurements are from ground to bottom of guard.

Before:

710mm L/H/F.
715mm R/H/F.
720mm R/H/R.
700mm L/H/R.

Should be approx. (Springs should lower the car 45mm approx.):

665mm L/H/F.
670mm R/H/F.
675mm R/H/R.
655mm L/H/R.

After:

690mm L/H/F.
690mm R/H/F.
690mm R/H/R.
680mm L/H/R.

Now my question is, does the top mount on all the struts mean't to go a certain way (the 3 studs to the body), or can you install them anyway they go on?

Car is parked in the exact same spot as I measured it before. I just need to find out as soon as possible because the car is going for a wheel alignment 10am tomorrow, so I want to find out if there is a problem before I take it.

Cheers,
Ben

Springs will settle a bit. Plus, it's possible your standard suspension may have sagged with age.

Springs will settle a bit. Plus, it's possible your standard suspension may have sagged with age.

That was a fast reply haha.

Yeah I understand that the old springs may have sagged but I am worried that the top mount may be wrong, unless it can bolt on any way, and if it is wrong, it might be putting pressure on something like the bearing up the top?

I could be wrong but just wanted to ask. I usually always mark a stud to the body but I was rushing trying to pull it down and completely forgot.

Takes about about 2-4 weeks to settle properly, dont let that stop you from getting a alignment tho...

Settling depends on huch much of a workout they get. But they all will, except maybe the stiifest of springs.. HD and coilovers etc..

Ok I will leave it and see how it goes. I will still get the wheel alignment tomorrow, only reason I wouldn't have got it done was if I had to get the strut mount right.

When I drive it I can't hear any noises and it feels better on the road so I would say that it probably is all good.

Just want to post pics so you can see the before and after results. I can't really notice a big difference. Shouldn't it sit lower?

Before:

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0336-1_zpse5eb21e4.jpg

After:

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0341_zpscf09d6a9.jpg

If you fitted king lows then yeah I reckon should sit lower from the pic.
I'm no expert though!

Just want to post pics so you can see the before and after results. I can't really notice a big difference. Shouldn't it sit lower?

Before:

After:



Front is deffinatly lower. Not so sure about the rear.

Maybe your factory suspension was sagged

Part Numbers of the springs are KCFL-42 and KCRL-43.

Yeah I wanted it to sit lower. Can't imagine what 30mm lower would be like, probably would have raised it.

Something is not right here.

I have those springs and my car is definitely lower. I know I have a bit more weight than you (gas tank, amps and sub in boot) but still, it should be lower.

Here's a less-than-impressive pic of my car with Koni & KYB struts with KCFL-42 & KCRL-43 springs.
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/TheKovac/temporary-59.jpg
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/TheKovac/temporary-58.jpg

↑ In those pictures the car has only the weight of a (almost) empty lpg tank. All other excess things (amp, sub, centre console compartment, tools etc) were removed.

Maybe the struts are restricting the car from dropping more?

Just an idea,

I remember something happend when ftting DVANs duspension on his 380. Think thr springs were put in upside down? And was giving a similar result until a mechanic pointed it out.

Id say your front is fine its just the rear. Hell my rear is lower than that and im running standard suspension in the rear. Ill get you a pic today

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x118/rushy_m/20130216_185058.jpg


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x118/rushy_m/IMG_20120906_100656.jpg


Pedders up front
stock in the rear

Stock shocks all round.... For now

Just an idea,

I remember something happend when ftting DVANs duspension on his 380. Think thr springs were put in upside down? And was giving a similar result until a mechanic pointed it out.

Id say your front is fine its just the rear. Hell my rear is lower than that and im running standard suspension in the rear. Ill get you a pic today

Yep, but it was only Dan's front springs that were put in upside down (it's impossible to put the rears in upside down, or at least bleeding obvious which way is the right way up) and as far as I can tell it made SFA difference to the right height when they were put in the right way up. So I reckon there is almost no chance the problem is due to the rear springs being fitted upside down.

Yep, but it was only Dan's front springs that were put in upside down (it's impossible to put the rears in upside down, or at least bleeding obvious which way is the right way up) and as far as I can tell it made SFA difference to the right height when they were put in the right way up. So I reckon there is almost no chance the problem is due to the rear springs being fitted upside down.

Okay my mistake. Sorry. Knew it was something like that

It said to put the gathered coils to the top so that's how I fitted them.

Just got an email saying to measure from the centre of the wheel to the guard, the measurements should be 385mm for the front and 360 for the rear.

Mine:

385mm L/H/F.
385mm R/H/F.
370mm L/H/R.
375mm R/H/R.

rush - your are right, front is fine, rear sits too high.

Just got an email saying to measure from the centre of the wheel to the guard, the measurements should be 385mm for the front and 360 for the rear.

Mine:

385mm L/H/F.
385mm R/H/F.
370mm L/H/R.
375mm R/H/R.

rush - your are right, front is fine, rear sits too high.

Ill measure mine tomorrow. Think for memory mine is lower than that.

Ill measure mine tomorrow. Think for memory mine is lower than that.

Ok thanks mate, your car looks great by the way :)

Mine:

365mm L/H/F.
365mm R/H/F.
375mm L/H/R.
375mm R/H/R.



Remember im running pedders up front. Standard in rear.

Also, empty fuel tank and 10ish Litres of LPG

That's strange because mine doesn't look as low as yours. Mine had a full tank when the photos were taken.

Fitted king lows and kyb just then to the rear.

Something is deffs not right with yours.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x118/rushy_m/20130221_101700.jpg

Fitted king lows and kyb just then to the rear.

Something is deffs not right with yours.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x118/rushy_m/20130221_101700.jpg

So you fitted KCRL 43? That's how I wanted mine to sit. I have know idea what wrong, what should I check?

What size tyres have you got fitted, mine are 235/40R18, maybe that's not the right size and making it sit higher?

So you fitted KCRL 43? That's how I wanted mine to sit. I have know idea what wrong, what should I check?

What size tyres have you got fitted, mine are 235/40R18, maybe that's not the right size and making it sit higher?

Yeh mate.

Tyres are 225/50/R17

Something is wrong with your install somewhere.

King low rear/Peddars low front..235/40/18

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0902.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/IMAG0903.jpg

Definitely some thing wrong with yours.....have you actually checked the numbers on the springs ?

Definitely some thing wrong with yours.....have you actually checked the numbers on the springs ?

Yeah he has, he's mentioned it if not in this thread then his ride thread I think.
I have to say, for me it does look too high to be King Lows. Perhaps, if you've measured and there is a noticeable difference (More than a margin of error from just different tape measures or whatever) they might have labelled the springs wrong at the factory or something? Just throwing out ideas. Also, be careful when comparing to any car (Like maggie3.5's) which has VR-X flares because they are lower than bare guards.

For a bit of additional reference for you, here is a photo of my car back when it was stock, click for a high res version. These are VR-X/GTV springs so would sit 1.5cm lower than your stock ones, but should be higher than King Lows. Yours don't look lower at all, especially in the rear.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/401626_4081256353534_107276123_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/470872_4081256353534_107276123_o.jpg)

(Luckily sitting lower than super low on Kidos now! (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/792176_10200630165540348_1865151107_o.jpg))

I took these photos to show how it sits on a flat surface, the concrete has to be completely straight and flat for the hoist.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0347-1_zps7c057986.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0346_zps106b14fe.jpg

This is how the rear spring looks.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_1248_zps825eb363.jpg

Yeah he has, he's mentioned it if not in this thread then his ride thread I think.
I have to say, for me it does look too high to be King Lows. Perhaps, if you've measured and there is a noticeable difference (More than a margin of error from just different tape measures or whatever) they might have labelled the springs wrong at the factory or something? Just throwing out ideas. Also, be careful when comparing to any car (Like maggie3.5's) which has VR-X flares because they are lower than bare guards.

For a bit of additional reference for you, here is a photo of my car back when it was stock, click for a high res version. These are VR-X/GTV springs so would sit 1.5cm lower than your stock ones, but should be higher than King Lows. Yours don't look lower at all, especially in the rear.

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([URL="https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/792176_10200630165540348_1865151107_o.jpg"]Luckily sitting lower than super low on Kidos now! (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/470872_4081256353534_107276123_o.jpg))

Nice quick cheeky plug for kidos again jakey.

Theres a pic above of mine wthout flares. Same combo as maggie3.5

Maybe you're right Jakeys, they may have been labelled wrong from the factory, but the place where I purchased them off wont accept that, might have to contacts kings direct and see if they can help. But I should see if I can find something else wrong first.

I was told that you can't get shorter shocks for a Magna, so that can't be the problem, only other thing is the top mount, maybe I have to undo the three bolts and turn the mount, see how that sits, if it is still the same, turn it once more and hope that that fixes it. I just have no idea, that why I was hoping that someone had come across this before and knew how to fix it.




http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0347-1_zps7c057986.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0346_zps106b14fe.jpg

This is how the rear spring looks.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_1248_zps825eb363.jpg

I don't remember my back springs being so compressed at the top - i.e. the coils being so tight together. If anything they were on the bottom. Maybe you did fit them upside down after all?

Have a look at these SEDAN springs. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Magna-rear-coil-King-springs-fit-TJ-/140918256747?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20cf61f46b&_uhb=1#ht_500wt_1414 - the coils seem to be evenly spread.

no,they are definitely weird....ive never seen a set of Kings lows with all those coils compressed.

It also looks like more coils than I remember seeing on either my TE Kings lows or my 380 Kings lows.

Edit - just had a squiz at my KCRL 25X (driver's side rear Kings spring) and it has seven coils, same as in the photo. But the top four coils are nowhere near as compressed as in the photo. That's with the rear wheel jacked well off the ground. So def something funny going on here.

They are the "gathered" coils and it said in the instructions to put them to the top. But I also think that they shouldn't be that compressed. They were not that compressed before I fitted them in the car.

That is a photo of how the car was sitting on the ground, I just held my phone under the wheel arch and took that photo, so it is fully on the ground. I am going to go check how many coils it has.

EDIT: there are 9 coils total on that rear spring, upper control arm is hiding them in the photo.

Im going to say they arent in correctly. Did the edge of the spring drop into the correctspot on the struts? Do they rattle when you drive? How harsh is the ride?

That is a photo of how the car was sitting on the ground, I just held my phone under the wheel arch and took that photo, so it is fully on the ground. I am going to go check how many coils it has.

EDIT: there are 9 coils total on that rear spring, upper control arm is hiding them in the photo.

Def only seven coils in my springs, so it smells to me that you haven't got Kings lows at all. I'm guessing you have stock height springs that have been stamped with the wrong part number. But of course I'm comparing 380 springs with 3rd gen springs so I could be way out.

Im going to say they arent in correctly. Did the edge of the spring drop into the correctspot on the struts? Do they rattle when you drive? How harsh is the ride?

As far as I know, the bottom of the springs are located in the struts correctly, the top I am not 100% sure, but I just sat the top on the new spring the same as where the old spring was sitting then done up the nut (I could see where there wasn't dirt on the rubber).

There are no rattles at all when driving, only the first couple of bumps after the car has been lifted on the hoist, but then once I get up the road it is all good.

The ride is harsher then before but I can't really answer how harsh the ride is because I have a VS Commodore (which was lowered at Pedders) that that has a shocking ride. Magna still rides like a dream compared to that.

Now I just want to add that you can't bounce the front shockers at all (when the car is on the ground), it feels solid as anything, and the rear has very little movement when you try pushing it down. Still rides good on the road though, but if not fitted correctly, maybe it would ride better.

EDIT: Note that came with the king springs say "If the coil is variable pitch type, the gathered coils should be fitted to the top"

no,they are definitely weird....ive never seen a set of Kings lows with all those coils compressed.

+1 to this. Something not quite right here.

I seriously, for the life of me, can't work out what the problem is, I have lifted the car up, checked everything, can't find what going on. So I have decided to send the photo of how compressed the spring is to the place I bought them from and to Kings direct and see if they know whats up, they might tell me that they are the wrong springs and the part number was stamped on them by mistake.

I took the car to show a suspension specialist and they said that there is no way that 4 coils should be touching each other, especially with no weight in the car. I had a look at my TF Magna, it has the stock springs but they are all about 1 inch apart from each other and not one coil is touching another.

My king springs looked pretty much the same...

actually i had 2 coils touching and the next two a few mm apart so there was still some play.

Hey guys,

Sorry to bring up this thread again, but lately I have seen a few Magnas driving around with lowered suspension, and they sit much lower than mine. And I have waited a while now and it still hasn't settled to how low I was expecting.

Anyway, I found these springs with the part number KCFL-42SL (Front), would they sit lower than what I currently have? (KCFL-42). Also can't find rear springs that are any lower than what I already have, so just want to know if I should maybe try a different brand, or any suggestions on what I can do? It is lower than standard but would like to drop it more.

Cheers,

I use dobinsons and they're awesome.

Your springs judging by the part number are 'sports' springs???? The sl ones are lows and if they say ssl they are super low AFAIK. If you go new springs entirely get lovells superlows or dobinson lows. They are better then king springs IMO

I use dobinsons and they're awesome.

That's great for you, but it doesn't help the OP's question,and you've also given a terrible reason & review for Dobinsons over King Springs.

Ben, I've got the same Kings Lows (KCFL-42) and my ride height seem lower than yours. I've had them in for a good 4 months now so they should be 'settled' as should yours be.
The fronts were used, but the backs were brand new and still they both seem at the same height. I think you may have a problem either with the way it was installed or even with the springs itself.
Maybe get it checked by a pro suspension shop and see what they say about the install/setup?

Otherwise might be worth looking at filling a warranty claim. Either on the springs or struts. Kings Springs & Boge have lifetime warranties.
Have you tried using the springs with standard struts. I had this setup for a month (couldn't bare it much longer because the ride quality is horrid) and the ride height was much the same. It might help ruling out if the boge struts are the problem. I know a people who've had problems with Boge struts.

The KCFL-42SL are actually Super Lows and are a 60mm drop over the standard springs. They're known for killing bump stops and causing horrible ride quality. Very much for show and not for a daily driver. They're not available for the back as it would likely make the wheel smash against the upper control arm. Avoid these if you can.

That's great for you, but it doesn't help the OP's question,and you've also given a terrible reason & review for Dobinsons over King Springs

Was just stating if he wanted to try a different brand that these are very good and a very good height, especially the rears

That's great for you, but it doesn't help the OP's question,and you've also given a terrible reason & review for Dobinsons over King Springs.

Ben, I've got the same Kings Lows (KCFL-42) and my ride height seem lower than yours. I've had them in for a good 4 months now so they should be 'settled' as should yours be.
The fronts were used, but the backs were brand new and still they both seem at the same height. I think you may have a problem either with the way it was installed or even with the springs itself.
Maybe get it checked by a pro suspension shop and see what they say about the install/setup?

Otherwise might be worth looking at filling a warranty claim. Either on the springs or struts. Kings Springs & Boge have lifetime warranties.
Have you tried using the springs with standard struts. I had this setup for a month (couldn't bare it much longer because the ride quality is horrid) and the ride height was much the same. It might help ruling out if the boge struts are the problem. I know a people who've had problems with Boge struts.

The KCFL-42SL are actually Super Lows and are a 60mm drop over the standard springs. They're known for killing bump stops and causing horrible ride quality. Very much for show and not for a daily driver. They're not available for the back as it would likely make the wheel smash against the upper control arm. Avoid these if you can.

I just had a look at photos of your Magna again and it does sit lower, I would be happy if mine was at that height. I guess the best thing to do would be to take it to a suspension place and get them to check it out first, and hopefully they can find if there is something not right. Otherwise, I still do have the old suspension so I might even try what you said and refit the original shockers with the king springs and see if it makes a difference. Car rides great how it is now, so would like to keep the setup I have, but just want to it to sit a bit lower.

I will go out and take a photo now and upload it, see if you think it has dropped any more.

That's great for you, but it doesn't help the OP's question,and you've also given a terrible reason & review for Dobinsons over King Springs.

Ben, I've got the same Kings Lows (KCFL-42) and my ride height seem lower than yours. I've had them in for a good 4 months now so they should be 'settled' as should yours be.
The fronts were used, but the backs were brand new and still they both seem at the same height. I think you may have a problem either with the way it was installed or even with the springs itself.
Maybe get it checked by a pro suspension shop and see what they say about the install/setup?

Otherwise might be worth looking at filling a warranty claim. Either on the springs or struts. Kings Springs & Boge have lifetime warranties.
Have you tried using the springs with standard struts. I had this setup for a month (couldn't bare it much longer because the ride quality is horrid) and the ride height was much the same. It might help ruling out if the boge struts are the problem. I know a people who've had problems with Boge struts.

The KCFL-42SL are actually Super Lows and are a 60mm drop over the standard springs. They're known for killing bump stops and causing horrible ride quality. Very much for show and not for a daily driver. They're not available for the back as it would likely make the wheel smash against the upper control arm. Avoid these if you can.

Really Kovak, you have a go at Heath and then spout a load of rubbish yourself and you dont even answer the question. I know you have used parts in your car as you are too tight to pay for anything of any quality, personally and from what I have spoken to those who have had BOTH kings and Dobinsons, I go Dobinsons anyday and to the extent where i have stopped selling Kings due to the exact reasons in this thread....the heights are too inconsistant for the same part numbers.

In so far as the Kings go

KCFL42-sp is 30mm
KCFL42 is 45mm
KCFL42 - SL is the 60mm

Well these measurements are what is advertised anyway but of late rarely are they even close to be frank.

Ben, get your springs checked to make sure you were given the correct ones for starters, if they are the correct numbers you have an issue with them then. Kovak, NO dampers will NOT be an issue as they do not determine ride height, that is the job of the spring. If you were to say change over a set of KYB dampers which we all know are way over gassed with Sachs which work mainly on oil there would be no difference in height as the damper rebound is not strong enough to lift a car at all.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0361-1_zps18efb1e9.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0362-1_zps1bf87cd1.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0363_zps52cb0e0f.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0364-1_zps4c948b1a.jpg

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/superchargedvs6/IMG_0365_zps0b7a9d36.jpg

Still seems a little high man.

It's definitely lower than your first pic, but not by much.

My car seems lower than that. I'll take a pic and upload it this arvo to compare.


Really Kovak, you have a go at Heath and then spout a load of rubbish yourself and you dont even answer the question. I know you have used parts in your car as you are too tight to pay for anything of any quality, personally and from what I have spoken to those who have had BOTH kings and Dobinsons, I go Dobinsons anyday and to the extent where i have stopped selling Kings due to the exact reasons in this thread....the heights are too inconsistant for the same part numbers.

In so far as the Kings go

KCFL42-sp is 30mm
KCFL42 is 45mm
KCFL42 - SL is the 60mm

Well these measurements are what is advertised anyway but of late rarely are they even close to be frank.

Ben, get your springs checked to make sure you were given the correct ones for starters, if they are the correct numbers you have an issue with them then. Kovak, NO dampers will NOT be an issue as they do not determine ride height, that is the job of the spring. If you were to say change over a set of KYB dampers which we all know are way over gassed with Sachs which work mainly on oil there would be no difference in height as the damper rebound is not strong enough to lift a car at all.

I didn't exactly have a go at Heath. As always, you're having a go at me. I was just saying that his input was vague. I could also say King Springs are "awesome" but I've not had much experience with other springs and it isn't exactly a very in-depth description of why.

Yes, I do use some second hand parts because I like to save a bit of money where I can (speaking of being tightarses, I've still got no payment from a gearbox I dropped off at your workshop 5 months ago - I've checked all my bank statements thoroughly), but that's not relevant to this topic. And no, they're not cheap shit either. Koni's aren't exactly known for cheap quality. The rear's are KYB and soon to be changed because it's not working well in a Koni & KYB combo. And also - your opinion on KYB seems to be wildly different to about 10 different suspension workshops I've spoken too, some with decades of suspension installation experience.

What exactly did I say was rubbish? And somehow I didn't answer his question. Right. He asked about KCFL-42SL springs - I told him exactly what you just have - that they're a 60mm drop.
This whole thread was created because Ben does not seem to get the same height drop as many others have who used KCFL-42 or KCRL-43's like he has fitted (he has earlier said in this thread, that these are the product codes stamped on his springs).
I suggested he see a suspension shop to confirm he installed them right, get them checked by the manufacturer via a warranty claim, or to also try using standard struts to see if anything changes (not aftermarket, just standard ones). This is relevant advice to the problems Ben is facing.

I didn't say Dobinsons were bad. I've got no basis to say that. It's not exactly secret knowledge that they are preferred around here. However I know of multiple people who've had a few issues with Sachs springs in their setup.

No need to jump down my throat. Anyway not interested in having anouther AMC fight. This is hardly worth me wasting my life getting upset over.

Update: I took my Magna to 2 different suspension specialists today, and they both said the exact same thing, the springs are right, the shockers are stopping it from going down anymore, I need shorter shockers they reckon. That's what I asked for when I purchased them, but I thought it didn't matter anyway?

Update: I took my Magna to 2 different suspension specialists today, and they both said the exact same thing, the springs are right, the shockers are stopping it from going down anymore, I need shorter shockers they reckon. That's what I asked for when I purchased them, but I thought it didn't matter anyway?

Umm what? What suspension shops were these? They have no idea at all, and have no idea how a shock absorber works. The shock is there to as it is named 'absorb shocks' its does not permit any height difference in your case unless they are actually bottoming out. Which in absolutely no way they are. Definitely springs. A reason it may not look at low as other magnas with similar suspension is the fact you running 20s with quite a large tyre.

Umm what? What suspension shops were these? They have no idea at all, and have no idea how a shock absorber works. The shock is there to as it is named 'absorb shocks' its does not permit any height difference in your case unless they are actually bottoming out. Which in absolutely no way they are. Definitely springs. A reason it may not look at low as other magnas with similar suspension is the fact you running 20s with quite a large tyre.

20's? They are 18's with 235/40R18 tyres, and shouldn't affect the height because they are the same rolling diameter as the stock 15's, just wider. One of the places was just an independent suspension shop, while the other was pedders. Neither tried to sell me anything, they told me everything was installed correctly, the gathered coils are to the top like they should be, and with the rears, it is normal for those 5 coils to be hard up against each other because they are called a stacker coil spring. I'm just really not sure whats going on, just wish I could install something and it would be right the first time, I hate having to do jobs more than once, and this might have to be done a couple more times, just don't know.

Update: I took my Magna to 2 different suspension specialists today, and they both said the exact same thing, the springs are right, the shockers are stopping it from going down anymore, I need shorter shockers they reckon. That's what I asked for when I purchased them, but I thought it didn't matter anyway?

I'm not an expert but for the shock absorber to be at fault that would mean your springs are permanently being stretched by the length of the shock absorber pushing the car up, which sounds truly bizarre for a suspension shop to suggest...

20's? They are 18's with 235/40R18 tyres, and shouldn't affect the height because they are the same rolling diameter as the stock 15's, just wider. One of the places was just an independent suspension shop, while the other was pedders. Neither tried to sell me anything, they told me everything was installed correctly, the gathered coils are to the top like they should be, and with the rears, it is normal for those 5 coils to be hard up against each other because they are called a stacker coil spring. I'm just really not sure whats going on, just wish I could install something and it would be right the first time, I hate having to do jobs more than once, and this might have to be done a couple more times, just don't know.

Lol my bad sorry thought that they were 20s for some reason. But again as jakeys said think they pulling your leg somehow. A suspension shop seriously could not have been that ignorant exceot pedders, wouldnt surprise me with them. The stroke of the shock absorber always needs to keep the spring under conpression otherwise it would actually just fall out, if it was indeed the shock that was determining the height the spring would effectively be loose.
It is all installed correctly by the counss of it just might simply be not getting as much height difference as originally thought you would unfortunatly.

I have coil overs in the front and King Lows in the rear with Boge Shocks and these are the measurements I got:

318mm L/H/F
322mm R/H/F
367mm L/H/R
367mm R/H/R

My King Lows also had 9 visible coils with about the same stacked at the top;

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5863/img10231t.jpg

The stack at the top ia very normal. All new springs should have that.

20's? They are 18's with 235/40R18 tyres, and shouldn't affect the height because they are the same rolling diameter as the stock 15's, just wider. One of the places was just an independent suspension shop, while the other was pedders. Neither tried to sell me anything, they told me everything was installed correctly, the gathered coils are to the top like they should be, and with the rears, it is normal for those 5 coils to be hard up against each other because they are called a stacker coil spring. I'm just really not sure whats going on, just wish I could install something and it would be right the first time, I hate having to do jobs more than once, and this might have to be done a couple more times, just don't know.

That is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard. Dampers are not able to "lift" a car unless either they have bottomed out (then you would have NO suspension travel at all) OR they are pump up air dampers which are not available for Magna Sedans anyway. Perhaps is time to concede that the springs you have been supplied are not correct for this car? I am more than happy to have a look if you wish

Perhaps is time to concede that the springs you have been supplied are not correct for this car? I am more than happy to have a look if you wish

I suggest this ^^

Different shocks will not lower the car anymore, aftermarket shocks are designed for alot of spring drops, however unless you have the springs on factory shocks I would say theres nothing replacing your current AF shocks will achieve.

That is the biggest load of BS i have ever heard. Dampers are not able to "lift" a car unless either they have bottomed out (then you would have NO suspension travel at all) OR they are pump up air dampers which are not available for Magna Sedans anyway. Perhaps is time to concede that the springs you have been supplied are not correct for this car? I am more than happy to have a look if you wish

Yeah that's what I thought, but I am serious about them saying that as well. Pedders suggested trying their shockers but I told them I wasn't interested. I have been thinking about it, and I will get you to check it out for me, i'll let you know when i'm ready to bring it in, it's going in to be painted soon, so probably after that.