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Hey guys, I'm just seeking out your opinions on what is right to be done to my ralliart and what risks taking away the identity of the car.
As this is a once in a while drive, ive got no reservations about flashing for 98 and getting a 200 cpsi under there. What I am kind of apprehensive about performance tunes for a KW gain. For example http://www.powerchipgroup.com/datasheets/partners/906/MIT0061.pdf advertises a gain of 14 Kw, and I'm sure SKR wold have a tune, but does such a tune bear consequences for The rest of the car as its own ECUs are designed to accommodate its uniquely tuned engine.
A few more questions:
Do you believe in keeping the electronics of a ralliart stock as a rock?
Ya or na to a turbo or supercharger down the track? Would it undermine the unique status of a ralliart?
The head deck has an aux source but I cannot find an Aux input?
I guess my main concern is should I attempt to keep such an already great car stock? Or by installing a turbo etc, 17" breaks and other performance mods undermine the authenticity of Ralliart Magna #069.
Red Valdez
17-03-2013, 08:07 AM
Everyone has their own opinions on whether you should modify unique/collector cars or not.
It's your car, do what you feel comfortable doing.
dreggzy
17-03-2013, 08:22 AM
Aim for mods you can remove. For example, a 200cpi cat can be easily removed and . A 98 tune incorporating your mods can be flashed easily back to ralliart spec. Butchering your wiring looms to install an aftermarket ecu is something you cannot restore without massive effort. A supercharger can be bolted on, a turbo cannot. To turbocharge this car is no easy feat. You would need to forge your engine.
One thing I'd be reluctant of losing is that roar of the engine you hear in the cabin when he car is full at work :)
Just_Cruise
17-03-2013, 10:49 AM
You can buy a fm transmitter with an aux input cheap option so you can keep stock head unit
NicoXY
17-03-2013, 11:18 AM
Things like the factory stereo being replaced are fine as they are easily swapped back in later.
If you're happy with how it performs, why mod it at all? At the end of the day, it's your ride, and you need to do what you're happy with. Most things that are done, can be undone, even forced induction.... just hang onto the parts you swap out. Be expressive, if you want, because just because it's already unique doesn't mean it can't be uniquely YOU.
crackajnr
17-03-2013, 11:33 AM
Aim for mods you can remove. For example, a 200cpi cat can be easily removed and . A 98 tune incorporating your mods can be flashed easily back to ralliart spec. Butchering your wiring looms to install an aftermarket ecu is something you cannot restore without massive effort. A supercharger can be bolted on, a turbo cannot. To turbocharge this car is no easy feat. You would need to forge your engine.
can you elaborate why a supercharger is bolt on and a turbo is not.
can you elaborate why a supercharger is bolt on and a turbo is not.
On that topic, would much need to be done to a ralliart to accommodate fitting a supercharger?
crackajnr
17-03-2013, 01:03 PM
nope buy a kit and fit it useally everything comes in the kit and if your mechanically minded fitting shouldn't be a problem, they are limited to a low boost usually 5-6 pound which is safe for your average std engine. Anything higher in boost will require atleast a set of forged pistons magna are renouned for cracking the crowns off the pistons with prolonged over about 8 boost.
nope buy a kit and fit it useally everything comes in the kit and if your mechanically minded fitting shouldn't be a problem, they are limited to a low boost usually 5-6 pound which is safe for your average std engine. Anything higher in boost will require atleast a set of forged pistons magna are renouned for cracking the crowns off the pistons with prolonged over about 8 boost.
Sweet. Though since my ralliart is the auto model, does it kind of negate performance boost of a supercharger? (Relative to throwing it on a manual)
dreggzy
17-03-2013, 07:16 PM
can you elaborate why a supercharger is bolt on and a turbo is not.
Charger is mounted on top of the engine with the brackets in existing locations (speaking mostly of raptor or similar centrifugal chargers) whereas a turbo requires extensive fabrication. Like your tt build Tony. Massive effort to fabricate everything. Manifolds and the such. Its great work but difficult to remove and return to stock. I will stand corrected if im wrong.
crackajnr
17-03-2013, 08:31 PM
Charger is mounted on top of the engine with the brackets in existing locations (speaking mostly of raptor or similar centrifugal chargers) whereas a turbo requires extensive fabrication. Like your tt build Tony. Massive effort to fabricate everything. Manifolds and the such. Its great work but difficult to remove and return to stock. I will stand corrected if im wrong.
The only fabrication is the manifolds and the exhaust which I could have bought off the shelf from that company in WA but chose not to. other then that its all bolt on and fully reverseable.
Brett H
18-03-2013, 02:51 AM
I don't think a 'standardised chip' will ever be as good as a proper ecu reflash on the dyno suited to your car.
Also I don't believe their claim of 14kw gain.
dreggzy
18-03-2013, 04:47 AM
The only fabrication is the manifolds and the exhaust which I could have bought off the shelf from that company in WA but chose not to. other then that its all bolt on and fully reverseable.
Cool. I thought there was more custom gear on that.
Can anyone on here list any mods that may not necessarily increase performance, but driveabilty?
..GONE..
19-03-2013, 06:40 AM
Strut Brace
Thicker Rear Swaybar
I personally believe these will really bring the car to life!
If you want more.. Lightweight Forged Wheels n decent tyres.
Then there's suspension.. Koni, Boge or if you want a heap of adjustment and a slighter stiffer ride, Coilovers!
I'm not sure if anyone has put an LSD into the FWD Auto Magna boxes.. That could also be something you could look at..
SuFz
Wiggles
19-03-2013, 06:47 AM
I believe LOUD1 was starting to do the lsd iirc
Isnt one of the auto supercharged 380's running a quaife LSD already? That gold one...?
Strut Brace
Thicker Rear Swaybar
I personally believe these will really bring the car to life!
If you want more.. Lightweight Forged Wheels n decent tyres.
Then there's suspension.. Koni, Boge or if you want a heap of adjustment and a slighter stiffer ride, Coilovers!
I'm not sure if anyone has put an LSD into the FWD Auto Magna boxes.. That could also be something you could look at..
SuFz
Does the ralliart run the stock magna swaybar?
..GONE..
19-03-2013, 07:22 AM
Does the ralliart run the stock magna swaybar?
I believe so.. Someone should be able to confirm that, but im 99% sure it is the same.
SuFz :ninja:
..GONE..
19-03-2013, 07:23 AM
Isnt one of the auto supercharged 380's running a quaife LSD already? That gold one...?
Yeah.. But I thought the two boxes were different..?
SuFz :ninja:
Does the ralliart run the stock magna swaybar?
Yes it does
Yeah.. But I thought the two boxes were different..?
SuFz :ninja:
They arent that much different, the 380 still uses the INVECS II transmission
Red Valdez
19-03-2013, 11:19 AM
What Sufz said - suspension and wheels/tyres.
If you want to keep it OEM as possible, I would get the original Konis rebuilt, and add a set of King Lows or Dobinson Low springs. Will improve handling and looks immensely.
Good rubber goes along way too. I'm positive you can get Michelin Pilot Sport 3s in 225/50/17 (the OEM Tyre size). They are one of the better street tyres you can buy. If you want to put larger rims on, you could consider some OEM rims from a late model Lancer Evo.
[SEIRYU]
19-03-2013, 12:22 PM
The Auxiliary input is at the rear of the head unit.
You'll have to undo the kickpan under the steering wheel, take the little plastic loop that does christ knows what off, pull out the top vents above the head unit, then you can get to the screws.
There's a little black female stereo input. You'll need male to male 3.5mm Stereo cable, then the only way I could do it tidily was to feed that through the back of my ashtray & poke it out the top so it still looks pretty much closed.
Otherwise, you're up for a new head unit.
Can take a photo of how it looks tonight if I remember / is required :)
alscall
19-03-2013, 01:00 PM
Strut Brace
Thicker Rear Swaybar
I personally believe these will really bring the car to life!
If you want more.. Lightweight Forged Wheels n decent tyres.
Then there's suspension.. Koni, Boge or if you want a heap of adjustment and a slighter stiffer ride, Coilovers!
I'm not sure if anyone has put an LSD into the FWD Auto Magna boxes.. That could also be something you could look at..
SuFz
I'm running a Wavetrac LSD in a KL GTVi at the moment, so it can be done. Total cost for a Magna is less than a full rebuild, including the cost of the LSD.
What Sufz said - suspension and wheels/tyres.
If you want to keep it OEM as possible, I would get the original Konis rebuilt, and add a set of King Lows or Dobinson Low springs. Will improve handling and looks immensely.
Good rubber goes along way too. I'm positive you can get Michelin Pilot Sport 3s in 225/50/17 (the OEM Tyre size). They are one of the better street tyres you can buy. If you want to put larger rims on, you could consider some OEM rims from a late model Lancer Evo.
Lots of places are doing specials on the PS3 in 17's at the moment. Good tyre
Does rebuilding the suspension OEM simply involve replacing all parts with the same-but-new parts?
No. The Koni's are stripped down, readjusted, new seals etc etc
Just a quick question, is there any risk of a professional buff and polish damaging the clear/overall paint?
Also, opinions on getting LSD, strut braces, sway bars and hi-flow cat going into my car? :)
..GONE..
20-03-2013, 03:47 PM
If the buff/polish is done wrong.. Yes..
Google a few reputable places and reviews
You could also ask a few guys on here like Dave.. He may be able to point you in the right direction..
Strut Brace n Sway bar - Talk to megatron.. He does whiteline group buys from time to time.. He'll be able to price you up on a strut brace and sway bar.
SuFz
Red Valdez
20-03-2013, 04:25 PM
Just a quick question, is there any risk of a professional buff and polish damaging the clear/overall paint?
If you get it detailed by a professional who knows what they're doing, there's no risk at all.
There are plenty of inexperienced or careless detailers who can damage your paintwork though. Buffer trails from inexperienced rotary polisher users is the main thing I can think of. Or, best case scenario, you get a sub-standard finish.
Your best bet would be to spring for a full paint correction from an experienced detailer. Won't be cheap (would guesstimate around $500-$1000 depending on the condition of your car), but you get what you pay for.
Hit up www.detailparadise.com.au and find someone local-ish to you. Chances are they'll be a member and you can check out their prior work.
SAVAGE ³
20-03-2013, 04:38 PM
Carbon fibre wrap the wing on the rear spoiler. Looks a treat.
Wollongong, but driving distance is negligible.
OK. Im starting to do a bit of detailing on the side again so might be able to help you there if you are interested
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