Awesome video on cold air intakes. Well funny enough when done properly on forced induction car it actually does help, but increase was so minor just over 1%.


http://youtu.be/gCi2yo4UqPI&feature=player_embedded

This one is about pod filters vs factory, also they compare K & N panel filter vs factory. Stick with you factory setup guys! Toss that K&N in the bin!


http://youtu.be/PAIxeQUSg-Q&feature=player_embedded

It depends on the setup. Those MCM twits were testing pods in an open engine bay at a standstill on a dyno.

An intake on my car currently available from the UK provides good gains

It depends on the setup. Those MCM twits were testing pods in an open engine bay at a standstill on a dyno.

An intake on my car currently available from the UK provides good gains

Not entirely true, in the first video with skyline they enclosed the pod in the engine bay without any gains. Only gain they had was to duct pod to outside the car, even then it was so minor.

Also what do you mean at the standstill? They got a fan in front of the car to simulate air flow (as with any dyno) which equals to driving at about 90 kmh

Not entirely true, in the first video with skyline they enclosed the pod in the engine bay without any gains. Only gain they had was to duct pod to outside the car, even then it was so minor.

Also what do you mean at the standstill? They got a fan in front of the car to simulate air flow (as with any dyno) which equals to driving at about 90 kmh

Did you see how long the intake hose was when the pod was outside? The intake length is very inportant in order to get the correct pulse from the intake stroke. That setup would be just as bad as a heat-soaked pod filter.

Did you see how long the intake hose was when the pod was outside? The intake length is very inportant in order to get the correct pulse from the intake stroke. That setup would be just as bad as a heat-soaked pod filter.

Yeh but still the fan was on and the pod was directly infront of the fan witch isn't realistic with a couple kw gain. No biggie. Stick with stock cai.

pods done correctly make a huge difference on high powered cars... most factory intakes are very poor, my friend's vw polo has an intake the size of a finger hole. So that is an example of a time an aftermarket system will give large gains.
Hell even the factory intake on an ss commodore is a tiny vent. i dont know why they dont run OTR from factory, gives 10+ kw

pods done correctly make a huge difference on high powered cars... most factory intakes are very poor, my friend's vw polo has an intake the size of a finger hole. So that is an example of a time an aftermarket system will give large gains.
Hell even the factory intake on an ss commodore is a tiny vent. i dont know why they dont run OTR from factory, gives 10+ kw

Regulations and emission control....

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yes, pods work on high powered cars, if done correctly. On magnas though the stock intake is more than sufficient.

yes, pods work on high powered cars, if done correctly. On magnas though the stock intake is more than sufficient.

+1...

emissions control from a 2.0L sewing machine from the late 90s? somehow i dont think that was a concern lol

These guys actually did back to back dynos, no BS talk like here now. "if done properly" please do show a video of dyno before and after, not some dyno print outs which are so easy to fake . Define high powered car? Skyline R34 had a gain of something like 2kws thats with ducted intake. Any car with just POD in the engine bay actually lost power as in the video. Yes perhaps a car thats punching over 200kw at the wheels, even then what to gain 5 kw? Thats even assuming you can somehow duct it to some place where there is no hot air, in the video they just stuck it right in front of the car before the fan. While in most cars the only solution would be to duct it down, to get all the dirt and still hot air from the ground (lets say on hot day, heat from asphalt), what would the actual gain be then?

I can confirm i had no power gain whatsoever by swapping to RPW style cold air intake plumbed to passenger wheel from factory stock airbox. In my case i needed to move maf away from supercharger to eliminate interference i was getting.

These guys actually did back to back dynos, no BS talk like here now. "if done properly" please do show a video of dyno before and after, not some dyno print outs which are so easy to fake . Define high powered car? Skyline R34 had a gain of something like 2kws thats with ducted intake. Any car with just POD in the engine bay actually lost power as in the video. Yes perhaps a car thats punching over 200kw at the wheels, even then what to gain 5 kw?

Indeed.. I was implying that on higher powered cars (like 250+kw) there are somewhat significant gains.. nothing drastic.. IMO they spend tens of thousands of dollars on R&D just for the intake on most factory performance cars, so they're bound to combine power effiency and reliability pretty damn well.


emissions control from a 2.0L sewing machine from the late 90s? somehow i dont think that was a concern lol

Late 90's isnt that long ago... maybe for you lol
The VW polo is a car designed for efficiency.. of course a larger intake is going to help with power... not efficiency/reliability though.

>>Implying the VW polo should have come out with a pod filter
>>pod filter
>>polo
>>poLO

I think Mighty Car Mods has done the test quite alot of justice, anyone who knows the basics about how Magna's will work will understand like Pickles has said the stock intake is more than sufficient to the point where fitting a box, without spending alot of time and money on enclosing it properly will probably make the intake perform worse, the intake sound from sucking in hot air might sound "Rad" but jits a waste of money for someone wanting to improve throttle response or power.

Before we throw a VW Polo into the mix, take a look at what MCM do and why they do it, they base them selves around DIY Mods, and the 99% of the time are working on an older car, I dont think when they did that test they factored in how a Polo would go with a pod as opposed to a car that people will more than likely put a pod on.

It is a blanket statement saying that there is virtually minimal or no gains to be had from a pod filter but the looking at the target audience of MCM id say they are very safe to do so.

These guys actually did back to back dynos, no BS talk like here now..

Why come on here and abuse other's opinions when all you are after is for people to agree with you? You could head over to the MCM forum for that

I only saw a skyline in that video. Results may not carry over to other cars.

I only saw a skyline in that video. Results may not carry over to other cars.

The principle with pod filters however remain the same, with cars that have an obvious bottleneck in the intake system of course it might be beneficial to add another filter (not exactly a pod) however you still need to ensure you enclose the pod from heat sources. I would be really concerned if there are alot of cars out there that are bought onto the market with a bottleneck in the intake side of things.

Also as a bench mark I would say the Skyline would be a good choice, the intake is far from terrible however I wouldn't say its the best out there, so your right Savage results may not carry over the other cars, but I would be very confident in saying it would carry over to most.

Bring on the POD/CAI argument's all over again. Warning: Fun times ahead!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/lapsedlawyer/popcorn.gif

Unless a car has a higher more performance based model with a different air intake, you can bet your best horse, that the factory intake system is best.

There is no argument, they are useless! Someone has any evidence on the contrary please post it here!

There is no argument, they are useless! Someone has any evidence on the contrary please post it here!

http://www.k-tecracing.com/images/products/200_induction_kit_before_and_after_f.jpg

I don't think a car exists that has been modified to 50% more then its original power that still uses a factory intake? If that isn't enough to prove they help in power aplications i don't know what will.

There is no argument, they are useless! Someone has any evidence on the contrary please post it here!

TBH, the video shows that its not worth it in alot of cars where DIY is a popular option, however they are not useless, I think if you spend a few hours doing some real in depth research, spend sometime around some of the high end tuning shops you will understand they have their part.

So without being to blunt, you have no place to say there is that the video is 100% Conclusive that there will be no improvement what so ever and you replied saying that there is "BS Talk" here? Saying that they are useless that seems like quite the BS to me.

http://www.k-tecracing.com/images/products/200_induction_kit_before_and_after_f.jpg

WOW! this is some real evidence!

Here check this one out, it shown "benefits" of electric supercharger

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af244/e363ma78/DYNO_Toyota_2400cc_VVTi_with_e-RAM.jpg

TBH, the video shows that its not worth it in alot of cars where DIY is a popular option, however they are not useless, I think if you spend a few hours doing some real in depth research, spend sometime around some of the high end tuning shops you will understand they have their part.

So without being to blunt, you have no place to say there is that the video is 100% Conclusive that there will be no improvement what so ever and you replied saying that there is "BS Talk" here? Saying that they are useless that seems like quite the BS to me.

Thats because every time this topic comes the only argument is, "if its done right it will work". I posted those videos because i though it was real evidence to support that in most cars there are no real gains. While yes in a car that has 300kw (after having 180kw at the factory) at the wheels stock air system might not be adequate, but realistically how many cars like that are out there?

What has been shown is that on a reasonably powerful street car, it seems to have no significant benefit. When you see pricks like RPW using this to trick people into buying $350 CAI intake for a Magna while clearly stating that it will make you car more powerful. Most of the CAI kits out there for 95% users will just empty out their wallets without any gain.

Earthing kits aswell are used on drag cars, do they have benefit? Obviously they do. Would they have any benefit in a road car? Well....

Having a freaking parachute will have benefit on some cars, but so what?

I would love to see a dyno of VW that was mentioned earlier which apparently has tiny intake, but again no one actually done one.

WOW! this is some real evidence!

Here check this one out, it shown "benefits" of electric supercharger



WTF? What is this thread actually for?

Thats because every time this topic comes the only argument is, "if its done right it will work". ?


But you started the thread? Why start a thread on a topic you are so staunchly against if you arent going to accept anyones input?

Im confused.

But you started the thread? Why start a thread on a topic you are so staunchly against if you arent going to accept anyones input?


Perhaps so he can post up a video to show results from a test that doesn't surprise people with half a brain yet, for anything that there isnt a youtube video we need to show real in depth evidence otherwise he wont accept it because its just BS.

Its moments like this where im just going to forget this thread exists.

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/1820/tissues.jpg

I know this isn't anything to do with POD filters, but I'd fitted a K&N panel filter since 2008. Did sweet nothing for performance or economy. The only advantage is that I can re-use the same filter, that's all, oh & I use that MAF sensor spray every so often to eliminate any potential filter oil build up.

If I had the chance to do it all over again, I wouldn't have bothered & just stuck with replacing the filter every year with a quality ryco paper unit.

As for the magnas, I agree that the standard CAI is more than sufficient for stock or mildy worked over 6G engines.

Even my neighbour who has owned R33 skylines, Soarers, Supras & race registered RX7's said to me to leave the standard CIA snorkel alone as installing a POD would most likely reduce power due to the open design drawing in more hot air.

This happens every time that CAI and pods come up. lol

Opposing attitudes are:
(1) Waste of time and money, don't bother. Dyno graphs show that. Factory knows best. Anyway, I like the lack of induction roar.
(2) They work. I have dyno graphs to prove it. I like the sound.
(3) In some conditions, they may help. I like the sound.

A True Act of Faith is involved at the extremes, and no one in one camp can convince a True Believer in the opposing camp.



Been there, done this topic too many times. lol






So close this thread someone. lol

Am I the only one here seeing what Andrei is trying to prove?

It's an interesting video that does give good evidence that CAI's and pods are pretty crap, and next to useless on 99.99% of street cars. Every car has its intake set up differently, like Hayden said, if your intake is restricted on purpose (the Polo) then of course a bigger intake is needed to make gains, but there are very, very few cars out there with such an intake.

Andrei makes a valid point and should be congratulated for bringing this to our attention.

I am going to install a CAI with a pod on my car because I am a wanker, not for gains.

I am going to install a CAI with a pod on my car because I am a wanker, not for gains.

We are all motivated in different ways. lol

Actually, that's the word I come up with whenever I see such an install. lol

We are all motivated in different ways. lol

Actually, that's the word I come up with whenever I see such an install. lol

For the same reasons people put pod filters on beaten up 4 banger hatchbacks. Looks better, sounds cool and the loss isn't too significant. I just need to watch out for deep puddles.

For the same reasons people put pod filters on beaten up 4 banger hatchbacks. Looks better, sounds cool and the loss isn't too significant. I just need to watch out for deep puddles.
Excel with the grunty sound of a pod.. mmm yummy lol

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4886/4141/24714570007_large.jpg

This kind of thingo. Pod filters and CAI's have their purpose. On any standard car, they are useless or worse, but they sound alright.

/thread.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4886/4141/24714570007_large.jpg

This kind of thingo. Pod filters and CAI's have their purpose. On any standard car, they are useless or worse, but they sound alright.

/thread.

The Mini Cooper S JCW runs a CAI from factory, as do the Coyote engine FPV's. On standard cars with development spent on them, they work well.

What about these cold air induction kits?

http://www.bptmotorsport.com/Ford%20Falcon%20Cold%20Air%20Induction.htm

On the XR8's and Gt's there are these CAI's claiming 10-12 rwkw upgrade? Is something like this feasible to get gains of this size? Not necessarily on magnas, but cars in general?

That's pretty optimistic for an aftermarket manufacturer, with a likely low R&D budget compared to a car manufacturer, to think they can add 20kw to an engine via a modified intake. I call bullshit on that.

I know an ex-member 'Mohit' tried a few different intake systems on his V8 SS with little success....

That's pretty optimistic for an aftermarket manufacturer, with a likely low R&D budget compared to a car manufacturer, to think they can add 20kw to an engine via a modified intake. I call bullshit on that.

I know an ex-member 'Mohit' tried a few different intake systems on his V8 SS with little success....

You forgot the magic ingredient - "wishful thinking" lol

Placebo effect. 99% of the people buying that kit will never dyno it. They will just put the boot down and hear the intake noise. Proof enough for them.

Plenty of backyarders out there who think they can do things better than the manufacturers. lol
Add blue spark plug leads, chromed rocker covers, braided radiator hoses and there's an easy 100 bhp at the flywheel right there! lol

Plenty of backyarders out there who think they can do things better than the manufacturers. lol
Add blue spark plug leads, chromed rocker covers, braided radiator hoses and there's an easy 100 bhp at the flywheel right there! lol

+1 on the blue spark plug leads. Ticked them off my list last weekend lol.

Can't forget polished intake manifolds and guages in the engine bay.

haha yeah cause my mate who has the BA XR8 was going on about how it gives this power n I was pretty sceptical. He said his stock 260 Boss engine puts out 225 rwkw (which according to ford forums is way off more like 195-205) and recons with this CAI a hi flow cat and a tune his getting 300rwkw. Fair to say I just laughed in his face

haha yeah cause my mate who has the BA XR8 was going on about how it gives this power n I was pretty sceptical. He said his stock 260 Boss engine puts out 225 rwkw (which according to ford forums is way off more like 195-205) and recons with this CAI a hi flow cat and a tune his getting 300rwkw. Fair to say I just laughed in his face

With wishful thinking anything is possible. lol

With wishful thinking anything is possible. lol

I once saw a HSV GTS with completely new D&T exhaust system, CAI and tune at D&T in the city pull 300rwkw but that is because it had 300kw at the fly to begin with.

I once saw a HSV GTS with completely new D&T exhaust system, CAI and tune at D&T in the city pull 300rwkw but that is because it had 300kw at the fly to begin with.

I dont get it. Should be about 230-240kw atw stock so thats a nice gain

I dont get it. Should be about 230-240kw atw stock so thats a nice gain
Why, 290rwkw for a VY GTS was achieved with the following mods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX5h5fhjiN4):
1. Street Racer camshaft
2. HD Valve Springs
3. HD Pushrods
4, Di Filippo Exhaust
5. Ramjet Cold Air Intake
6. 25% Under Drive and Hi Stall to suit

Just putting this out there if you are talking commodores, my mate just put a Full duel 3 inch system and an otr on his 07vess (ls2) and it makes between 205 and 215 rwkw, no bs numbers because he did it himself on his own workshops dyno. stock it made 195

Why, 290rwkw for a VY GTS was achieved with the following mods (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX5h5fhjiN4):
1. Street Racer camshaft
2. HD Valve Springs
3. HD Pushrods
4, Di Filippo Exhaust
5. Ramjet Cold Air Intake
6. 25% Under Drive and Hi Stall to suit

Aye, i misunderstood.

Just putting this out there if you are talking commodores, my mate just put a Full duel 3 inch system and an otr on his 07vess (ls2) and it makes between 205 and 215 rwkw, no bs numbers because he did it himself on his own workshops dyno. stock it made 195

No biggie pritty standard power for those cars and mods