yeah i just downloaded the vid, sorry my bad i got confused

I think if you get it on a new car then the factory warranty remains intact.. but in that vid the only warranty they mention is a 12 month/20,000km warranty offered by AAC themselves on the blower install.

Even that is a good thing. Usually when you put something like that on ur car the Mitsu warranty goes bye bye.
:D

Basically, what TecoDaN says is correct...what you pay for is what you get!

For just under $10k, I got a RELIABLE, OEM-spec car (street-legal, insurance and Mitsu warranty acceptable), capable of running in the low 13s. NO DRAMA!

And the sound from the S/c and Genie dual-exhaust...PRICELESS!!!

VR-X II Sorry to sound negative, but you cant quote reliable until you've done at least the 20,000km's they have said its warrantied for. Youve got an 03 model VRX, so that means your warranty is up in 06 yeah?

For 10k youve gained around 90kw's at the fly. Your opinion and mine obviously differ on cost vs performance..

One other thing thats annoying me.. Dont quote performance times if you havent run it yet. For all you know, the power might be "to much" to get down to the ground to run a low 13second pass..

Im hoping you do run a low 13 as i think it will be a great achievement and selling point for Sprintex.

Be excited, but dont be over the top about it as it makes you look silly when you cant achieve what youre claiming above..

Also, do you now have to goto a special mitsubishi shop to get it serviced? Or does it void warranty when you have someone else tinker with it?

Did they give you new tyres to ensure you didn't have problems with flat spots on the tyres they were sliding around on? lol

Looks and sounds beautiful .... I look forward to a WSID time.

Sorry to sound negative, but you cant quote reliable until you've done at least the 20,000km's they have said its warrantied for. Youve got an 03 model VRX, so that means your warranty is up in 06 yeah?

For 10k youve gained around 90kw's at the fly. Your opinion and mine obviously differ on cost vs performance..

One other thing thats annoying me.. Dont quote performance times if you havent run it yet. For all you know, the power might be "to much" to get down to the ground to run a low 13second pass..

Im hoping you do run a low 13 as i think it will be a great achievement and selling point for Sprintex.

Be excited, but dont be over the top about it as it makes you look silly when you cant achieve what youre claiming above..

Also, do you now have to goto a special mitsubishi shop to get it serviced? Or does it void warranty when you have someone else tinker with it?

im with baino here, i think this thread should be closed till we actually get some times, im also hoping for it to get low 13's but alls we have is 26 pages of speculation and not one timeslip, sorry if it sounds negative but how stupid are you gonna look if your car still gets the same times as a stock vrx, so my tip is wait till you get a timeslip before making any other posts as proof is better than all the speculation thats on here.

cheers
jaz

The people who did the Video did seem a little negative about a Front wheel drive Magna being supercharged..

The people who did the Video did seem a little negative about a Front wheel drive Magna being supercharged..

I can't download it cos my internet and computer are having a homosexual relationship, so could you give me the general rundown? what are they saying?

im with baino here, i think this thread should be closed till we actually get some times, im also hoping for it to get low 13's but alls we have is 26 pages of speculation and not one timeslip, sorry if it sounds negative but how stupid are you gonna look if your car still gets the same times as a stock vrx, so my tip is wait till you get a timeslip before making any other posts as proof is better than all the speculation thats on here.

cheers
jaz

Why lock a perfectly good thread, their have been plenty of pics and progress in this thread, its the first, sprintex kit to go onto a magna owned by a member of the public, it has offered inspiration and ideas for getting more power out of magna, for a decent price while remaining OEM.

Ive enjoyed reading this thread, although he hasn't got times yet, he has got dyno figures, sound clips, costs, and lots more info. I'm sure the timeslip will be coming. No need to lock this thread IMO. This thread still has more to offer, because VR-X II, will now have time to drive the car and, give us some more feedback on it, as for 26 pages of speculation, all i can say is my tip to you 97vereda is get some glasses and have a good read, their have been plenty of facts in this thread, its a goldmine, even though the times are speculation the speculation is based on some solid facts.

IMO timeslips arn't everything, Id prefer to also hear how the car preforms, in everyday driving, street races ( launching off traffic lights), and how the car handles and feels with the power, through the auto and front wheels, Which there already has been some talk off these issues in the thread.

As as for under 10K for the 90KW's, Bain, a stock magna is about 38 plus on roads, plus the 8-10k on the supercharger, which is in the same territory as a XR6T, and has about the same/more power and torque. So I think the supercharger mod for value for money is great.

By the way VR-XII Congratulations on getting the car back, Im sure your enjoying it, make sure you post up when your going to the strip, I would love to see your car in action.

As as for under 10K for the 90KW's, Bain, a stock magna is about 38 plus on roads, plus the 8-10k on the supercharger, which is in the same territory as a XR6T, and has about the same/more power and torque. So I think the supercharger mod for value for money is great.
I agree with what you said about the other stuff.. But the above i dont.

The VRX new was 42k + onroads + supercharger = 55k or there abouts. I bought my XR6T for 47.4k drive away. IF we were to compare on the overall costs i would have roughly 350rwkw's.. Hardly dollar for dollar value. They are also 2 entirely different engines and respond to mods differently..

But this isnt about my crappy ford :) its about His beasty so lets keep it on that..

I agree with what you said about the other stuff.. But the above i dont.

The VRX new was 42k + onroads + supercharger = 55k or there abouts. I bought my XR6T for 47.4k drive away. IF we were to compare on the overall costs i would have roughly 350rwkw's.. Hardly dollar for dollar value. They are also 2 entirely different engines and respond to mods differently..

But this isnt about my crappy ford :) its about His beasty so lets keep it on that..

Just to add my two bits on the cost, I have just purchased TW VRX AWD new, including the sprintex supercharger, dual exhaust, lowered, tinted, with AMG quake wheels, plus the on roads and insurance for $46k. I'll take one of these any day over the XR6T thanks.

I think if you get it on a new car then the factory warranty remains intact.. but in that vid the only warranty they mention is a 12 month/20,000km warranty offered by AAC themselves on the blower install.

No the factory warranty does not remain intact for the drive train on the new magna if you add the supercharger. once adding the supercharger mmal consider that it is a predominant factor in the cause of any fault due to the extra power. MMAL does not endorse the Sprintex s/c at all. All other aspects of the MMAL warranty remain though.

Just to add my two bits on the cost, I have just purchased TW VRX AWD new, including the sprintex supercharger, dual exhaust, lowered, tinted, with AMG quake wheels, plus the on roads and insurance for $46k. I'll take one of these any day over the XR6T thanks. TO each their own i guess..

Im after straight speed and raw power. Dont get me wrong.. Youve bought yourself an interesting looking car.. But if i want awd id buy a evo or sti.. :)

I agree with what you said about the other stuff.. But the above i dont.

The VRX new was 42k + onroads + supercharger = 55k or there abouts. I bought my XR6T for 47.4k drive away. IF we were to compare on the overall costs i would have roughly 350rwkw's.. Hardly dollar for dollar value. They are also 2 entirely different engines and respond to mods differently..

But this isnt about my crappy ford :) its about His beasty so lets keep it on that..

Not quite, 37990 plus onroads, here is the site VR-X cost (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/mitssite/jsp/pages/vehicles/vehicles_group.jsp?group=magna) so that puts it at about 46-48G plus onroads. your right I probably couldnt get enough fact to match you dollar for dollar in high performnace, but I reckon its closely matched to get the magna to the power/past the power of a stock XR6T. But anway, I was just trying to put the price into perspective, I think its good value. I reckon its a brilliant start to new era of forced induction for MMAL, the magna, the future 380, and most importantly the consumer.

yeah i believthe product is endorsed by mitsubishi, you can buy it as an option when buying the awd vrx i believe

Actually this is incorrect. It is in no way endorsed by MMAL. Mitsubishi Japan would not give the OK. Source - Tony Hamilton at Sprintex.

Not quite, 37990 plus onroads, here is the site VR-X cost (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/mitssite/jsp/pages/vehicles/vehicles_group.jsp?group=magna) so that puts it at about 46-48G plus onroads. your right I probably couldnt get enough fact to match you dollar for dollar in high performnace, but I reckon its closely matched to get the magna to the power/past the power of a stock XR6T. But anway, I was just trying to put the price into perspective, I think its good value. I reckon its a brilliant start to new era of forced induction for MMAL, the magna, the future 380, and most importantly the consumer.
Sorry i was basing the costs off when i bought my VRX back in 03 :)

Maybe MMAL will wake up and try and get into the performance market for their family sedans.. Somehow i doubt it though.

Just to add my two bits on the cost, I have just purchased TW VRX AWD new, including the sprintex supercharger, dual exhaust, lowered, tinted, with AMG quake wheels, plus the on roads and insurance for $46k. I'll take one of these any day over the XR6T thanks.

WOOHOO!!!:D

Awesome. Now there's a nice package.

Traction should be a excellent on that car. Keep us posted, mate.

For me, it's not about timeslips at the drags.

Besides, taking off quickly puts enormous stress on the drivetrain, so I'd be happy just booting it in second and third all day. :badgrin:

*thinks about coming out of an ever-tightening sweeper in a supercharged AWD* :drool:

WOOHOO!!!:D

Awesome. Now there's a nice package.

Traction should be a excellent on that car. Keep us posted, mate.

For me, it's not about timeslips at the drags.

Besides, taking off quickly puts enormous stress on the drivetrain, so I'd be happy just booting it in second and third all day. :badgrin:

*thinks about coming out of an ever-tightening sweeper in a supercharged AWD* :drool:
Thats the problem Mulga.. Theyve slapped a supercharger on the AWD and its only 'just' quicker than the 2wd variant which is hardly what you would call a fast car...

IF that supercharger cost 10k and produced 200kw's... Id raving like a lunatic and getting myself an AWD magna..

Thats the problem Mulga.. Theyve slapped a supercharger on the AWD and its only 'just' quicker than the 2wd variant which is hardly what you would call a fast car...

IF that supercharger cost 10k and produced 200kw's... Id raving like a lunatic and getting myself an AWD magna..

and then, mod the engine internals, change boost pulleys to up the boost, fit/retune the aftermarket ECU, and you would improve on an already impressive AWD package! But don't go to the drags then, as I doubt the transmission would take the power.

I love the AWD concept for roadholding and safety, much harder to accidentally breakout the rear end than a RWD car under power (or drifting if you must).

All credit to DOG13S and VR-X II.

Just curious, is this with stock internals ?

and then, mod the engine internals, change boost pulleys to up the boost, fit/retune the aftermarket ECU, and you would improve on an already impressive AWD package! But don't go to the drags then, as I doubt the transmission would take the power.

I love the AWD concept for roadholding and safety, much harder to accidentally breakout the rear end than a RWD car under power (or drifting if you must).

All credit to DOG13S and VR-X II. But then you are going against ADR Compliancing and warranty which is one of the 'benefits' of this setup.

Add to the fact that these S/C's cant take much more boost without adding an intercooler (which im not sure can be done with this type of unit?).

Im with you on the roadsafety and sticking like glue to the road. High powered RWD's take alot more skill/concentration/time to handle through hard cornering.. Im still getting used to mine and on the odd occasion i will get the backend out (but can control it comfortably).

Im glad to see DOG13S has cleared up a few things on warranty.. Drivetrain void from the showroom.. Thats harsh.. I know mine isnt..

It would have been nice if MMAL could put in parts that are rated a fair bit higher than their current output.. ie a 200hp max rating on the gearbox!

But then you are going against ADR Compliancing and warranty which is one of the 'benefits' of this setup.

Add to the fact that these S/C's cant take much more boost without adding an intercooler (which im not sure can be done with this type of unit?).

Im with you on the roadsafety and sticking like glue to the road. High powered RWD's take alot more skill/concentration/time to handle through hard cornering.. Im still getting used to mine and on the odd occasion i will get the backend out (but can control it comfortably).

Im glad to see DOG13S has cleared up a few things on warranty.. Drivetrain void from the showroom.. Thats harsh.. I know mine isnt..

It would have been nice if MMAL could put in parts that are rated a fair bit higher than their current output.. ie a 200hp max rating on the gearbox!

So, to address all of the above, you need an EVO! Sweet!

So, to address all of the above, you need an EVO! Sweet! hehe pretty much.. But i couldnt afford the 60+k for one and the $2000+ insurance a year..

EVO or STI will be my next vehicle in 5 years time :)

Novated leases rock my world (once i hit the 47% tax bracket again ill buy a more expensive car to drop me back into the 43% tax bracket)...

Novated leases rock my world (once i hit the 47% tax bracket again ill buy a more expensive car to drop me back into the 43% tax bracket)...

just go and find a very creative accountant, he will sort out the tax problem for ya!! lol bugger giving 43% to the government!!

i agree with you too, the VRX will be unqiue and different. But in terms of overall performance and handling the XR6T would have it over the VRX supercharged.
but the VRX is unqiue and not many people would have one.

it would be interesting to race the AWD auto sprintax against a man TJ VRX. I think the 2wd would win.

just go and find a very creative accountant, he will sort out the tax problem for ya!! lol bugger giving 43% to the government!!

i agree with you too, the VRX will be unqiue and different. But in terms of overall performance and handling the XR6T would have it over the VRX supercharged.
but the VRX is unqiue and not many people would have one.

it would be interesting to race the AWD auto sprintax against a man TJ VRX. I think the 2wd would win.
Yeah.. My accountant is pretty hopeless i think.. Need to find a good one..

just go and find a very creative accountant, he will sort out the tax problem for ya!! lol bugger giving 43% to the government!!

i agree with you too, the VRX will be unqiue and different. But in terms of overall performance and handling the XR6T would have it over the VRX supercharged.
but the VRX is unqiue and not many people would have one.

it would be interesting to race the AWD auto sprintax against a man TJ VRX. I think the 2wd would win.

Well just spoke with Tony Hamilton at Sprintex about this particular fact. Yes the XR6T and VRX II would be quicker in a straight line, throw it open to the track and athe sprintex showcar was quicker. At the actual track where VRX II had his car filmed sprintex compared their showcar against a XR6T and around the track the s/c magna had over 100m on it. not that I am saying that one car is better than another, it all comes down to personal choice, and for a large family sedan, with an evo's awd setup s/c 3.5 v6 engine with over 225kw of power (187kw at the wheels with the dual exhaust) I really can't go past the VRX AWD magna, for safety handling and power, when your driving the kids they really dont care about whether it is .5 or 1 sec quicker over 400m they like the rollercoaster effect of throwing it through the corners.

Okies, for a start, let's get rid of the OLD-FASHIONED idea that manuals are better (read quicker) than Tiptronics. That idea is for bogans who still believe that V8s are quicker than anything else.

Next, a new AWD VR-X Magna Tiptronic has a stated 1/4-mile time of around 16.8 seconds. A TJ FWD VR-X Tiptronic is 15.3.

Mitsubishi didn't design the AWD Magna to be competition for the likes of WRXs, Evos, Libertys or any other AWD car, for that matter.

They designed it to be a nice, safe family car with a little bit of grunt. Full-stop!

So, along comes Sprintex and developes a Supercharged AWD Magna that runs in the high 14s. Good-on-them!

If you're looking for the safety and handling of an AWD car, and want the space of a family sedan, and are a Mitsubishi believer; I say go for it!

VR-X II

Okies, for a start, let's get rid of the OLD-FASHIONED idea that manuals are better (read quicker) than Tiptronics. That idea is for bogans who still believe that V8s are quicker than anything else.

Next, a new AWD VR-X Magna Tiptronic has a stated 1/4-mile time of around 16.8 seconds. A TJ FWD VR-X Tiptronic is 15.3

VR-X II

hate to rain on your parade mate but the magna auto boxes aren't efficient enough to keep up with the manuals.

you contradicted yourself anyway because a stock TJ manual has run 14.8 which is a few tenths quicker than the quickest stock tippy :)

hate to rain on your parade mate but the magna auto boxes aren't efficient enough to keep up with the manuals.

you contradicted yourself anyway because a stock TJ manual has run 14.8 which is a few tenths quicker than the quickest stock tippy :)

i dont get what you are trying to say lol

someone here got a 15.32 in there auto TJ Sports (stock i think too). But if you are saying that dropping that time is harder in an auto than a manual, then i agree :)

i dont get what you are trying to say lol

someone here got a 15.32 in there auto TJ Sports (stock i think too). But if you are saying that dropping that time is harder in an auto than a manual, then i agree :)

huh? how can you not get it? lol

VRX said manuals aren't quicker than auto's("old fashioned idea for bogans")

i'm sayin they are, its been proven plenty of times :)

his car as it is now would be quicker if it was a manual...

Okies, the only potential advantage a manual has over a Tippy is that it can rev at say 3,000rpm and then dump. Maybe it will launch or maybe it will lose traction and wheel-spin for a bit - losing 'x' amount of time doing so. The rest is just gear-changing (via a clutch that eats up time and relies on driver clutch-action perfection).

If a Tippy driver wanted to, there are various ways of getting the revs up before launch. In my case, with my Sprintex Magna, I don't have to worry about any of that. It was designed to idle at only 500rpm. No v-room v-room reving at the lights - just sit there and let it idle 'til the lights turn green, then plant it and nudge the shifter through each gear at around 6,000rpm. MAGIC!

All I'm saying is that Tippys are not your typical automatic 'slush-boxes' of the past. Just look at the new Falcon XR-6 Turbo for example. The Tippy version is quicker than the manual. Not only Ford but a whole slew of other car manufacturers have (for many years), designated Tippy-type transmissions for their high-performance vehicles.

And, just from a practical point of view; would you rather be in peak-hour traffic in car with a heavy-duty clutch or a Tippy?

VR-X II

Okies, the only potential advantage a manual has over a Tippy is that it can rev at say 3,000rpm and then dump. Maybe it will launch or maybe it will lose traction and wheel-spin for a bit - losing 'x' amount of time doing so. The rest is just gear-changing (via a clutch that eats up time and relies on driver clutch-action perfection).

If a Tippy driver wanted to, there are various ways of getting the revs up before launch. In my case, with my Sprintex Magna, I don't have to worry about any of that. It was designed to idle at only 500rpm. No v-room v-room reving at the lights - just sit there and let it idle 'til the lights turn green, then plant it and nudge the shifter through each gear at around 6,000rpm. MAGIC!

All I'm saying is that Tippys are not your typical automatic 'slush-boxes' of the past. Just look at the new Falcon XR-6 Turbo for example. The Tippy version is quicker than the manual. Not only Ford but a whole slew of other car manufacturers have (for many years), designated Tippy-type transmissions for their high-performance vehicles.

And, just from a practical point of view; would you rather be in peak-hour traffic in car with a heavy-duty clutch or a Tippy?

VR-X II

you will loose more power through your tippy, mits auto boxes have nothin on the ford or holden boxes, bains said the auto T's are quicker and as long as you buy closer gears your auto LS1/2 will be quicker as well.

I ran a flat 15.3 in my sports tippy (stock) cept for a k&n panel and it wasnt hard to do only had two runs.But i think what people are trying to say which is true that a auto loses some of its power due to the torque converter.Which i beleive is correct also the tippys are setup with a lag between shifts which both could be remedied with a shift kit and higher pressures for the trans and modified torque converter.Not having a go at anyone but believe in stock form the manuals will be quicker but modified i am not so sure.Most drag cars use autos but also have a s*it load more power to waste than a magna.And well done VRX II on your beast. :D

All I'm saying is that Tippys are not your typical automatic 'slush-boxes' of the past. Just look at the new Falcon XR-6 Turbo for example. The Tippy version is quicker than the manual. Not only Ford but a whole slew of other car manufacturers have (for many years), designated Tippy-type transmissions for their high-performance vehicles.

And, just from a practical point of view; would you rather be in peak-hour traffic in car with a heavy-duty clutch or a Tippy?

VR-X II Slightly incorrect, Tiptronic boxes are still auto's with basically a servo switch to 'manually' select the gears (in its simplest form)

The XR6T is a different beast altogether when it comes down to the auto being quicker. The only reason its quicker is because it doesnt come off boost like a manual does.

The standard XR6 (no turbo) manual is quicker than the auto.

If you were to compare a stock auto magna to a stock manual magna, the manual will win hands down all the time by up to .5 second. Its only when you start sticking serious power down through the wheels when the tiptronic 'may' have a slight advantage and thats only on takeoff..

Youre also not going to need a heavy duty clutch for a meer 200kw's atw.. Upgraded yes, heavy no.. So it comes down to what you prefer to do in traffic.. Press the clutch in 200 times or lay back like a taxi cab driver..

I chose manual :)

Anyhow, im gonna bow out of this thread.. Has been a good read.

Congrats once again on your car. Hope it lives up to your expectations down the track!

Okies, the only potential advantage a manual has over a Tippy is that it can rev at say 3,000rpm and then dump. Maybe it will launch or maybe it will lose traction and wheel-spin for a bit - losing 'x' amount of time doing so. The rest is just gear-changing (via a clutch that eats up time and relies on driver clutch-action perfection).

VR-X II

Does the magnas tippy have a torque converter? yes - that means it will never be as fast as a manual, having 11inches of fluid filled paddle behind the engine will always cost power and responsiveness. Now if it was a setup like Ferrarri, BMW and Alfa have with an electronically operated dry clutch then yes they will be as fast as a manual and more dependable as human error is taken out. Sorry dude but a "tiptronic" is just a glorified auto with the valve bodies manualised and faster shifting dialled into the control unit.

Matthius

P.S - love your car :) not trying to have a go at it

Okies, the only potential advantage a manual has over a Tippy is that it can rev at say 3,000rpm and then dump. Maybe it will launch or maybe it will lose traction and wheel-spin for a bit - losing 'x' amount of time doing so. The rest is just gear-changing (via a clutch that eats up time and relies on driver clutch-action perfection).

All I'm saying is that Tippys are not your typical automatic 'slush-boxes' of the past. Just look at the new Falcon XR-6 Turbo for example. The Tippy version is quicker than the manual. Not only Ford but a whole slew of other car manufacturers have (for many years), designated Tippy-type transmissions for their high-performance vehicles.

And, just from a practical point of view; would you rather be in peak-hour traffic in car with a heavy-duty clutch or a Tippy?

VR-X II

I drive a tippy TL VR-X often, and although its transmission is good for an auto box, and the car still goes hard, it is FAR LESS enjoyable to drive than a manual.

i couldnt care how advanced auto boxes are becoming, i will not be owning anything but a traditional manual in the foreseeable future. I guess in your eyes that makes me a bogan? Or perhaps i just like to feel the full driving experience?

It seems strange to me that for someone who's aim, above all else, was straight line performance, started out with an auto magna to begin with :eh:

Okies, so the manual XR6T loses boost, why? Because the revs drop during the shift sequence? If so, isn't it better to have 'constant' revs while shifting, as in the Tippy. I certainly don't lose anything. In fact, my Tippy will actually 'chirp' when hitting 2nd and 3rd under quick acceleration.

Hmmm, press the clutch 200 times or just be in Tippy 1st gear all the time...decisions, decisions.

What you have to take into consideration, Matthius, is that various engine/gear-box configurations suit different car set-ups. And, what you say about the 'paddles' in a Tippy could easily be negated by driver inefficiency in a manual. Btw, thanks for your comment on my Sprintex Magna. :)

VR-X II

You loose power with an auto because
1) they are heavyier than manuals
2) there is no direct drive
3) torque converter has to build up its energy sort of thing, it wastes time
4) with tippy's there is a delay when shifting, not complete control

Manuals will always have more power to the ground due to less transfer loss and there smaller than autos. Oh and ur car looses nothing because it's supercharged not turbo charged, superchargers loose nothing when changing gears in auto or manuals, constant boost being made

What, where, and how do I get one for a 02 Diamante. Hopefully you guys will speak to me. I am in need of a few mods on Quicksilver, and there are no knowledgeable people to speak to here in the US. I can not even get aftermarket shop to order parts for me. HELP. I need brakes, suspension, intake/exhaust rims. HELP Someone point me in the right direction.

Work with me hear people. Can you translate the horsepower and torque in US standards. I have guys laughing :badgrin: at me here because they think the Diamante is crap :disgusted . Need to shut a few mouths.

Thanks

Okies, so the manual XR6T loses boost, why? Because the revs drop during the shift sequence? If so, isn't it better to have 'constant' revs while shifting, as in the Tippy. I certainly don't lose anything. In fact, my Tippy will actually 'chirp' when hitting 2nd and 3rd under quick acceleration.
VR-X II
Sorry i had to reply to this.. I think you need to do some reading up on how your supercharger works compared to a turbo charged car.. A supercharger runs off a belt driven directly from the engine, a turbo runs of spent exhaust gases.

On a turbo charged vehicle a manual will lose boost because when you change gears, your exhaust gases lessen, hence less spinning of the turbine = less boost

On a supercharged system, when you change gears your boost will not be effected as badly as the engine is still running the high revs being directly fed off the engine = continuous boost.

Your tiptronic theory is sound on a turbo charged car, but not so on a supercharger.

The only other problem you got is the tiptronic box is weaker than a 90 year old with pneumonia, the manual can handle applications up to around 300kw atw's as seen in RPW's and Booya's magna's..

Chirping hasnt got anything to do with anything.. Your car is a FWD of course its going to be easy to chirp the front wheels when accelerating as the weight of your vehicle is being pushed to the back of the car = less weight over the front wheels = easier to spin the wheels.

What, where, and how do I get one for a 02 Diamante. Hopefully you guys will speak to me. I am in need of a few mods on Quicksilver, and there are no knowledgeable people to speak to here in the US. I can not even get aftermarket shop to order parts for me. HELP. I need brakes, suspension, intake/exhaust rims. HELP Someone point me in the right direction.

Work with me hear people. Can you translate the horsepower and torque in US standards. I have guys laughing :badgrin: at me here because they think the Diamante is crap :disgusted . Need to shut a few mouths.

Thanks
You could always try contacting Sprintex directly at www.sprintex.com.au. Or for some of the other parts you mentioned, RPW (www.rpw.com.au) have dealers in the US for their range of parts.

1hp = approx 0.75kW
1ftlb = approx 1.35Nm

i would always rather press the clutch 500 times and enjoy the drive, rather than steer my way to the next destination..........
i don't know why it is bogan to prefer driving a manual rather than steer an auto around.
another thing, i am not taking the piss, because i have only driven a triptonic once or twice, but is it possible to keep to revs up when changing gears (up and down) in a triptonic?

is it possible to keep to revs up when changing gears (up and down) in a triptonic? A tiptronic is a glorified auto mate.. Work the same way, but instead of the computer deciding when to change the gear, you 'select' the time to change it..

I guess a manual is seen as a bogan because most people who drive autos either a) cant drive them or b) actually think they are fun to use..

To each their own though...

Gosh, you mean that with a Tippy you actually have to SHIFT THE GEARS MANUALLY!?! But, without a clutch!?! And, you get to choose exactly the rpm to shift at!?! Naw, how much fun could that be.

Oh, and yeah, maybe some manual gearboxes can handle power better than some Tippy/autos, but it's not absolute - did someone say F1s, most exotic European performance cars, drag cars?). My measily 206kW atw is easily handled by my Tippy and delivers the goods I expect from it.

And, btw, I've probably owned/driven more manual cars/motorcycles than most people in this Club have had hot dinners. And, that's not saying that I know more about them mechanically, it just means I have the driving/riding experience.

VR-X II

And, btw, I've probably owned/driven more manual cars/motorcycles than most people in this Club have had hot dinners. And, that's not saying that I know more about them mechanically, it just means I have the driving/riding experience.

VR-X II

ahhhhh, so its just that you are old and lazy nowadays.....now i understand :P

but is it possible to keep to revs up when changing gears (up and down) in a triptonic?

i noticed i could blip the throttle between changes in our awd verada. i dont know if you should do this though.

Gosh, you mean that with a Tippy you actually have to SHIFT THE GEARS MANUALLY!?! But, without a clutch!?! And, you get to choose exactly the rpm to shift at!?! Naw, how much fun could that be.

Oh, and yeah, maybe some manual gearboxes can handle power better than some Tippy/autos, but it's not absolute - did someone say F1s, most exotic European performance cars, drag cars?). My measily 206kW atw is easily handled by my Tippy and delivers the goods I expect from it.

And, btw, I've probably owned/driven more manual cars/motorcycles than most people in this Club have had hot dinners. And, that's not saying that I know more about them mechanically, it just means I have the driving/riding experience.

VR-X II
Being a smartass gets your point across real well :doubt: ..

Last time i drove my tiptronic VRX it certainly dindt change exactly at the rpm i chose, same with downshifting.. And i know when the transmission overheated it slipped between high rpm gear all the time.. You certainly dont get that in a manual.

How can you say your Tippy handles the power when youve had it less than a week? Sure my car can handle upwards of 800hp running through the gearbox, but its not as if it will last very long without strengthening it.

BTW a transmission cooler isnt what id call strengthening a gearbox if you were going to reply with that.

So what youre saying is, youve driven lots of cars.. Wow!!! Congratulations! :shock: ... Are any of your points of view come from mechanically minded experience, or are you just commenting for the sake of it?

Do some reading up mate on what these gearboxes can handle. Ive spoken with our Mitsubishi team who are in direct contact with MMAL's RnD team. I can assure you the power you are putting through your gearbox will wear it out rather quickly if you give it to much. Its not the Kw's but the torque you are putting through it.

If you want to take this to pm's then send me a PM, lets not turn your thread to shit.

Don't get sequential (electronically controlled clutch) gearboxes confused with tiptronics. Very distincted difference.

I'd love a gearbox like the DSG in some Audi and VW models. Sure they are heavier than a regular manual gearbox, but are fast as and sometimes faster becuase of the almost zero timelag between shifts (they start to engage the next gear as they are die-engaging the current one).

But a tiptronic still operates (becuase it is) like an automatic gearbox. So you will still get more loss of power through the torque converter due to the fluid drive properties of it's operation (no direct drive like a clutch). Also engine braking is allot better in a manual (handy in the twisties) as you don't put all the strain on your brakes. Nothing wrong with tiptronic, they will just never be as rewarding as a manual in the sense of driver involvment and pure control over engine rpm.

Having said that, I love what you did with your car and hope you enjoy it for years to come :P

Geez, I hope I don't sound like a smart-arse here but regarding my gearbox's ability to handle the power, who should I believe; a guy who switched to the opposition (but who's opinions and advice I still value)...or, the automotive engineers who worked-on and tested the car for two-and-a-half weeks to ensure its mechanical integrity throughout.

What I really don't understand is why anyone would buy a slower-version manual car over the quicker automatic version - knowing that the lazy, older person next to them at the lights will own them in a drag. As you say, to each his own.

In future, anyone who wants to discuss my Sprintex Magna can PM me.

VR-X II - KEEP THE MAGNA FAITH Division

Oh, and yeah, maybe some manual gearboxes can handle power better than some Tippy/autos, but it's not absolute - did someone say F1s, most exotic European performance cars, drag cars?). My measily 206kW atw is easily handled by my Tippy and delivers the goods I expect from it.

VR-X II

i don't claim to know a hell alot about cars, but i do know that F1s, drag cars, and euro exotics are not triptonic, they are sequential. and they are two different things, like what phonic said.
the only car, within budget that i know of in which to auto are faster than the manual would be the new 6L clubsport. once again, i don't know much, but why do they always test the car's performance in a manual form (if available)?

What I really don't understand is why anyone would buy a slower-version manual car over the quicker automatic version - knowing that the lazy, older person next to them at the lights will own them in a drag. As you say, to each his own.


*sigh* You really have missed the whole point that a few of us have made havent you. A manual capable of doing 14.6 down the 1/4 is more fun to drive than an auto doin 14.3. So you dont find manuals more enjoyable? good for you, most do. Besides, im sure it would not take many mods to have his manual quicker than a stock auto (perhaps by using the money he saved buying a cheaper manual rather than auto? :P

Anyways nothing i say will change your stubborn opinions so this is the last post i will make in this thread :)

the only car, within budget that i know of in which to auto are faster than the manual would be the new 6L clubsport. once again, i don't know much, but why do they always test the car's performance in a manual form (if available)?

Thats beacause in the new model they changed the final gear ratio (i think it was, they definatly changed something) in the auto but they didnt change it in the manual.

who should I believe Im only passing on what i was told when i was looking at turboing/supercharging my VRX.. I was actually going to buy a Sprintex SC aswell :)

It came from Mitsubishi. *shrug*

And the reason i chose a manual was for the fun factor :) I just like to know im changing the gears when i want to and im using the engine braking to my advantage.. + the amount of power i plan to put through the car, the auto gives out at 280rwkw's.. The manual is good for at least 320rwkw's before i need to strengthen the clutch.. Then its good for 1400hp..

lol this debate still going!

bottom line- if you have 2 magna's that are identical(except gearbox) one manual and one tippy, the manual will be faster every time...... if its a normal auto and not tippy the manual will kill it!

no arguements, its fact! :)

Well since everybody is saying something about this I figured I should too.



For everyday driving Automatics are better cause you don't have to worry about shifting especially if you live in a big city with stop and go traffic.

For racing or just having fun with your manuals are better.

This is true when you are talking about stock form.

Somebody mentioned that autos are less efficient, thats true. They rob about 25% of the horsepower mainly because of the torque converter and cause its electronic. However this can be changed by putting a higher stall torque converter on ur car so you can launch at a higher rpm via power braking. You upgrade your valve body so it can shift faster and harder instead of holding the gear too long which my tranny does when I am at full throttle sometimes.

Upgrading the torque converter is the biggest mod you can do to your tranny. Its bigger then headers and intake combined. It will shave half a second off on your cars if you have major upgrades the difference might be even more. When it comes to consistent times you can't beat a auto. But will all this it still won't be as a efficient as the manual cause its works off a computer. It'll be much much closer though cause a higher stall converter will let you put more torque to the ground. I'd like VRX II to try this on his car - run his car right now then upgrade the torque converter and ran it again. I think you'll be surprised.

By the way heat is the number one reason that kills trannys so getting a tranny cooler is just like strenghtening the tranny. I heard our trannys will hold up to 500 hp. Is this correct? Yes, the more torque you put on the tranny the faster it'll wear out but this is true with your motor mounts, and your motor when you start talking about putting more power into the motor and racing it.

Yes there are efficient automatic trannys out there but Mitsu doesn't make em. Its BMW, Ferrari or Benz who makes em. Some cars on the road today use what you call a CVT transmission. Its much more efficient and smoother than our trannys cause it doesn't use the torque converter. If you wanna read more about that than go to howstuffworks.com. CVT stands for continuesly variable transmission that means its adjusts gear ration on the fly. Its actually has belts and pulleys. Here you can read more about it at http://auto.howstuffworks.com/cvt1.htm

Jay





What, where, and how do I get one for a 02 Diamante. Hopefully you guys will speak to me. I am in need of a few mods on Quicksilver, and there are no knowledgeable people to speak to here in the US. I can not even get aftermarket shop to order parts for me. HELP. I need brakes, suspension, intake/exhaust rims. HELP Someone point me in the right direction.

Work with me hear people. Can you translate the horsepower and torque in US standards. I have guys laughing :badgrin: at me here because they think the Diamante is crap :disgusted . Need to shut a few mouths.

Thanks


Hey take the statement back I am in the US and I'd like to think I am knowledgeable....... lol

Somebody mentioned that autos are less efficient, thats true. They rob about 25% of the horsepower mainly because of the torque converter and cause its electronic. However this can be changed by putting a higher stall torque converter on ur car so you can launch at a higher rpm via power braking. You upgrade your valve body so it can shift faster and harder instead of holding the gear too long which my tranny does when I am at full throttle sometimes.




and for for normal street use, will this be practicle... I doubt it, if you want a race car buy a better car then a magna, simple. If you want a practicle and safe and fun as well car to drive everyday a magna is a great choice...

and for for normal street use, will this be practicle... I doubt it, if you want a race car buy a better car then a magna, simple. If you want a practicle and safe and fun as well car to drive everyday a magna is a great choice...

Why did you flow your TB then?

U can make anything fast.

:shock: sorry about that Jay04 did not know there were others like me here in the US. Were are you located? I am in Maryland.

You could always try contacting Sprintex directly at www.sprintex.com.au. Or for some of the other parts you mentioned, RPW (www.rpw.com.au) have dealers in the US for their range of parts.

1hp = approx 0.75kW
1ftlb = approx 1.35Nm


Thanks for the information. I am on it. Jay04 and cthulhu are there any other sites to fix up the 02 Diamante. I here about the suspension chats and I need to get Quicksilver some new legs. What options are out here for me. I read the coilover reviews and need some advice. when I looked at the KYB it shows only for 01 not 02. How about bilsteins..Were do I get strut brace and larger front and rear stablizers. Take any comments here at this time. I have to get her running smooth again.

Lets not jack VRX's thread. I'll PM you.

yeah VR-X II was curious as to where sprintex is located and how much it cost u as i am in the market for similar, i took a look at their website and was surprised to see more than one type of supercharger, which one of these did u have installed on the VR-X.

Any info u can give me would be grate and if i could get u to pm me with the power difference and what cost u gave out, aswell as what else you had to change in order to get her going and looking so good.

Thanks for the interest, DJ_Unknown. A PM is on the way. :)

VR-X II

Hey VR-X II.. did you ever get a dyno sheet out of Sprintex? I'd love to see the shape of the power curve!

Why did you flow your TB then?

fuel efficient mod, dont have to slam the accelerator down and less lag

simple

For those of you in sydney that are considering a sprintex supercharger, they now use Northshore Mitsubish at Artarmon as an installation centre. After a conversation with Jay Upton, chief engineer for sprintex, he said that they have made a few more tweaks to the superchargers in the last week, and I can expect between 235 and 240 kw atf in my TW VRX AWD which is getting supercharged tomorrow at Northshore Mitsubishi. This will equate to just over 200kw atw according to him. Will have to get it dyno'd afterwards and let you know the specs.

Cost for supercharger was $7600 + Installation $600
Dual exhaust system cost $990 with high flow cat back, Genie system.

If anyone is interested in dual exhaust and wants to get the rear bar modified to fit in sydney, I had mine done in Blacktown for a total cost of $465.

okays are there anymore new vids?? 1/4 mile times? dynos?

..Tippys are not your typical automatic 'slush-boxes' of the past. Just look at the new Falcon XR-6 Turbo for example. The Tippy version is quicker than the manual. Not only Ford but a whole slew of other car manufacturers have (for many years), designated Tippy-type transmissions for their high-performance vehicles.

And, just from a practical point of view; would you rather be in peak-hour traffic in car with a heavy-duty clutch or a Tippy?

VR-X II

Did your tippy needed beefing up, made stronger? Allegedly our 5sp tippys are a bit soft when thrashed hard, with stock, or near stock engines... ?

For those of you in sydney that are considering a sprintex supercharger, they now use Northshore Mitsubish at Artarmon as an installation centre. After a conversation with Jay Upton, chief engineer for sprintex

Just out of curiosity anyone seen Jay Upton drag ? He rides a white Triumph(pretty sure it's a trumpy) which me and my mates call the sperm and it's stupidly quick, in the 6 second bracket from memory - I reckon you gotta have big balls to ride a bike that fast, specially when you can't really turn it lol

Matthius

Just out of curiosity anyone seen Jay Upton drag ? He rides a white Triumph(pretty sure it's a trumpy) which me and my mates call the sperm and it's stupidly quick, in the 6 second bracket from memory - I reckon you gotta have big balls to ride a bike that fast, specially when you can't really turn it lol

Matthius

You ever noticed what he does before he gets on the bike to race??? He paces around the start line looking like a nervous wreck.......... I reckon that thing scares the crap out of him, and I can't blame him.

Another interesting thing about that machine is that I've never seen him hold the throttle open for a full 1/4 mile pass, he really has to 'drive it' (on and off the gas) to get it down the track in one piece. If it does low 6 second passes with the throttle only open maybe 3/4 of the time, imagine what it could do if he could hold it flat the whole time. I've also heard that it is the most powerful engine in the world cubic inch for cubic inch.

Oh and as far as being a triumph, well................ the block is based on a triumph engine (but I'm pretty sure the trumpy verson wasn't an aluminum block), thats where the similarities end AFAIK.

Video up. See general section

sorry to dig up an old thread but can someone link me to this video? cant find it anywhere.

cheers

I look through there profile no mention of said video so you tube maybe :)

$7600 for parts from what he has said + labour..

holy crap that's expensive for such a small gain.

sorry to dig up an old thread but can someone link me to this video? cant find it anywhere.
cheers
Not the vid referred to above (by bondy), but there is another one linked in post #29 (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18259&p=253592&viewfull=1#post253592)

(I found it better to save the linked mpg file)


...or maybe PM VR-X II (last online Feb'10) or Bondy (last online Jan'10)

Ahhh that sound is awesome in that vid! Sounds like an aeroplane about to take off :)