Okay - this thread is for the benefit of those that wanted to be updated and follow the progress of the twin-turbo install in my manual TJII exec sedan. So here it is:

Installation started today, and I got the dreaded "we've got a problem...." phone call by 9:30am lol . I knew there would be issues, but I wasn't expecting a call in the first hour of work - but it wasn't too bad, and hopefully there won't be too many more dramas.

Anyone who's considering going down this path should take note now......... the standard wastegate actuators on a GT28 turbo will not fit in the required space. The solution - smaller Garrett (probably t25) wastegate actuators have been ordered at a cost of $130 each. We've decided to go with 5psi actuators instead of 7psi actuators, so it's possible the initial tune might only be 5psi. We have also decided against using the "oil and water line kit" from RPW, so all oil and water lines will be made up of custom speedflow gear.

Another update is that I have decided against trying to keep the whole installation "stealth" by keeping the intercooler behind the std front bar/grill. I have ordered a bunbury motorsports body kit which will help ensure the intercooler gets air without having to hang it out the front of a hacked at std front bar. And speaking of intercoolers - we've just discovered that new legislation in Qld means you can't get a mod plate for anything that involves cutting of any metal (structural or not), which will make plumbing of the intercooler extremely difficult, but hey, it's all part of the fun.

Anyway - I'm sure you're all sick of reading, so here's a couple of pictures to tide ya'll over.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8268/p1010269ox3.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010269ox3.jpg) http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8417/p1010267ul1.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010267ul1.jpg) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5555/p1010268tl6.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010268tl6.jpg)

Thanks for reading, will keep you all updated.

noice! well done mate!

i'm taking the space which is very tight is at the back against the firewall eh?

noice! well done mate!

i'm taking the space which is very tight is at the back against the firewall eh?

There is actually more space at the back than there is at the front, the pics are deceptive because the radiator has been removed. There's still a possibility that I'll have to replace the current fans with slim line fans.

At the rear, the wastegate actuator is only fouling on the gear selector cable. On the front it just physically won't fit full stop.

about 2 months ago my mate fitted a hybrid intercooler (huge) to his R33GTST and had to cut the rio and got a mod plate for that no hassle so i'd check up on that regulation as for some repairs its manditory to cut n weld stuff like rio's and rear rio's n stuff

about 2 months ago my mate fitted a hybrid intercooler (huge) to his R33GTST and had to cut the rio and got a mod plate for that no hassle so i'd check up on that regulation as for some repairs its manditory to cut n weld stuff like rio's and rear rio's n stuff

Just because you get a mod plate - doesn't make it legal. Plus I'm led to believe these are very very recent changes to the legislation. The reason 101 know about it is because one of the cars they built, and had mod plated was defected and the engineer was fined/de-licenced or whatever the penalty for the engineers is.

But I will definetly be doing what you suggest and making some phone calls tomorrow :cool: .

its was for a smash repair (whole front of the car was smashed) so he had to get all the tests done and noone said anything when it went over the pits

good work BB. looks like its comming along well. :)

good work BB. looks like its comming along well. :)

Yeah, it's comming along, and that's the main thing :cool: . All the guys at 101 are very positive about it, and the new fabricator they've hired, who is doing most of the install has had previous experience with RPW because of a 13 second lancer he used to own.

Oh did I mention that all intercooler piping will be polished stainless steel?? :badgrin:

This is so cool mate.Cant wait to see ure dyno!

Bolt on and burn ay black beard? :cool:

Looking good, cant wait to see the finished product!

Mini update:

The two turbos are now mounted thanks to the new smaller wastegate actuators. They will be making custom flanges for the compressor inlet and outlet, because they would have had to wait 2 weeks to order some in. Once they get the flanges cut they can start making up the piping to go from the air filter/maf sensor into the 2 turbos, then from the two turbos into one for the intercooler.

Looks like the washer bottle and some of the powersteering pipes will have to be relocated to make room for the piping into the intercooler. Once all that's done there will probably be a bit of delay while we wait for the bunbury kit to arrive and get fitted.

Couple of pics (courtesy of my crappy phone), one of the turbos with the new actuator bolted on, and a pic of my big bag of speed flow fittings :drool:

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7393/1807061738uz6.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3718/1807061739xa7.jpg

Oh yeah......

If anyone knows someone who might want some standard GT28 wastegate actuators I've got two that I'm gonna be using as paperweights. Pretty sure they have 7 pound springs.

good to see the probs arent too big :D

when do you think you will have this lil bad boy on the road? and its comming along really really well and fast

when do you think you will have this lil bad boy on the road? and its comming along really really well and fast

Conservatively I'm expecting to have the car back within 4 weeks. The guys are treating it as a 'priority job' at the moment (most of you probably don't realise the car was sitting in the workshop with nothing done except removal of the extractors for 2 or 3 weeks). They'll probably reach a point where they can't do any more by the middle of next week - then we'll have to wait for the body kit to arrive and get fitted. It really just depends how much they can get done without knowing exactly where the intercooler will sit.

Bolting the actual turbos on was always going to be the easy bit. All the plumbing of the turbos is a puzzle at the moment, all we've got to work with are a few pics of the engine bay of David and Adams cars, the sump has to come off to put the oil feed/drains in, fuelling still needs to be sorted, we still haven't ordered an intercooler (waiting to see what will fit), body kit is probably a week and a half away at best and I need to decide if I'm going to whack a H/Duty Clutch and LSD in before the event - because it's now evident that doing so afterwards will involve removal of half the turbo piping.

Cheers for reading :cool:

damn BB, you are going hard core here. Good on ya for doing something different. I so can't wait to see this mean baby on the road.

Would it give you more room if the battery was relocated?

Where u getting your body kit from? How much its going to cost u all up??

damn BB, you are going hard core here. Good on ya for doing something different. I so can't wait to see this mean baby on the road.

Would it give you more room if the battery was relocated?

what i'm guessing is that the piping is going to come up towards the bonnet then make a left towards the washer bottle.. thats for both front and back.. they will then meet at some point before going into the left side of the intercooler.. then out the right side of the fmic up to the TB..

induction wise i have nfi how they are going to do that without making a big mess! so maybe they might have to move the battery to fit one of the pods there..

i darno.. why am i even posting this? sorry bb.. tell em how its done! i'm going to go shut up and dream about my tt install somewhere else

Very Impressed BB.

The Sleeper will awaken...

:)

There's gonna be alot of people seeing your rear mitsi badge. Better give it a polish!!

NICE!! Can't wait to see photos of the finished product!

hmmm LSD would be a good idea... that much power with 1 front wheel driving seems to defeat the purpose...

Okay - This is pretty much my understanding of how all the plumbing will work:

K&N Oval Pod and MAF sensor will be located low and behind the front bar. Very similar to the position with the RPW or TH Smoker CAI kit.

From the MAF, will spilt into 2x 2" pipes, one going to the front turbo, the other going over the gearbox, to the back turbo (compressor inlets).

The two turbos are oriented in such a way that both the compressor outlets are pointed up toward the bonnet. 2x 2" pipes will route the compressed air up towards the bonnet, and both will make a 90 deg bend towards the timing belt end of the motor. The pipe comming from the rear turbo will have to come across the top of the timing belt cover and meet the other 2" pipe in the front drivers side corner of the engine bay (right about where the washer bottle is).

These two pipes will join into what will proabably have to be a 2.5" pipe (doesn't look like a 3" will fit) which will make it's way down where the washer bottle is now, under the front bar sub structure and into the intercooler.

Comming out the other side of the intercooler (T/B side of the engine now) will be another 2.5" pipe, which will go back under the front bar sub structure and start to make its way up toward the T/B. At some point between the intercooler outlet and the T/B I hope to be able to enlarge this pipe to 3" (preferably somewhere where it won't be able to be seen).

At this stage, the washer bottle will need to go (don't know what we're going to do with that yet - car's not roadworthy without one), and something that looks like powersteering piping may need to be relocated. On the other side of the engine bay, the battery will definetly need to be at least turned 90 deg to make room, or alternatively relocated to the boot.

Make no mistake - it's messy........ not something I'd recommend as a DIY :cool: .

I'd also like to put a rest to the rumours that the car is going to be a "beast" and lots of ppl will see the mitsi badge (not that my car has one on the back :D ), the initial tune will be very conservative...... we're talking 7psi at the most, but possibly as low as 5psi. So it will by no means live up to the standards set by Booya, Mitsiman, Velocity or dare I say it, JasonsVRX. But it will give me the ground work to produce numbers in the vicinity of 400hp after a rebuild.

Oh and Taras - the kit I have ordered is the Bunbury Motorsports kit, check out the link for them on www.fastmagna.com. All up I've budgeted about $2,500 for kit, freight, fitting and painting.... which should be more than enough.

Thanks for reading guys.

Bolting the actual turbos on was always going to be the easy bit. All the plumbing of the turbos is a puzzle at the moment, all we've got to work with are a few pics of the engine bay of David and Adams cars

wouldn't be able to send me those pics would ya mate?:D :D

Cheers

wouldn't be able to send me those pics would ya mate?:D :D

Cheers

I can do that (pretty sure I've still got your email address), but chances are you've seen them before........ most of them were posted in Velocity's thread about his install, and found one of the engine bay of Davids car on mitsubishiaustralia.com forums.

I'd also like to put a rest to the rumours that the car is going to be a "beast" and lots of ppl will see the mitsi badge (not that my car has one on the back :D ), the initial tune will be very conservative...... we're talking 7psi at the most, but possibly as low as 5psi. So it will by no means live up to the standards set by Booya, Mitsiman, Velocity or dare I say it, JasonsVRX. But it will give me the ground work to produce numbers in the vicinity of 400hp after a rebuild.

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what are you trying to say? :)

Im not in that "force fed" group and dont ever intend to be :badgrin:

what are you trying to say? :)

Im not in that "force fed" group and dont ever intend to be :badgrin:

I think he's saying that even with his new force fed diet he still doesn't expect to have as much power as you've managed.

I notice I'm not on the list.. relegated to obscurity already :cry: :bowrofl:

I think he's saying that even with his new force fed diet he still doesn't expect to have as much power as you've managed.

Presicely........


I notice I'm not on the list.. relegated to obscurity already :cry: :bowrofl:

I don't like to speculate....... but 210 at the treads is my target. If I can't get to that level with 7psi I'll be disappointed.

Wow Mike, glad to see you'r cars on the way, i'll be reading this one with interest....

All the best dude...

Daz

Mate it looks great, relocate your battery to the boot if you need space that is what I did in my TR

Are you getting stainless steel fabrication bud?

Are you getting stainless steel fabrication bud?

Yeah mate - all stainless piping, with the probable exception of the 90 deg bend straight out from the T/B, and probably a couple of other pieces of silicone hose to allow for abit of flex ("million dollar pipe" as one of my mates calls it).

Great work BB. Nice to see that you have done a lot of research into the topic and are doing the job properly. :thumbsup:

Just a quick question as I don't want to start a new thread, but when going turbo does the tuning of the exhaust and intake manifold become irrelevent due to the restricions of the turbine/compressor?

Just a quick question as I don't want to start a new thread, but when going turbo does the tuning of the exhaust and intake manifold become irrelevent due to the restricions of the turbine/compressor?

I don't claim to be an expert, so take this with a grain of salt. But the understanding I've developed is that when chasing big N/A power - the principles of "flow dynamics" are extremely important because you are limited to atmospheric pressure air, so to improve power you need to increase the ability of the engine to flow more air.

In any forced induction application, the principles of flow dynamics become alot less important because the air is under pressure and will follow the path of least resistence without too much trouble. Having said that - there are parts of a turbo engine where consideration of flow dynamics could produce noticable results, these would be the areas where air velocity are at their greatest. For instance - inside the compressor housing (which is why gains can be made from 'flowing' the turbo) and the inside the head.

Essentially you're right - if you were to compare my (ex) RPW Race headers next to the Turbo manifolds / Turbos / Dump pipes - the turbo setup is much more "restrictive"...... but it's more than overcome by the boost.

I don't claim to be an expert, so take this with a grain of salt. But the understanding I've developed is that when chasing big N/A power - the principles of "flow dynamics" are extremely important because you are limited to atmospheric pressure air, so to improve power you need to increase the ability of the engine to flow more air.

In any forced induction application, the principles of flow dynamics become alot less important because the air is under pressure and will follow the path of least resistence without too much trouble. Having said that - there are parts of a turbo engine where consideration of flow dynamics could produce noticable results, these would be the areas where air velocity are at their greatest. For instance - inside the compressor housing (which is why gains can be made from 'flowing' the turbo) and the inside the head.

Essentially you're right - if you were to compare my (ex) RPW Race headers next to the Turbo manifolds / Turbos / Dump pipes - the turbo setup is much more "restrictive"...... but it's more than overcome by the boost.


you sir are correct hence it is why a NA will beat a turbo'd car untill it builds the boost (if they're the same car n mods n everything lol

Thanks guys. That cleared it up for me. I just wasn't 100% certain. How about the intake side though. Would tuned runners/plenum chamber make much difference to the low rpm torque? Or are the compressors too much of a restriction? Cheers guys

you sir are correct hence it is why a NA will beat a turbo'd car untill it builds the boost (if they're the same car n mods n everything

You won't get much of head start before I hit 1800 rpm lol

Okay here's another bit of an update....... apologies for the crappy grainy phone pics, I promise I'll take the digi camera next time.

Sump came off today and the oil and water line fittings started going on. The guys at the workshop were all very impressed by the build quality of the bottom end, 4 bolt mains and something about bearings that went over my head (I'm sure I'd told the head mechanic that the car had 4 bolt mains but he claims he didn't remember). I was interested to learn that the sump had been removed from the car previously :doubt: , certainly wasn't while I've owned it.

The front bar is off, and it looks like there is plenty of room for a 450x300 intercooler in the space very nicely - and doing so will mean the pipes can squeeze thru a gap just on the inside where the front bar bolts to the chasis.

Bah, can't think of anything else - so here's some pics.

Front turbo from underneath:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1994/1907061658mx9.jpg

Oil drain tube for front turbo:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/227/1907061706yo2.jpg

And a pic of the car on the hoist with the front bar off (should have got a front on pic so you could see where we were gonna squeeze the intercooler pipes thru, oh well):
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8927/1907061703pk0.jpg

g'night

Excellent!! Love your work mate. :cool:

Best of luck with the small issues you will encounter!! :D

this twin turbo setup is gonna be king man, so very unique

top shizzle my nizzle.

Can't wait to look at this in person and chat about it... ie meeting at the drags?
I'm having some quality delays

Top work Mike loving the pics too...
peace out

top shizzle my nizzle.

Can't wait to look at this in person and chat about it... ie meeting at the drags?
I'm having some quality delays

Top work Mike loving the pics too...
peace out

Hey AJ - yeah been wondering whats going on with your DOHC conversion. What issues you having??

You'll probably see my car at some QMD events and show 'n shines before you see it on the track....... I don't think I've got enough cash to get the car track ready in version 1 - aiming for that next year.

Hey AJ - yeah been wondering whats going on with your DOHC conversion. What issues you having??

You'll probably see my car at some QMD events and show 'n shines before you see it on the track....... I don't think I've got enough cash to get the car track ready in version 1 - aiming for that next year.

Exhaust place had guys leaving and some old mates making the plates for the ports took longer then guys got sick... New fitter arrived this week and it was done in 2 days...

But you will just come for a straight line drag won't you?? Haha i'll need an lsd too... come on i wanna see it run down the strip, preferably next to mine :D i'd get ya off the line:badgrin:
And so does everyone else on here; can i get an AMEN??

i'd get ya off the line:badgrin:


That wouldn't be hard - it's widely known I can't drive for **** :bowrofl:

:shock:

And so does everyone else on here; can i get an AMEN??

AMEN!! Good work BB, glad to see it going according to plan....well as much as it can. Be proud mate, cause im sure every member on AMC is proud of you! Good work! :D

just one question!

Do you know the approximate cost of this project?

-Daniel

just one question!

Do you know the approximate cost of this project?

-Daniel
Questions like that, are sometimes one's the owner doesnt want to know the answer to :P

The guys at the workshop were all very impressed by the build quality of the bottom end, 4 bolt mains and something about bearings that went over my head (I'm sure I'd told the head mechanic that the car had 4 bolt mains but he claims he didn't remember).
Yeah, the 3.5's good like that. Unfortunately the 3.0 only has 2 :(

just one question!

Do you know the approximate cost of this project?

-Daniel
im pretty sure there was something mentioned about final cost in a previous thread about this, look back about 2 weeks ago. :)

edit:

this should help
http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36898

Thinking of pulling the car out of the workshop. :rant:

New owners took over between the time I dropped the car off, and when they started work on it. They seem to have a very different adgenda to the head mechanic who had previously given me a quote on the work to be done.

They've only been working on the car a week and already $1500 has been added to the bill, and they won't give me a straight answer on wether or not the initial quote included labour :nuts: .

At this stage I can see myself buying a cheap 2nd hand car to run around in and finishing the install myself on weekends. Anyone got a welder I can borrow :bowrofl:

Damn, what a crappy turn of events. Hope you can get it sorted out pain-free.

if ur anywhere near the gold coast/south brissy area i'll help ya out (not the first car i've turbo'd) i got almost every tool (thanks dad) and the know how except the ECU situation so shoot me a PM if wanted man

Hang on. You were given a quote, agreed to it, went ahead with it, and now they upped the price? They cannot do that. Or did i miss something?

Hang on. You were given a quote, agreed to it, went ahead with it, and now they upped the price? They cannot do that. Or did i miss something?

unless the quote given specificly says "includes labor" and doesn't have the disclaimer "price may vary depending on unforseen circumstances" or anything like that then he really doesn't have a leg to stand on

You should of gotten a written quote of the ****holes before she went in, thats what I did with the TR mate if you need any help about it feel free to give me a buzz

Arghhh FFS!!!:angry:

That is such crap!!

Here we are all applauding your efforts and they pull the old "previous owner said this but....."

Grrrr..are there any Italian memebers who are connected? lol

DAMN!!!

:uzi:

dammm BB
just take it out if they are goin to stuff u around, best off to bite the bullet maybe fork out a little bit more to have it done and no stuffing around...

i did that with my haltec install, cost me an extra $1500 and 4 weeks with no car.

also with the new owners, i had a nos bottle go missing in action too :cry:

do you know the first and last name of the old head mechanic? if so, look him up in white pages, give him a call and find out where he is now :D

i reckon you round up all the AMC members around your area and pay him a visit one day, he might think twice about stuffing you around.............

....don't take that seriously lol

I'll "lay down the law" to them on Monday. It'll be a case of; "if you can't finish the job for $xxxx.xx then take my car off the hoist, finalise the invoice and I'll bring in a trailer and pick up the car".

The mechanic still works there, but obvioulsy the new owners don't agree with his quoting. I get the impression the mechanic does alot of work at "mates rates" and the previous owner of the business was happy to let him quote and charge as he felt fit. The new owners are obviously out of pocket after their purchase of the workshop and probably need to get some cash flow thru the place very quickly. Thing is...... that isn't my problem.

Anyway - it's not all doom and gloom yet. I can be pretty convincing when I need to be, so I'm sure we will be able to reach a mutually beneficial arrangement.

I'll "lay down the law" to them on Monday.
*snip*
Anyway - it's not all doom and gloom yet. I can be pretty convincing when I need to be, so I'm sure we will be able to reach a mutually beneficial arrangement.

i'm sure you'll do good mate! hehe. Good Luck!

Good luck. However dont let them stuff you around. It happened once now, it will happen again.

I'll "lay down the law" to them on Monday. It'll be a case of; "if you can't finish the job for $xxxx.xx then take my car off the hoist, finalise the invoice and I'll bring in a trailer and pick up the car".

The mechanic still works there, but obvioulsy the new owners don't agree with his quoting. I get the impression the mechanic does alot of work at "mates rates" and the previous owner of the business was happy to let him quote and charge as he felt fit. The new owners are obviously out of pocket after their purchase of the workshop and probably need to get some cash flow thru the place very quickly. Thing is...... that isn't my problem.

Anyway - it's not all doom and gloom yet. I can be pretty convincing when I need to be, so I'm sure we will be able to reach a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Lemme know if you want me to roll through with a few of the boys.. :bowrofl:

We can always come in and sort something out for ya..

SuFz :rant:

mmmm.. good story. Come on, Monday. :D

Thinking of pulling the car out of the workshop. :rant:

New owners took over between the time I dropped the car off, and when they started work on it. They seem to have a very different adgenda to the head mechanic who had previously given me a quote on the work to be done.

They've only been working on the car a week and already $1500 has been added to the bill, and they won't give me a straight answer on wether or not the initial quote included labour :nuts: .

At this stage I can see myself buying a cheap 2nd hand car to run around in and finishing the install myself on weekends. Anyone got a welder I can borrow :bowrofl:

Update:

Disregard the above statement. Installation is continuing, and when I pop in there tomorrow afternoon they will hand me a written, itemised quote (which we've already been thru over the phone). The extra $1500 mentioned above was to cover additional parts which were overlooked when I ordered most of the required parts, so I don't have any issue with that.

I should have some more pics to post tomorrow night, and based on the progress they made last week - I'm hoping the car will be ready by the end of next week.

Update:

Disregard the above statement. Installation is continuing, and when I pop in there tomorrow afternoon they will hand me a written, itemised quote (which we've already been thru over the phone). The extra $1500 mentioned above was to cover additional parts which were overlooked when I ordered most of the required parts, so I don't have any issue with that.

I should have some more pics to post tomorrow night, and based on the progress they made last week - I'm hoping the car will be ready by the end of next week.

good news

sounds sweet Black Beard

what turbo would you recommend for a single application install? i was gonna go along the lines of the GT35 but they seem to be heaps expensive and i was after maybe a cheaper but still reliable alternative (if there is any)

good news

Tell me about it......... between this and some stuff going on at work at the moment, I hardly slept all weekend. I feel like abit of a :fruitcake today.

sounds sweet Black Beard

what turbo would you recommend for a single application install? i was gonna go along the lines of the GT35 but they seem to be heaps expensive and i was after maybe a cheaper but still reliable alternative (if there is any)

Hey mate,

I almost went for a single turbo install before I found out that RPW sell TT manifolds and dump pipes off the shelf. Shawn from Phillcom recommended BA XR6T turbo for a single application (GT35/40 from memory), and another recommendation I had was a Garrett GT3037 which I think is abit smaller than the 35/40. I don't really know that there is a "cheaper" alternative. In terms of turbo manufacturers with a reputation for quality - Garrett are probably the best value for money from what I have seen, for example you will pay alot more for a HKS or Greddy equivalent. It might be worth looking for a second hand turbo and getting it rebuilt if you want to save money on the huffer itself.

Another thing to consider with a single setup in a 3rd gen Magna is that the only place you can fit the turbo is above the gearbox which means you will have trouble plumbing intake air into the T/B (if you look at pics of Booyas car - you'll notice that the T/B was on the oposite end of the plennum chamber).

Another thing to consider with a single setup in a 3rd gen Magna is that the only place you can fit the turbo is above the gearbox which means you will have trouble plumbing intake air into the T/B (if you look at pics of Booyas car - you'll notice that the T/B was on the oposite end of the plennum chamber).

hi bb!, good luck with the install, hope it goes well, i'm going to have to come back for a visit so you can take me for a drive! :)

as for the above are you sure>?? i've only seen single turbo setups on magnas in the position you mentioned, but why wouldn't it be possible to mount a single turbo low behind the engine next to the firewall somewhere?

as for the above are you sure>?? i've only seen single turbo setups on magnas in the position you mentioned, but why wouldn't it be possible to mount a single turbo low behind the engine next to the firewall somewhere?

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it's "the only way", because you never know unless you try it. We did look at the possibility of placing a single turbo as you've described, Rob seemed to think it would be possible.

But in retrosect, I think it would be very difficult...... as it is now with my install, there isn't much room at the back now that the GT28 is in there, and we had to replace the standard wastegate actuator with a much smaller actuator because it was fouling on the gear selector cables. You also have to remember that positioning the turbo is just one thing, you have to plumb the front bank of the exhaust around the the rear of the engine, as well as a 2.5 - 3" pipe carrying air from the filter / MAF sensor.

glad to hear its going forward again. It would have been a pain in the *** to take the car out in pieces....

Good news BB. :D

Keep up the good work.

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said it's "the only way", because you never know unless you try it. We did look at the possibility of placing a single turbo as you've described, Rob seemed to think it would be possible.

But in retrosect, I think it would be very difficult...... as it is now with my install, there isn't much room at the back now that the GT28 is in there, and we had to replace the standard wastegate actuator with a much smaller actuator because it was fouling on the gear selector cables. You also have to remember that positioning the turbo is just one thing, you have to plumb the front bank of the exhaust around the the rear of the engine, as well as a 2.5 - 3" pipe carrying air from the filter / MAF sensor.

i got shown that could put the turbo at the front then have it going through a barrell cooler straight into the throttle body. would work well :D

i got shown that could put the turbo at the front then have it going through a barrell cooler straight into the throttle body. would work well :D

barrel coolers are the shizzle, do it blake pity everyone doesn't know that you're running a fully sick turbo set up with them though.

Good news mike!! can't wait to hear the figures

i got shown that could put the turbo at the front then have it going through a barrell cooler straight into the throttle body. would work well :D

how do the barrel coolers work. i remember seeing a TT ss and the pipes came up the front into two big barrel's i hadn't seem them before but figured they did the same thing as a norml intercoler. just not sure how


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c127/snafuoz/Jimbuildfronton.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c127/snafuoz/Jimbuildfrontangle.jpg

all i could see is air goes in then the frton acts as a heat excheange

barrel coolers are actually water to air intercoolerrs. piping goes from the turbo outlet to the barrel cooler (inline) to the throttle body. the barrel cooler connects to a water pump and radiator that is activated by a switch (usually activated on boost of temperature, or both :D)

Went down to the workshop this afternoon and found this hanging off the front of my car:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1192/p1010294kh1.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8485/p1010295yq5.jpg

And for the honda fans, a pic of the car on the hoist next to mine. It's got two GT28's in it, so I feel priveliged to have something in common with it. Was pretty impressive on the Dyno too :cool:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3858/p1010301sb5.jpg

Also, asked them how much longer they thought until it will all be done and the general consensus was about a week. :D

omg omg omg that is so hot i almost creamed myself and the honda's ok i spose

after seeing that intercooler BB, i bet u couldnt get the smile of your face! Looking tops!

BB.. Looks like you're sleeping with your car.. I mean in your car from now on!

That cooler looks PHAT! Nice work.. Whereabouts is the work getting done..?

SuFz :rant:

Holy hell, nice There black beard.

Nice cobra off to the bottem left in the honda pic too.

k i've just been drooling over the pix there BB and i noticed the rio isn't on the car (pretty obvious) whats happening with this are u gonna be cuttin it cause theres no way it'll go back on normally with that cooler in there???

:D Looks awesome, bet you're itching to get it back now with that image in your head.

k i've just been drooling over the pix there BB and i noticed the rio isn't on the car (pretty obvious) whats happening with this are u gonna be cuttin it cause theres no way it'll go back on normally with that cooler in there???

Yeah, good pickup. I asked the two guys who are involved with my car about that. One said that they'd consulted with a mod engineer regarding it and it won't be an issue, the other guy said something along the lines of "what they don't know won't hurt you". Comparing it to a pic of Adams intercooler, it sits very snugly behind the reinforcing bar....... looks like he might have went with a 50mm core where mines a 76mm, which reminds me.... I've been meaning to email him to ask what the specs of his intercooler were (possibly a custom PWR core, which would be at least double the price of a decent off the shelf intercooler).


Nice cobra off to the bottem left in the honda pic too.

Yes, yes it is. I've got a soft spot for these myself. It will look 100% better when it gets a coat of paint though.


That cooler looks PHAT! Nice work.. Whereabouts is the work getting done..?

Cheers Sufz. Little place in Slacks Creek by the name of 101 Motorcafe are doing the work. I've been a customer of theirs for about a year now.

seeing that picture, has made me really, want to inject 2 snails under my hood,

that looks good, andi ts gonna look even better when its all done, yeehaa, a magna with twins, oh yea,

hmmm.. i might have to re think my next car options

:D Looks awesome, bet you're itching to get it back now with that image in your head.

I've been driving a standard auto VR commodore for about 4 weeks now........... I've been itching to get back in my car (turbos or no turbos) for about 3 weeks and 5 days. But who's counting.

:bowrofl:

looks hot mate!

was wondering.. where are you sourcing oil from? is there a pressurised oil line you are tapping into somewhere?

Man BB, this looks hot already. Im getting all excited just seeing this baby grow up. :)

was wondering.. where are you sourcing oil from? is there a pressurised oil line you are tapping into somewhere?

Hahaha..... now you're testing my memory. They did show me where the pressurised oil was comming from. Looked like there were some "strategically placed" plugs on each side of the block, about 2/3rds of the way up which they were tapping into to get oil from, and obviously the oil drain is just plumbed straight into the sump, well above the oil level.

As for water, they were going to use the T/B coolant line (which I already had bypassed) to get water to the rear turbo, but I can't remember where they were getting water for the front one from.

I'll be back at the workshop in the next couple of days to drop the new clutch off (Big thank you to Megatron!!!!!!) and I'll be sure to take the digi camera again and hopefully get some better pics of the oil lines for you.

Hahaha..... now you're testing my memory. The did show me where the pressurised oil was comming from. Looked like there were some "strategically placed" plugs on each side of the block, about 2/3rds of the way up which they were tapping into to get oil from, and obviously the oil drain is just plumbed straight into the sump, well above the oil level.

As for water, they were going to use the T/B coolant line (which I already had bypassed) to get water to the rear turbo, but I can't remember where they were getting water for the front one from.

I'll be back at the workshop in the next couple of days to drop the new clutch off (Big thank you to Megatron!!!!!!) and I'll be sure to take the digi camera again and hopefully get some better pics of the oil lines for you.

hehe sweet! cheers mate! hehe.. can't wait to see this all finished and rippin it up!

thats ****in hot BB. stuff gettin a front bar. just leave that hangin there and let others drool ofver it like we are :)

but thats hot.

Cheers Sufz. Little place in Slacks Creek by the name of 101 Motorcafe are doing the work. I've been a customer of theirs for about a year now.

Hmmmm.. 5 minutes from home.. I'll be down that way tmrw I think.. You got PM!

You carry on passed Gamedude and all that right.. Is it the turn before or after Moss St, if i'm coming from Compton Rd (Baker St.. I think)

SuFz :bowrofl:

Okay.. I went and took a looksie and it's coming together quite nicely!

Got a pic or two.. Sorry about the quality.. they're from my phone!

Here's BlackBeards engine showing the piping..

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4803/blackbeardenginecz0.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackbeardenginecz0.jpg)

Here's the FMIC..

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1788/blackbeardfmicqq6.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackbeardfmicqq6.jpg)

Here's the Front Turbo..

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/994/blackbeardfrontturbour5.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackbeardfrontturbour5.jpg)

Enjoy..

SuFz :rant:

Hey thanks for posting those pics Sufz..... for some reason I didn't take any pics of the new pipe work, but damn it looked good.... can't wait to see it all polished up.

Here's some little pics of the clutch that I dropped off to them this afternoon:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/26-07-06_1653.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/26-07-06_1655.jpg

Big thanks again to Alan (Megatron) for organising the clutch for me..... I'm sure it will be a big help.

Hey thanks for posting those pics Sufz..... for some reason I didn't take any pics of the new pipe work, but damn it looked good.... can't wait to see it all polished up.

Here's some little pics of the clutch that I dropped off to them this afternoon:

Big thanks again to Alan (Megatron) for organising the clutch for me..... I'm sure it will be a big help.

I sincerely hope u didnt drop it. :bowrofl:

Oh ive had my 1 second of fame, the work is looking absolute tops mate. Good to see someone actually doing something different rather than,

procrastinating about it,
making threads about it,
asking someone to photochop it,
then making a second thread, asking for ideas
then asking where they could get it done.

then realising that they werent willing to spend the money all the way along.

BB lookin pimp as champ....:bowrofl:
good work cant wait to see the final result.

Here's some little pics of the clutch that I dropped off to them this afternoon:
Big thanks again to Alan (Megatron) for organising the clutch for me..... I'm sure it will be a big help.

Hmmm Looks Like Alan and I shop at the same place ;)
That isame clutch I have.. except my presure plate anflywheel are different.

Haydn

Hmmm Looks Like Alan and I shop at the same place ;)
That isame clutch I have.. except my presure plate anflywheel are different.

Haydn

talkin of shopping for things.. hows ya car going mate? nearly finished? hehe

Whoah. Tbutcher lives!!! :D

How's your Diamante/Magna project going?

Hmmm Looks Like Alan and I shop at the same place ;)
That isame clutch I have.. except my presure plate anflywheel are different.

Haydn

Good to see you're still hangin' round Haydn!!!

To be honest - I don't know much about the specs of the clutch...... only that it came highly recommended for the task.

Same clutch I have too BB. They're strong as, grip very well. Should suit your purposes perectly. They have a really low take up point and take some getting used to tho.

Rest of the gear looks like it's comin along nicely!

Same clutch I have too BB. They're strong as, grip very well. Should suit your purposes perectly. They have a really low take up point and take some getting used to tho.

Rest of the gear looks like it's comin along nicely!


sorry to dissapoint u but BB is a Cushion ceramic button clutch

yours is a modified organic same as mine

Hmmm Looks Like Alan and I shop at the same place ;)
That isame clutch I have.. except my presure plate anflywheel are different.

Haydn


didnt i tell u where i to get them from :D

sorry to dissapoint u but BB is a Cushion ceramic button clutch

yours is a modified organic same as mine
Ooo, fancy. :P I'm still very happy with mine, and i'm sure BB will be with his too!

didnt i tell u where i to get them from :D
Looks like the HD ceramic xtreme....?

cars sitting there begging me to touch it.
I need a clutch master and slave cylinder and hose. thats all :(
Im hoping to have it for end of September... well at least drivable.. not kitted up or interior done or anything.

Alan,
When I saw RAV the other day I told him where I had been and he said that that is where you get yours from all the time.
I have a Cusco hyper single and lightened billet flywheel http://www.cuscoracing.com/img/products/clutch_hs.jpg

got it from overseas second hand then got a new 5 button clutch made up.
just waiting on the slave cylinder etc so I can install it in the car.
Haydn

Update:

Car could still be ready by the end of next week.

Engine Bay 1:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010302.jpg

Engine Bay 2:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010303.jpg

3" intercooler -> T/B pipe:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010306.jpg

The "elusive" rear turbo:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010305.jpg

2.5" intake to rear turbo pipe (this is an absolute work of art, unfortunately I couldn't get a pic of it from underneath):
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010304.jpg

Some more pics......

Where pipe will split from the air cleaner to go to the front and rear turbo compressor inlets:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010311.jpg

I've never seen welding like this before:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010310.jpg

Thanks for looking!!!

PS. Sorry for those with dialup, but I think you'll agree it's worth the wait.

Looks like a top-notch install. :thumbsup:

You'll have one sensational car at the end. :D

Yeah.. I was there today and took a look at how it was going.. The master mechanic was working with the intake piping for the rear turbo!

I left him to it and my mate booked his car in on Monday just coz they gotta chop up his splash guard and move around his Evap Canister, so that we can fit in his new CAI..

So I'll probably take another look on Monday and see how things are going.. HeHe!

All I can say is.. that mechanic is a master.. He really knows his stuff!

SuFz :rant:

The install looks great Black Beard....Look forward to seeing it in the flesh, Drop off a radiator there the other day but forgot to have a look....

All of the welding on the pipes is done with a TIG welder very strong join with very little heat spread....

Looking good BB. :thumbsup:
Can't wait to see the finished product.

dam that looks awsome.looks likea snug fit for everyfing. what happen to the pod. like to see it go wen its done

hey BB dont know if its ment to be this way but your pod is facing the wrong way............................lol

apart from that awsome work they are doing. and that welding that you said youv never seen before i think thats called spot weld.... i think:confused:

but booost here you come

apart from that awsome work they are doing. and that welding that you said youv never seen before i think thats called spot weld.... i think:confused:

No its not spot welding. Its TIG Welding (you need to use TIG because its stainless steel doesnt like MIG or standard stick) and the guy holding the welder isnt a tradesman he is a F$%*ING ARTIST. Thats an amazingly high quality join.

No its not spot welding. Its TIG Welding (you need to use TIG because its stainless steel doesnt like MIG or standard stick) and the guy holding the welder isnt a tradesman he is a F$%*ING ARTIST. Thats an amazingly high quality join.

That's what I was referring to with the "I've never seen welds like that before" comment, but I can't say I ever knew the difference between TIG, MIG or SWIG welding, so I've learnt something there :D .

Have you got heat shielding handled?

Lot of heat in a cramped engine bay.

Have you got heat shielding handled?

Lot of heat in a cramped engine bay.

Dump Pipes are HPC coated, and the oil and water feeds will be shrouded in heat shield sleeve. It's hard to identify where problems might occur, will just have to monitor (drive around with my head out the window trying to catch a whiff of melting plastic lol ), and deal with issues as if they arise.

Ordered a quantity of heat shield tape from RPW (listed as part of the "Twin Turbo Kit"), but can't quite figure out what David uses it for. Turbo blankets are another option.

hey BB dont know if its ment to be this way but your pod is facing the wrong way............................lol


Funny you should say that....... that's actually where we decided to locate the POD filter (well not there exactly - John still has to build a bracket to support it and make the piping to join it).

It looks like the RPW TT Magna's move the POD down to just infront of the passenger side front wheel arch, which we were originially going to try and replicate. I'm actually liking the idea of keeping the POD in the engine bay for a number of reasons:
ease of accessibility
ease of "Plumbing back" the BOV
no risk of the pod filter getting soaked every time it rains
one more bit of polished Stainless Steel pipe in my engine bay

Funny you should say that....... that's actually where we decided to locate the POD filter (well not there exactly - John still has to build a bracket to support it and make the piping to join it).

It looks like the RPW TT Magna's move the POD down to just infront of the passenger side front wheel arch, which we were originially going to try and replicate. I'm actually liking the idea of keeping the POD in the engine bay for a number of reasons:
ease of accessibility
ease of "Plumbing back" the BOV
no risk of the pod filter getting soaked every time it rains
one more bit of polished Stainless Steel pipe in my engine bay

well how are you gonna get cool air in the engine then? a scoop?

well how are you gonna get cool air in the engine then? a scoop?
Little thing called an intercooler.

Yeah, as far as I can tell (and this has been confirmed by the guys building the car), it doesn't really matter where you pick up the air from in a turbo application, because it's going to get heated anyway by the turbos, then cooled by the intercooler.

Getting the air from within the engine bay is probably going to be better anyway because the MAF sensor (which I'm pretty sure measures temp too) will get a reading which is closer to the temperature of air that is actually entering the engine.

cool.........i didnt think abt the intercooler i guess.

Update:

Car could still be ready by the end of next week.



here ya go mike; http://www.willowbank-raceway.com.au/evsc.htm#2006/2007%20Season%20Calendar

I should have mine back next tuesday/wednesday. Lets hit it up the 9th

:badgrin:

Thanks for keeping us up to date with the install Black Beard; it's exciting watching it all unfold! That's some ****ing excellent welding... you should see where I've welded up my exhaust, looks like a 3 year old has attacked it with a flame thrower and stick of lead, hahaha.

Whereas your mechanic, quite simply, by the looks of it, makes it piss!

Dump Pipes are HPC coated, and the oil and water feeds will be shrouded in heat shield sleeve. It's hard to identify where problems might occur, will just have to monitor (drive around with my head out the window trying to catch a whiff of melting plastic lol ), and deal with issues as if they arise.

Ordered a quantity of heat shield tape from RPW (listed as part of the "Twin Turbo Kit"), but can't quite figure out what David uses it for. Turbo blankets are another option.

Go to Dick Smith and get yourself a laser thermometer, take it for a rough 5 minute punt then park it and pop the bonnet and check anything your concerned about.

Id say get some heat wrap and the turbo blankets. Do i need to remind all of you about that burning GTI golf because of the turbo too close to the firewall?

Went in and took a looksie this morning..

Clutch was bout to be put in.. and also looked like the dump pipes were ready to go in too..

They had the car up on the hoist and the gearbox was on its way out..

The crazy mechanic was laughin at ya Mike.. I told him that you're itchin to get it back and that got him into a bit of a laughin fit..

SuFz :bowrofl:

Went in and took a looksie this morning..

Clutch was bout to be put in.. and also looked like the dump pipes were ready to go in too..

They had the car up on the hoist and the gearbox was on its way out..

The crazy mechanic was laughin at ya Mike.. I told him that you're itchin to get it back and that got him into a bit of a laughin fit..

SuFz :bowrofl:

Yeah yeah..... laugh it up both of you lol .

Sad part is he'll probably get to drive it before me. Spoke to them today and they think everything is on track for it to be finished Friday, even though they haven't ordered the injectors yet.

I'll go down tomorrow for a looksee.

here ya go mike; http://www.willowbank-raceway.com.au/evsc.htm#2006/2007%20Season%20Calendar

I should have mine back next tuesday/wednesday. Lets hit it up the 9th

:badgrin:


Let us know when your gonna go down AJ, I wants to run you, Stacky wants to improve to, I'm hoping for 14.6/14.5 and I want to see the Twin Turbo beast down the strip BB, 13's alteast :D

Let us know when your gonna go down AJ, I wants to run you, Stacky wants to improve to, I'm hoping for 14.6/14.5 and I want to see the Twin Turbo beast down the strip BB, 13's alteast :D

If Blake can get in to the 13's with laughing gas (*ahem* cheating :bowrofl: ), then hopefully I will with a little practice.

Don't think it will be the 9th though....... body kit won't be fitted in time.

Don't think it will be the 9th though....... body kit won't be fitted in time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah what is happening with the body kit :confused:














Only joking. It's well under way and should finish laminating all parts hopfully in the next day or two . R/skirt done F/bar over half done

If Blake can get in to the 13's with laughing gas (*ahem* cheating :bowrofl: ), then hopefully I will with a little practice.

I really hope cracking a 13 isn't a final goal of the project, if ralliarts are running low 14s already? :confused:

he's not running high PSI with this project so it wont be making 9's or anything but should still be running hot

If Blake can get in to the 13's with laughing gas (*ahem* cheating :bowrofl: ), then hopefully I will with a little practice.

Don't think it will be the 9th though....... body kit won't be fitted in time.

it'll be faster without the kit :P soz but i cant see what stock ralliarts are running down the drag strip... aussiequarter mile registry only has TZABOY's on there and disciple has the only other time i know but that was with large clutch problems...

the other twin turbo guy, mitsu monsta or something from RPW ran an 11.

the other twin turbo guy, mitsu monsta or something from RPW ran an 11.

different turbo's, plus full rebuild including internals that can handle the boost for >300fwkw's it has, paying for labour on such a set up would cost multiple time the value of the car...

and i was refering to a stock ralliart...

different turbo's, plus full rebuild including internals that can handle the boost for >300fwkw's it has, paying for labour on such a set up would cost multiple time the value of the car...

and i was refering to a stock ralliart...

plus thats with slicks.

low 13's should be easily acheivable maybe high 12's


as for cheating. bah.

plus thats with slicks.

low 13's should be easily acheivable maybe high 12's


as for cheating. bah.

amen to the bah comment

plus thats with slicks.

low 13's should be easily acheivable maybe high 12's


as for cheating. bah.

Ill say low 13's.

I doubt 12's will be possible without slicks..

1.5 Tonne + FWD + crazy amount of power = crappy launch...

Ill say low 13's.

I doubt 12's will be possible without slicks..

1.5 Tonne + FWD + crazy amount of power = crappy launch...
yeh plus BB sux at driving ive heard hehe

but a definate 13 no doubt :D

yeh plus BB sux at driving ive heard hehe

but a definate 13 no doubt :D

Arrrrr 'tis true

:bowrofl: :bowrofl:

and for the record, getting a car into the 13's was not the aim of this project. I'm fully aware that I could have got an s13 or old V8 into the 13's for less than I payed for the magna to begin with :nuts: .

The purpose of building this car was for my driving pleasure only, and the desire to drive something truly unique (okay so not one of a kind - but pretty close :cool: ). I had no intention of "showing" the car, but that changed when I decided to buy the Bunbury body kit, and the only motorsport I ever considered the car to be involved with was circuit or hillclimb - and the car won't be ready for that task until sometime in the new year.

the other twin turbo guy, mitsu monsta or something from RPW ran an 11.


30k later + endless problems and a rebuild or too running 11.98 with slicks and 12.50-12.90 without. I think 13.5 would be achievable and around 250fwhp at a nice level of boost 9-13psi?

30k later + endless problems and a rebuild or too running 11.98 with slicks and 12.50-12.90 without. I think 13.5 would be achievable and around 250fwhp at a nice level of boost 9-13psi?

Actually i think its mid to low 13's with street tyres for Mitsuman's TT Magna.

Actually the car runs 13.2 with street tyres:D

And the endless problems are not so much endless problems so much as we had a goal to continue to find the weak spots so that our customers cars don't.

As we keep finding the weak spots, we fix them and see what else we can break. Hence why the car is able to be a 100% tax write off cause its a continues R&D car. Plus when it is being taken continually drag racing / circuit racing all the time, you expect to break things. Its not like it is driven only occasionally on boost, it lives on boost.

But that experience comes through to the cars we now work on little things like sourcing better qaulity silicone hosing that actually becomes grippier the hotter it gets and things like that. ANd of course the new way we now tune the greddy emanages for turbo setups which has increased the reliability of tuning by 100% over previous efforts is a big step forward and was always one of our weaknesses.

Actually the car runs 13.2 with street tyres:D

And the endless problems are not so much endless problems so much as we had a goal to continue to find the weak spots so that our customers cars don't.

As we keep finding the weak spots, we fix them and see what else we can break. Hence why the car is able to be a 100% tax write off cause its a continues R&D car. Plus when it is being taken continually drag racing / circuit racing all the time, you expect to break things. Its not like it is driven only occasionally on boost, it lives on boost.

But that experience comes through to the cars we now work on little things like sourcing better qaulity silicone hosing that actually becomes grippier the hotter it gets and things like that. ANd of course the new way we now tune the greddy emanages for turbo setups which has increased the reliability of tuning by 100% over previous efforts is a big step forward and was always one of our weaknesses.

David,

Regarding this new method of tuning, was this developed out of a lack of experience tuning the emanage to turbos in general, or is it magna specific. The tuner who will be tuning my car has plenty of experience tuning turbo vehicles with the emanage, but the only experience tuning magnas has been my 2 cars.

PM or email me if you want :cool: .

It was developed from tuning on the emanage for any turbo application. When we first started doing emanages I was'n't personally doing the tuning but was hiring someone who was very experienced, but of course the greddy was very new at the time as well

Since then i have been doing some more research on my own car and on the last two turbo lancers I did with this new method and found much more consistant results and 100% improved reliability in the tuning stopping variations in air/fuel ratios with partial throttle / boost situations.

Found this problem when I did some racing at wanneroo when specific throttles were getting widly different air/fuel ratio's from very rich to very lean. Explained a few early problems with my car.

Last three cars I have done (I now do my own tuning personally) all now done this new method and works a treat no more inconsistant air/fuel ratio's which is a good thing.

Cool!!

Thanks for clearing that up :cool: .

Update for those trying to keep a tally of how much this is costing me :cool: .

Ordered the injectors today..........
$248 each :shock:

Was hoping to get away with it abit cheaper than that......... oh well.

whats the total price to date

too much :P

Update for those trying to keep a tally of how much this is costing me :cool: .

Ordered the injectors today..........
$248 each :shock:

Was hoping to get away with it abit cheaper than that......... oh well.

how many CC are they?

too much :P

Thats the one!!!!


how many CC are they?

400

He's uttered 210 at the wheels once or twice a think... definately not disappointing, nearly a 100kw improvement over a stock car.

Update for those trying to keep a tally of how much this is costing me :cool: .

Ordered the injectors today..........
$248 each :shock:

Was hoping to get away with it abit cheaper than that......... oh well.

Mate what type of injector are they that seems high for 400cc I recently picked up some sard 800cc for under 1k new from greenline.jp and venom's? 600cc for 550 suited for magnas

Also is 400cc enough. I've got 375's in my TR now and duty cycle is loading up near 100% GSR lancers 1.8 turbos come stock with 375s I thought 500-600 would be more suited for your application ?

He's uttered 210 at the wheels once or twice a think... definately not disappointing, nearly a 100kw improvement over a stock car.


I think traction and suspension setup plays more of a important factor in the FWD cars when wanting to run low times I mean if RPWS twin turbo can only do 13.2 with 450odd fwhp and NA's are running flat 14's with half that give take some its certainly saying something

Mate what type of injector are they that seems high for 400cc I recently picked up some sard 800cc for under 1k new from greenline.jp and venom's? 600cc for 550 suited for magnas

Also is 400cc enough. I've got 375's in my TR now and duty cycle is loading up near 100% GSR lancers 1.8 turbos come stock with 375s I thought 500-600 would be more suited for your application ?

They are a bosch injector. Look very similar to this, which is apparently a 440:
http://www.injectorsonline.com/img/prodimg/968.gif

As for will they be enough...... no idea, that's why I left it to the experts. The workshop knows I will eventually build the car up to take more than 6-7psi boost and claim these injectors will support that.

They are a bosch injector. Look very similar to this, which is apparently a 440:
http://www.injectorsonline.com/img/prodimg/968.gif

As for will they be enough...... no idea, that's why I left it to the experts. The workshop knows I will eventually build the car up to take more than 6-7psi boost and claim these injectors will support that.

WTF!?!?!?! Those are the injectors my raggedy 5cyl ute has in it?! Why the hell do i have kick ar$e injectors?

EDIT:

Photo of what i'm looking at. Am i right?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/The_Monk/Ute/DSCF0504.jpg

WTF!?!?!?! Those are the injectors my raggedy 5cyl ute has in it?! Why the hell do i have kick ar$e injectors?

EDIT:

Photo of what i'm looking at. Am i right?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/The_Monk/Ute/DSCF0504.jpg

No idea mate...... as I've said before....... I don't know jack about injectors. They are the one thing in the project that I couldn't plan for because no one could tell me what kind of injectors the magna even has in it from the factory let alone what aftermarket types would fit.

I tired mitsubishi, I tried bosch, I tried numerous companies that import aftermarket injectors..... no one could tell me sh*t.

What ECU do you plan on running mate?

What ECU do you plan on running mate?

He has Greddy Emanage... am I right in thinking this can be retuned for a turbo application? Or is a whole new ECU required?

He has Greddy Emanage... am I right in thinking this can be retuned for a turbo application? Or is a whole new ECU required?
I don't know alot about this stuff, but i assume he's just using his standard ECU with the Greddy Emanage as a piggy back.

He has Greddy Emanage...am I right in thinking this can be retuned for a turbo application? Or is a whole new ECU required?

You are right. Mitsiman used the E-Manage in his TT car up until just recently.

The E-Manage can monitor a MAF and a MAP sensor at the same time, and has boost control options, so it's potentially a nice choice if you don't want the hassle of a full replacement ECU.

You are right. Mitsiman used the E-Manage in his TT car up until just recently.

The E-Manage can monitor a MAF and a MAP sensor at the same time, and has boost control options, so it's potentially a nice choice if you don't want the hassle of a full replacement ECU.

Oh cool! :cool:

By the sounds of it, there wouldn't really be a huge advantage in replacing the ECU... what WOULD the advantages be, if any?

Oh cool! :cool:

By the sounds of it, there wouldn't really be a huge advantage in replacing the ECU... what WOULD the advantages be, if any?

1. Being able to remove the MAF sensor if it became a restriction on the air intake
2. Being able to use different throttle body arrangements and sizes
3. If you install big cams the factory ECU can't cope with a cold engine start (maybe not so important for a turbo.. it bit me with my N/A car though)


Also, you'll always get finer control over injector duty cycles and ignition timing with a full replacement ecu, so you can probably reasonably expect a few % more with a full replacement ecu than you can with a piggy back with exactly the same car.

Can an emanage control timing?

Can an emanage control timing?

Yes, but I expect like most piggy-backs it can only do so as a +/- X degrees on whatever the factory ECU does.

Thats not too bad then, but it really needs to retard timing when the motor is producing boost.

What is the MAF's range for boost? I would have thought that.

Excuse my ignorance when it comes to Piggyback units, I have only ever installed/tuned Fully programmable ECUs

Thats not too bad then, but it really needs to retard timing when the motor is producing boost.

What is the MAF's range for boost? I would have thought that.

Excuse my ignorance when it comes to Piggyback units, I have only ever installed/tuned Fully programmable ECUs

Take out plenty of timing and add fuel to begin with, then gradually add timing back into it, monitoring the fuel as you go.

That's pretty much my understanding of how it will be tuned from the converstation I had with the tuner, I'm sure there's more to it than that but going by what he told me, that's the basic idea behind tuning from N/A to a boost situation. And it won't be tuned in a hurry, he made it pretty clear that it will take time to get it right, I've budgeted for 6 hours on the dyno.

As for the capabilities of the Mitsubishi MAF sensor, I'm pretty sure David from RPW was only just reaching it's limitations at about 18psi, but it could have been more than that, and I have a feeling that was more to do with the amount if was able to flow as opposed to it's range for boost. Also - I'm positive Adam is still running factory ECU with a Greddy Emanage piggyback, and is making over 400hp at the wheels with that configuration.

Sounds like a decient setup then. Should work well.

They are a bosch injector. Look very similar to this, which is apparently a 440:
http://www.injectorsonline.com/img/prodimg/968.gif

As for will they be enough...... no idea, that's why I left it to the experts. The workshop knows I will eventually build the car up to take more than 6-7psi boost and claim these injectors will support that.


I'd tell them to take alook at www.greenline.jp or www.racespec.com.au getting some nice 700cc will keep you covered for the future and also will be less than 240 each for a 440cc

so your getting the car back today?

I'd tell them to take alook at www.greenline.jp or www.racespec.com.au getting some nice 700cc will keep you covered for the future and also will be less than 240 each for a 440cc

Having injectors that are too big can create its own problems.

I'm sure the shop building the car has a fair idea on appropriate injector sizings.

[QUOTE=Black Beard]Take out plenty of timing and add fuel to begin with, then gradually add timing back into it, monitoring the fuel as you go.

That's pretty much my understanding of how it will be tuned from the converstation I had with the tuner, I'm sure there's more to it than that.../QUOTE]

The principles behind tuning an EFI car are fairly straight forward, so there's not much detail left out of what he's told you.

so your getting the car back today?

Probably not now. Even if it was ready...... I probably won't be able to finalise the bill until I get again paid next Thursday :bowrofl: .

How's the bodykit coming along? Will there any issues mounting the front bar now that you've got that monstrosity hanging off the front of the car? I'm sure your mechanic measured it to fit anyhow.

How's the bodykit coming along? Will there any issues mounting the front bar now that you've got that monstrosity hanging off the front of the car? I'm sure your mechanic measured it to fit anyhow.

Bodykit should be shipping from WA any day now......... part of the reason I won't be able to finalise the bill with the workshop until next week now. There shouldn't be any issue mounting the new front bar over the FMIC, infact the factory front bar will only need to lightly modified to fit over it, and the Bunbury front bar fits over the factory bar.

Thats not too bad then, but it really needs to retard timing when the motor is producing boost.

What is the MAF's range for boost? I would have thought that.

Excuse my ignorance when it comes to Piggyback units, I have only ever installed/tuned Fully programmable ECUs

When boosting with the Greddy Emanage, as well as the Injector and Ignition Harness, it is highly advisable to purchase the Greddy Pressure Sensor and associated Harness to detect boost, and allow better tuning according to manifold pressure, and not just airflow :D

This is the method im using on a customers car :D

Bodykit should be shipping from WA any day now......... part of the reason I won't be able to finalise the bill with the workshop until next week now. There shouldn't be any issue mounting the new front bar over the FMIC, infact the factory front bar will only need to lightly modified to fit over it, and the Bunbury front bar fits over the factory bar.

So can you remove the factory bar totally and just use the Bunbury one? Or does it need the factory bar to mount it?

Might go take a looksie and see how it's all come together.. Hmm.. Reckon I could coax him into taking us for a little drive..

LOL! Just teasin Mike.. I'll make sure I take a video for you! ROFLMAO!

Nah nah.. I've gotta go take my cousins Golf GTi over there.. wants a FMIC n that.. So I'll see if I can get some updated pictures of the dump pipes.. Thats if its still on the hoist!

SuFz :bowrofl:

Might go take a looksie and see how it's all come together.. Hmm.. Reckon I could coax him into taking us for a little drive..

LOL! Just teasin Mike.. I'll make sure I take a video for you! ROFLMAO!

Nah nah.. I've gotta go take my cousins Golf GTi over there.. wants a FMIC n that.. So I'll see if I can get some updated pictures of the dump pipes.. Thats if its still on the hoist!

SuFz :bowrofl:

Not on the hoist anymore, and they haven't done a great deal in the last couple of days; cut the reinforcement bar to accomodate the intercooler, pulled the fuel rails and injectors out, pulled all the intake and intercooler piping to polish it, thats about it.

If you ****ing get a drive of it before I do I'm gonna rip someones nuts off......... not having the car is really starting to effect me. Because if was off the hoist today when I went down, I got to sit in the drivers seat and play with my short throw shifter, press the clutch and throttle pedals, make "brrooooooommm broooommmmmmm, pssshhhhtt brrrrrooommmm" noises. Not a good idea, now I really really really want the car back!!!!

Not on the hoist anymore, and they haven't done a great deal in the last couple of days; cut the reinforcement bar to accomodate the intercooler, pulled the fuel rails and injectors out, pulled all the intake and intercooler piping to polish it, thats about it.

If you ****ing get a drive of it before I do I'm gonna rip someones nuts off......... not having the car is really starting to effect me. Because if was off the hoist today when I went down, I got to sit in the drivers seat and play with my short throw shifter, press the clutch and throttle pedals, make "brrooooooommm broooommmmmmm, pssshhhhtt brrrrrooommmm" noises. Not a good idea, now I really really really want the car back!!!!

haha thats exactly what i would have done lol, ooooh new car tomorrow yayaya

Well well.. Mike, I missed you by 15/20mins..

The owner was telling me that they were busy polishing up this and that and getting the last nitty gritty things organised!

Hey mike.. When you pull this thing outta there.. Lemme know.. I wanna be there to take it for a strap too! Hmm.. New Grippy Clutch.. I'm thinking you may need to order some new tyres soon.. :D :D

SuFz :rant:

The owner was telling me that they were busy polishing up this and that and getting the last nitty gritty things organised!


Bah, he lies lol

The pipes had been pulled out of the car since Tues/Wednesday waiting to be polished. Were going to be polished today apparently until the apprentice cut his hand open.

At this stage I'm thinking of taking Thursday off work and picking it up then...... but that's based solely on the fact that Thursday is pay day, and I won't be able to pick it up earlier even if they finish it.

Bah, he lies lol

The pipes had been pulled out of the car since Tues/Wednesday waiting to be polished. Were going to be polished today apparently until the apprentice cut his hand open.

At this stage I'm thinking of taking Thursday off work and picking it up then...... but that's based solely on the fact that Thursday is pay day, and I won't be able to pick it up earlier even if they finish it.

LOL!

He cut his finger.. Nicely too! But I dunno why it'd stop em.. Varoon got some duct tape and tape it up and went ahead fitting a set of Kings to another mates S15..

Ahh well.. Don't question the businessman!

I'll be down there again next week Friday morning, the crazy mechanic gotta get the Golf up on the hoist to try and look for spacing for the FMIC piping!

SuFz :rant:

Might as well post this pic here, my "Sierra Cosworth" bonnet vents arrived from Sydney Special Vehicles today. Following is a pic of them sitting on the bonnet of the missus' TJ. I knew they would look good on the TJ bonnet, but even I'm plesently surprised with how well they match the lines of the bonnets "beak"

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/04-08-06_1945.jpg

WHY?!

Why the vents?!

Looks like its gonna be a silver version of Velocity's car..

SuFz :rant:

WHY?!

Why the vents?!

Looks like its gonna be a silver version of Velocity's car..

SuFz :rant:

I would have thought the "why?" would be pretty obvious........ 2 turbos generate a **** load of heat.

As for being a silver version of Velocity's car........ well what can I say. If I put a JVM front bar on it, I'd be called "a silver version of Mitsimans car" :nuts: .

As far as I can tell, this will be the 3rd twin turbo V6 magna in the country, and you're accusing me of being a copycat :gtfo:

Do you even own your own car???

Ha Ha Pwned

Might as well post this pic here, my "Sierra Cosworth" bonnet vents arrived from Sydney Special Vehicles today. Following is a pic of them sitting on the bonnet of the missus' TJ. I knew they would look good on the TJ bonnet, but even I'm plesently surprised with how well they match the lines of the bonnets "beak"
Yeah the vents look pretty sweet ay... might look better colour coded hey!!! does match the beak of the TJ pretty sweet... Chuck em on ay!!

I would have thought the "why?" would be pretty obvious........ 2 turbos generate a **** load of heat.

As for being a silver version of Velocity's car........ well what can I say. If I put a JVM front bar on it, I'd be called "a silver version of Mitsimans car" :nuts: .

As far as I can tell, this will be the 3rd twin turbo V6 magna in the country, and you're accusing me of being a copycat :gtfo:

Do you even own your own car???

LOL!

Sorry man.. I shoulda seen that coming.. I just woulda thought you may have gone a different style of vent..

Don't get angry at a brother now.. I didn't mean to throw it in ya face..

No hard feelings man..

SuFz :rant:

Just an idea with the cosworth vents rather than cut into the bottom and have a distinct line showing where the vents are stuck on, get the vents moulded to the bonnet to give a smoother finish. Makes the vents less "stuck on"

Might as well post this pic here, my "Sierra Cosworth" bonnet vents arrived from Sydney Special Vehicles today. Following is a pic of them sitting on the bonnet of the missus' TJ. I knew they would look good on the TJ bonnet, but even I'm plesently surprised with how well they match the lines of the bonnets "beak"


Sorry to do this BB. I have a mate with bonnet vents on his car, cops pulled him over the first time they saw them and defected him. Reason is that it's illegal to have openings in ur bonnet facing the windscreen due to oil comming out. Even if you car has the cleanest engine bay ever they will still get you for it

Sorry to do this BB. I have a mate with bonnet vents on his car, cops pulled him over the first time they saw them and defected him. Reason is that it's illegal to have openings in ur bonnet facing the windscreen due to oil comming out. Even if you car has the cleanest engine bay ever they will still get you for it

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

forget about cops, u have 2 turbo's, a BOV and an FMIC... they are gunna pick on you anyways

ive never been pulled over for my useless pod vent either, hell my new car ive never been pulled over in! only followed, tho i dunno what its like over in the eastern states compared to perth.


Install looks tops mate, cant wait to see her finished

nah cops only pull over pieces of **** generally, I think in a poll the vl commo was the main target. They will proberly show more interest if anything bud

I think its how the car looks. Thats why sleepers rock, they dont get a glance from anyone!

I think its how the car looks. Thats why sleepers rock, they dont get a glance from anyone!

I personally think it's a combination of how the car looks, and how, where and when it's driven.

Regardless of whether or not you drive like a "hoon", if you're driving a non standard car, in/around a known "hoon hotspot" on a Thursday night in Brisbane your chances of being pulled over and defected are very high.

There's probably also some truth to the theory that certain types of cars will attract alot more attention than others. I'd wager VL commodores and R32 'lines are pretty high on the list of most defected car models.

At the end of the day........ I've made a choice to drive a fairly heavily modifed car, and the prospect of attracting police attention is something I have taken into account.

Yeah if your sensible then you should have no dramas :)

That and a MOD plate generally scares them off, as they dont know the rules off hand on what they CAN or CAN'T book you for.

Being built at a shop, your car should be about as legit as they get and look professional enough to have no dramas anyway from what I can see in the pics.

Hey BB any further progress on your car? be watching this thread religiously lol since post one cant wait to here more info/see more pics!

Hey BB any further progress on your car? be watching this thread religiously lol since post one cant wait to here more info/see more pics!

Hey mate,

Update hey..... well progress made last week was pretty minimal. Basically all the intake and intercooler piping is made, and they pulled it all out of the car to be polished last Tuesday. Yesterday they started polishing it, and hopefully it will be finished and installed back into the car today. While that was going on, there was a little bit of advancement made on the fuel system in terms of getting the injectors and fuel pump ordered, and the injectors needed to be turned down on a lathe to fit properly.

As at yesterday afternoon, they had welded dash fittings onto the fuel rails to accomodate a larger braided fuel intake line, and replace the useless little metal pipe between the two fuel rails on the drivers side of the engine bay. Spoke to them this morning and the fuel pump had been installed, the pipes were being polished, the fuel rail spacers were being picked up, so hopefully when I get down there today they will be pretty close to having all the pipes installed back into the engine bay and the fuel injectors / rails bolted back up and the intake manifold refitted.

It's looking extremely promising for the car to be running, and being tuned on Friday but may not be ready for me to take it home for the weekend :cry: . There's still alot of work to be done putting everything back together, for example - fitting the new low profile thermo fan, fitting the new washer bottle, modifying and re fitting the front bar, refitting the engine cross member, making a new mounting plate for the battery etc etc etc.

I'll take my camera down this afternoon and hopefully be able to get some good shots of the fuel lines, and maybe even the polished intake pipes installed.

Cheers!

Most. Interesting. Thread. Evaar.

Can't wait to check this thing out in the flesh when i come up there in a couple of months :D.

Not long now Mike... Cant WAIT to see this thing in the flesh...

Bring on more pics!!!

Daz

BB if I'm this excited just reading about your car, I can't imagine how excited you must be :D. Can't wait to see the finished pics :thumbsup:

BB if I'm this excited just reading about your car, I can't imagine how excited you must be :D. Can't wait to see the finished pics :thumbsup:

You'd think I'd be excited hey, but to be honest with you - the excitement is pretty well masked by anxiety and stress....... mostly brought about by money lol

For the amount of money I've invested, it feels like I haven't yet got anything to show for it...... It's been 6 weeks today since I dropped the car off at the workshop, and all I want to do is drive the bloody thing so I can see where all the money has gone.

As promised, I have some pics from my visit to the workshop today.......... sorry to keep you all waiting, but I'll post them up after I've had some dinner.

Later.

Eat faster :rant: :rant: :rant:

Eat faster :rant: :rant: :rant:
haha :stoopid:

Okay as promised:

Fuel Rail from the Driver Side of the engine bay:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010323.jpg

Fuel Rail from the front:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010324.jpg

From the passenger side of the engine bay, showing the fuel inlet line:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010325.jpg

Side shot of engine bay without intake/intercooler piping installed:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010326.jpg

Couple more to come..........

My intake/intercooler pipes, all polished up ready for re-installation:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010327.jpg

Pic of the FMIC with the front intrusion bar fitted over the top:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l292/black_beard_2006/P1010329.jpg

Thats pretty much all that was worth taking a photo of....... hopefully the next image I post will be a dyno sheet

:D Lucky bastard

is that the stock fuel rail BB

is that the stock fuel rail BB

Yes it is.

hmmm looks smick mate

BB, your front drivers side engine mount looks buggered man. Might wanna have a look. :shock:

Engine bay looks niiice man. Can't wait to see the dyno figure. :drool:

BB, your front drivers side engine mount looks buggered man. Might wanna have a look. :shock:

How do you figure??

How do you figure??
Just by looking at it. That's how mine looked... It's still the standard rubber one yeah? The middle of the mount is only joined to the outside (which is liquid filled) by a very thin piece of rubber. Mine was completely free of the outside of the mount and was just sitting there. Yours looks similair... might be worth checking out.

How do you figure??
it looks entirly different to the passenger side one...

Just by looking at it. That's how mine looked... It's still the standard rubber one yeah? The middle of the mount is only joined to the outside (which is liquid filled) by a very thin piece of rubber. Mine was completely free of the outside of the mount and was just sitting there. Yours looks similair... might be worth checking out.

Can't work out which pic is giving you that impression, but I'll check it out. I used to inspect them on a weekly basis before I dropped it off to them and it hasn't been driven since they took the extractors off 5 weeks ago.

It might look abit warped in some of the most recent pics because the engine cross member (including bottom engine mount) is removed.

*edit* - all the engine mounts are destined to be replaced anyway, but I've pretty much run out of money at this stage. I'm 99% sure they are all intact so I'm confident I can get away with them for another month or 2.

In the pic Ffeeky posted I noticed it. The inner part of the rubber mount has come away from the inside of the mount... That's pretty much how mine looked from a distance. I could be horribly wrong, but even if it is still intact, it won't last but a couple hard launches in your new rig and IMO you should replace it with one that Megatron sells. Only $110 and easy to do yourself.

Edit: Ah ok man. Yeah, you will need them all replaced anyway... Can't wait to see a dyno sheet man. I'm thinkin of driving down when it goes on the dyno... reckon you would be able to let me know when it's gonna happen and gimme a call or somethin? :shock:

Edit: Ah ok man. Yeah, you will need them all replaced anyway... Can't wait to see a dyno sheet man. I'm thinkin of driving down when it goes on the dyno... reckon you would be able to let me know when it's gonna happen and gimme a call or somethin? :shock:

I'm taking tomorrow off work on the hope that it should be on the dyno being tuned. It could very well be on the dyno all day, and not be finished at the end of the day.

If you are that keen, PM me your mobile phone number, and I'll give you a call when I know for sure if you like.

Pm sent. Pretty keen depending on how far it is. :shock:

Pm sent. Pretty keen depending on how far it is. :shock:

About 20 mins South of Brisbane.

Nice job - two small things (probably just an opinion here) - for stealth, paint the intercooler black, and the blue intake manifold looks out of place in the engine bay.

Other than that - very nice.

Cheers
Heath Young

Hey BB, are you installing a KILL SWITCH into your car? Just a thought i had this morning, as we dont want to happen to your car, what happened to BOOYA.

Oh... BB, let me know when you will be at the dyno mate.. i will come down for a look ;)

Hey BB, are you installing a KILL SWITCH into your car? Just a thought i had this morning, as we dont want to happen to your car, what happened to BOOYA.

Oh... BB, let me know when you will be at the dyno mate.. i will come down for a look ;)

I'm with Thorsten.. I wouldnt mind takin a looksie when you're on the dyno!

I'm either going there this arvo or tomorrow morning.. Gotta get some things done!

I'll see how they're going with it..

SuFz :rant:

you'll be right BB just keep throwing money at it, its all good :D

I'm glad you bit the bullet and went ahead with it, if it was me i would be sitting in the corner of the room in the fetal position waiting for the missus to throw me some left overs or getting ready for the next round of verbal punishment:nuts: :nuts:


guys leave the man alone let them finish the car first I'm sure there will be more than enough QMD guys to chip in $$ for a few dyno runs after he gets his car back

Hey BB, are you installing a KILL SWITCH into your car? Just a thought i had this morning, as we dont want to happen to your car, what happened to BOOYA.

Oh... BB, let me know when you will be at the dyno mate.. i will come down for a look ;)


KILL SWITCH WTF dont know of many other cars that have them

im sure 101 know what they are doing

i should have my car back again tomoz, i might be speaking to soon but i dont have uni... i'd like to see it going too!!

KILL SWITCH WTF dont know of many other cars that have them

im sure 101 know what they are doing
Well, you would have thought so too about Street Torque :P

Well, you would have thought so too about Street Torque :P

how about u fit your car first before you comment on what others should do to their's lol

Well, you would have thought so too about Street Torque :P

That's a bit harsh. Besides, Street Torque didn't fit the turbo timer in the first place.

Kill Switch?? what for? the fuel pump?? I thought kill switch's were old school poor mans imobilisers (hidden switch under the dash that stopped the ignition making a circuit).

I'll be picking up a fire extinguisher at any rate...... definetly worth the piece of mind for $30 odd.

Brendan, are you saying that the fire in Bens car was caused by the turbo timer?? I didn't know that.........

Brendan, are you saying that the fire in Bens car was caused by the turbo timer?? I didn't know that.........

Let me say upfront that I'm not trying to pin blame on anyone or anything, especially since I wasn't there.

We all saw the fire though, and it was really burning. It's certainly possible that a turbo timer could have kept the fuel pumping through fuel lines that may have been ruptured by shrapnel from whatever it was that shattered (probably the flywheel).

While a good idea, a portable fire extinguisher will do nothing to a flame which has taken on and is possibly fueled by fire. I dont even know why they bother with them for CAMS events like the ones I race in, I have seen them be used in vain a handful of times :cry:

They may be good enough to put people out, which is what really matters in the end.

They may be good enough to put people out, which is what really matters in the end.


:nuts:

i think what element was thinking of "could be" a remote fuel cut off solinoid, so that if a fire did occur in the engine bay and you need to kill the car you could just activate the fuel cut off and no more fuel would travel into the engine bay, (even tho the cheap jaycar turbo timers have a manual turn off on the timers)

i know of a turbo tr that caught fire a few years ago and the thing that caused that was a blown power steering hose,

if its a fuel fire, you can't use the standard house old extisnher, you need a foam type, otherwise the water will just spread the fire even more

how about u fit your car first before you comment on what others should do to their's lol
Shut the hell up alan. I was trying to make BB aware of something. Dont need your smartass comments.

And CTHULU, why was that harsh? Booya burned down because the turbo-timer kept the engine running, which in turn kept pumping fuel into the engine, which is the reason the fire did not go out with 2 fire extinguishers.. Either way, my POINT is, BB should consider installing something so the EXACT thing doesnt happen to his car.....

if its a fuel fire, you can't use the standard house old extisnher, you need a foam type, otherwise the water will just spread the fire even more

Not trying to be rude or anything....... but my 9 year old daughter could have told me that....... (BTW, I think you'll find chemical type extinguishers are more suitable for automotive applications - they're effective on both oil and electrical fires)

Did you really think I was talking about putting a "household" fire extinguisher in my car?

Oh and for anyone who is wondering........ it's looking highly unlikely that the car will be finished tomorrow. Rang just before 5pm this afternoon for a progress update and there's still quite abit of work to be done.

In all honesty I'm starting to get abit ****ty. Was given the impression it wouldn't take more than 6 weeks, we're now into the 7th. My brother is back from overseas and understandably wants his car back, which will leave me without a way of getting my Daughter to school and myself to work.

Up until this point I've been pretty understanding, but I think it's time I started annoying the crap out of them. They whinge to me that all their other customers hassle the **** out of them to get their cars done..... it must work, because every time I've been in there in the last week and a half they've been working on cars that have come in since mine.

Oh and for anyone who is wondering........ it's looking highly unlikely that the car will be finished tomorrow. Rang just before 5pm this afternoon for a progress update and there's still quite abit of work to be done.

In all honesty I'm starting to get abit ****ty. Was given the impression it wouldn't take more than 6 weeks, we're now into the 7th. My brother is back from overseas and understandably wants his car back, which will leave me without a way of getting my Daughter to school and myself to work.

Up until this point I've been pretty understanding, but I think it's time I started annoying the crap out of them. They whinge to me that all their other customers hassle the **** out of them to get their cars done..... it must work, because every time I've been in there in the last week and a half they've been working on cars that have come in since mine.
That sux dude. If you need a lift to work, let me know...

Yeah, put some pressure on them. They accepted this job, and they should finish it. Who cares if others are complaining. They shouldn't accept so many other customers if they cannot handle it all...

That sux dude. If you need a lift to work, let me know...

Yeah, put some pressure on them. They accepted this job, and they should finish it. Who cares if others are complaining. They shouldn't accept so many other customers if they cannot handle it all...

lol Tell that to Sufz, he keeps taking his mates cars down there apparently :bowrofl:

Not trying to be rude or anything....... but my 9 year old daughter could have told me that....... (BTW, I think you'll find chemical type extinguishers are more suitable for automotive applications - they're effective on both oil and electrical fires)

Did you really think I was talking about putting a "household" fire extinguisher in my car?


hahahaha, any idiot could of said that, i didn't have anything esle to say, but i wanted to post something so i thought i state the obvious

Not trying to be rude or anything....... but my 9 year old daughter could have told me that....... (BTW, I think you'll find chemical type extinguishers are more suitable for automotive applications - they're effective on both oil and electrical fires)

Did you really think I was talking about putting a "household" fire extinguisher in my car?


hahahaha, any idiot could of said that, i didn't have anything esle to say, but i wanted to post something so i thought i state the obvious

lol Tell that to Sufz, he keeps taking his mates cars down there apparently :bowrofl:
LOL.. riiiigghht :)

And CTHULU, why was that harsh? Booya burned down because the turbo-timer kept the engine running, which in turn kept pumping fuel into the engine, which is the reason the fire did not go out with 2 fire extinguishers..

It was harsh because you pointed the blame at Street Torque who weren't the ones who fitted the turbo timer.

Nice work BB! I'm sure your starting to get tired of waiting but I'm sure it will be worth the wait! Hmmm twin turbo magna....unique and with the kit should look the goods too :D

They are a buisness BB, and you will find that they all do that. The few I have worked at all overbook to get the customer in, because once its in, its stuck so its easy money. If they didn't have that many cars, when they are waiting for parts they would have nothing to work on. Sometimes its just the way it has to be, which is frustrating at best for the customer.

Okay Mike.. This is what i've been told that's going on so here goes..

I spoke to the owner and he should have it on the Dyno tomorrow at around 4/5pm.. BUT.. He does not want you to take the car out until he's had the crazy mechanic check everything and make sure it's tuned precisely! But he also wants to get it outta there as soon as possible for your sake!

I told him he's gotta get his *** into gear and get it outta there! I've put a lil pressure on him to try and get him to get the ball going.. but he also said that because of all the lil things it is taking a little longer then expected! Which is understandable

Don't take it out on him.. He's getting the guys there to do what they can and he doesnt wanna get them sh*tty because then they'll do a sh*t job and you won't be happy! Bare with them..

el3ment & Black Beard - The owner says that he's gonna let Mike know when they're going to put it on the dyno.. When he does.. Can you send us a message.. If I can get my hands onto a car.. I'll come around and take a looksie!

My mates only been there twice or something.. they put the car up on the hoist to see whether they could fit the cooler piping in easily, whether or not the exhaust was gonna be easy, whether things would have to go etc. The crazy mechanic didn't even come near it.. Varoon (The other skinny indian guy) took a look at it!

So yeah.. Lemme know when he reckons he'll have it on the dyno.. I'll try and come take a look.. I'll also try and bring a digi cam for some video footage!

SuFz :rant:

Edit: If need be.. Lemme know I might be able to score you a 1990 Camry off my cousin for a week or so.. It's what I'm driving every now and then.. I'll talk to my cousin.. I'll ask him if he doesn't mind.. Might cost ya $50.. but don't worry.. I'll take care of that!

It was harsh because you pointed the blame at Street Torque who weren't the ones who fitted the turbo timer.
Oh..... ok then. Apologies to ST. :redface:

I understand there have been "little things" that the boss didn't realise wouldn't take so long, but from my perspective, there are 2 reasons my car isn't finished yet.

1. It sat there for 3 weeks before any work was done on it. I understand why this happened, but it isn't my problem.
2. It took a week and a half for the pipes to be polished. In that time they got the fuel system all sorted out, but I can't see how that involved more than 2 days work. If I'd known, how long it was going to take, I would have insisted that they didn't polish the pipes.

At the end of the day, I shouldn't be whinging about it. There's alot I should be grateful for..... 2 kickass mechanics have put alot of hours into the car, and the build quality is fantastic. And despite how it looks here, I've always been more than polite in my dealings with the guys down there...........

Anyway, I don't want to say anymore about it until my car is finished.

Thanks to everyone for their support and advise. Smell ya's later.