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magnatism
10-03-2007, 05:44 PM
hey guys as some of you may have read in my profile i have a tr 2.6 with a pretty hot n/a engine.

anyways been doing some thinking lately and want to boost it slightly to produce a bit more power. firstly thought of supercharging because i have heard only bad reports of the turboed 2.6 magnas. after a whole day ringing around only to be told by virtually everyone we only do superchargers for ls1's... the bolt on type, or yeah prices for a custom system start at $10000. i said screw it.

then i thought about it... mongas 92hp 2.6 when turboed produced 170+ fwhp on 10psi... or something like that and i recall him saying that the engine wasnt strong enough to handle it and wouldnt make power past 4000-4500rpm due to fuel issues.

well i built my engine to take 125hp nitrous (but have decided against putting it on). everything forged and race spec, therefore while it is running 10:1 comp it could probably handle 5psi quite easily and boost it from 125hp to 160... 170... 180fwhp whilst keeping a full rev range.

i already have an ecu etc, and am seriously considering removing the rear muffler and doing a rear mount turbo install without lowering compression etc. and running 5-7psi. it is a concept widely being used in the usa and produces definite results. the best bit is no turbo manifold to fabricate, no intercooler (low psi and 3m long intake pipe means relatively low intake temps) and is completely stealth. if a good ball bearing turbo is used there are no issues with lag etc. and if it doesnt produce results then bolt the old exhaust section back on and retune.

what do you guys think?? keep in mind the other turbo magnas had other issues preventing them from reaching full rev range and power. my car already makes 125 fwhp so in theory boosting it with 5psi intake charge would have to make a difference...

BiG 4 CyL
10-03-2007, 05:52 PM
ummmmmm so your turboing or NOS? i didnt get much of that at all lol. being tired sux

magnatism
10-03-2007, 06:04 PM
turbo... i thought it was pretty straight forward...

science
10-03-2007, 06:10 PM
intercooled, you should have no problem running 10psi with a 10:1 compression, with very good fuel and minimal timing. It would make a heap of power, and as you say, its been built to take a 125hp nos shot, so 10psi intercooled should be fine.

magnatism
10-03-2007, 06:17 PM
i do want the turbo install to be completely undetectable though so im trying to stay away from fmic.

stereo_god
10-03-2007, 06:34 PM
paint it black. with the boost your running it wont matter if you black the cooler. and i know for a fact that you can fit a gtr sized cooler in there

magnatism
10-03-2007, 07:10 PM
the turbo would be mounted way back behind the rear wheel so the intake pipe will probably be 4 metres long and therefore remain fairly cool at low psi.

dimi108
10-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Just read your sig, 16.3 sec is quite good for a 2.6 4cyl Astron!
Hot damn! :D

greenmatt
10-03-2007, 08:12 PM
Go for it! There is a company in Sydney that are just starting to do remote turbos. I would like to do mine but just have to wait til the funds allow.

dimi108
10-03-2007, 08:15 PM
Go for it! There is a company in Sydney that are just starting to do remote turbos. I would like to do mine but just have to wait til the funds allow.
Hey, what's a remote turbo? :shock:

greenmatt
10-03-2007, 08:20 PM
They mount the turbo where the rear muffler usually is. Saves making a complex manifold, there will be some trade off in lag but on bigger engines at least they have had great results.

dimi108
10-03-2007, 08:24 PM
They mount the turbo where the rear muffler usually is. Saves making a complex manifold, there will be some trade off in lag but on bigger engines at least they have had great results.
Sounds interesting. How are these for price? More expensive than a traditional setup or cheaper?

magnatism
10-03-2007, 08:29 PM
hopefully half price of traditional setup and completely hidden. also it was 16.2 secs. i reckon with better driving i could get 15.999999999 :)

dimi108
10-03-2007, 08:32 PM
Whoa half the price?! That would only be around $2500 for the setup.
Wow, would like to hear more about this company doing the work. Any contact numbers?

magnatism
10-03-2007, 08:43 PM
i will be doing most of it except the tuning to be done at ovaboost in malaga
had a good look under the car this arvo and it will be rather difficult to do but i think it is do-able nonetheless. i will be running no rear muffler at all so hope its not too noisy. gunna get the parts priced during the week but who knows after i do it if i get results there may be a market for some bolt on kits ey?

there is a guy in the perth strret car mag that just did one on his xr6 falcon. its auto and puts out 332 hp atw on 6psi. i dont think they even start with 200hp atw on those. there is also an integra type r with vtec getting 252 hp atw with 4psi and 12:1 comp

magnamechanic
10-03-2007, 10:09 PM
http://www.ststurbo.com/benefits

dimi108
10-03-2007, 10:51 PM
http://www.ststurbo.com/benefits
And there's a place that does that in Sydney?
Looks pretty good. Real turbo and all.

Gemini
10-03-2007, 11:28 PM
Wouldn't it be easy for people to steal your turbo like that ?

Where will the bov and pod be ?

dimi108
10-03-2007, 11:30 PM
Doubt you could steal someones turbo just by leaving it parked at the supermarket or on the street lol

Yeha i wonder where the pod would be?

Gemini
10-03-2007, 11:33 PM
Or more importantly, how would you do the water and oil lines ?

EDIT: why did i let my brother sell his t28 :rant:

Gemini
10-03-2007, 11:40 PM
Found this site with some pics of a rear mount turbo setup on a porche.

http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Porsche%20928%20Rear%20Turbo.htm

dimi108
10-03-2007, 11:45 PM
Found this site with some pics of a rear mount turbo setup on a porche.

http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/Porsche%20928%20Rear%20Turbo.htm
Had a look at it. What the hell. From behind the car you can see all the stuff like the turbo etc.
Looks ugly.
People driving behind you will be like wtf is that. Then coppers will pull you over too and ask you wtf is that and spin out on it. Definitely not needed.

STS ones don't look like that so that's good.

magnamechanic
11-03-2007, 07:24 AM
because its at the back of the car it wouldnt need water kooling

Matty_J
11-03-2007, 08:18 AM
I dont know about this setup, yeh it looks like an easy way to turbo although why even bother with the little amount of boost being created, you would only be able to use like 5psi max and not only that you would still have to heat wrap your exhaust etc as the turbo is going to be very hot and melt a normal exhaust.


And another thing is that you need to be relying on an additional oil pump for the turbo which almost puts me off the idea straight away. and not to mention the turbo scraping on high driveways or getting drenched with water on a rainy day, or even some massive rocks or stuff flying up from highway driving.

imo its just better to go with a normal engine bay setup as its the most efficient way to gain HP, this way cant be adjusted and you cant up the boost without intercooling.


But it sounds as if you really wanna go down this path, so good luck!!

greenmatt
11-03-2007, 08:59 AM
You wont melt your exhaust, there is no more heat present than in a normal NA setup. You can make more than 5 psi easily, with a magna at least there is a lot of room at the back to hide the turbo and to run all the plumbing. The turbos on these setups run a lot cooler than a conventional unit and water will not do anything to them.

Nick
11-03-2007, 09:14 AM
Post-cat turbo's have always had a argued life in cars, but really, for $2500 you can probably do a full turbo system if you already have your ECU - remember the manifold off a Sigma (Astron 1) Turbo will fit with minimal modifications (saw one complete with turbo and lines off ebay for $200 once) Now all you will need is a new exhaust from the manifold to the cat and the ecu install which will probably be pricey if you're running carbs.

I read up on this a while ago when i first heard of it and basically if your not running a big capacity engine (Read 4L V6 - V8) the lag is like a reverse Vtec and its not worth the cash and the problem of bottoming out and loosing your turbo..

You could do a normal turbo set-up and run a VR4 8G galant FMIC (Already blacked) or an early EVO FMIC, these wouldn't be conspicuous and have decent flow for a smaller sized cooler. You could even fit a small cooler in behind your grill - plenty of flow and plenty of plastic infront to disguise it - at 5psi it would be perfect.

magnatism
11-03-2007, 09:36 AM
good to see so much interest in this topic everyone. now just a few replies:

because the turbo is rear mounted the exhaust gases getting to it arent as hot and the intake pipe is so long that it is cooled on the way back hence it is not recommended to intercool unless over 7psi boost.

also there is plenty of room where the muffler was to mount the turbo and piping hence nothing showing or scraping.

its true you do need oil lines to the back and an oil transfer pump which is a very simple addition.

i believe someone said 5psi wouldnt be worth it but why not? its already making decent power why not increase it??

_x_FiReStOrM_x_
11-03-2007, 11:20 AM
Also need to think about an air filter if its going to be a daily driver.

Gemini
11-03-2007, 11:32 AM
Makes me wanna buy a cheap $100 turbo an old $50 v8 commie and rig it all up lol no oil lines water lines nothing.

dimi108
11-03-2007, 12:49 PM
Makes me wanna buy a cheap $100 turbo an old $50 v8 commie and rig it all up lol no oil lines water lines nothing.
LOL go the RB30's

Lucid-_-Magna
11-03-2007, 01:37 PM
just an odd thought, using this system you could put one turbo off the manifold then another on the exhaust? would that be pointless or insane? oh and also on the squires site it has info on the air filters, they go in between panels/ bumpers/under the car so no major issue there, looks cool so yeah keep us informed with the sydney mob

dimi108
11-03-2007, 01:47 PM
Yeah, i e-mailed them asking for a quote for the universal package. Might do some comparing to my setup i have at the moment and see what the pros and cons are.
Looks promising though, watch the videos on the site :D

magnatism
11-03-2007, 02:43 PM
the air filter is a k&n and goes straight onto the turbo

_x_FiReStOrM_x_
11-03-2007, 02:53 PM
I still dont know about having a filter under the car on a daily driver. Behind panels would be okish though.

greenmatt
11-03-2007, 03:10 PM
the air filter is a k&n and goes straight onto the turbo
you can relocate them higher with a bit of tubing, also put a drycharger on them.

magnamechanic
11-03-2007, 04:28 PM
just run another exhaust pipe to the front and wack a filter on it

_x_FiReStOrM_x_
11-03-2007, 04:34 PM
just run another exhaust pipe to the front and wack a filter on it

:confused: Stuff that... how are ya gonna run 3 pipes under the car?

dimi108
11-03-2007, 05:30 PM
Are you sure the air filter will be at the back with the turbo on the bottom of the car?? What if you go through a puddle in the rain and water splashes onto the filter at the bottom of the car?? Or even dirt and mud?

HAMISH2
11-03-2007, 05:40 PM
Are you sure the air filter will be at the back with the turbo on the bottom of the car?? What if you go through a puddle in the rain and water splashes onto the filter at the bottom of the car?? Or even dirt and mud?
i think it works the same as a CAI,i have a CAI that has the filter running to the bottom of the car and have no problems with water,i have a filter cover which also helps:)

magnamechanic
11-03-2007, 05:40 PM
run the intake pipes side by side

or run it to the rear bumper as high as you can

dimi108
11-03-2007, 05:46 PM
i think it works the same as a CAI,i have a CAI that has the filter running to the bottom of the car and have no problems with water,i have a filter cover which also helps:)

Oh that's sweet then!
Well, when i hear from these blokes i'll most def post up some info :D

Lucid-_-Magna
11-03-2007, 05:54 PM
Anyone know about the having two turbos idea? cause well if it works would love to have the TT DOHC 24v 6G72 engine with another turbo on the zorst, tri turbo magna lol

dimi108
11-03-2007, 06:35 PM
Anyone know about the having two turbos idea? cause well if it works would love to have the TT DOHC 24v 6G72 engine with another turbo on the zorst, tri turbo magna lol
LOL sounds crazy. That'll be a definite magazine feature car. Just like Queen Street's Tri Turbo 20B Cosmos.

So, have you got twin turbo's to start off with? lol

Nick
11-03-2007, 07:37 PM
Anyone know about the having two turbos idea? cause well if it works would love to have the TT DOHC 24v 6G72 engine with another turbo on the zorst, tri turbo magna lol

Well i'm sure it COULD be done, but the question is, with near on 250hp, would you really NEED 2 more turbos? make it quad turbos, have the two turbos from the manifolds go into their own dumps & cats etc and have to post-cat's that way.. then have two more post-cats off their dump pipes!! OMG A MILL!ON TURB0S!!#@#..

a TT DOHC would be mad enough without going silly and spoiling it. ****, a DOHC would be good enough. DAMN A FREAKIN K&N WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME@#$@#$@#@!@!!diedie.

/endof.

dimi108
11-03-2007, 07:39 PM
a TT DOHC would be mad enough without going silly and spoiling it. ****, a DOHC would be good enough ME@#$@#$@#@!@!!diedie.

Yeah you tell them chief.
Tri turbo would be just plain idiotic.

Gemini
12-03-2007, 07:15 AM
Well i'm sure it COULD be done, but the question is, with near on 250hp, would you really NEED 2 more turbos? make it quad turbos, have the two turbos from the manifolds go into their own dumps & cats etc and have to post-cat's that way.. then have two more post-cats off their dump pipes!! OMG A MILL!ON TURB0S!!#@#..


I think it would actually be pretty good to have two turbo's. You could have a tiny one near the front and a bigger one at the back.

It would help a ton with lag.

Nick
12-03-2007, 10:09 AM
I think it would actually be pretty good to have two turbo's. You could have a tiny one near the front and a bigger one at the back.

It would help a ton with lag.

Yeah but think of it cost-wise. A normal turbo set up would kill any post-cat turbo set-up unless you use 50 post-cat turbos..

Deanimus
12-03-2007, 11:15 AM
well what ever turbo u choose good luck with it and take heeps of pics.:D

Lucid-_-Magna
14-03-2007, 06:32 PM
Haha it was just an idea dont burn me, yeah i think a DOHC swap is on the board for a "Within the next 12-18 months" idea as for twin turbo or not depends on money situation so yeah if i cant afford a TT at the time this set up may be a great idea for later down the track. insane monster turbo car of doom is kinda nice sounding thought.... one day i'll win the lotto

Mrmacomouto
14-03-2007, 08:09 PM
I have seen a few guys mount them into the boot of the car, so they don't have to worry about bumps and stuff, and also it's easy to service...

magnatism
14-03-2007, 08:15 PM
got the costing today - $1500 fully fitted drive in drive out. i provide the skyline stock turbo ~$200 and cheapy intercooler quoted $50. project starts april 2nd and will be completed by 7th. running 7psi intercooled forged high compression goodness. all i can say is look out!

Lucid-_-Magna
15-03-2007, 06:18 AM
and all i can say is SWEET lol keep us all informed, this project sounds like a good posibility for us v6's

stereo_god
15-03-2007, 09:28 AM
not for u 6's, youve got doch conversion

4's have got " "

jkslol

BiG 4 CyL
15-03-2007, 09:44 AM
Sounds Phat mate! pix 2! and plenty of them

magnatism
15-03-2007, 04:33 PM
got my r33 turbo today and it is sweet! no play at all wheels are in new condition. looks really good. had to pay $350 tho, but hey noone else had em. also the turbo will be mounted forward of the rear axle on drivers side which means i can keep my muffler but i may take it off anyway...

magnatism
29-03-2007, 04:25 PM
tomorrow is the big day dropping car off so they can start fabrication on monday.
i am really hoping it will go off without a hitch and make some good power. but hey as with everything on this car it probably wont. wish me luck guys

stereo_god
29-03-2007, 04:54 PM
cant wait to see the results. magnatism do you have a dyno sheet of how much power your car makes now before the turbo??

magnatism
29-03-2007, 05:10 PM
yeah all i have is a peice of paper tho

likeashot
29-03-2007, 05:35 PM
tomorrow is the big day dropping car off so they can start fabrication on monday.
i am really hoping it will go off without a hitch and make some good power. but hey as with everything on this car it probably wont. wish me luck guys

Hey it's good to see your going ahead with it all,Where are you getting it fitted in perth?

TZABOY
29-03-2007, 05:53 PM
well done buddy, i really hope it works out for you. great to see something a little different being done. with all the N/A mods done, it should really benifit the turbo setup so lets hope a 14 second pass is possible.

btw, what sort of cam is in the car? might be a worry if the duration is too long in a boosted application. you may loose potential power up top

[TUFFTR]
29-03-2007, 07:19 PM
Good Luck dood!!!

This is why doing all the N/A mods first has its advantages, now ou can boost your car and get maximum power from it.

Knock em dead sonny jim

magnatism
29-03-2007, 07:53 PM
thanks guys!
yeah the cam is rather huge but should still be ok i think
getting the fitting and tuning at ovaboost. Mick is literally the only guy i trust to work on my car now after being ****ed around by nearly every other mechanic i have been to. im not going for huge power up top really i only want it to realistaically still pull hard to 6000rpm and produce around 170fwhp. with that it should definitely pull a 14. fingers crossed anyways.

[TUFFTR]
29-03-2007, 08:11 PM
thanks guys!
yeah the cam is rather huge but should still be ok i think
getting the fitting and tuning at ovaboost. Mick is literally the only guy i trust to work on my car now after being ****ed around by nearly every other mechanic i have been to. im not going for huge power up top really i only want it to realistaically still pull hard to 6000rpm and produce around 170fwhp. with that it should definitely pull a 14. fingers crossed anyways.

ok question.
ever thought about selling it, and DOHC'ing a V6? can always turbo that for more then 200Kw.
Or you just too attached to your car?
just curious

GoTRICE
29-03-2007, 09:06 PM
']ok question.
ever thought about selling it, and DOHC'ing a V6? can always turbo that for more then 200Kw.
Or you just too attached to your car?
just curious

have considered myself but i dont believe the gearbox would be up to the task... if your going that way so much easier and soooooooooooo much cheaper to buy the DOHCTT straight up

[TUFFTR]
29-03-2007, 09:12 PM
have considered myself but i dont believe the gearbox would be up to the task... if your going that way so much easier and soooooooooooo much cheaper to buy the DOHCTT straight up
as in a manual box wont be able to handle more then 200Kw?

GoTRICE
29-03-2007, 09:27 PM
']as in a manual box wont be able to handle more then 200Kw?


mmm ok think SOHC designed to handle 100kwatw over 300000km"s with a soft clutch, to put the power to the ground youll need a very heavy duty clutch of around 2tonne clamp force, id say my clutch has probably around half that and i'd feel it ravages this gearbox sometimes... even with overengineering i dont think it'll last, and i dont know the weak points of these gearboxes... actually i think for the fitting of my new clutch i got recommended to put a washer in some place on the end of the spline or some nearby part of the gearbox, i didnt hear 1st hand what to do and also what parts.

Define g/box rebuild.

Remember 3si guys put the 4wd g/box and only run the front wheel in their 3000gt's.

Nick
30-03-2007, 04:32 AM
KB once said that the FM33 gearboxes are the same that came with the GTO's and therefore should be able to manage a decent powerage..

Usually its the 4WD gearboxes that are made of glass and the 2WD boxes are tougher, as in things like a laser/323 fwd - familia awd. sr20det box - gtir box etc..

GoTRICE
30-03-2007, 08:32 AM
KB once said that the FM33 gearboxes are the same that came with the GTO's and therefore should be able to manage a decent powerage..

Usually its the 4WD gearboxes that are made of glass and the 2WD boxes are tougher, as in things like a laser/323 fwd - familia awd. sr20det box - gtir box etc..

thats only in n/a form though... all TT were 4wd.

Can see that being right in the 4wd as more precise parts

magnatism
31-03-2007, 03:10 PM
got the car, got a relatively quick newly built engine, and this turbo install is completely reversible so if it doesnt work then hey back to n/a. basically just love the car its nothin special but it's awesome in the traffic light gp. it has good torque and with the ceramic clutch pulls up to 60/70kph extremely fast. just love the look on ss commo drivers faces when i am a car length in front to 60k's. they get so angry!!! 2nd gear would be a different story but i never let em find that out i always back off at the speed limit.

RoGuE_StreaK
31-03-2007, 04:17 PM
i always back off at the speed limit.Good to see. Nothing like burning off some smart**** trying to cut up your inside, then sitting dead on 60 for the rest of the way! :D
Also when ********s sit up your **** through roadworks areas, then leave 'em for dead when it goes back to the full speed limit...

dimi108
31-03-2007, 05:56 PM
So it's all finished now? :D

magnatism
01-04-2007, 08:14 AM
nah man they start it on monday dropped it off friday night

likeashot
02-04-2007, 08:17 PM
Come on man we need minute by minute photos of the progress and a detailed description of everything that happens to your car.:badgrin: :D

Monga
03-04-2007, 09:26 PM
Have not being on the forums in a long time now and this was good read with generally good postings and discussion hope this project works out for you mate make sure you consider your fuel system, suspension and strong driveline. If these are done correctly your car will make good power and push it into the 14second bracket with 170 plus HP

Tell Mick at Ovaboost I said hello I have to pop into there with the GT-R some day.

BuzzPuppy
05-04-2007, 07:18 AM
Been looking at this project with keen interest. Love to see this up and runnin'!

magnatism
05-04-2007, 06:59 PM
well as i expected the car was not finished this evening but apparently the turbo is mounted in the exhaust and welded and bolted via flanges etc. the intake is finished and soarer intercooler is modified to fit neatly in behind bumper. they have to run intercooler plumbing oil feed and drain lines and pump and then tune. will definitely be finished by next week some time i've been told.

i am going in tuesday after work to have a look. lee that works there (and is doing my car) reckons it looks ****en weird all bolted up under the car. i'll be taking some photos on tuesday.

[TUFFTR]
05-04-2007, 09:12 PM
have considered myself but i dont believe the gearbox would be up to the task... if your going that way so much easier and soooooooooooo much cheaper to buy the DOHCTT straight up

Sorry to go off thread here but im curious AJ....the DOHCTT would cost ALOT more IMO to get put in then the DOHC 3.5L...i mean doesnt the firewall have to be modified to fit this engine?
Im sure "silver_bullet" has done this and im sure someone said it had cost him over $8K

btw, magnatism....wheres your turbo again lol

GoTRICE
05-04-2007, 10:39 PM
']Sorry to go off thread here but im curious AJ....the DOHCTT would cost ALOT more IMO to get put in then the DOHC 3.5L...i mean doesnt the firewall have to be modified to fit this engine?
Im sure "silver_bullet" has done this and im sure someone said it had cost him over $8K

btw, magnatism....wheres your turbo again lol

not really, my DOHC conversion cost around 5k$ the little **** adds up. I just want someone to do it already so we know... I'll do it if i still have my car when i finish my degree. I'll import a galant and buy an auto corolla as well. Not talking spending like huge amounts cause cars are a waste of money but a percentage.

Havent got reliable sources for a DOHC 3.5L either yet. Hurry up ****.

Get pics rear mount turbo now kgo

Oh and think 5k$ plus intercooler piping plus turbo dump pipes (2500$) + retune (1000) plus tranpsport costs and other **** i've probably forgot. where i believe i couldve started with a TT motor and gotten away with something like 6500$ if clearance is right. I dont know anyone who owns a gto

[TUFFTR]
05-04-2007, 10:52 PM
Holy crap $5K.
And i wanna get a manual conversion while im at it too :S
Ive almost saved up a Grand for this project, So now i have to go engine shopping and try to find something.
I dont want the TT motor, I simply cant afford anything more then $5Kish.

just seems a bit weird, you spent $5K, KB spent under $3K :shock: :confused:

magnamechanic
08-04-2007, 07:22 PM
']Holy crap $5K.
And i wanna get a manual conversion while im at it too :S
Ive almost saved up a Grand for this project, So now i have to go engine shopping and try to find something.
I dont want the TT motor, I simply cant afford anything more then $5Kish.

just seems a bit weird, you spent $5K, KB spent under $3K :shock: :confused:

look in to the hyundai v6 motors as im sure they are a 6g motor with quad cam or a grandeur

[TUFFTR]
08-04-2007, 07:43 PM
look in to the hyundai v6 motors as im sure they are a 6g motor with quad cam or a grandeur
yeah but weather or not they'll mate up to the gearbox is another problem, id rather stick to something I KNOW will definatly mate up to the manual GB.

in the US theres a few supercharged tiburons going around and they are just insane machines. Very yum

dimi108
08-04-2007, 07:50 PM
Yep Grandeur uses 6G74 nearly 200kw :drool:

HYBRID VL
11-04-2007, 04:21 PM
yer i seen this setup on a car seen some pics of it looks kinda funny though lol just not used 2 its i guess but yer he had the pod under the car and actully he had 2 have pumps to keep his oil and water to and from turbo these things are somthin im not to keen on as having these they could fail or fuse coul dblow and not work and thats it get a build up of oil and seal will blow.


i dunno how u would run a cooler and yer lag would be a killer but man if you only running small PSI get a turbocharger thats suits the engine setup smaller AR rear housing might do the trick.if u keep the pipe small u might get better results but like the flow from engine and back presure will be a killer and u probley suffer heatsoak.

i reckin under the dricers seat or somthin wouldnt be bad if it could be done.

Aströn Boy
11-04-2007, 05:54 PM
never the less, it is an interesting concept.

funny thing was i remember seeing this on a car a few yrs ago, at the time we bag the absolute shism out of it.

mind you, this car ended up pulling some damn impressive times at the track, and the idea came all from the joke that quote' he was driving like the wind was blowing up his ass'

was a rather good and indepdth article, should try and find it.

but yeah, good luck with it, be interesting to see the outcome.

HYBRID VL
11-04-2007, 06:12 PM
u will need oil lines but i always had a thought i know its silly and take up alotta space have a turbo setup that is fully independent on itself like have 2 filler bottles 1 oil 1 water then have them both go to a pump and a cooler of some description like say oil cooler and a small suzuki swift radiator or oil cooler and then to a turbo then another pump 2 salvage the oil and water back out and into the resivoirs again maybe better to have the cooler after the turbo though.

but with sort of setup i know that it will take up alotta room but u could buy $50 2 week rego rust buckets turbo them lol blow em up and take ya setup off and go onto the next heap of junk lol.

just the funny thinking of my mind lol.
if u had enough space you could go twin aswell lol
only thing is u would have to make flanges for each different exhaust manifold on the cars lol.

but yer turbo at the back whats next turbo setup in the boot??

Lucifer
11-04-2007, 08:42 PM
u will need oil lines but i always had a thought i know its silly and take up alotta space have a turbo setup that is fully independent on itself like have 2 filler bottles 1 oil 1 water then have them both go to a pump and a cooler of some description like say oil cooler and a small suzuki swift radiator or oil cooler and then to a turbo then another pump 2 salvage the oil and water back out and into the resivoirs again maybe better to have the cooler after the turbo though.

but with sort of setup i know that it will take up alotta room but u could buy $50 2 week rego rust buckets turbo them lol blow em up and take ya setup off and go onto the next heap of junk lol.

just the funny thinking of my mind lol.
if u had enough space you could go twin aswell lol
only thing is u would have to make flanges for each different exhaust manifold on the cars lol.

but yer turbo at the back whats next turbo setup in the boot??
Do you have anything insightful to say, ever?

/ontopic: How is this progressing dude, haven't heard anything since last week, updates!

Mrmacomouto
12-04-2007, 10:21 AM
but yer turbo at the back whats next turbo setup in the boot??
Been done, it's much the same as an external rear mount turbo only you lose some boot space and someone with a spanner can't come up and nick ya turbo.

dimi108
12-04-2007, 11:21 AM
Been done, it's much the same as an external rear mount turbo only you lose some boot space and someone with a spanner can't come up and nick ya turbo.
Turbo in the boot. Even if it works, that's uber gay.
Give it 1 year and there will be turbo's on the roof racks

JEDI
12-04-2007, 12:47 PM
WELL????????
Where's the progress reports????
I have just about creamed myself reading this thread dammit.
This is the sort of idea that would be perfect for me (i think)
ie: half the price and not stuffing around under the bonnet too much and all that crap.
I have the shivers :D

Theoretically it should work better on a v6 yeah?
and i am in perth too.
Awesome!

Come on mate , let us all know how its going.
unless......... kaboom?:confused:

Mrmacomouto
12-04-2007, 04:22 PM
Turbo in the boot. Even if it works, that's uber gay.
Give it 1 year and there will be turbo's on the roof racks

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3852/xfturbo1vd5.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/707/xfturbo4sf5.jpg

dimi108
12-04-2007, 09:32 PM
ROFL there's a ram pod in the boot. Does any cold air even go into there? :bowrofl:

Looks really weird.
Can't put shopping in the boot anymore aye.

BiG 4 CyL
12-04-2007, 09:36 PM
a remote turbo?? dont see that too often, wonder how it goes

likeashot
12-04-2007, 09:40 PM
ROFL there's a ram pod in the boot. Does any cold air even go into there? :bowrofl:

Looks really weird.
Can't put shopping in the boot anymore aye.

It's a turbo, it doesn't need cold air.

dimi108
12-04-2007, 09:42 PM
Hang on a sec. The ram pod needs air doesn't it? Don't think any air goes into that boot there.
Looks gay. No offence if someone owns it here HAHAHA

Specially on that car. Jesus christ.

Would that setup be any cheaper than a traditional rear mount turbo?

likeashot
12-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Hang on a sec. The ram pod needs air doesn't it? Don't think any air goes into that boot there.
Looks gay. No offence if someone owns it here HAHAHA

Specially on that car. Jesus christ.


Umm can't you see the big hole they cut out to fit the thing in there?
I'd say he's getting more cold air into that filter than you'd ever get under a bonnet.

Lucifer
12-04-2007, 10:04 PM
Hang on a sec. The ram pod needs air doesn't it? Don't think any air goes into that boot there.
Looks gay. No offence if someone owns it here HAHAHA

Specially on that car. Jesus christ.

Would that setup be any cheaper than a traditional rear mount turbo?
Needs more boot scoop...

That sounds like a dance form... not that boot scoot should EVER be considered a dance form *vomit*

dimi108
12-04-2007, 10:04 PM
:think: There it is yeah i see it now. You reckon?
Man what if you're driving and go through massive puddle the whole boot will get wet and so will the rear seat i reckon.

How much is it for sale for? I reckon $900 tops

likeashot
12-04-2007, 10:16 PM
:think: There it is yeah i see it now. You reckon?
Man what if you're driving and go through massive puddle the whole boot will get wet and so will the rear seat i reckon.

Yeah i didn't say it was good idea.:badgrin:

JEDI
13-04-2007, 01:12 PM
I like this idea so much i went and had a look around for some more info.

This thread in some seppo forum was awesome for info! You could build your own from this.


http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/power-adder/238864-another-remote-mount-turbo.html




I am not going to start bragging that i am going to get one setup cause i am such a lazy bastard and i am trying to save for a house , but for about 2 - 3 grand for a turbo......SWEET , especially compared to around 10 grand for an underbonnet setup.

Give me 6 months......:cool:

dimi108
13-04-2007, 01:56 PM
I like the idea too. I reckon it's tops. But STS turbo in Artarmon, NSW quoted me $6000 for the very basic setup plus a donor intercooler and R33 turbo :confused:

www.ststurbo.com

JEDI
13-04-2007, 02:39 PM
there couldnt possibly be 6k worth of stuff to do could there? :shock:

all you have to do is insert the turbo into the exhaust pipe , run another pipe to the throttle body and then sort out the turbo oiling issues - which really arent that much of a drama if you have done your research.
maby thats oversimpifying it a bit.

the turbo itself and possibly a tune and fpr would be the most pricey bits. and labour i spose.

stereo_god
13-04-2007, 02:43 PM
you would have huge lag from the turbo though. from when you put the foot down exhaust gas moves to the back, spools turbo, then has to go all the way back to the front in to the engine. that is why underbonet cost more cause there better

JEDI
13-04-2007, 02:51 PM
yeah no one is denying that underbonnet ones are better , but who can afford 10k plus?

remote turbo setups are proven to work fairly well for alot less money.
the lag issue has been discussed a fair bit but hardly anyone who wants bulk performance would be doing it this way anyway.It is only in first gear or something and once you are moving along then the boost just pretty much stays on if you get your gear changes right.

dimi108
13-04-2007, 05:39 PM
there couldnt possibly be 6k worth of stuff to do could there? :shock:

That's what I was thinking too.
For 6K you could get the traditional under bonnet set up.

I wonder if there are any places in Sydney that will do this rear mount turbo thing?

likeashot
13-04-2007, 06:08 PM
Whats happened to this project, why is there no photos yet and no word from magnatism.:soapbox:

PICSORBAN PICSORBAN PICSORBAN :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum:


he he he.

dimi108
13-04-2007, 06:12 PM
Yah it was supposed to come out on April 7. Maybe there are some delays.
Hopefully he posts some good news soon :)

magnatism
13-04-2007, 06:55 PM
k running today computer is playing up
got new fuel pressure regulator (2:1 rising rate) and now have to put in walbro fuel pump on monday.
the car made 145hp at 3900 rpm on 4psi but ran dry on fuel so gotta get new pump on monday, they are also doin something to the wastegate to up thwe boost slightly. lookin good so far!!

likeashot
13-04-2007, 07:34 PM
HE'S ALIVE, HE'S ALIVE

Sounds like your pretty happy with it so far, You betta be coming to the may cruise, I promise i won't drool over you setup.:drool:

Why havn't we seen any progress pics.

JEDI
14-04-2007, 07:17 AM
what is the overall cost so far??
i think you mentioned $1500 to start with , with you providing your own turbo....
or was i just tripping?

GOOD WORK MAN

*edit* yeah i just read through it again. definately 1500 !
also which bumper did u mount the intercooler behind?
I assume it is the rear?
Did u just wack it on cos u had one or was it deemed necessary?

magnatism
14-04-2007, 09:15 AM
its ended up being $2000 for complete install including custom made intercooler and all tuning and fitment of extra parts including fuel pressure reg and now fuel pump

extra parts cost me $190 fuel pressure reg, and up to $220 for walboro pump (havent sourced it yet will do on monday.)

the turbo spools up pretty damn quick and it really rams the torque down. like i said it made 145 hp or something at 4 psi and 3900-4000 rpm. it only used to make 125 at 5750 rpm and took its sweet time getting there.

good news is the injectors are all good for turbo setup like this. now i have the rising rate fpr they wont max out but the ****ty fuel pump even with the fuel return line clamped only pumped 60 psi. the new pump will do something like 120psi.

i was so angry when it wouldnt make power last night but there is a light at the end of the tunnel now and i can see it finally, final projections are 160 - 170 hp atfw. fingers crossed

having a few problems wit my pc it wont detect my camera so ill try get pics again later today

Gemini
14-04-2007, 09:33 AM
pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics pics :D :D :D :D

Sometimes my pc doesnt detect my camera so i just bought one of those sd card readers from crazy clarks and works great :)

Just wondering, might sound like a stupid question but if you didnt do the extra work on your engine and you put the turbo on, would you still be making 145Hp ?

magnatism
14-04-2007, 10:17 AM
heres the pics

magnatism
14-04-2007, 10:19 AM
Just wondering, might sound like a stupid question but if you didnt do the extra work on your engine and you put the turbo on, would you still be making 145Hp ?

if i didnt do the extra work it would prob only make 145 at peak revs. there is more left in her yet

Gemini
14-04-2007, 10:32 AM
OK, so its not safe to do this to a stocko lol! I freak out revving it out to 4.5k NA i think it will die with stock internals underboost at those revs haha.

Nice pics :D It looks alot more better than i thought it will but im guessing its because of the FWD layout.

TZABOY
14-04-2007, 10:40 AM
top stuff well done!

JEDI
14-04-2007, 10:44 AM
those underbody pics are a tad dark but it looks like it was MEANT to fit in there!! Is it sitting snug in front of the fuel tank?

So the silver pipe is the exhaust going TO the turbo.
How does the one going off to the right work? It looks like that is the exhaust going out the back of the car or something.
where is the pipe to the throttle body?

And are u going to fit a splash guard underneath the filter?

sorry if im sounding retarded.

this thing is making me want to keep my car...

TZABOY
14-04-2007, 10:53 AM
those underbody pics are a tad dark but it looks like it was MEANT to fit in there!! Is it sitting snug in front of the fuel tank?

So the silver pipe is the exhaust going TO the turbo.
How does the one going off to the right work? It looks like that is the exhaust going out the back of the car or something.
where is the pipe to the throttle body?

And are u going to fit a splash guard underneath the filter?

sorry if im sounding retarded.

this thing is making me want to keep my car...
this should help a litte jedi


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/681/turbotrvj5.jpg

JEDI
14-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Ahh ha!
Cheers mate - didnt see that other pipe.:redface:

Awesome setup - like gemini said , cos of the FWD it looks sweet!

GoTRICE
14-04-2007, 11:40 AM
thats rad as, might be an idea for the v6 lads too

magnatism
14-04-2007, 12:36 PM
this should help a litte jedi


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/681/turbotrvj5.jpg

thats exactly right... this is a photo from early on will have to get some more pics of the completed setup

JEDI
14-04-2007, 12:38 PM
precisely my thinking.
would be even better dont you think?
apparently a garrett T3 would best suit the 3L v6's in a remote setup?

Madmagna
14-04-2007, 01:00 PM
Interesting idea however how do you rely on gas expansoion that you would normally rely on to get the turbo to spool up?

ALso, in the wet days, what about all the water, mud and crap getting on the filter?

Turbo's are mounted close to the motor for a reason, this may work to an extent however you will get far better results with it in the normal place

Mrmacomouto
14-04-2007, 02:12 PM
Interesting idea however how do you rely on gas expansoion that you would normally rely on to get the turbo to spool up?

ALso, in the wet days, what about all the water, mud and crap getting on the filter?

Turbo's are mounted close to the motor for a reason, this may work to an extent however you will get far better results with it in the normal place


The few with this set up have said that a little splash here and there generally doesn't matter.

He didn't want the best results, he wanted the best results from a rear mount turbo.

JEDI
14-04-2007, 04:11 PM
Interesting idea however how do you rely on gas expansoion that you would normally rely on to get the turbo to spool up?

ALso, in the wet days, what about all the water, mud and crap getting on the filter?

Turbo's are mounted close to the motor for a reason, this may work to an extent however you will get far better results with it in the normal place


welding a splash guard underneath the air filter should help heaps in anything bar trying to ford rivers :)

Can u see that filter heaps from the side or does the skirt cover it pretty well?

Lucifer
14-04-2007, 04:33 PM
Looking very sweet dude, almost makes me want one myself.

Dave
14-04-2007, 04:41 PM
i am not convinced with that setup. surely having the turbo so far from the motor is going to cause big lag issues?

dimi108
14-04-2007, 04:49 PM
i am not convinced with that setup. surely having the turbo so far from the motor is going to cause big lag issues?
Hmm i was thinking that too.

But it looks tops!
I just worry about the water and mud going onto the filter?
Now that's an issue.

Also, can that filter be seen from the side of the car? :confused:

Dave
14-04-2007, 04:57 PM
also, that turbo/filter could get submerged in water when its hot and running. Will crack it instantly. guess its not so much a problem here in auz

dimi108
14-04-2007, 04:59 PM
guess its not so much a problem here in auz
But when it rains here, it rains!

Scary

MAGNA
14-04-2007, 05:07 PM
If you look around on the web, there isn't a problem with the turbo getting wet. If you're worried about the filter you can get filter socks.

This looks like an awesome idea :D

Gemini
14-04-2007, 05:59 PM
Im curious about the oil and water lines.

magnatism
14-04-2007, 06:47 PM
there are no water lines just oil. solid copper tubing. this turbo spools very quickly anyway, and with my already higher compression doesnt lag as much as you would think. i dont think u can see the filter from the side, although the intercooler pipes can be seen if ya duck down a bit.

its a completely stealth setup. most cops wouldnt have a clue it was turbo if they open up the bonnet. Mick from ovaboost reckons its like a kinder surprise... standard to look at with some good **** inside

Meh
15-04-2007, 12:17 AM
awsome work !!!!!!!!!!

id love to chuck on of these set up's on

magnamechanic
15-04-2007, 06:39 AM
what size turbo did you use?

i was thinking of doing my 3.5

if lag is a problem isnt the fix to use a smaller turbo?

has your car got a cold now? aaaaaaaachoooooooooo :P

Mortz
15-04-2007, 11:10 AM
Gotta say that props need to be given for even going ahead and turboing the Magna...I was getting sick of the threads about turbo's and it never happening.

Lucifer
15-04-2007, 11:29 AM
Gotta say that props need to be given for even going ahead and turboing the Magna...I was getting sick of the threads about turbo's and it never happening.
:stoopid:

BiG 4 CyL
15-04-2007, 11:35 AM
THATS TEH SEX!!! looks awesome mate! top stuff! more PIX!!! engine bay 2!

magnatism
15-04-2007, 11:46 AM
Its an R33 turbo T3 i think, which is pretty small anyway so it spools up quick.
Ill get more pics next week.

JEDI
15-04-2007, 12:11 PM
anyone reckon this should be stickied or something?

Mortz
15-04-2007, 01:15 PM
No point really, if we all keep posting like maniacs it'll keep bumped lol

Gemini
15-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Its an R33 turbo T3 i think, which is pretty small anyway so it spools up quick.
Ill get more pics next week.

I think the 33's had T28's :think:

bob_saget
15-04-2007, 03:40 PM
I think the 33's had T28's :think:

yer, i thought t28 aswell... or was that sr's? t3, t4 etc.. is wrx/subaru turbs eh?

edit... would something like this work an a 3.5l v6? with maybe a slightly bigger turbo? i would seriously look into this if it suits my car, 2g's for a turbo set up, even if it is only low boost, is pretty good value i reckon, i doubt 2grand would net the same results if spent on n/a mods

Gemini
15-04-2007, 07:15 PM
The VL Turbo's use a T3 and they are a 6 cyl so it should do good on a 3.5 V6.

Magnatism, what did you think of the weather today ? make you nervous about that pod ? :D

piv
15-04-2007, 07:42 PM
Haha I never check the second gen forum since I don't like them.. but finding this thread was like easter to read it from start to finish.

I'm glad you're not the type that just dribbles **** and never actually does anything, you actually went ahead and did something different... and it looks like it turned out pretty well. I laughed when I saw that intercooler picture though - I was looking at the radiator thinking "that isn't stealth... why is it even that big?" then I realised what was going on :bowrofl:

All the skeptics and whingers should pipe down... every second fool is running a magical cold air induction which picks up water and small children from the surface of the road but object to having a pod tucked up near the fuel tank :nuts: Also the turbo is never going to get stuck on the maccas speed bump, if any rear mounted turbo manages to hit the ground you're going to have bigger problems than losing a turbo.

Upside to this is you can use extractors too :) Although I can't see how the cops wont pick up on this by opening the bonnet if they have any portion of a brain, if you follow the tube back from the inlet manifold it goes for a wander into the front bar then heads off down to the back of the car..

Anyway all in all looks pretty toidy and original... well done for giving it a go.

magnamechanic
15-04-2007, 07:53 PM
i was told that a t28 would work from a 2.5lt up to a 4.5 lt motor
looks like a great idea to run extractors and remove the rear muffler

magnatism
15-04-2007, 08:08 PM
well im not too sure what turbo it is then but i bought it off and rb25 gtst skyline.
thanks for all the interest everyone its quite surprising actually.
hopefully tomorrow everything will all be tuned up and running so i can bring it home.
i really wan2 take it to the drags on wednesday night but im so scared im gunna break sumthin like the g/box or a cv. i will definitely bring it out to thursday night socials tho this week if all is finished.

im not worried about the pod being under there its just like anybody elses cold air intake really. she'll be right. its not an everyday driver anymore anyway

Deanimus
15-04-2007, 08:13 PM
good stuff mate!!! i knew you'd get it finished. good on ya.

now i need to do the turbo to keep up with you.(not)
(ive only done the efi conversion)

you've gone from carby auto, to manual efi, to rebuilt manual turbo! :D
engine bay pics!

likeashot
15-04-2007, 09:50 PM
well im not too sure what turbo it is then but i bought it off and rb25 gtst skyline.
thanks for all the interest everyone its quite surprising actually.
hopefully tomorrow everything will all be tuned up and running so i can bring it home.
i really wan2 take it to the drags on wednesday night but im so scared im gunna break sumthin like the g/box or a cv. i will definitely bring it out to thursday night socials tho this week if all is finished.

im not worried about the pod being under there its just like anybody elses cold air intake really. she'll be right. its not an everyday driver anymore anyway

Man i can't wait to see this in the flesh:drool: , i'm going to motorplex on the 23rd of may or the 30th of may hope to see you there.:bouncin:

Lucifer
15-04-2007, 11:28 PM
well im not too sure what turbo it is then but i bought it off and rb25 gtst skyline.
thanks for all the interest everyone its quite surprising actually.
hopefully tomorrow everything will all be tuned up and running so i can bring it home.
i really wan2 take it to the drags on wednesday night but im so scared im gunna break sumthin like the g/box or a cv. i will definitely bring it out to thursday night socials tho this week if all is finished.

im not worried about the pod being under there its just like anybody elses cold air intake really. she'll be right. its not an everyday driver anymore anyway
Pretty sure its a T3 (or T03? I dunno... something with three in it) as I bought one off an R33-RB25GTST. Prove me wrong folks.

dimi108
15-04-2007, 11:31 PM
Yepo it's a T3 :)

magnatism
16-04-2007, 05:20 PM
more bad news...
still havent finished the car now as the fuel pump supplier sent the pump to the wrong courier or something so will finally get pump in and tune tomorrow

TZABOY
16-04-2007, 05:35 PM
mate, no car modifications ever go smoothly. a couple of days extra waiting isn't too bad considering what other dudes on here have been through. i was lucky i only had to wait 1 extra day for my car to get the s/c

likeashot
16-04-2007, 05:41 PM
At least you haven't hurt yourself as that's what usually happens to me when i do some major work to my car:redface: .
Like this weekend when i sliced my finger open whilst installing an E-manage.:confused: (don't ask)

magnatism
16-04-2007, 08:05 PM
i am getting stitches out tomorrow arvo too so gotta take it easy on the clutch

i sliced my knee open and u could see the knee cap day b4 good friday.

im kinda with ya on the hurtin urself thing

dimi108
16-04-2007, 08:07 PM
i am getting stitches out tomorrow arvo too so gotta take it easy on the clutch

i sliced my knee open and u could see the knee cap day b4 good friday.

im kinda with ya on the hurtin urself thing
Poor bloke. Did you touch it? Your knee cap?

Press it

magnatism
16-04-2007, 08:12 PM
funnily enough didnt see the need tolol

BiG 4 CyL
17-04-2007, 03:58 PM
funnily enough didnt see the need tolol

yeh funny that hahah

magnatism
17-04-2007, 09:30 PM
k more bad/good news...

car is tuned and crankin but problem with oil drain line being too small and blowing oil thru turbo. this will be rectified tomorrow.

however car is tuned and pumped out a blistering 152 hp atw on 5.5psi and an astonishing 924lb of torque (thats more torque than a 5ltr v8)

we compared the graphs n/a and turbo on the same screen and power and torque are up right across the board. there is no power loss due to lag etc at all. it makes peak power earlier and for longer. power is above 140hp from 4000 - 6000rpm.

looking good so far. definitely expecting to run into 14 sec barrier with this tune

Meh
17-04-2007, 09:34 PM
congrads dude :-)

love the feeling of seeing big hp figures :cool:

smooth2
17-04-2007, 09:41 PM
wow almost 1000lbs now thats nuts(are u sure on that.cos the only engine ive seen with that much torqure was a small block chev with 600 bhp).but if so u would want some good tyres in the hopes that u don't spin the wheels all the way down the 1/4 mile. top effort , now thats one astron id like to hear and see:D

Lucifer
17-04-2007, 09:44 PM
I'd hate to be your gearbox dude :bowrofl: Or even your tyres! Sounds like a big shredder right here.

magnatism
17-04-2007, 09:53 PM
it should be ok.
the power was still climbing when we added boost but 5.5psi will do. may go to 7psi eventually... should push 160

likeashot
17-04-2007, 09:59 PM
Stop it your scaring me now.:shock: (runs and hides VR-X in shed)

dimi108
17-04-2007, 10:03 PM
Hey congrats with the work! Top stuff.

Hang on a sec, 924lbs!?!?!??! lol

Hmmm are you sure?
Okay that's around 1270nm of torque!?

A 2004 Porsche 911 Carerra Twin Turbo has 501lbs of torque with 480BHP. A Dodge Viper GTS-R le-mans racer has 896lbs of torque with 788 BHP.

Are you sure you about this?

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/2000/Road_Atlanta-2000-09-30-092.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i45/overholerice/porsche911twinturbo.jpg

magnatism
17-04-2007, 10:07 PM
its definitely 924 lbs of torque are u thinking foot pounds??

dimi108
17-04-2007, 10:10 PM
its definitely 924 lbs of torque are u thinking foot pounds??
I'm not sure?
How much NM of torque would it be putting out? (i'm not really familiar with pounds)

Chuck
17-04-2007, 10:21 PM
"lbs" IS pounds!

Theres no way your car is putting out that much torque, period! that would be more than a veyron! More than any supercar! lol

magnatism
17-04-2007, 10:26 PM
all i know is it is 924 Lb
the n/a engine put out 570 Lb

Lucifer
17-04-2007, 10:26 PM
"lbs" IS pounds!

Theres no way your car is putting out that much torque, period! that would be more than a veyron! More than any supercar! lol
Clearly the Veyron has much to learn from a remote turbo equipped Astron II lol

Chuck
17-04-2007, 10:31 PM
aaaaahahaha
Sorry....the most powerful stock astron (commonrail turbo intercooled) only put out 232 lbs of torque....i dont know how your n/a made 570....ahahaha lol

dimi108
17-04-2007, 10:33 PM
570lbs?! What is going on here :doh:

magnatism
17-04-2007, 10:41 PM
righto well i've got the dyno read outs that say 924 Lb so whatever ya reckon. your obviously taliking about different units of measure.

maybe someone with dyno dynamics roller dyno experience can comment??

Chuck
17-04-2007, 10:47 PM
why dont you post up this dyno read out then?

no....you said it was 924 lbs....im saying lbs is lbs and theres no way your car is putting out that much torque!!!
:nuts:

ScoTTy95SI
17-04-2007, 10:50 PM
good news bro u taking it for a drive on road yet mate? :) mite have to see this on thurs night :D

magnatism
17-04-2007, 10:54 PM
this is a pic of my first ever dyno runs standard the toque is 570 then with computer goes into 600 -700 range. the other dyno readouts are still in car at workshop

magnatism
17-04-2007, 10:55 PM
waitin to sort out oil drain issue so no road driving yet.
anyways im going to bed have to be up early... make of it what u will chuck

Chuck
17-04-2007, 11:07 PM
Look...its obvious you dont really know what you're talking about.....you wont get accurate torque figures from a dyno dynamics dyno....depending on what gear you're in you're gonna have all different figure...

Im not tryina put you down....im just saying your car isnt making 924lbs of torque atw! do you really think your car has more torque atw than a supercar has atfw?

dimi108
17-04-2007, 11:13 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking. Cos 924lbs of torque on a 2.6 ltr 4cyl turbo at 150bhp (or even 350bhp) wouldn't match up.

Like mentioned in the above examples of a Dodge Viper GTS-R and a 911 Turbo.

Torque figures are definitely miscalculated.

Meh
17-04-2007, 11:24 PM
i think u use that in some equation to get the torque

magnamechanic
18-04-2007, 03:47 AM
115hp = 85kw???

somethings not right there
whats a std 4cly magna got?

magnatism
18-04-2007, 06:19 AM
Look...its obvious you dont really know what you're talking about.....you wont get accurate torque figures from a dyno dynamics dyno....depending on what gear you're in you're gonna have all different figure...

Im not tryina put you down....im just saying your car isnt making 924lbs of torque atw! do you really think your car has more torque atw than a supercar has atfw?

i definitely agree that it would have no where near the torque of a supercar or equivelant im not trying to say it has i am only giving the details i have to the people who were interested. i'll ask when i go back today how to convert to nm or something. the point i was trying to illustrate was the torque difference in my car from originally 570 x to now 924 x is a gain of 62% torque in an already torquey engine. (all dyno's in 3rd gear, 4TH PRODUCED 4HP MORE BUT WANTED TO KEEP MAP SAME AS ORIGINAL FOR COMPARISONS)

oh and magna mechanic the standard tr 4 cyl has 95hp atfw according to our dyno exp. and 102kW at the flywheel or something like that according to wikipedia

GoTRICE
18-04-2007, 06:37 AM
115hp = 85kw???

somethings not right there
whats a std 4cly magna got?

std magna's from QMD in auto got 63/65kwatw/84/87hpatw and 1 manual with cat back min got around 77kw/103hpatw i believe in astron 2 form.

Atm i have 150hp atw, while it's fun it's not really a traction problem...

But what i want to know is how long are the 4cyl gear ratios... ie i change at 65km/h 1st to 2nd and 105/110km/h 2nd to 3rd, if i snap 2nd it spins up abit as oppose to a little chirp unless it's got alot of grip available but yeah i don't really have traction problems at all only on grass hills.

Phonic
18-04-2007, 07:31 AM
Guys with the torque reading, thats at the wheels. As mentioned gears will multiply the torque readings (put a stock astron on the dyno in 1st gear and watch the torque go wild). Without some accurate calculations the only other way to measure torque output at the motor is by using an engine dyno.

But for Magnatism's needs (tuning) he doesn't care what that figure is as long as he can see the improvement at the wheels.

BiG 4 CyL
18-04-2007, 11:30 AM
ahhh how good is the criticism!!!:doubt:
good to hear its coming along well magnatism, more picks and info please!:D
cant wait til its finished and on the road!
when ya pass all the girls go OoOoOoOoOoOo!! haha
keep it coming mate!

big 4

btw im a stock 4 cyl and i got 103hp atw, 77kw. very impressed i was.

Sports
18-04-2007, 02:56 PM
That torque figure is tractive effort at the wheels, it cant be compared to the engine. It varies by different tyres, tyre pressure's, ware and tare on your bearings, CV's. It's more like grip sort of thing.

dimi108
18-04-2007, 03:37 PM
There's no criticism at all, it just cannot possible have 924lbs of torque (if we're talking about the correct units here).
I still don't get it how you guys think this vehicle is pushing more torque than a quad turbo Bugatti Veyron ROFL :bowrofl:

It's either something is miscalculated, or we're talking about different units of measurement here.

Any idea how much torque it has in Nm (Newton Metres)?
That would be easier :thumbsup:

greenmatt
18-04-2007, 03:56 PM
There's no criticism at all, it just cannot possible have 924lbs of torque (if we're talking about the correct units here).
I still don't get it how you guys think this vehicle is pushing more torque than a quad turbo Bugatti Veyron ROFL :bowrofl:

It's either something is miscalculated, or we're talking about different units of measurement here.

Any idea how much torque it has in Nm (Newton Metres)?
That would be easier :thumbsup:

Its tractive effort. You cant calculate easily the relationship between tractive effort and torque at the flywheel. More pics please and good work.

magnatism
18-04-2007, 04:19 PM
yes as i found out this arvo it is Lb of tractive effort not torque so there ya go.

just drove her home and all i can say is OMFG!!! it is AWESOME!!!
there is no lag at all boost starts at 2000 rpm and redlines at 6000rpm. it even has more torque under 2000rpm as the intake pipes are long etc whereas i lost bottom end b4 with pod straight onto t/b.

heres the pic of my dyno. it was actually 151.7hp nut the bugger wouldnt write the .7

Gemini
18-04-2007, 05:35 PM
heres the pic of my dyno. it was actually 151.7hp nut the bugger wouldnt write the .7

What RPM did it make 151.7HP ? I suck at dyno reading.

I found this equation on this (http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html) site.

EDIT: damn it didnt paste properly.

T = HP * 5252 / RPM

magnatism
18-04-2007, 05:38 PM
makes over 140hp from 3800 - 6000rpm roughly
peak is about 5500rpm -5750 i think

magnamechanic
18-04-2007, 05:42 PM
good gains good work

im looking for a turbo:D

magnatism
18-04-2007, 05:44 PM
thanks mate dont forget ecu, fuel pressure reg, fuel pump, and oil scavenge pump too...

dimi108
18-04-2007, 06:03 PM
Well that explains it then. Sif 942lbs of torque I was like eh? I missed something here?

Top stuff. Can you hear the turbo spooling?

Gemini
18-04-2007, 06:48 PM
i want to do this on my car now :(

dimi108
18-04-2007, 07:01 PM
Why don't ya? It's pretty cheap too

magnatism
18-04-2007, 07:30 PM
um yeah u can really hear it it sounds so cool

Chuck
18-04-2007, 07:34 PM
Like I said man....I wasnt tryina put you down.....it just couldnt have been that much torque at the wheels.....all sorted now... heheh :)

magnatism
18-04-2007, 07:36 PM
Like I said man....I wasnt tryina put you down.....it just couldnt have been that much torque at the wheels.....all sorted now... heheh :)

yeah i realise that but i had no other info to go off. the torque is wicked tho whatever it may be!

dimi108
18-04-2007, 07:43 PM
Coolies :thumbsup:
So how much was the total cost including all the extra little bits?

magnatism
18-04-2007, 08:21 PM
i already had computer - $1500
turbo - $300
intercooler - free
fuel pressure reg - $190
fuel pump - $220
oil pump, fitting and tuning custom making intercooler etc - $2000

$4210 i guess but could be done much cheaper ie. 2nd hand computer $300 - $500

MAGNA
18-04-2007, 08:30 PM
What brand of oil pump did you use? There has been talk on other forums about the oil temperature being too hot for most pumps to handle.

Where did you plump it from/to on the engine?

magnatism
18-04-2007, 08:53 PM
i really cant remember the name of the pump, but i know vdo has been used with great success
the oil feed comes from a t-piece off oil pressure switch, and drain goes back to top of sump.

the turbo gets no where near hot enough to affect anything

Lucifer
18-04-2007, 08:54 PM
Dude that's ****ing EROTIC.

Top stuff.

Gemini
18-04-2007, 09:10 PM
I just had the most awesome idea for the air intake. I know you said that the pod will be fine where it is, but it will bother me non stop and i will be always worrying about it.

I was thinking it will be cool to have an enclosure for the pod (or filter) and then have a pipe coming out to the back of the car so it looks like you have dual exhaust system :)

dimi108
18-04-2007, 09:12 PM
What if the police are behind you?

Gemini
18-04-2007, 09:30 PM
What if the police are behind you?

It will just look like a dual exhaust to them :)

dimi108
18-04-2007, 09:31 PM
Huh? As if with a red pod filter sticking out of the rear bar?

Lucifer
18-04-2007, 09:40 PM
Huh? As if with a red pod filter sticking out of the rear bar?
I think he just means a straight pipe without a filter... which would defeat the purpose lol

dimi108
18-04-2007, 09:42 PM
I think he just means a straight pipe without a filter... which would defeat the purpose lol
Game over if someone sticks a hot potato in there

TZABOY
18-04-2007, 09:43 PM
well done mate! welcome to the world of boost where too much is never enough!

Gemini
18-04-2007, 09:47 PM
I think he just means a straight pipe without a filter... which would defeat the purpose lol

lol nah, still have the filter lol. This is what i meant. Sorry its a **** house drawing but you get the idea. I was just thinking maybe it wont be such a good idea because the pipe might be to restricting :confused:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4494/dumbpictq5.png

Oh yeah the circle is the turbo haha

Lucifer
18-04-2007, 09:49 PM
Game over if someone sticks a hot potato in there
It would come out as mashed potato in the engine lol Nasty.

Thats a pretty kickass drawing of a turbo dude, did you do that yourself :bowrofl:

Gemini
18-04-2007, 09:52 PM
It would come out as mashed potato in the engine lol Nasty.

Thats a pretty kickass drawing of a turbo dude, did you do that yourself :bowrofl:

I was trying ages to draw one so i just thought ****it lol

Shadex
18-04-2007, 11:46 PM
Thats a pretty kickass drawing of a turbo dude, did you do that yourself :bowrofl:

LMAO!! that made me lol irl :bowrofl:

magnatism
19-04-2007, 06:23 AM
well done mate! welcome to the world of boost where too much is never enough!

yeah tell me about it. apparently 5.5psi really does nothing with a turbo. i already wan2 bump it up. dont think i should tho 1st gear is already scary enough over 1/3 throttle.

oh btw congrats on that awesome time too.

Lucid-_-Magna
19-04-2007, 03:45 PM
Hmmm $4000 i can do that..... but should i do that or do the DOHC swap first ah so many choices :rant: Top stuff man, just dont go nuts with the boost and ruin it for the rest of us :P

GoTRICE
19-04-2007, 04:19 PM
Hmmm $4000 i can do that..... but should i do that or do the DOHC swap first ah so many choices :rant: Top stuff man, just dont go nuts with the boost and ruin it for the rest of us :P

DOHC swap = 170hp for at least 2 of us... then add the turbo later... haha would be a mad idea for my car, or any fwd.

Top work mag

ScoTTy95SI
20-04-2007, 05:43 PM
saw this car last night looks and sounds awsome welldone mate.. :D

magnatism
20-04-2007, 07:53 PM
thanks mate still having issues with the oil drain back had to fabricate a sump for the turbo today and run the pump from that but i think the little filter in the oil pump is restricting its flow massively

stereo_god
21-04-2007, 08:07 AM
can you record a video on spedo when accelerating from stand still. i want to see how fast it gets up to 100kmh if you dont mind:D

does anyone know what turbo the sigmas had?? dont want to start another thread

Lucifer
21-04-2007, 09:18 AM
can you record a video on spedo when accelerating from stand still. i want to see how fast it gets up to 100kmh if you dont mind:D

does anyone know what turbo the sigmas had?? dont want to start another thread
T03/T4 I do believe... One of the two, I've seen them with either one.

magnatism
21-04-2007, 10:25 AM
i may rig a camera in the car to do that when i race next wednesday. i dont really want to thrash it too much till then still trying to burn the oil outta the muffler. rough guess would be 6-7 sec but 0 -130 is only bout 8 -9 sec.

Gemini
21-04-2007, 10:30 AM
Are you deff going to go to the drags next week ? :D

ScoTTy95SI
21-04-2007, 12:27 PM
i mite go down next week and race again mate.. mite have to race u hehe

magnatism
22-04-2007, 09:05 AM
yeah ill be there

GoTRICE
22-04-2007, 10:43 AM
yeah ill be there

hope to see ya in the 14's mate... should be possible. My advice stall it up and dump mildly...:D

I ran with clutch/tyre issues and got a 15.6 no worries pulled like 1hp less than what you have.

magnatism
22-04-2007, 10:52 AM
u dont wanna see what happens when ya dump the clutch... nasty

bob_saget
22-04-2007, 06:16 PM
are the drags running this wednesday?.... public holiday remember, but if they are i might come down for a watch

magnatism
22-04-2007, 07:16 PM
i.ve been told they are. guess ill be racing down anketell rd if theyre not

magnatism
22-04-2007, 07:33 PM
dammit!!!! whoopass is off this wednesday just checked the site

ScoTTy95SI
22-04-2007, 07:56 PM
lol ankatell rd then ?:P hehe that sucks they cant do that to us :( mite go work on my VC on wed then ey.. i think i been talked into twin turboing that just need to get some more info about turbod carby engines pm us if u have the answers

Monga
24-04-2007, 07:32 PM
nice work mate, get some good suspension that is tight and good rubber dropping it down to 20odd psi at the front and a good clutch to grab the power 14.1-14.7et 60ft 2.1

mine melted with 170fwhp in the tr after 120km

Gemini
02-05-2007, 11:53 AM
If the weather is good you going down tonight ?

magnatism
02-05-2007, 05:04 PM
motorplex cancelled it due to rain!!
so pissed i've been hanging out for 2 weeks now

Gemini
02-05-2007, 06:47 PM
Thats May for ya.

ScoTTy95SI
02-05-2007, 09:49 PM
cough race this sunday.. :D

magnatism
03-05-2007, 07:30 PM
??? racing on sunday?? tell me more.
couldnt wait for the drags found a nice new street and launched hard in first riding the clutch to minimise wheelspin and smashed second too. all i can say is whoa!!! i am gunna try my slicks at the drags and im expecting the first 0-100 to be over in 5 seconds.

even just launching hard riding the clutch it did about 6.... scary! one of the wheels was spinning most of the way thru 2nd gear aswell.

magnatism
03-05-2007, 07:38 PM
k just read about drag warz on sunday **** yeah!!! im definitely going hope to see more magnas this time.

ScoTTy95SI
03-05-2007, 09:56 PM
good news illl b cheering u on bro :)

Gemini
03-05-2007, 10:05 PM
****ing sweet man!! Im gonna come watch :)

You think i should enter with my car ? I wanted to do it ages ago anyways :D I expect plenty of laughs.

Cant wait to see what your car can do and to see the setup in the flesh VERY curious about it :cool:

Shwagg
04-05-2007, 08:31 AM
Magnatism you are the MAN!!!! :bowrofl: Awesome mod!!

Monga
04-05-2007, 08:49 AM
??? racing on sunday?? tell me more.
couldnt wait for the drags found a nice new street and launched hard in first riding the clutch to minimise wheelspin and smashed second too. all i can say is whoa!!! i am gunna try my slicks at the drags and im expecting the first 0-100 to be over in 5 seconds.

even just launching hard riding the clutch it did about 6.... scary! one of the wheels was spinning most of the way thru 2nd gear aswell.


Realistic times would be around 7.1-7.5 seconds to 100kmph. good luck with sunday mate ill be there to have alook

magnatism
06-05-2007, 07:35 PM
well she ran 15.2 today with slicks and again on street tyres.
not really happy with it tho i know it can go faster like at night for example it definitely pulls harder.
I also had an awesome launch with a 2.0 60' time but got off the throttle when i heard a sickening crunch. it was actually the car next to me breaking something, but when i realised that my car was ok it was too late to pull a good run. would have been 14.99/15.0

but then again still not bad for a 4 cyl magna...

i want to up the boost already!!!

BiG 4 CyL
06-05-2007, 07:40 PM
well she ran 15.2 today with slicks and again on street tyres.
not really happy with it tho i know it can go faster like at night for example it definitely pulls harder.
I also had an awesome launch with a 2.0 60' time but got off the throttle when i heard a sickening crunch. it was actually the car next to me breaking something, but when i realised that my car was ok it was too late to pull a good run. would have been 14.99/15.0

but then again still not bad for a 4 cyl magna...

i want to up the boost already!!!

sounds good man, u gotta start somewhere ay. wanna see some engine bay pix tho please :D
you probly gotta learn how to drive it again but you'll get there. keep it up!!

magnatism
06-05-2007, 07:47 PM
nah i was driving it as hard as it would go but there is definitely a high 14 there if the air temp is low enough, or if i cheated and stripped my interior like most of the cars there today

Gemini
06-05-2007, 08:01 PM
I only done two runs because i was afraid of braking my car lol. And also i didnt really want to wait another hour to do a run.

First run was 18.421 second run was 18.399 so atleast it was a tiny bit faster. My car is so damn slow omg but im sure if i get more practice i could get something better :)

magnatism, thanks for giving me some tips that actually did help my time. 15.2 eh ? pretty good :D Makes me wanna get a supercharger setup on mine :)

Its such a trip hearing a BOV coming from a magna that looks completely stock.

EDIT: i forgot to take my sub woofers out but i doubt it would have made a diff lol

magnatism
06-05-2007, 08:09 PM
its a shame u didnt race some more it is quite addictive though.
glad u had fun. im not even running a BOV but the noise is the boost coming back thru the pod filter after i back off.

im really glad it looks so stock that was the whole aim of the exercise. there were so many people coming to have a look under he bonnet and then saying "this thing sounded like it had a turbo??"

also if anyone got some pics of my car i'd like some the ones we took didnt turn out too well.
so gemini, scotty or monga let me know

GoTRICE
07-05-2007, 06:41 AM
awesome launch mate, when i go back i'll be hoping to get in that vacinity... except i've got to get a fair bit more weight (heavy engine) going... i'd be happy with a 2.2 60ft.

I'm sure you'll be able to get her into the 14's.

magnatism
07-05-2007, 02:42 PM
running at night or taking my stereo outta the boot i believe 14.8/9 is possible.

BiG 4 CyL
07-05-2007, 03:52 PM
running at night or taking my stereo outta the boot i believe 14.8/9 is possible.
or both, you'll get a high 14 anyway bro, go for gold!