I'm on a search for tuners and software/hardware and all known facts relating to tuning the 380. It's the next logical step after the lite mods we've started on so far.

I found some interesting facts so far in the quest.

1. The third catalytic converter is not necessary for ADR compliance under Euro3 requirements. It is a convenient way to create a subtle back pressure for the balance of 02 and airflow sensors. It can be removed as i have done but will then cause the sensors to provide incorrect information to the ECU that cause it to run rich (evidence; my current situation). The ECU maps are very finely balanced for power versus economy and even running on different fuels over a period can cause check engine warnings.

2. The 380 ECU can be accessed via a 15 pin rectangular plug on the left hand side of the wheel under the dash (I haven't looked for it yet). It is the same industry standard interface used by many manufacturers - good news.

3. The Mitu ECUs, including EVOs, are notoriously difficult to tune because the chips (EPROMS) are soldered to the PCB and can't be removed. They can be reflashed, as done with EVOs.

4. So far no-one has attempted (outside Ralliart) to retune the 380 - that's about to change :) .

5. The OZ 3.8 litre engine is a very strong engine. The US Galant 3.8 that was the donor was tested here and a number of crankshafts failed.
The Australian manufactured engine has a strengthened steel crank as one of the changes implemented for the 380.

6. The initial version of the TMR 380 engine developed 270KW @ 8PSI and passed all Mitsu bishi's engineering and reliability testing. The boost was reduced to 6PSI and 245KW due a cautious approach adopted later in the project by MMC.

I'll post more as I go.

I'm on a search for tuners and software/hardware and all known facts relating to tuning the 380. It's the next logical step after the lite mods we've started on so far.

I found some interesting facts so far in the quest.

1. The third catalytic converter is not necessary for ADR compliance under Euro3 requirements. It is a convenient way to create a subtle back pressure for the balance of 02 and airflow sensors. It can be removed as i have done but will then cause the sensors to provide incorrect information to the ECU that cause it to run rich (evidence; my current situation). The ECU maps are very finely balanced for power versus economy and even running on different fuels over a period can cause check engine warnings.

2. The 380 ECU can be accessed via a 15 pin rectangular plug on the left hand side of the wheel under the dash (I haven't looked for it yet). It is the same industry standard interface used by many manufacturers - good news.

3. The Mitu ECUs, including EVOs, are notoriously difficult to tune because the chips (EPROMS) are soldered to the PCB and can't be removed. They can be reflashed, as done with EVOs.

4. So far no-one has attempted (outside Ralliart) to retune the 380 - that's about to change :) .

5. The OZ 3.8 litre engine is a very strong engine. The US Galant 3.8 that was the donor was tested here and a number of crankshafts failed.
The Australian manufactured engine has a strengthened steel crank as one of the changes implemented for the 380.

6. The initial version of the TMR 380 engine developed 270KW @ 8PSI and passed all Mitsu bishi's engineering and reliability testing. The boost was reduced to 6PSI and 245KW due a cautious approach adopted later in the project by MMC.

I'll post more as I go.
how do you know all of these things dude?

as for ecu, just fork out the dosh and go a stand alone setup. Would you consider getting complete custom extractors for it as well?

how do you know all of these things dude?

Well, I don't. I'm regurgitating what I've gleaned from a source inside Mitsubishi through someone very knowledgeable in the dealership I bought my car from. Once you convince these ppl you are serious about finding out about the car they produce all sorts of info.
I'm not just repeating what could be crap tho, I've heard similiar info from other sources i.e. local tuners. Anything I feel is dodgy info I've left for later so I can verify it.
By posting this sort of info here exposes it to a wider scrutiny from ex Mitsu employees (or current ones) who can rip it apart or back it up.

The problem is that MMAL has lost the ppl who could have covertly supported some modding, and it's going to be a long process to research what we need compared to the Magna days when the local know how was very accessible.


as for ecu, just fork out the dosh and go a stand alone setup. Would you consider getting complete custom extractors for it as well?
Yeah, don't worry, I would if it was available, but the only appropriate unit is the "under development" Haltech.
My source has confirmed Mitsiman's information that the crank angle sensor is a multi tooth setup that actually has gaps in it, rather than being symetrical, or evenly cogged. That has to be overcome first. This is the reason I'm also pursuing reflashing the ECU, which would be cheaper as well.

So Tarren's going to give it ago hey. Will be nice to see some good restults.

By posting this sort of info here exposes it to a wider scrutiny from ex Mitsu employees (or current ones) who can rip it apart or back it up.

The problem is that MMAL has lost the ppl who could have covertly supported some modding, and it's going to be a long process to research what we need compared to the Magna days when the local know how was very accessible.




Very true with that quote. I'll sit back, read and see what "your informant" comes back with from with in, then i shall pass it on to my former MMAL R&D work mates for there opinions. Be good to see theres and others from withins thoughts on it all. :P

Also one thing with the 3.8L engines in the 380 is they are weaker in the pistons than the 3.5L due to running very short piston skirts and lighter piston castings (to cut friction loss, weight etc) being lighter helps with rotational mass but sometimes structual integrity (forged pistons help greatly there) is more important than outright weight, especially when us car nuts like to push the envelope with the factory hardware.

Ian Eddy here in SA trialled some short skirted pistons in his magna race car but went back to standard skirt length pistons after a few were found to have cracks in them after only a few race meetings. (wouldve made a mess if they let go during a race)

Also one thing with the 3.8L engines in the 380 is they are weaker in the pistons than the 3.5L due to running very short piston skirts and lighter piston castings (to cut friction loss, weight etc) being lighter helps with rotational mass but sometimes structual integrity (forged pistons help greatly there) is more important than outright weight, especially when us car nuts like to push the envelope with the factory hardware.


Without deriding your points let's examine that.

The short skirt pistons were used in a 3.5litre race engine. They weren't 3.8 litre pistons. I agree short skirt pistons plus higher piston velocities might be likely to cause failures as you've pointed out.
But that was under race conditions, I'm assuming, where the engine is working at 6000-7000 rpm continually.
On the other side of the coin is the TMR380.
I highly doubt Mitsubishi would sponsor development through Ralliart of a Mitsubishi engine that couldn't be found absolutely bulletproof under all and any supercharging conditions. MMC can't afford to have any reliability issues from it's brake fiasco legacy in Japan - coporate suicide.
I doubt whether Ralliart themselves would even undertake it if they had any doubts about the durability of pistons, crank or any of the engine hardware. Look at the experiences of running higher than 6 psi boost on the 3.5 litre pistons, yet the 3.8 litre, according to my sources was going to run around 8~9 psi.

I'm not saying the 3.8 litre doesn't have limitations in the pistons, but i think the jury is out and there is more evidence to say that for street and supercharging it is more than strong enough.

Anyway, off topic a bit - I wanted to keep the thread on tuning info.

Great stuff mate. I've been very intrigued on the enhancements you have made to the 380 so far.

Problem with Stand-Alone is that you 'might' loose some features like cruise, etc. Most likely none of that gets affected but will you loose the factory warranty? Or doesn't that bother you :P :badgrin:

How many kw/hp are you aiming for in total after this tune? And have you got any bigger plans in the future? (ie; cams, turbo, supercharger??)

Without deriding your points let's examine that.

The short skirt pistons were used in a 3.5litre race engine. They weren't 3.8 litre pistons. I agree short skirt pistons plus higher piston velocities might be likely to cause failures as you've pointed out.
But that was under race conditions, I'm assuming, where the engine is working at 6000-7000 rpm continually.
On the other side of the coin is the TMR380.
I highly doubt Mitsubishi would sponsor development through Ralliart of a Mitsubishi engine that couldn't be found absolutely bulletproof under all and any supercharging conditions. MMC can't afford to have any reliability issues from it's brake fiasco legacy in Japan - coporate suicide.
I doubt whether Ralliart themselves would even undertake it if they had any doubts about the durability of pistons, crank or any of the engine hardware. Look at the experiences of running higher than 6 psi boost on the 3.5 litre pistons, yet the 3.8 litre, according to my sources was going to run around 8~9 psi.

I'm not saying the 3.8 litre doesn't have limitations in the pistons, but i think the jury is out and there is more evidence to say that for street and supercharging it is more than strong enough.

Anyway, off topic a bit - I wanted to keep the thread on tuning info.

Mate have you seen an actual factory 380 3.8L piston? They arnt very strong looking at all.
As some people on here know i seriously looked at using a 3.8 as the base for my new high HP engine but after having a good look at the bottom end and discussing with my ex workmates from MMAL R&D i decided to stay with the 3.5L as its a good compromise.

Ian Eddys trial engine was infact a 3.8 block using 3.5 crank with 3.8 rods and pistons (it helps when he owns a mitsubishi wrecking yard lol) but hes now gone back to a full 3.5L

Yes for a bog stock low boost setup the 3.8l pistons may well be strong enough but as we all know the majority of us like to mod our cars for more power regardless of how they come from factory, so once a few power up mods are done to a S/C 3.8 the pistons would most likely die.

Also remember the guys that have fitted superchargers to there 3.5L have all been done to engines that have done a few Kms not brand new like the "factory" 3.8 S/C wouldve been.

Anyway good luck with your 380 modding, im sure over time there will be some nice outcomes :P

Keep us informed of how things go for ya :)

Mate have you seen an actual factory 380 3.8L piston? They arnt very strong looking at all.
As some people on here know i seriously looked at using a 3.8 as the base for my new high HP engine but after having a good look at the bottom end and discussing with my ex workmates from MMAL R&D i decided to stay with the 3.5L as its a good compromise.

Ian Eddys trial engine was infact a 3.8 block using 3.5 crank with 3.8 rods and pistons (it helps when he owns a mitsubishi wrecking yard lol) but hes now gone back to a full 3.5L

Yes for a bog stock low boost setup the 3.8l pistons may well be strong enough but as we all know the majority of us like to mod our cars for more power regardless of how they come from factory, so once a few power up mods are done to a S/C 3.8 the pistons would most likely die.


No I haven't, so I bow to your experience :bowdown: on this and consider my knowledge corrected ;)

No I haven't, so I bow to your experience :bowdown: on this and consider my knowledge corrected ;)

Wow taken like a man!lol

No I haven't, so I bow to your experience :bowdown: on this and consider my knowledge corrected ;)

:shock: Wasnt trying to offend ya mate.

All i was saying is that ive had a good chance to look at a stripped 3.8L engine and compare it to my stripped 3.5L. I wasnt trying to correct your knowledge or put you down.

Ha ha! No seriously mate, you didn't and I was serious about you correcting my lack of knowledge!:bowrofl:
I'm happy to be told when someone has got real experience that I'm going down the garden path lol

We don't know that much about the 380 so this is all good.

cheers.

Problem with Stand-Alone is that you 'might' loose some features like cruise, etc. Most likely none of that gets affected but will you loose the factory warranty? Or doesn't that bother you :P :badgrin:

Well, it does actually lol but I've talked to the service manager and more importantly the head tech and they've been really good about it. As long as the piggyback/remap/new ECU doesn't cause an obvious issue like flooding both manifold cats with fuel and destroying them or something similiar they will make a judgement on a warranty issue. You can't get better than that and I'm sure there are many dealers who just wouldn't bother.


How many kw/hp are you aiming for in total after this tune? And have you got any bigger plans in the future? (ie; cams, turbo, supercharger??)

Well it'd be nice to acheive 200KW @ flywheel but I don't think I'm going to get that without more mods. I'll settle for anything over 190HP ATW after a tune.
I won't be going any further than this for a number of reasons;
- I've done all this and worse in the past with an S13 years ago, I don't want to go back there,
- it's my daily driver and I need it 100% reliable for work,
- it's a novated lease car and going any further is crazy until I own it,
- my fiancee is muttering now and I don't want the stress!

In my dreams I'd love to fit the US MIVEC heads; but for the time,cost and difficulty I'd probably be better off S/C it.

Thanks guys for the encouragement; much appreciated :thumbsup:

Make sure that you get that in writting, those guys may not remember what they said or not even be employed at the time of claim.
Just a thought. Have been bitten a couple of times in the younger years.

Scott

Thanks for that. I bought my KE there in 1997 and I'm on first name terms with the whole service crew. They know me well, poor buggers.

These pics show where the access is under the dash on the left hand side of the steering wheel.
It's not easy to find unless you know where to look.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z179/Krossbolt/Car%20Pics/My%20Car/SocketLocation.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z179/Krossbolt/Car%20Pics/My%20Car/Socket1r.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z179/Krossbolt/Car%20Pics/My%20Car/Socket1r.jpg

:drool: 15 pin female socket :drool:

Can't wait to see what you guys can do with the 380, duno if anything was said yet but maybe check out what the galant guys have done with their ECU's.

That connector is an OBD II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Board_Diagnostics#OBD-II) connection.

:drool: 15 pin female socket :drool:

lol - depraved!



Thanks Bondy; looks like it is a 16 pin socket judging by Wiki.




:check out what the galant guys have done with their ECU's.

Yep, also the EVOs have very similiar setup and problems re tuning and remapping/reflashing.

I found a company who has a piggy back suitable for the 380.

ChipTorque at Gold Coast - Nerang.

http://www.chiptorque.com.au/

The Xede interceptor processor - has been fitted to some 380 VRX's with extractors already, so they tell me.

The unit is 990 and software for tuning comes with it. Otherwise they fit it and dyno it for significantly more.
They will provide basic maps for my tuner to start with.

I found a company who has a piggy back suitable for the 380.

ChipTorque at Gold Coast - Nerang.

http://www.chiptorque.com.au/

The Xede interceptor processor - has been fitted to some 380 VRX's with extractors already, so they tell me.

The unit is 990 and software for tuning comes with it. Otherwise they fit it and dyno it for significantly more.
They will provide basic maps for my tuner to start with.

zing!!

so when does it look like thats happening???

I found a company who has a piggy back suitable for the 380.

ChipTorque at Gold Coast - Nerang.

http://www.chiptorque.com.au/

The Xede interceptor processor - has been fitted to some 380 VRX's with extractors already, so they tell me.

The unit is 990 and software for tuning comes with it. Otherwise they fit it and dyno it for significantly more.
They will provide basic maps for my tuner to start with.


It's not a piggy back it's an interceptor.

A piggy back computer is a Haltech E6x or the like, one that has complete control of the engine and the factory ecu says nothing. It is running in parrellel. You still need to have all the sensors plugged in though so the ECU doesnt have a hissy fit and muck around.

An interceptor intercepts the ECU's commands and modifys them. It can only modify them to a certin extent, cant change rev limiters, can change the speed limiter though.

Interceptors loose theyre tune after a while to as the factory ECU can learn around them sometimes. Since they are lying to the ECU aswell problems can happen like the ECU frying or the interceptor frying or sensors playing up.

It's not a piggy back it's an interceptor.

A piggy back computer is a Haltech E6x or the like, one that has complete control of the engine and the factory ecu says nothing. It is running in parrellel. You still need to have all the sensors plugged in though so the ECU doesnt have a hissy fit and muck around.

An interceptor intercepts the ECU's commands and modifys them. It can only modify them to a certin extent, cant change rev limiters, can change the speed limiter though.

Interceptors loose theyre tune after a while to as the factory ECU can learn around them sometimes. Since they are lying to the ECU aswell problems can happen like the ECU frying or the interceptor frying or sensors playing up.
You have that ass about champ. Full replacement ECU's such as the Haltech E6X or Motec M800 etc take over completely from the factory ECU. A piggyback ECU such as the Haltech interceptor, Greddy Emanage etc intercept the signal from the stock ECU.

the obd2 conn is what we use at work for comms with mutt2/3

I'm assuming the 380 uses CAN (ISO 15765) protocol since it advertises that in it's 380 blurb.

ChipTorque sent me an example map of one of the VRX's they did with extractors (brand unknown). It peaked at 134KW :doubt: .

I still haven't decided which way to go yet. Doing some more research and ringing around first.

ChipTorque sent me an example map of one of the VRX's they did with extractors (brand unknown). It peaked at 134KW :doubt: .



but more importantly what did it indicate from the change from stocko to chipped? ie fuel ratio/mid range/torque/shape/gains... the old different dyno's saying

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z179/Krossbolt/Car%20Pics/My%20Car/ChipT380VRXHP2r3.jpg

torque looks good. And thats a 12kw peak gain and 6kw right through the range.... pretty good from a chip...

i'd give that a go but im pretty young and rash and my car isn't worth close to what yours is:D

ps i don't like chips. Full aftermarket FTW

Yeah, but the experienced guys here don't rate ChipTorque at all. I don't know what issues have occurred in the past with them but I'm going to explore other options first.

Here is an AUTOSPEED (http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_1545/article.html) article ont he Xede Interceptor module.

torque looks good. And thats a 12kw peak gain and 6kw right through the range.... pretty good from a chip...

i'd give that a go but im pretty young and rash and my car isn't worth close to what yours is:D

ps i don't like chips. Full aftermarket FTW

that is good, i only got around 1okw with cams outs an emanage....is an auto tho:doubt: Does full aftermarket ones still control cruise control, traction etc

Had an interesting conversation with Dave from RPW. Haltech are still waiting on a development car for their unit, which would be an interceptor, similiar to ChipTorque. They need a donor car in NSW, I assume Sydney. Anyone interested?

In the meantime, the Xede is the only unit available.

Well folks,

Back here again after another dyno session on Wednesday 24th.

First up, let me thank Sports for recommending the tuner to me :)

The aim of the session was to find out whether the AFRs from the Romanos printouts were bad (~ 10:1) or really bad (< 10), and whether it was worth exploring the interceptor option. Secondary was to find out what the 90mm US Galant intake was doing for the engine output.

The conditions were reasonably hot; 29C (inlet temp was 28C) and when I started, I had exactly the same setup as the previous dyno run at Romanos (posted in Dyno Charts). I have to state here that the measured output was nowhere near what was measured by Romanos, something Chisholm had warned about. Obviously there are differences in dynos and the Romanos runs were done in cooler weather (10C cooler). This dyno had been calibrated the previous week and seemed very conservative (my car was making slightly more power than a Corolla :sook: ). All the better, as far as I’m concerned.

The tuner did 15 runs to find out what the ECU was doing and to test various configurations including intakes. It was very comprehensive and nothing was left to chance; if a gain was made, it was rechecked again on another run. The car was allowed to cool at some stages but mostly the engine was under a reasonable amount of heat soak which means the gains were real and the minimum I could expect.

Firstly the AFRs were checked and in contrast to the HP output, Romanos were spot on, the AFR was 10:1 but didn’t go any lower. The tuner was able to artificially raise the AFR to 12 maximum and keep it there which realized a HP gain immediately.

Results (all results are AT THE WHEELS and repeatable on the day) :

1. AFRs held to 12:1 + 10 hp

Comment: Normally car would be expected to run 13.5:1 so another 5 hp would be expected if the AFRs could be elevated to that level (interceptor :P )

2. Remove plastic engine cover + 2 hp

Comment; This was a repeatable gain and is due to excessive temps around the fuel rail and cam covers held in by the cover. It was also achieved after the engine was heat soaked so it’s possible another 1 or 2 hp might be there if the cover had never been fitted.

3. 90mm inlet fitted + 13 hp

Comment: In context of the test, the most major gain! The power and torque graphs left the standard 68mm inlet in the dust in all parts of the rev range. Nothing more to say.

4. 90mm inlet and standard air filter removed + 4 hp

Comment: Gives an indication what effect a K&N filter would have as my tuner said, from previous experience, it would take away around 1 hp; so gain with the K&N would be ~ 3 hp expected.

So, with the 90mm intake fitted, K&N air filter, engine cover removed I can expect a total gain from my previous config of , say 18 hp.

With an interceptor fitted, I could expect a gain of 33 hp minimum with all mods.

On the day the car achieved +19 hp on the dyno with no airfilter and no AFRs adjusted.

If I proceed with an interceptor unit, I’m looking at 190 hp total ATW on this dyno.

(Don’t forget; no extractors; two cats on each exhaust manifold still there.)

Excellent results knotched. People here used to doubt intake modifications, usually stating Mitsubishi spent vast amounts of money, why would you change it.....more proof everything is designed to a budget and design brief that has to adhere to noise pollution laws etc. (not always optimum for power).

13HP is about 9kW, thats an awesome gain for just an intake modification pre-airbox. With the Magnas the average results I have seen are around the 6kW range for pre-air box modifications.

I'm getting a traveller just thinking about the potential! :bouncin: Great work Rich!

Something I didn't mention which is very important -

All these gains are in context of the exhaust mod to my car. The intake change, K&N etc will not have the same effect on a standard car.
Basically, the standard exhaust is like the 380 with constipation - get rid of the blockage folks :D and the other gains are there and real.

The other point is the one Phonic made.

Everything on the intake side of the 380 has been designed for noise suppression. The filter is a classic; much thicker than required to filter air because it's also designed as an acoustic dampener!

This means anything you touch on the intake side will result in hp gains.

Good Read there knotched.
In regards to Quote "Firstly the AFRs were checked and in contrast to the HP output, Romanos were spot on, the AFR was 10:1 but didn’t go any lower. The tuner was able to artificially raise the AFR to 12 maximum and keep it there which realized a HP gain immediately.

Results (all results are AT THE WHEELS and repeatable on the day) :

1. AFRs held to 12:1 + 10 hp"

What did he do to acheive this? Curious.

Dave
no travellers please. lol

Regards

What did he do to acheive this? Curious.

Regards

I'm not certain because I wasn't allowed to stay lol but I think he modified the fuel flow. Either that or he tricked the ECU through the connector. He said one way of increasing the AFRs is to use a fuel regulator; a cheap way out but any other mods requiring changes won't be accomodated.

So what was your dyno reading on this dyno?:)

I wouldn't have been happy about this "I'm not certain because I wasn't allowed to stay "
After all they are mucking around with your vehicle. Uncharted waters shall we say specific to the 380. Chances would be higher than normal of them breaking something and not telling the customer.
Anyway back on track looks like there are gains to be had.

Regards

I'm not certain because I wasn't allowed to stay lol
What kind of a shop is this??? I know they have health and safety reasons but thats bull****.

I'd tell the prick to STFU, let me have a look or take the car off the dyno and shove the ECU up your ass.

Well, I didn't have a problem with it. Firstly, Sports has had a lot of experience with this guy and look at the results Sports has achieved, secondly, he didn't know when he'd be finished and his shop is a shoebox.

What kind of a shop is this??? I know they have health and safety reasons but thats bull****.

I'd tell the prick to STFU, let me have a look or take the car off the dyno and shove the ECU up your ass.
hahaha you suck, i stayed... even helped cos i was desperate to get the bugger on the road

Well, I didn't have a problem with it. Firstly, Sports has had a lot of experience with this guy and look at the results Sports has achieved, secondly, he didn't know when he'd be finished and his shop is a shoebox.


Pretty much, he has a lot of people walking in off the street and phone calls and he always finds time to talk to them about there problems which means the job get pushed back 10 min at a time.

I wouldn't have been happy about this "I'm not certain because I wasn't allowed to stay "
After all they are mucking around with your vehicle. Uncharted waters shall we say specific to the 380. Chances would be higher than normal of them breaking something and not telling the customer.
Anyway back on track looks like there are gains to be had.

Regards

I agree but I suppose when you look at the bigger picture, the gains with these mods are now proven so thats the main thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGJaCc0gnUQ

Oh my god.....

Supercharged MIVEC - are you trying to tell me something...?

Was that 306 hp on the readout?

Crank trigger mapped today, one step closer to my piggyback computer! This thing already hauls ****, will be a real nice ride once the computer goes on!

Can't wait....

You're teasing us :sook: :swearing:

There was a stage 2 that was 332hpatw auto too.....

Can't wait....

You're teasing us :sook: :swearing:

Good things come to those who wait!!

Tell ya what my fuel economy is total crap, I can't keep my foot off the gas peddle. It just comes to life & screams like a banshee!

Good things come to those who wait!!

Tell ya what my fuel economy is total crap, I can't keep my foot off the gas peddle. It just comes to life & screams like a banshee!
When does it hit the dyno???? I seem to remember you saying it was going to be on Wednesday.....I've been away, have I missed it?

When does it hit the dyno???? I seem to remember you saying it was going to be on Wednesday.....I've been away, have I missed it?

Wednesday I had the crank trigger mapped coz it wasn't supported by the Unichip Q. They have emailed it to Melbourne to get the software written. Hopefully in a couple of weeks! Now won't that be a nice Christmas present!!

got a power figure yet foozrcool?

6. The initial version of the TMR 380 engine developed 270KW @ 8PSI and passed all Mitsu bishi's engineering and reliability testing. The boost was reduced to 6PSI and 245KW due a cautious approach adopted later in the project by MMC.

270 killer wasps?

"ouch!" cried the pistons

I think at that level the engine might not last very long on standard pistons

It would be a very white, clean tailpipe to get 270kw at 8 pounds.

I don't know,tbb. You could be right or not. I just related what I was told as information from the development of the TMR380. It may also have had more modifications/parts from the US Ralliart Galant - we'll never know.

Still. If you're chasing power and have enough money to supercharge, I think you'll have another grand or two to get some forged pistons.

270 killer wasps?

"ouch!" cried the pistons

I think at that level the engine might not last very long on standard pistons

It would be a very white, clean tailpipe to get 270kw at 8 pounds.

the internals would be fine at least short term. Timing would be retarded and fuel added. Which is where i believe the problems would start. Smooth idle and fuel consumption... But it'd haul ass

DOHC --> twin turbo conversions on 3000GT's; alot run around 10psi and thats on the same 10:1 ratio but with aged internals.

Well it would be obvious where my feelings are for using forged internals when boosting a N/A car

got a power figure yet foozrcool?

Not yet, will go on the dyno once I get this computer thing sorted.

I shat myself today, house broken into & they stole the 380. Got it back a couple of hours later in one piece & two guys will be going to jail. Even ended up with someone elses plasma screen in the back seat. All i could think was, **** I just did all these mods & I've lost it!!!

Not yet, will go on the dyno once I get this computer thing sorted.

I shat myself today, house broken into & they stole the 380. Got it back a couple of hours later in one piece & two guys will be going to jail. Even ended up with someone elses plasma screen in the back seat. All i could think was, **** I just did all these mods & I've lost it!!!

Holy Crap!

Keys were inside the house? Only way they could drive it out....

****, you were lucky, very lucky mate...

You'll have to tell us the full story.

Results (all results are AT THE WHEELS and repeatable on the day) :

1. AFRs held to 12:1 + 10 hp

Comment: Normally car would be expected to run 13.5:1 so another 5 hp would be expected if the AFRs could be elevated to that level (interceptor :P )


Okay - I'd just like to say, I know I'm like a month behind, but it's the first time I've read this thread. I was also wondering what they did to correct the AFR, but I'm aware that you "weren't allowed in" or whatever, but did you ask them how they achieved this??

"Secret Squirrel Business" really pisses me off, if you're paying someone to work on your car they should disclose all the details of what they have done to it if you ask.

Anyway - thats my rant, other than that - keep up the good work mate!!!

sif steal a 380 :P vn's must be hard to find in ur area ;)

"Secret Squirrel Business" really pisses me off, if you're paying someone to work on your car they should disclose all the details of what they have done to it if you ask.

Anyway - thats my rant, other than that - keep up the good work mate!!!

Look, seriously it's been blown out of proportion a bit. I'm sure if I'd really insisted I could have stayed but I didn't because I had my fiancee and 2 yo with me and we went up to Bribie Isl where, incidentally, we found a house and are now moving to Monday week lol .

He did tell me how he did boost the AFR; but I can't really remember. I know the AFR drops immediately it gets hot i.e. over about 20C so most of the time its running 10:1. So I think he just tricked the ECU into believing it was less than that via a sender. He also said a cheap option was to install a fuel regulator that would modify pressure and lean it out. Not a good option as afar as I'm concerned.

Thanks for the encouragement but I think Foozrcool has far outstripped me at this point; good on him!
As long as he can keep his car from the crooks...!

I shat myself today, house broken into & they stole the 380. Got it back a couple of hours later in one piece & two guys will be going to jail. Even ended up with someone elses plasma screen in the back seat. All i could think was, **** I just did all these mods & I've lost it!!!
Hey, sorry to hear the bad news. Of course its great that you got it back okay, but I know you'll never forget the experience. I had a VL stolen many years back, and its not a pleasant experience (plus I did not get it back).
Good luck with your mods. I hope this episode has not changed your mind.

Still on track for the computer. I drive a Pajero for work so 380 was in the garage at home. The alarm went off so they took nothing except all my keys so at the moment I still don't have the spares for the Pajero or 380 so may have to get them all redone on insurance if they don't turn up.

I was home within a half an hour of the break in & saw my car on the side of the road surrounded by cop cars. They had 10 cars full of cops & the dog squad chasing these guys through some bushland. They caught both in the end & there was a heap of stolen stuff in the back of the 380.

I noticed the car was in tiptronic when I picked it up so they probably had a good ride. Dunno if they had ever driven/stolen a 380 before but I bet they got a surprise!!!

Damn thats lucky....
Bloody thieves....:rant:

I noticed the car was in tiptronic when I picked it up so they probably had a good ride. Dunno if they had ever driven/stolen a 380 before but I bet they got a surprise!!!

Actually, it's probably a damn good thing you have the tippy, because if it had been manual they could have done some serious damage to the car.
There's not much you can do to the auto that's going to hurt the drivetrain or engine.

That's a story with a good outcome for you (if it had to happen at all).

It's made me think about where I store my keys as well.

It's made me think about where I store my keys as well.
That was going through my mind too, today. Although my car isn't worth stealing, I also have 2 cars and leave the 380 at home most of the time.
My keys were always on a foyer table before, but I've hidden them now.

Thanks MMAL for rev limiters:hand:

That was going through my mind too, today. Although my car isn't worth stealing, I also have 2 cars and leave the 380 at home most of the time.
My keys were always on a foyer table before, but I've hidden them now.

Yep does make you think, I was out all last night in the 380 so hid the Pajero keys & locked it. Well the guys that broke in made the paper today, both will be in court tomorrow on about 20 counts of B&E. Don't think they'll be coming back in a hurry!!

Actually, it's probably a damn good thing you have the tippy, because if it had been manual they could have done some serious damage to the car.

Not a hope in hell of hurting a manual with possibly the most conservative calibration of a rev limiter i have ever encountered. It starts at 5500 in first to slow the rev rate down to its actual limit or 6200. From second gear onwards it just uses the regular limiter... Talk about wrapping the drivetrain in cotton wool...

did you geto keep the tolen items, just for your trouble?


i would have told the cops yeah i remember now that was my plasma in the back seat.... :P

Not a hope in hell of hurting a manual with possibly the most conservative calibration of a rev limiter i have ever encountered. It starts at 5500 in first to slow the rev rate down to its actual limit or 6200. From second gear onwards it just uses the regular limiter... Talk about wrapping the drivetrain in cotton wool...

Ahah!

So that's the mysterious rev restriction you were gettting...

Not a hope in hell of hurting a manual with possibly the most conservative calibration of a rev limiter i have ever encountered. It starts at 5500 in first to slow the rev rate down to its actual limit or 6200. From second gear onwards it just uses the regular limiter... Talk about wrapping the drivetrain in cotton wool...
A rev limiter only works on upshifts tho and won't work on downshifts. So someone could be doing 100km/h then try and jam it into first causing a massive compression lockup and possibly doing nasty damage to the gearbox/driveline.

did you geto keep the tolen items, just for your trouble?


i would have told the cops yeah i remember now that was my plasma in the back seat.... :P

Nah detectives already had the owner worked out.

A rev limiter only works on upshifts tho and won't work on downshifts. So someone could be doing 100km/h then try and jam it into first causing a massive compression lockup and possibly doing nasty damage to the gearbox/driveline.

Nah - I'm sure that the manual book states that the engine's protected from the downshift too. I recall having a couple of times where the system refused to let me downshift because I was too fast.

Slightly off topic - saw in the ads today that the series 3 now has a platinum edition out. Claims to have a sport exhaust - I wonder if it's the same as my series 2. By "sport" I'm assuming they're simply referring to the large chrome tip and not actually a straight through, with the same pipe diameter at the inlet as per the standard model.

Either way, I'm considering changing the exhaust to a Varex remote controlled one - just trying to justify the cost and wondering whether having them hard wire the electronics to the car will void warranty.

Slightly off topic - saw in the ads today that the series 3 now has a platinum edition out. Claims to have a sport exhaust - I wonder if it's the same as my series 2. By "sport" I'm assuming they're simply referring to the large chrome tip and not actually a straight through, with the same pipe diameter at the inlet as per the standard model.

I seem to remember this being mentioned in a previous thread......yeah, the sports exhaust they are referring to is a chrome tip.


Either way, I'm considering changing the exhaust to a Varex remote controlled one - just trying to justify the cost and wondering whether having them hard wire the electronics to the car will void warranty.

Not sure if this is a typo (or a joke) - what the hells a remote control exhaust????

Not sure if this is a typo (or a joke) - what the hells a remote control exhaust????
No joke! It's a straight thru muffler with a butterfly valve which allows you to redirect the flow to internal chambers when you require the sound to be more .. muffled. It's not a new idea, but the varex is the only one I know of which allows you to regulate the airflow on the fly using a remote control. Allows you to sound like a monster on the highways and then switch to a sweet quiet angel when in built up residential areas or when the cops come looking for you. No need to get out of the car - valve fully opens and closes in about 2 secs (or so they say).

http://xforce.com.au.tmp.anchor.net.au/cars/view_car/29

No joke! It's a straight thru muffler with a butterfly valve which allows you to redirect the flow to internal chambers when you require the sound to be more .. muffled. It's not a new idea, but the varex is the only one I know of which allows you to regulate the airflow on the fly using a remote control. Allows you to sound like a monster on the highways and then switch to a sweet quiet angel when in built up residential areas or when the cops come looking for you. No need to get out of the car - valve fully opens and closes in about 2 secs (or so they say).

http://xforce.com.au.tmp.anchor.net.au/cars/view_car/29

Thats interesting, I've never heard of one before. I realise its off topic, but what sort of money are you looking at to get one installed?

There's a video at the end of the linked page. I believe that it was somewhere around the $500 (discounted) - as I said, I'm finding it hard to justify when everyone else in the forum's had their mufflers installed for much less than that. Definitely a next year job, given my budget blowouts from giving multiple relatives christmas presents.

That type of muffler is what ferrari use

Pretty much every supercar uses a valve like that in which it opens above a certain rev limit (3500rpm usually), but it certainly isn't remote controlled, its computer adjusted.

Met up with Knotched earlier this week to compare cars. Very interesting, we both agreed that I had more mid range but he had more top end. Both our cars obviously running rich with the black soot in the pipes so will be interesting to see what happens once the computer goes on & the AFR's are where they are supposed to be & the timing cranked for the 98 octane.

I would like to be there next time you guys get together, I would like to see the improvements you've made. Also my 380 may be a help to you guys to measure improvements against, I wont get extractors, chip, or further exhaust mods. And a Xmas beer wouldn't go astray either.

No joke! It's a straight thru muffler with a butterfly valve which allows you to redirect the flow to internal chambers when you require the sound to be more .. muffled. It's not a new idea, but the varex is the only one I know of which allows you to regulate the airflow on the fly using a remote control. Allows you to sound like a monster on the highways and then switch to a sweet quiet angel when in built up residential areas or when the cops come looking for you. No need to get out of the car - valve fully opens and closes in about 2 secs (or so they say).

http://xforce.com.au.tmp.anchor.net.au/cars/view_car/29
I know what i want for Christmas... anyone gonna buy one for me??

Emailed to see if it can be used to replace the stock centre muffler for my XR

I would like to be there next time you guys get together, I would like to see the improvements you've made. Also my 380 may be a help to you guys to measure improvements against, I wont get extractors, chip, or further exhaust mods. And a Xmas beer wouldn't go astray either.

Well, how bout a beer or two on Bribie Isl after Rob gets his interceptor....

I'm moving in on Monday.

Well, how bout a beer or two on Bribie Isl after Rob gets his interceptor....

I'm moving in on Monday.

I'll drink to that!!!

Beer is good, Need to visit as well as still have no mods but the muffler is a sure thing sooooon. Count me in guys and hopr it wont clash with other things around this time.
Scott

Beer is good, Need to visit as well as still have no mods but the muffler is a sure thing sooooon. Count me in guys and hopr it wont clash with other things around this time.
Scott

Sounds like we are all gonna get smashed & won't be in a fit state to check out the cars! Turning into a beerfest!!

Any updates?

Have u got it booked in yet?

Christmas is nearly here :tantrum:

:( :(
Any updates?

Have u got it booked in yet?

Christmas is nearly here :tantrum:

Haven't heard back yet, but also been too busy to follow up. Will probably be in the New Year now, even if it was ready I wouldn't have time next week to take it in. :( Bah Humbug .... Christmas is always stupidly busy!

Hey guys just a quick question (obviously to do with the search for tuning) i've just moved up to sydney to holsworthy (or liverpool :( ) and i'm looking to get my car modded some more with extractors and probably chipped....what can i say the army gives me money to burn :P.
Anyway was wondering if any of you sydney boys had any suggestions for where to go to get this work, i wasnt to avoid anywhere dodgy as i'd like to keep the warranty going fore as long as possible.
Any answers would be aprreciated....also as an aside does anyone know of any sydney meets going on in the near future would like to get to know some of the guys up here and see thier cars.
Cheers

Not too many people have done the extractors yet, though Foozrcool definately has.
The rest of us have changed the rear muffler. Plenty of mods to be found here.
Agreed a meet would be good, but we are all so far apart.

Hey guys just a quick question (obviously to do with the search for tuning) i've just moved up to sydney to holsworthy (or liverpool :( ) and i'm looking to get my car modded some more with extractors and probably chipped....what can i say the army gives me money to burn :P.
Anyway was wondering if any of you sydney boys had any suggestions for where to go to get this work, i wasnt to avoid anywhere dodgy as i'd like to keep the warranty going fore as long as possible.
Any answers would be aprreciated....also as an aside does anyone know of any sydney meets going on in the near future would like to get to know some of the guys up here and see thier cars.
Cheers

Liverpool exhausts make the only extractors for 380's

Your work and results is making for some interesting reading, keep it up Knotched :thumbsup:

Liverpool exhausts make the only extractors for 380's


called them the other day and after trying to convince me to buy new cats (yeah like hell) i was quoted $1600 thats for extractors, 2.5 all the way through and a new metal high flow cat.

dont think i'll be taking them up on that deal the extractors alone were something like $900....

You realise that the 380 exhaust system has 3 cats? 1 on each header pipe, and 1 in the normal location. Perhaps that's why your quote was so high.
Knotched has taken the 3rd (normal location) cat off his system, and found some gains I believe, but it also messed (albeit temporarily) with the car's computer system, or something.
As for the headers, I'm sure there would be some gains there, but is it worth that quoted cost? But if you have money to burn, go for it - and get the twin system!
PS I have heard from a few people that Liverpool Exhaust has a bad reputation these days (ie not as good as previous original owners), though I have been there before with no probs. Anyone else heard about that?

called them the other day and after trying to convince me to buy new cats (yeah like hell) i was quoted $1600 thats for extractors, 2.5 all the way through and a new metal high flow cat.

dont think i'll be taking them up on that deal the extractors alone were something like $900....

I got my extractors through RPW & they alone were around $600 + delivery + fitting + relocate the O2 sensors.

I got my extractors through RPW & they alone were around $600 + delivery + fitting + relocate the O2 sensors.
How much did the fitting etc cost? cause if its roughly the same as liverpool quoted them ill go through them instead.

How much did the fitting etc cost? cause if its roughly the same as liverpool quoted them ill go through them instead.

Can't really tell you exactly, it was the tail end of an on going contra deal with my mechanic. I would have to say though it would've had to be cheaper than the Liverpool exhaust quote .... $900 just for the extractors + fitting?

Hey guys just a quick question (obviously to do with the search for tuning) i've just moved up to sydney to holsworthy (or liverpool :( ) and i'm looking to get my car modded some more with extractors and probably chipped....what can i say the army gives me money to burn :P.
Anyway was wondering if any of you sydney boys had any suggestions for where to go to get this work, i wasnt to avoid anywhere dodgy as i'd like to keep the warranty going fore as long as possible.
Any answers would be aprreciated....also as an aside does anyone know of any sydney meets going on in the near future would like to get to know some of the guys up here and see thier cars.
Cheers
hit up silverwater automotive services on silverwater road. They'll do you a Chiptorque XCEDE for around the 1600-1700 mark driveaway. It has been explained to me its probably the closest to a complete stand alone ecu u can get in a piggyback. Just give them a call they're great guys down there.

If you want to come to a sydney meet, just keep an eye on the nsw thread for up and coming events

I have some questions re tuning:
1) How do I go about getting the AFR checked for my car (can any mechanic do it)?
2) Can the AFR be changed without getting some sought of performance chip?
3) If it can be altered without a chip, would the vehicles computer revert back to the factory setting after a period of time?

Thanks

Any updates?

Have u got it booked in yet?

Christmas is nearly here :tantrum:

Rang CNJ today, they are still closed until next week ...... hmmmm no computer yet then.

Rang CNJ today, they are still closed until next week ...... hmmmm no computer yet then.

Having the same trouble with an engineer I need to do an appraisal (house project).

Been thinking about the Excede but I'll wait until yours is done.

Blue 380;

AFAIK the only reliable way to change AFRs is through an interceptor. One tuner who dynoed my car said I could change the ratio to a small degree by fitting a fuel regulator but this seems a half-****d solution to me and couldn't be relied upon to cope with other changes (temp, fuel type, further mods etc).

Having the same trouble with an engineer I need to do an appraisal (house project).

Been thinking about the Excede but I'll wait until yours is done.

I'll be on the blower first thing next week. You know I reckon my fuel economy has got worse recently around town, still impressive figures on the highway. Can't wait to get the computer & get these AFRs sorted properly!

Another update on the computer. Contacted CNJ & they say they had a reply from the manufacturer Dastek in South Africa & it is the same as the new Pajero Mivec 3.8 which they have done. He has the info & I forwarded the pinout diagram & just waiting for him to give me the nod to book it in.

Another update on the computer. Contacted CNJ & they say they had a reply from the manufacturer Dastek in South Africa & it is the same as the new Pajero Mivec 3.8 which they have done. He has the info & I forwarded the pinout diagram & just waiting for him to give me the nod to book it in.
Thats good news...I'm sure most of us are very keen to get your thoughts after fitting/tune. Are you game to have a guess at what sought of power it will be putting out?

Folks,

I have been in contact with ChipTorque for awhile and am negotiating a deal with them ATM. If it comes off I'll be posting pics and results of an Xede interceptor install and tune.

I'm pursuing this because I think it's worthwhile trying the Xede as it was the first product available for the 380 and the company did research on the car a few months after it was released. RPW's endorsement of the product also goes a long way as well.

If Foozrcool's chip and tune goes ahead then there'll be two products available to us.

Thats good news...I'm sure most of us are very keen to get your thoughts after fitting/tune. Are you game to have a guess at what sought of power it will be putting out?
Not sure about the power but I'm sure it will be a nice drive once it's all sorted.

Folks,

I have been in contact with ChipTorque for awhile and am negotiating a deal with them ATM. If it comes off I'll be posting pics and results of an Xede interceptor install and tune.

I'm pursuing this because I think it's worthwhile trying the Xede as it was the first product available for the 380 and the company did research on the car a few months after it was released. RPW's endorsement of the product also goes a long way as well.

If Foozrcool's chip and tune goes ahead then there'll be two products available to us.
Will be interesting to see how it goes, I just like the unichip coz I've used them before plus they are in Bris which is easier to go back for a tweak if required. RPW had said to me a few times they were really supporting the Haltech, funny now they have changed their tune. They're a funny bunch over there, they have mucked me around a lot with the extractors etc, I tend not to take anything they say as gospel after my dealings.

Folks,

I have been in contact with ChipTorque for awhile and am negotiating a deal with them ATM. If it comes off I'll be posting pics and results of an Xede interceptor install and tune.

I'm pursuing this because I think it's worthwhile trying the Xede as it was the first product available for the 380 and the company did research on the car a few months after it was released. RPW's endorsement of the product also goes a long way as well.

If Foozrcool's chip and tune goes ahead then there'll be two products available to us.
thats the same chip that has been recommended to me by my tuner. They said its the closest u can get to a stand alone ecu in a piggyback. If my SMT6 doesn't do what i want it to do, the Xede will be going in my car

thats the same chip that has been recommended to me by my tuner. They said its the closest u can get to a stand alone ecu in a piggyback. If my SMT6 doesn't do what i want it to do, the Xede will be going in my car

what about a N/A 3rd gen with DOHC heads?

what about a N/A 3rd gen with DOHC heads?
dude for your car, i would get nothing but a stand alone ecu, seeing your engine doesnt really exist unless u have an ecu to plugs into a DOHC 3.5 litre

Well the Deal has been done and it's booked.

I will be getting the car fitted and tuned on 11/12 Feb. They want 2 days to ensure it all works OK, because the tiptronic model is different to the manual cars they have fitted before.
I'm also getting the dual map option so that a switch on the dash (somewhere, yet to be determined) can change the performance from 98RON, aggressive timing/lean AFR, to 91RON, richer AFR. The latter I'll use for towing, ethanol mixes etc.

Will update after the tune and post dyno results.

Looking forward to that, I should be on LPG by then:bowrofl:

Well the Deal has been done and it's booked.

I will be getting the car fitted and tuned on 11/12 Feb. They want 2 days to ensure it all works OK, because the tiptronic model is different to the manual cars they have fitted before.
I'm also getting the dual map option so that a switch on the dash (somewhere, yet to be determined) can change the performance from 98RON, aggressive timing/lean AFR, to 91RON, richer AFR. The latter I'll use for towing, ethanol mixes etc.

Will update after the tune and post dyno results.


Where is it getting done?

Well the Deal has been done and it's booked.

Cool, I haven't booked mine for the Unichip yet as I have been away but will be interesting to see & compare the before & after dyno readings for both our cars.

Where is it getting done?

At their site in Nerang, Gold Coast.

Well finally I have booked my VRX in for the Unichip Q on the 18th Feb. CNJ are confident it can be done in a day as they say it is the same setup as the Mivec 3.8 Pajero in the USA.
I rang RPW today too to see if I could bung a intake manifold on too before the chip but they say they aren't doing to do them now since the 380 hasn't been accepted as a performance car.....what the. I guess since the 380 is dead there won't be anymore development of performance parts?

Well finally I have booked my VRX in for the Unichip Q on the 18th Feb. CNJ are confident it can be done in a day as they say it is the same setup as the Mivec 3.8 Pajero in the USA.
I rang RPW today too to see if I could bung a intake manifold on too before the chip but they say they aren't doing to do them now since the 380 hasn't been accepted as a performance car.....what the. I guess since the 380 is dead there won't be anymore development of performance parts?

screw rpw and their lack of support

ez is your man, if he cant do it no one can!

screw rpw and their lack of support

ez is your man, if he cant do it no one can!
As far as I read EZ aint doing manifolds atm for personal reasons, thats why I tried RPW & besides was hoping to get one straight away before the chip went on.

That's great, Rob.

When it's done we'll have to meet up again as per the original plan.

Bad news about RPW. But we'll get around it. Custom jobs or shopping in the States :) . There's still a pair of Mivec heads that look interesting...:badgrin:

That's great, Rob.

When it's done we'll have to meet up again as per the original plan.

Bad news about RPW. But we'll get around it. Custom jobs or shopping in the States :) . There's still a pair of Mivec heads that look interesting...:badgrin:
Yep sounds like a plan get those belated xmas drinks happening. It will be interesting to see both the dyno charts, theoreticly there should be similar increases from the chip if they know what they're doing, but maybe varying amounts at different revs as the tune brings out the full potential of our mods so far.

Yep sounds like a plan get those belated xmas drinks happening. It will be interesting to see both the dyno charts, theoreticly there should be similar increases from the chip if they know what they're doing, but maybe varying amounts at different revs as the tune brings out the full potential of our mods so far.

We'll have to race each other down the 1/4 at Willowbank :P

We'll have to race each other down the 1/4 at Willowbank :P
Can you get someone to video it and post it on YouTube for the rest of us to see?

We'll have to race each other down the 1/4 at Willowbank :P
Could be on the cards, well at least in the next couple of weeks we will all know the potential of the 380!

Not racin, I should be on LPG by then

Well the Deal has been done and it's booked.

I will be getting the car fitted and tuned on 11/12 Feb. They want 2 days to ensure it all works OK, because the tiptronic model is different to the manual cars they have fitted before.
I'm also getting the dual map option so that a switch on the dash (somewhere, yet to be determined) can change the performance from 98RON, aggressive timing/lean AFR, to 91RON, richer AFR. The latter I'll use for towing, ethanol mixes etc.

Will update after the tune and post dyno results.
Mate what's going on with the Xede? Thought you may have dyno charts posted all over this forum telling us how good your tune is. Can't wait to hear how it went & what a lovely thing to do for the love of your life (380) for Valentines day tomorrow! lol

lol

Ha ha... I'm getting married in June - but not to my car!

Will be posted shortly ;)

lol

Ha ha... I'm getting married in June - but not to my car!


Wait till you get the Mitsubishi 'Dear John' Letter

Wait till you get the Mitsubishi 'Dear John' Letter
:confused: WTF does that mean? Im lost...

OK. Charts are up. Was hoping for a neat 200hp; nearly got there :badgrin: Temps were very high - 37C for the inlet temp which is the highest it's ever been dynoed under, but makes for a safe tune, I spose.
AFRs were raised to 12:1 - any higher and the knock sensor cut in and momentarily retarded the engine. Not want you want to regularly occur. So I have to be satisfied with that.

Chip Torque were quite impressed based on the manual they tested was 12 KW down on my car and was fitted with extractors.

My impressions?
Engine seems a lot smoother and quite effortless. I can feel the extra advance down low. Fourth gear is really good now and the torque in this gear is quite noticeable whereas in the past I thought it was quite useless; i.e. fifth for cruising and third for very quick acceleration on the hwy.

Other than that, I'll let you know in a day or two as the drive home was wet and had heavy traffic.

My impressions?
Engine seems a lot smoother and quite effortless. I can feel the extra advance down low. Fourth gear is really good now and the torque in this gear is quite noticeable whereas in the past I thought it was quite useless; i.e. fifth for cruising and third for very quick acceleration on the hwy.
From what you say it sounds like any other car I have had the chip done on. Sometimes the dyno figures don't say a lot but seat of the pants is a huge difference. Look forward to your further impressions & my own chip going on next Monday!:D

From what you say it sounds like any other car I have had the chip done on. Sometimes the dyno figures don't say a lot but seat of the pants is a huge difference. Look forward to your further impressions & my own chip going on next Monday!:D

Looking forward to that, myself. Particularly with your extractors. We'll have to take into account the different dyno and conditions tho.

I think I was a bit unlucky with the ambient temps and the barometric pressure yesterday (below 1000mb) as they conspired against the car to put down on the graph what it would really do under normal or less harsh temps.
My very first dyno was 136.6 KW but this was with an ambient air temp of 18C and inlet temp was 21C.
With the extra that has been done to it I don't think yesterday's printout really reflects what power is available at say 27C which is about average here in QLD. Also the higher temp influenced Chip Torque to keep the AFR lower because of the knock sensor intervening.
On the other hand I know the car can run what was measured yesterday in very high heat conditions so that's a good thing. It means on a hot day the car won't feel like a slug and in cold weather I will feel the difference in extra power.

In the end tho I'm not disappointed with around 200hp ATW for basically a small outlay in exhaust and inlet.

Looking forward to that, myself. Particularly with your extractors. We'll have to take into account the different dyno and conditions tho.

I think I was a bit unlucky with the ambient temps and the barometric pressure yesterday (below 1000mb) as they conspired against the car to put down on the graph what it would really do under normal or less harsh temps.
My very first dyno was 136.6 KW but this was with an ambient air temp of 18C and inlet temp was 21C.
With the extra that has been done to it I don't think yesterday's printout really reflects what power is available at say 27C which is about average here in QLD. Also the higher temp influenced Chip Torque to keep the AFR lower because of the knock sensor intervening.
On the other hand I know the car can run what was measured yesterday in very high heat conditions so that's a good thing. It means on a hot day the car won't feel like a slug and in cold weather I will feel the difference in extra power.

In the end tho I'm not disappointed with around 200hp ATW for basically a small outlay in exhaust and inlet.
I was just looking at the weather for next week & more of the same at around 28 so maybe good conditions for my tune. I think I mentioned when we met up about my Pajero that was tuned in winter, I did have a small problem with pinging in the warmer months so as you say better to have a safe tune.
I was looking at those phenolic insulator gaskets that RPW have, small outlay if they keep the temps down as much as they say in the intake manifold. Might be worth looking into?

Hey Knotched, just out of curiosity, how much all together did all of your mods set you back?

Hey Knotched, just out of curiosity, how much all together did all of your mods set you back?

Well, it goes like this;

Exhaust (2.5" system from headers + straight through muffler) $380
90 mm snorkel + airbox (not required) + freight from US $149
K&N filter (Blue 380 Parts discounts :) ) $100
Exede (negotiated special price and am unable to disclose this, but others can negotiate their own deal as well) > 1000

So for about 1650 I'm pushing out 200hp, but if people retain their third cat, which I didn't, I don't think the processor would be necessary.

That brings it back to $650 for approx 180-185hp ATW for an auto.

Something to think about for 3rd Geners who like to keep an auto.

Is it my imagination, but driving around today I turned off the traction control & the car seemed to pull harder, has anyone else experienced this? Maybe with the extra output the TCL is holding the motor back?

Well, encountered a few little problems today :(

Yesterday the car ran great when temp was around 25C and today I went to work at 5am and all was still good.

Started the car today in the carpark after it had been in the sun all day and 30C and it was sluggish on light throttle and surging.
Once on the highway I switched to the Hi Po map (sounds good doesn't it :bowrofl: ) and car was OK. Got to shopping centre after 45 mins on hwy and car sat in carpark for 15 mins, getting very heat soaked. Started it in Lo map (better fuel economy) and extremely sluggish and under heavy throttle it accelerated in large surges until it got to hi revs where it was OK.

Got home and rang Chip Torque and found that the Lo map was configured quite lean low down, so looks like the knock sensor is pulling all the advance out of the engine when it's very hot because it's too lean.
On the drive home the Hi Po setting was better, prob because it wasn't leaned out as much. Full acceleration was still available so top end AFR is OK. Incidentally, after driving around in traffic with heavy throttle and surging, I checked the fuel econ at home and it registered 9L/100 :shock: Another indicator that it is leaning out perhaps.
Will be getting a revised map from Chip Torque shortly.

So the development hasn't stopped yet.

Don’t know who here is up with the differences in the series 3 / 380,s …. But I can tell you there’s a difference between the series 3 models in exhaust systems …. The vrx ive had on loan had far more growl then the sx model …. I know that don’t mean much in the real world …. But usually it equals less restrictive

Stick a wire up the tailpipe and see if it's a straight thru. I doubt it.

I would be really, really worried about the car running lean... Thats what destroys an engine. But 197 hp is a bloody good effort Rich. Now all you have to do is crack the 200! :bowrofl:

I would be really, really worried about the car running lean... Thats what destroys an engine. But 197 hp is a bloody good effort Rich. Now all you have to do is crack the 200! :bowrofl:

I've talked to Chip Torque yesterday about it and the ECU is protecting the engine by retarding the timing, which is why it is intermittently surging.

The ECU is apparently reasonably sophisticated (no cost cutting there :thumbsup:) and will only momentarily retard the timing to stop detonation rathar than completely retarding ignition right through acceleration which is what some other cars do. This results in a series of surges - like riding a horse! - as the car accelerates.

This so far seems to be only on the Lo map, which was tuned for max fuel economy, and the Hi map seems to be OK. In fact this morning when I got it out of the garage, it drove very poorly on the Lo map, but as soon as I switched to the Hi map it ran normally.

Fuel economy hasn't shifted from 9L/100km despite some pretty serious acceleration runs in third.
It'll be interesting to see what economy I can get out of it.

Re the 200hp; I reckon it would already be there below 30C; Chip Torque confirmed the same.

The ECU is apparently reasonably sophisticated (no cost cutting there :thumbsup:) and will only momentarily retard the timing to stop detonation rathar than completely retarding ignition right through acceleration which is what some other cars do. This results in a series of surges - like riding a horse! - as the car accelerates.
sounds like the exact same problem im having with my car, which will be sorted when i get my chiptorque installed. flat out is fine, but its at low to medium throttle settings that its "surging"

Jase,

Do you have a knock sensor as part of your mods with the S/C install?

Well, encountered a few little problems today :(

Yesterday the car ran great when temp was around 25C and today I went to work at 5am and all was still good.

Started the car today in the carpark after it had been in the sun all day and 30C and it was sluggish on light throttle and surging.
Once on the highway I switched to the Hi Po map (sounds good doesn't it :bowrofl: ) and car was OK. Got to shopping centre after 45 mins on hwy and car sat in carpark for 15 mins, getting very heat soaked. Started it in Lo map (better fuel economy) and extremely sluggish and under heavy throttle it accelerated in large surges until it got to hi revs where it was OK.

Got home and rang Chip Torque and found that the Lo map was configured quite lean low down, so looks like the knock sensor is pulling all the advance out of the engine when it's very hot because it's too lean.
On the drive home the Hi Po setting was better, prob because it wasn't leaned out as much. Full acceleration was still available so top end AFR is OK. Incidentally, after driving around in traffic with heavy throttle and surging, I checked the fuel econ at home and it registered 9L/100 :shock: Another indicator that it is leaning out perhaps.
Will be getting a revised map from Chip Torque shortly.

So the development hasn't stopped yet.
That's a pain in the ****, another drive down the coast. You would think if they had it for two days they would have checked all those aspects. Sure as hell hope I don't have to keep going back too after Monday!
Thinking back to my pajero I had a problem with occassionally stalling at lights which I had to take back to get adjusted too.

Jase,

Do you have a knock sensor as part of your mods with the S/C install?
i dunno, its probably got more to do with the gheyness ecu thats in there atm

That's a pain in the ****, another drive down the coast. You would think if they had it for two days they would have checked all those aspects. Sure as hell hope I don't have to keep going back too after Monday!


Nah, it'll be okay. I'll get an update via a Chip Torque agent here at the airport. They'll meet me in the work carpark and we'll download another bootleg version into the Exede ;)

I just have to give Lachlan (Chip Torque tuner) some good, explicit feedback and he'll be able to fine tune it.

Feedback so far on my car so far is that it's puting out 145kw at the wheels before the computer has gone on.

They are having probs winding the timing curve up as the CEL comes on & indicates misfire so they are talking to Melbourne at the moment. I told them they can have the car for however long they need it.

Feedback so far on my car so far is that it's puting out 145kw at the wheels before the computer has gone on.

They are having probs winding the timing curve up as the CEL comes on & indicates misfire so they are talking to Melbourne at the moment. I told them they can have the car for however long they need it.
You must be happy with that as a pre-chip figure!! Are you getting it done on the same dyno as Knotched????

Feedback so far on my car so far is that it's puting out 145kw at the wheels before the computer has gone on.

That's great Rob!

For me, Chip Torque said they couldn't get much more out of the tune because the ECU was already well set up. So the only extra power available was raising the AFR. I'm not sure they got more advance out of it.
I'm talking with them today so I'll ask.

You must be happy with that as a pre-chip figure!! Are you getting it done on the same dyno as Knotched????
Different dyno but same make & they are setting it up identical to Knotched as I took a copy of his charts with me so we can get a direct comparison.

That's great Rob!

For me, Chip Torque said they couldn't get much more out of the tune because the ECU was already well set up. So the only extra power available was raising the AFR. I'm not sure they got more advance out of it.
I'm talking with them today so I'll ask.
They told me my AFR was 11.5 & if they could sort the timing problem they will aim for 13.

Just had a call from CNJ, they have solved the problem & it is ready to be picked up. They will do a cold start check in the morning & it is peaking at 163kw ATW. He said "it goes like a shower of s**t"! The power curve is quite extended apparantly.

Using the 3/4 rule that would equate to 290HP at the flywheel. Not quite my 300 I was hoping for but sounds awesome, can't wait to pick it up!

thats a massive gain! top stuff!

Just had a call from CNJ, they have solved the problem & it is ready to be picked up. They will do a cold start check in the morning & it is peaking at 163kw ATW. He said "it goes like a shower of s**t"! The power curve is quite extended apparantly.


:shock: :shock: :shock:

Wow!

so when you taking this thing to the drags to really see how much of a gain has been made?

so when you taking this thing to the drags to really see how much of a gain has been made?
The drags will be all the way from Springwood to home tomorrow :bowrofl:

CNJ just called the cold start test this morning was fine so it's all ready to go. When I asked so it's all good then? He said yep except for the wheelspin! The traction control is having problems keeping up.

sweet dude i know it's prob all listed in the thread somewhere but i'm lazy and can't be bothered looking, but could you list all the mods you've had done and an approx price for it all, i'm interested in doing much the same thing to my car.

Nah, it'll be okay. I'll get an update via a Chip Torque agent here at the airport. They'll meet me in the work carpark and we'll download another bootleg version into the Exede ;)

I just have to give Lachlan (Chip Torque tuner) some good, explicit feedback and he'll be able to fine tune it.
Knotched: Did you get yours soughted out???
Foozrcool: Whats yours like to drive???

Update, Update, Update......

Knotched: Did you get yours soughted out???


No.

Maybe tomorrow.

sweet dude i know it's prob all listed in the thread somewhere but i'm lazy and can't be bothered looking, but could you list all the mods you've had done and an approx price for it all, i'm interested in doing much the same thing to my car.
RPW Extractors
Custom twin exhaust
RPW 70mm throttle body
Galant 90mm intake
K&N panel filter
Unichip Q computer

I'd say roughly all installed would have been about $3k.

Foozrcool: Whats yours like to drive???
I only just got it home & there was a lot of traffic & wet roads so I couldn't really give it a flogging but it is very willing to go & can easily spin the wheels even with TCL. Will have a bit of a test over the next few days, hopefully the rain goes away.

Knotched and Foozrcool... You need to run your cars down the 1/4 mile! I am dead set interested in seeing what you both run. Pretty please??? :D

Knotched and Foozrcool... You need to run your cars down the 1/4 mile! I am dead set interested in seeing what you both run. Pretty please??? :D
Good things come to those who wait! :D

Good things come to those who wait! :D
:cry: But i'm so impatient... :rant:

:cry: But i'm so impatient... :rant:
Just as well then, I haven't even had a decent drive in it yet. Was thinking of going out tonight but it's still a bit wet out there.:disgusted

And I've got a very neurotic throttle ATM, sometimes it says "when I'm ready...:snooty:" and other times it wants to break my neck :nuts:

It'll just leave me waiting on the start line like a spurned woman...

And I've got a very neurotic throttle ATM, sometimes it says "when I'm ready...:snooty:" and other times it wants to break my neck :nuts:

It'll just leave me waiting on the start line like a spurned woman...
Maybe CNJ might give you some inspiration tomorrow?:doh:

Spent 3 1/2 hours back at Chip Torque yesterday getting my problems sorted. It was a wiring error that they believed is now fixed. Also sent them the pin out diagrams for the 380.

As an R&D mule for Chip Torque I can't complain and the car is now back up to 101% (I gained an extra KW :) )
It's so good to have the car with it's full advance down low, wheelspin is just a toe squeeze away lol

I think the overrall learning here is how well the 380 responds to modding.
You can go just so far as in my case and release around 200hp, or become a bit more serious with Foozrcool developing some real grunt with extractors and the bigger throttle body. To put in perspective, Rob's car would have to be only 20KW flywheel power down on the TMR380.

Who knows what a modified/enlarged plenum would give us (RPW has indicated heaps!) let alone a good set of cams?

Has the throttle delay been lessened? That's the part about electronic throttle's I absoutly hate, I remember driving a manual 380 and the delay is painfull compared to my car, same with my gf's lancer, quite often a near stall off the starts due to the delay.

You can go just so far as in my case and release around 200hp, or become a bit more serious with Foozrcool developing some real grunt with extractors and the bigger throttle body. To put in perspective, Rob's car would have to be only 20KW flywheel power down on the TMR380.

:gtfo: Don't like to gloat but on my calculations I'd like to think within 15KW :badgrin:

I think I should make an effort to close that gap more since I've come this far, especially since Mitsubishi won't build us a TMR!:rant:

Has the throttle delay been lessened? That's the part about electronic throttle's I absoutly hate, I remember driving a manual 380 and the delay is painfull compared to my car, same with my gf's lancer, quite often a near stall off the starts due to the delay.
I think I can speak for myself & knotched on this one, there is no delay or hesitation just wheelspin!

I think I can speak for myself & knotched on this one, there is no delay or hesitation just wheelspin!

:stoopid:

:stoopid:

I'll have to have a ride in your car one day to feel the difference as your just up the road....highway a bit lol

I'll have to have a ride in your car one day to feel the difference as your just up the road....highway a bit lol

Living in paradise actually :D

Since I hardly ever make it to QLD Div meets (shiftwork :disgusted ) PM me when u feel like it.

Hey Knotched, I think you should bump your signature up to 199HP ATW after yesterday!:)

Hey Knotched, I think you should bump your signature up to 199HP ATW after yesterday!:)

I've got a new chart actually, but, considering our outputs may be a little better in the months going into winter - doesn't matter...

I've got a new chart actually, but, considering our outputs may be a little better in the months going into winter - doesn't matter...
Talking about output, I just noticed EZ Boy is back on the scene with his intake. Might be worth having a chat if his dyno results are good.

Day 3 after 2nd remedial dyno and all is well.

I drove to work today in 35C heat with a/c, 50min trip in hwy traffic and car ran beautifully on my alternate Lo map. Feels quite "sharp" i.e. no sluggishness that you usually associate with hot temps. One of the big advantages with a chip :D

Has the throttle delay been lessened? That's the part about electronic throttle's I absoutly hate, I remember driving a manual 380 and the delay is painfull compared to my car, same with my gf's lancer, quite often a near stall off the starts due to the delay.

In my experience electronic throtttle lag isn't all that noticeable with auto cars, for obvious reasons.

I find it very irritating in manual cars, but I suppose you get used to it and learn to compensate.

In my experience electronic throtttle lag isn't all that noticeable with auto cars, for obvious reasons.

I find it very irritating in manual cars, but I suppose you get used to it and learn to compensate.

Allot of it has to do with how the electronic throttle has been calibrated. I can't really notice it in my car, but my mums Territory definitely has a slight lag.

I've got a new chart actually, but, considering our outputs may be a little better in the months going into winter - doesn't matter...

Richard AFAIK dyno power runs are generally done with power correction for air temp, so the weather shouldn't matter. I.e the hotter it is the higher % of correction used in calculating the output.

In fact in some cases hot weather can actually give a higher final reading, sometimes you can get overcompensation from excessive power correction.

Of course if power correction isn't being used then cooler weather = higher reading.

i know its not a 380, but my chiptorque XEDE is booked in for this monday, as long as i get my fuel rail installed without any dramas this weekend and then towed to SAS 1st thing monday morning

I've been reading up on the differnet fuels available & I'm going to get my car redynoed running on V Power Racing 100+ octane. When I got the last tune done there was a dip in the power curve which CNJ said indicated it needed more timing but the knock sensor was cutting in because I either needed less compression or better fuel. I'm not expecting a huge difference but I think it will be quite noticable. Will keep you posted with dyno charts to come.

I wouldn't want the engine running on the knock sensor either but is 100 octane wise?

You'll have to carry a bottle of octane booster for longer trips. I had a Nissan S13 that I used to order Toluene from Mobil for. I wore a mask filling it but I'm sure I lost a few braincells :badgrin:

I know it's sacrilege, but maybe drop the tune slightly?

Do you notice it on full throttle?

I wouldn't want the engine running on the knock sensor either but is 100 octane wise?

You'll have to carry a bottle of octane booster for longer trips. I had a Nissan S13 that I used to order Toluene from Mobil for. I wore a mask filling it but I'm sure I lost a few braincells :badgrin:

I know it's sacrilege, but maybe drop the tune slightly?

Do you notice it on full throttle?
Nah I don't notice it, the power delivery is still smooth. I used to do the methanol & toluene thing too with my old turbo car but V Power Racing is available at a number of servos from the pump.

I was gonna put a second map in & have the option to switch back to 98 octane. As you know I don't drive my car a lot & when I do it is mainly metro or short trips out of Brissy & back so it ain't a problem for me. It'll cost about $4 extra a tank to fill so that's not really an issue either. I'm looking at around $250 for a retune so it aint gonna break the bank & should be able to get a few more degrees advance in which should be quite noticable.

I used V-Power Plus (the old Optimax Extreme), ie 100 octane fuel, straight from the pump. But only a few Shell servos around the place stock it (its so bloody expensive now!)
I used it twice on my 380, but back before I did any of the mods. At that time, it felt about the same as 98... nothing great though. I've been thinking to go back to it for an update (as I'm using 98 now), but its - last time I used it - about 15c a litre above 98 octane! (used to be about 8c higher than 98).

I was gonna put a second map in & have the option to switch back to 98 octane. As you know I don't drive my car a lot & when I do it is mainly metro or short trips out of Brissy & back so it ain't a problem for me. It'll cost about $4 extra a tank to fill so that's not really an issue either. I'm looking at around $250 for a retune so it aint gonna break the bank & should be able to get a few more degrees advance in which should be quite noticable.

Ha!

Maybe I should do the same which would bump me above 200hp. I hardly ever run my hi po map, I'm always on the lower one - so tuning for 100 RON might be a better option.

I'll wait and see how much extra you get from yours.

I used V-Power Plus (the old Optimax Extreme), ie 100 octane fuel, straight from the pump. But only a few Shell servos around the place stock it (its so bloody expensive now!)
I used it twice on my 380, but back before I did any of the mods. At that time, it felt about the same as 98... nothing great though. I've been thinking to go back to it for an update (as I'm using 98 now), but its - last time I used it - about 15c a litre above 98 octane! (used to be about 8c higher than 98).
Oh, maybe I should check the price first, I thought it was 7c dearer than V Power 98 which I use now. I'm on the northside of Brisbane & there are at least 3 servos close by that sell it.

As for noticing the difference you really need to install a chip & take advantage of the higher octane by winding up the timing. Before I chipped mine I seriously couldn't tell the difference between normal unleaded & 98.

Ha!

Maybe I should do the same which would bump me above 200hp. I hardly ever run my hi po map, I'm always on the lower one - so tuning for 100 RON might be a better option.

I'll wait and see how much extra you get from yours.
Yeah well it all sounds good doesn't it & that should push me over the 300HP at the motor I was aiming for originally! :D

Yeah well it all sounds good doesn't it & that should push me over the 300HP at the motor I was aiming for originally! :D

....before you get the S/C! :badgrin:

....before you get the S/C! :badgrin:
Yep these cars have an awesome motor, I don't care what anyone says! :cool:

Oh, maybe I should check the price first, I thought it was 7c dearer than V Power 98 which I use now. I'm on the northside of Brisbane & there are at least 3 servos close by that sell it.
Maybe its cheaper now, but last time I used it it was very expensive. I can't imagine it being any cheaper now.


As for noticing the difference you really need to install a chip & take advantage of the higher octane by winding up the timing. Before I chipped mine I seriously couldn't tell the difference between normal unleaded & 98.
Okay, fair enough... I won't bother going back to it without more serious mods. At least that explains why I didn't feel much difference from it.
I'm using BP Ultimate now and can feel a noticable difference with it.

Maybe its cheaper now, but last time I used it it was very expensive. I can't imagine it being any cheaper now.


Okay, fair enough... I won't bother going back to it without more serious mods. At least that explains why I didn't feel much difference from it.
I'm using BP Ultimate now and can feel a noticable difference with it.
Well my tanks nearly empty so I will check the prices this weekend, if it's 15c more I may have second thoughts.

I think on 98 before the chip it might have felt a bit smoother but I couldn't feel any real extra power. My chips tuned for V Power, I haven't tried any other brands. I also get the coles discount which helps a little bit.

(as I'm using 98 now), but its - last time I used it - about 15c a litre above 98 octane! (used to be about 8c higher than 98).
You were right Grubco, I put a tank full in & it was 18c higher than 98. Last time I used which was a couple of years ago it was 7c more. It seems a little smoother maybe but would need a tune to see the full potential. I will be having a rethink, not sure if its worth it. Thats crazy, 91 to 98 10c difference, 98 to 100 18c difference. It also includes 5% ethanol which is a cheaper fuel. Obviously Shell don't care if they sell it or not!

You were right Grubco, I put a tank full in & it was 18c higher than 98. Last time I used which was a couple of years ago it was 7c more. It seems a little smoother maybe but would need a tune to see the full potential. I will be having a rethink, not sure if its worth it. Thats crazy, 91 to 98 10c difference, 98 to 100 18c difference. It also includes 5% ethanol which is a cheaper fuel. Obviously Shell don't care if they sell it or not!
Yeah I was shocked last time I filled up on it. I had pumped in a few litres before I saw the price, assuming it was still only ~7c higher. Almost 20c a litre for 2 octane points (plus 5% ethanol) is a bloody rip-off in any language!
I've found not much difference using 95 to 91, but a little difference on 98 in that I get more frequent easy wheel spins in 1st (and 2nd if I push it). Don't know if 16in Goodyears are helping there or not.
Presently I have no plans for further mods (except for 20in rims I have my eyes on), so therefore no need to use that 100 octane again. Let me know if you have any better luck with it in future.

Yeah I was shocked last time I filled up on it. I had pumped in a few litres before I saw the price, assuming it was still only ~7c higher. Almost 20c a litre for 2 octane points (plus 5% ethanol) is a bloody rip-off in any language!
I've found not much difference using 95 to 91, but a little difference on 98 in that I get more frequent easy wheel spins in 1st (and 2nd if I push it). Don't know if 16in Goodyears are helping there or not.
Presently I have no plans for further mods (except for 20in rims I have my eyes on), so therefore no need to use that 100 octane again. Let me know if you have any better luck with it in future.
Well I emailed Shell today & basically said WTF? They replied & gave me Coles Express 1800 number as they say they don't own them & Coles Express set the prices. I will be contacting them this week to see what they have to say about the price. I'll probably get the run around but you never know.

I still haven't ruled it out as my 380 is one of my company cars & I don't drive it a hell of a lot so the extra expense isn't that much for me if I can get the performance. I will talk to my tuner along with Coles Express & then decide if it's all worth it.

I've been following the Raptor Supercharger thread in the Magna Mod section although I think a normally aspirated setup with a cam & intake manifold will be good for 200kw at the wheels with the mods I have done so far.

Well I emailed Shell today & basically said WTF? They replied & gave me Coles Express 1800 number as they say they don't own them & Coles Express set the prices. I will be contacting them this week to see what they have to say about the price. I'll probably get the run around but you never know.

I still haven't ruled it out as my 380 is one of my company cars & I don't drive it a hell of a lot so the extra expense isn't that much for me if I can get the performance. I will talk to my tuner along with Coles Express & then decide if it's all worth it.

I've been following the Raptor Supercharger thread in the Magna Mod section although I think a normally aspirated setup with a cam & intake manifold will be good for 200kw at the wheels with the mods I have done so far.
When are you & Knotched planning on taking your cars to the track to get a quarter mile time?

When are you & Knotched planning on taking your cars to the track to get a quarter mile time?
No set date at this stage, maybe in the next month or so time permitting.

Well I emailed Shell today & basically said WTF? They replied & gave me Coles Express 1800 number as they say they don't own them & Coles Express set the prices. I will be contacting them this week to see what they have to say about the price. I'll probably get the run around but you never know.
Guess what, I got the run around as expected, they started quoting renewable resources blah blah blah blah. I said well how come normal fuel hadn't followed the price increases of the V Power Racing? They said you can send a letter to whoever but you will get the same sort of reply. So I said you obviously don't want to sell any of this fuel & hung up.

Anyway I will still talk to my tuner re the expected increases & then decide if it's worth contemplating.

Well I have decided to book the 380 in for a second map running the 100 octane fuel. My tuner said some engines like it more than others & until we did it, wouldn't know how much more power I will get. He offered me a special deal for the second map because I have referred a couple of people so minimal outlay to find out.

Well I have decided to book the 380 in for a second map running the 100 octane fuel. My tuner said some engines like it more than others & until we did it, wouldn't know how much more power I will get. He offered me a special deal for the second map because I have referred a couple of people so minimal outlay to find out.
Does that mean you'd be forced to run 100 octane all the time? Or do you have an alternate chip mode you switch to, or something? If so, that'd really be the best of both worlds. At least then, buying that expensive stuff will be worthwhile.
Good luck.

Does that mean you'd be forced to run 100 octane all the time? Or do you have an alternate chip mode you switch to, or something? If so, that'd really be the best of both worlds. At least then, buying that expensive stuff will be worthwhile.
Good luck.
Yep he will install a switch in the car so I can swith between 100 or 98 octane maps. I think he said you can have up to 5 different maps in the Unichip Q.

Well my car was back on the dyno today to see if I could squeeze some more out running V Power Racing 100 octane. CNJ ran it in 3rd gear on the dyno same as last time & only achieved an extra 3kw at the wheels but the tyres were slipping on the rollers. After slotting it into 4th gear it produced another 3kw with no tyre slip giving me a total of 6kw at the wheel increase just by changing the fuel. I'm now up to 169.3kw ATW which means I have cracked the magical 300hp ATM.

Congrats dude..... tyres slippin... never thought extra weight was needed for a magnalol

That is just awesome

Well my car was back on the dyno today to see if I could squeeze some more out running V Power Racing 100 octane. CNJ ran it in 3rd gear on the dyno same as last time & only achieved an extra 3kw at the wheels but the tyres were slipping on the rollers. After slotting it into 4th gear it produced another 3kw with no tyre slip giving me a total of 6kw at the wheel increase just by changing the fuel. I'm now up to 169.3kw ATW which means I have cracked the magical 300hp ATM.
Congrats! Well done.

Thanks guys. Still haven't touched the cams, manifold, heads or forced induction yet! Imagine what could be done with a TMR380 since I'm probably only about 5 to 10kw short of their power output but normally aspirated with only fairly mild mods. :badgrin:

Great stuff Rob.

Keep that in perspective, folks.

An auto 380 wiith extractors, sports exhaust and the proper six cylinder air intake originally designed for that engine + chip -

and it's making 170KW ATW!

Are there any doubters now about what can be achieved with these engines?

What would you get if you got serious?

What would you get if you got serious?

Broke?

Forgot to ask, if you are getting an extra 6kW from that expensive 100 octane, would you personally keep buying it now, or settle for the cheaper 98 octane with less 6kW?

Forgot to ask, if you are getting an extra 6kW from that expensive 100 octane, would you personally keep buying it now, or settle for the cheaper 98 octane with less 6kW?
The cost isn't really an issue for me as 1/ I don't drive it a hell of a lot & 2/ It's one of my company cars so I get tax benifits & claim the gst back etc. So yep I will keep using it.

I can notice an improvemnt but it isn't massive, the light throttle reponse has improved & I got rid of that little dip in my power & torque curve. Yet to see if it has changed my economy for the better although I can already get into the low 8's with my previous mods.

Great stuff Rob.

Keep that in perspective, folks.

An auto 380 wiith extractors, sports exhaust and the proper six cylinder air intake originally designed for that engine + chip -

and it's making 170KW ATW!

Are there any doubters now about what can be achieved with these engines?

What would you get if you got serious?
Yep they sure are a sweet engine & I stayed for the tune this time & it sounded awesome on the dyno!! :badgrin:

From here I'm wondering if it is worth doing anymore mods .... I have approx 300 hp at the motor & at the point of loosing traction which means anymore & I will need to go to a LSD diff. From here on, the cost of more power will rise dramatically compared to all our mods so far. But really the mind boggles, a couple of cams & EZ's manifold when he gets it sorted, some porting & these engines will be a real beast & thats before we even think about forced induction.

From here I'm wondering if it is worth doing anymore mods .... I have approx 300 hp at the motor & at the point of loosing traction which means anymore & I will need to go to a LSD diff. But really the mind boggles, a couple of cams & EZ's manifold when he gets it sorted, some porting & these engines will be a real beast & thats before we even think about forced induction.


Stop it, your makin me all warm and fuzzy.....lol

Makes you wonder what output a manual would be able to achieve....



Blue 380? ;)

Makes you wonder what output a manual would be able to achieve....



Blue 380? ;)
I've actually just got my suspension drama's soughted out (will start a new post about it soon) so I can start thinking about other mods now.... I certainly wont rule out chipping it some time in the nearish future. More power & less fuel is certainly appealing!!!!

I've already PM'd foz bout this but if anyone else can help i'd have your babies....ok maybe not but i would be gratefull.

Situation is this I approached a company here in Syd called autotech engineering after having had them recomended to me by a good mate of mine, about getting my car chipped with a unichip(though i guess if i have no love there i'll try any brand of chip) however they can't find a wiring diagram for the car aparantly unichip don't have one....

Anyway long story short i was wondering if anyone has a wiring diagram form the 380 that i can pass onto them so i can get this work done, i did speak to foz as i said and put out feelers for them to help out but to be honest the guy i spoke to didn't seem to eager to help me out.

So if anyone can help by either mailing the diagram to me or giving me the number of someone who can send it to me, or even someone Autotech can contact to get them.
Cheers
Dave.

Try Calvin again tomorrow, I have never dealt with Bill, I think Calvin is the one that does all the chips.

And if you can't Unichip it, you can definitely use a ChipTorque Exede. I can give you contacts if required.

i intend to talk to calvin don't get me wrong not discounting CNJ entierly just exploring options, also foz the unichip q is that the only chip that would work for the 380, i was told that i might just be able to get a standard (if there is such a thing) unichip fitted?

As for chiptorque spoke to a company down here that fits them, they will need to look at the car to see what tey can do, but it is significantly more expensive like $400 than the unichip, however if that falls through then i'll PM you about it knotched :D

Yep the Unichip Q is the only one that will work, something to do with the crank trigger setup.

As for chiptorque spoke to a company down here that fits them, they will need to look at the car to see what tey can do, but it is significantly more expensive like $400 than the unichip, however if that falls through then i'll PM you about it knotched :D

Understand re cost. The parent company at Nerang did mine as a pilot, so the company in Sydney only has to refer to the Nerang site.

Thought i would keep this going with updates as to what i've found out when trying to follow in knotched and foz's footsteps.

Basicly there is one company aust wide who have made extractor kits for the 380 Liverpool exhausts, they are the people who supply RPW so if your in the sydney area it's better to go direct to them. I'm getting (when i have a lil bit more money) the extractors fabricated and fitted plus a full 2.5" system fabricated and fitted all stainless steel with a highflow cat.
Have been quoted $2000-$2500 which is decent considering the work going into the car, was also told that just the highflow cat alone is worth 10kw, so for $250 i really think it's worth it.

Ok now as for the chip, as i've found out getting info from a unichip dealer about wiring looms etc is like getting blood out of a stone...damn near impossible, so with that in mind atm there are for me at least 2 options the first being the unichip q costing as of yet an unidentified ammount (waiting to hear back from autotech here in syd) plus tunning which i'm thinking will set me back around $700 for the dyno time.

The second option is a chiptorque excede which is from memory $1650 i'm assuming that includes tuning as well so i'm thinking that will be the cheaper of the two options but as for which is better i'm not sure as of yet.

i haven't mentioned the third option which is tuning using the existing ECU, not sure if this is possible but if it is (as knotched said somewhere in this topic it's a fairly advanced ecu) this should be he cheapest option but i'll need to do some more research into this.

So there it is folks lets hope we can get more people interested in modding their 380's then we can all have 300bhp beasts like Foz ;)

Thought i would keep this going with updates as to what i've found out when trying to follow in knotched and foz's footsteps.

Basicly there is one company aust wide who have made extractor kits for the 380 Liverpool exhausts, they are the people who supply RPW so if your in the sydney area it's better to go direct to them. I'm getting (when i have a lil bit more money) the extractors fabricated and fitted plus a full 2.5" system fabricated and fitted all stainless steel with a highflow cat.
Have been quoted $2000-$2500 which is decent considering the work going into the car, was also told that just the highflow cat alone is worth 10kw, so for $250 i really think it's worth it.

Ok now as for the chip, as i've found out getting info from a unichip dealer about wiring looms etc is like getting blood out of a stone...damn near impossible, so with that in mind atm there are for me at least 2 options the first being the unichip q costing as of yet an unidentified ammount (waiting to hear back from autotech here in syd) plus tunning which i'm thinking will set me back around $700 for the dyno time.

The second option is a chiptorque excede which is from memory $1650 i'm assuming that includes tuning as well so i'm thinking that will be the cheaper of the two options but as for which is better i'm not sure as of yet.

i haven't mentioned the third option which is tuning using the existing ECU, not sure if this is possible but if it is (as knotched said somewhere in this topic it's a fairly advanced ecu) this should be he cheapest option but i'll need to do some more research into this.

So there it is folks lets hope we can get more people interested in modding their 380's then we can all have 300bhp beasts like Foz ;)

I would personally go for the chiptorque over the exisiting. For one, they have been around a while and support is available, price seems reasonable, and if you have problems just yank it out back to factory. if you retune tha factory unit and have problems, you may need another unit. You are spending a bit on your exhaust, you may as well make it worthwhile with a tune that is more likley to be safe. Also consider how long you will keep the car. stainless will last, but is it worth the extra for the time you keep it?good luck!

Bloodasp, 1650 sounds too high. Mine was done for a lot cheaper and it should be 1500 according to their website including the dyno time (you should be able to negotiate).

Email Matt Wilson [matt@chiptorque.com.au] and talk to him about getting it fitted in Sydney.


The normal retail price for the XEDE fitted and tuned is $1490.00 drive away. That is a quote direct from Mike to me on 24th Jan this year.

Don't bother with trying to get the factory ECU reflashed. You'll be the first person in OZ to do it if you can find someone, and it's simply not worth it and not reprogramable (sp?).

ok i didn't know that, was quoted $1550 for the unichip q at autotech to get it done and had planned to get it done there, i should do some research into which is the more capable chip.

Speaking of got the car back yesterday and OMG does it sound hot if i had a decent microphone to record it i would, i get a HUGE grin when it hits 3k RPM and it get's better as it goes higher, am yet to take it out for a run but i can feel the difference already it hits the 6kph mark without even trying now and just wants to keep on going...damn those speed limits :P

That's great mate!

Yeah, speed limits are a problem when you want to find out how much more power you've got! :bowrofl:

The Unichip Q and the Exede are virtually the same in capability. I've talked to Foozer's tuner and Chiptorque and they both acknowledge each others products are equally as good.

Sweet will prob book the car in later this month got a busy one coming up at work, will let you all know how it turns out.
If it's anything like Foz's then it should be allot of fun, just went for a quick drive to fill up the tank, gave it a bit at one set of lights and had the traction control just blinking at me, as if to say...what i can't do anything about your traction loss :D.
Could just be cause it's wet though.

gave it a bit at one set of lights and had the traction control just blinking at me, as if to say...what i can't do anything about your traction loss :D.
Could just be cause it's wet though.
Don't worry with a tune it should be doing that in the dry :badgrin:

Additional KW's confirmed with a run against an Aurion ........ laughable, I ate it for breakfast. Gave them the break each time & everytime I reeled them in instantly under wheelspin & was all over em, they had no chance! :badgrin:

Good stuff Rob.

Haven't had a run against one yet except when my car was stock. The drivers of those cars don't seem enthusiastic to see what they can do.

Yeah since getting the exhaust done no one has wanted to ahem show me up, i think it's the rumble coming from the rear end that scares them off.
But i figure anything thats not a V8 and not FI should be easy to dominate, i'm still trying to get over how easy it accelerates upto speed.
The one thing that does, perhaps bother me is the sound it makes when giving it the beans get's a kind of almost rasp to the note i'm not sure if thats normal for the work i've had done, but for the gains it's worth it :D.
Almost wish i had the money now to get it tuned properly.

Well go get a second job, get that chip on & get it dynoed. I want to see if that hi-flow cat gives you any more go :cool:

But i figure anything thats not a V8 and not FI should be easy to dominate, i'm still trying to get over how easy it accelerates upto speed.


That's what I've found and I'm at least 17kw down on you guys. Some of the older V8s; circa early 2000-03 with 180-200Kw you'll do easily.

You two need some runs against some of the other NA AMCers with mods, particularly the Ralliarts. That would give a good indication how quick you are....or aren't :P :badgrin:

Well go get a second job, get that chip on & get it dynoed. I want to see if that hi-flow cat gives you any more go :cool:

Lol it's gonna happen but not for at least anoter week or more unfotunatly work has me going to townsville later this month and this week is busy with other training, then next week i'm getting ready for the trip up north. But i am hoping to get it booked in to be done late next week.

Make sure you say hi to the locals up here in Townsville!

Make sure you say hi to the locals up here in Townsville!

Uhh let's just say the Locals up there don't much like my kind round there....:P

Also something that i just remembered useless info but interesting none the less the standard exhaust system on the 380 is neither 2.5" or 2.1/4" but is in fact in between it's a 60mm system made in adelaide by a company that did all the mitsu exhausts also does them for holden and ford :D

Lol it's gonna happen but not for at least anoter week or more unfotunatly work has me going to townsville later this month and this week is busy with other training, then next week i'm getting ready for the trip up north. But i am hoping to get it booked in to be done late next week.
Cool well make sure you get some dyno charts to post up!

Uhh let's just say the Locals up there don't much like my kind round there....:P

What is your kind? We is a pretty friendly bunch lol

BloodAsp is in the military - your villagers would stereotype him as an "AJ"

BloodAsp is in the military - your villagers would stereotype him as an "AJ"

Hahaha is that all? Grelise and Benjames are in the military as well (sorry if Ive forgotten anyone) But yeah the villagers up here can be a little funny about these things, but the AMC'ers up here are a good lot :D

Unfortunately I'll be working the entire time however if you see a convoy of army vehicles passing through and see a severely bored person behind the wheel wave it just might be me :P

That's what I've found and I'm at least 17kw down on you guys. Some of the older V8s; circa early 2000-03 with 180-200Kw you'll do easily.

You two need some runs against some of the other NA AMCers with mods, particularly the Ralliarts. That would give a good indication how quick you are....or aren't :P :badgrin:

yeh like tomorrow night. I have a mate taking out his M109 Boulevard for a run at Willowbank. I'm gonna go out too.

Notified today that my Fujita CAI is on it's way to oz, took a bit longer coz I got the custom bronze finish which I'm hoping might be a similar colour to my car.

Also have 4 more O2 spacers coming to try to solve this CEL from the extractors. Will hold off fitting the CAI until I have another crack at the O2 sensors. I would like to have that fixed in case the CAI throws the CEL also. One light for a million probelms sucks!!

I've been looking around the net to buy a OBD2 scanner as I think the further I go the more CEL's I'll be seeing. If I can diagnose them myself It'll be a hell of a lot cheaper than going to the mechanic everytime.

Please forgive my ignorance but what is an O2 spacer, where do they go & what do they do?