View Full Version : GTO DOHC in and nearly finished
TZABOY
11-01-2008, 02:46 PM
good to hear its driving dimi
so, whens the s/c going on?
Sports
11-01-2008, 07:44 PM
good to hear its driving dimi
so, whens the s/c going on?
That would be a brilliant combo, but I think he sold it :cry:
Trotty
12-01-2008, 07:52 PM
Bad news bro... missus wont part with the exhaust... looks like a new one for you :badgrin:
EDIT... Price will be good...
dimi108
12-01-2008, 08:10 PM
OHHH :sook:
not to worry i'll get the extractors done first then to free up some of those restrictions and get your recommendation on where we should go from there and what to build for me
pretty excited
supercharger unit was sold to dave in august last year
i'm happy to have the car back and man does it sound good
but my dilema at the moment is that the car doesn't kick down when i plant it
it takes a while for it to "realise" then it'll drop back
power seems to be restricted too. it sounds the part but it's running only about the same or a tiny bit better than the old 12v did
it doesn't zoom off straight away or seem to have a punch to it
it's weird because chuck's car (DOHC) tonight drove off the line smooth and progressed nicely and i felt the pull
mine seems to bog down and take a while to decide what it's going to do :think:
good old dan spent the whole day trying to figure out what could be wrong
there are no leaks in the exhaust and he fitted new gaskets on...
[TUFFTR]
13-01-2008, 10:09 AM
OHHH :sook:
not to worry i'll get the extractors done first then to free up some of those restrictions and get your recommendation on where we should go from there and what to build for me
pretty excited
supercharger unit was sold to dave in august last year
i'm happy to have the car back and man does it sound good
but my dilema at the moment is that the car doesn't kick down when i plant it
it takes a while for it to "realise" then it'll drop back
power seems to be restricted too. it sounds the part but it's running only about the same or a tiny bit better than the old 12v did
it doesn't zoom off straight away or seem to have a punch to it
it's weird because chuck's car (DOHC) tonight drove off the line smooth and progressed nicely and i felt the pull
mine seems to bog down and take a while to decide what it's going to do :think:
good old dan spent the whole day trying to figure out what could be wrong
there are no leaks in the exhaust and he fitted new gaskets on...
Wont this be part of the ECU problem? how its not tuned yet?
Madmagna
13-01-2008, 11:12 AM
already on the way back to work i gave it a hit up victoria road across the gladesville bridge to see how it went and a group of kids standing on the bridge all turned around and one said GO THE GALANT i was like argh lol
Did not know you are up that way mate, I was up there new years week, spent a day in my Gladesville office lol.
Lucifer
13-01-2008, 11:21 AM
Dimi, lack of kickdown may be due to a faulty TPS sensor...
Sports
13-01-2008, 05:01 PM
Dimi, lack of kickdown may be due to a faulty TPS sensor...
Or the TPS not set correctly
dimi108
13-01-2008, 06:18 PM
thanks guys
might go and find a new tps
can the SOHC one be used?
Lucifer
13-01-2008, 08:50 PM
thanks guys
might go and find a new tps
can the SOHC one be used?
Compare between your DOHC and SOHC ones... if they look the same, share part number etc... go for it :)
Trotty
14-01-2008, 01:11 PM
Hey dimi... that magnafolw muff is gunna be $285....
2.5in inlet with twin 3in round tips....
dimi108
14-01-2008, 05:37 PM
wicked thanks dan for checking that up for us
will it sounds similar to what it sounds like at the moment?
here's a video of the outside of the car with the sound of the idle and driving off steadily (not a hard take off)
glad to have a digital camera now lol
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4702/clipboard01ba5.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgL4WE8iWdo)
Magna91
14-01-2008, 05:56 PM
Now that's one hell of an engine. Bet it was all worth it just to hear that note, eh? :)
wow. That sounds really nice dimi. Bet you're stoked with it.
Mr_Roberto
14-01-2008, 06:43 PM
well done on the conversion mate
i'll bet this thing will be a weapon with abit more work :)
[TUFFTR]
14-01-2008, 06:57 PM
I want to make love with your car
magna00
14-01-2008, 07:17 PM
well get going with yours then tuffy we want to hear yours soon too dude :P
Trotty
14-01-2008, 08:09 PM
HAHA dimi.... you make me laugh... will sound deeper with the new system, will be so much nicer.... Seems to be running heaps better now from the other day.
dimi108
14-01-2008, 11:09 PM
hell yeah i can happily say it was all worth it in the end
and it'll be even more worth it when i get it tuned, fix the kickdown problem and the nicer exhaust off dan
now i know why aj still loves his DOHC till this day
thanks for your nice comments guys - means a lot to me
paula your's is gonna sound even wilder... we can only imagine for now
yeah dan seems to be running better after you did the ecu reset and i'm getting really good fuel consumption too - way better than the SOHC
can't wait to get the headers done!
big thanks for all your trouble with putting the gasket in, welding and troubleshooting it on saturday... you're a legend mate
and thanks to chuck too for sussing out and showing me with your car how it's really supposed to run
mal, i've got some of those wiring diagrams just a couple of pages i'm missing but i'll grab those on wednesday off my sparkie when i take the car in to fix the fuse problem and get the fan running
being me i wouldn't have a clue on how to read these diagrams but i'm sure you will LOL
should see the puzzled looks i get from other drivers and pedestrians
a lot of times when the car is coming down the road even just slowly with the exhaust grumbling people turn around
or at the lights in the rear view i can see people in the back talking and pointing
makes you feel happy haha
you get that too aj?
this afternoon i had a guy in an blue s15 come up next to me at the lights on silverwater road and asked me to wind down my window and he goes "you got a gto motor in there buddy!?" and i go yeah! and he goes "that's crazy sh*t... wanna run?" and i go na sorry dude it's not tuned yet so i wouldn't have much luck anyway haha and he goes "OHHH come onnn" and i go next time then he kept trying to egg me on all the way to the freeway and he kept driving beside me and screamed out "SOUNDS AWESOME" haha i was one happy camper
[TUFFTR]
15-01-2008, 05:03 AM
numbnuts, how hard would it be to find me one of those chunkier front lips hey:P
and yeah dimi feels awesome heylol
now all you gotta do is keep the pics and vids coming so you have some memories of this beast!
GoTRICE
15-01-2008, 06:42 AM
now i know why aj still loves his DOHC till this day
yeah dan seems to be running better after you did the ecu reset and i'm getting really good fuel consumption too - way better than the SOHC
can't wait to get the headers done!
should see the puzzled looks i get from other drivers and pedestrians
a lot of times when the car is coming down the road even just slowly with the exhaust grumbling people turn around
or at the lights in the rear view i can see people in the back talking and pointing
makes you feel happy haha
you get that too aj?
yeah the sound is just nuts. Like i've always loved the sound of the v6's (inc the 12v) in the mitsu range but these are something else.
Its ridiculous how the economy is better when you drive normally. don't worry if you thrash it it drops much easier (350k's to a tank isnt hard to produce).
Haha i dont get the looks; ok i get some. I still get piece of **** magna with loud exhaust cause people assume things but more knowlegable people notice pretty quickly.
Your car looks a bit more modded than though minelol
haha i've beaten an s15 before didn't launch so i didnt lose any distance and my top end was better. He wouldve had me down the 1/4 with a good launch.
Also whats your gearing like too? id imagine it'd be ridiculous in the auto. Ie 1st = 65km/h then 2nd = 120km/h then 3rd > 180km/h thats all i know.
Whats the go with your exhaust? i thought you had extractors made by trotty. did there end up being too little clearance?
Trotty
15-01-2008, 01:02 PM
yeah the sound is just nuts. Like i've always loved the sound of the v6's (inc the 12v) in the mitsu range but these are something else.
Whats the go with your exhaust? i thought you had extractors made by trotty. did there end up being too little clearance?
The extractors are all a go for this weekend... the first pipe i made was just to get him out of the workshops and on the road.
I'll also be doing the rest of the exhaust in stainless, new magnaflow muff and 2.5 cat. Will sound wicked.. it's still shooting through the old 2in at the moment, sapping power aswell i presume..
Oh dimi.... what was you gunna say last night? your fone kept droppin out.????
Machew_B
15-01-2008, 03:54 PM
man I want my KR back, so should've have done a conversion instead of buying a TW.
Very Very Very nice work.
Mat.
toocky
15-01-2008, 10:16 PM
man I want my KR back, so should've have done a conversion instead of buying a TW.
Very Very Very nice work.
Mat.
why not do the conversion to your TW :nuts:
[TUFFTR]
16-01-2008, 05:53 AM
why not do the conversion to your TW :nuts:
Engines are the other way around:nuts: lol
toocky
16-01-2008, 11:21 AM
']Engines are the other way around:nuts: lol
so turn it around:nuts:
so turn it around:nuts:
i hope that was a joke
btw dimi, cars looking good! i now wish that i had more motivation in fixing up the old 2nd gen than selling it now :doubt:
dimi108
16-01-2008, 12:55 PM
hehe yeah paula abdul the front lips look good don't they
pretty low and gives it a mean stance but the best part of it all is they still clear big speed humps and steep driveways easy... for some reason
so for those who are giving up hope on their 2nd gens - don't
they're still a good car, they don't look too old and for around $4500 you can totally transform yours into a beast of a thing with power windows and one of the nicest sounding engines around - an engine that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up and makes skyline drivers look twice
hey dan sweet sorry my phone kept cutting out i had low battery that day
was basically gonna say THANK YOU for my better fuel consumption hahahaha
gotta give you some cash as well so i'll give you a ring and a visit
guys if you need any exhaust or pipework to be done you can't go wrong with DAN
he is very well priced and one of the best quality mandrel benders out there
third gens are nice modern looking cars but 2nd gens with this engine have way more character and wow factor (and attract the babes too) lol
this afternoon at repco two hotties in a honda civic buzz box smiled and the older one said "your car sounds HOTTTT" and i go thank you ladies and titled my hat http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/images/smilies/pimp2.gif
anyways here's the sigma sandwich that took it to the streets of syndey last night
Chuck
16-01-2008, 02:32 PM
isnt that white gto scotty's?
Trotty
16-01-2008, 02:35 PM
SOUNDS like your having fun! haha Baaaarp!!
dimi108
16-01-2008, 03:29 PM
yeah bro scotty's gto
can't believe it was in the workshop for 14 months
i thought my 13 weeks was bad enough
but it's a monster aye
LOL dan
i love turning the key cranking it up and hearing the idle go burrrburrrburrrburrr
especially when driving and when the tacho passes 3,000rpm when the exhaust loudness dies down a bit and you can hear the dohc about to roar and scare the pigeons away
just wish mine was as smooth and had power like chuck's
someday soon hehe
Also whats your gearing like too? id imagine it'd be ridiculous in the auto. Ie 1st = 65km/h then 2nd = 120km/h then 3rd > 180km/h thats all i know.
spot on aj
then O/D on and it'll start to pick up after a good 2½-3 second delay O/D > 245km/h and a bit more
2nd i've gotten just past 125km/h
and i see the tacho needle reach 6,000rpm and it still wants to continue on
after the needle hits 8,300rpm (?) it cuts
GoTRICE
16-01-2008, 03:54 PM
spot on aj
then O/D on and it'll start to pick up after a good 2½-3 second delay O/D > 245km/h and a bit more
2nd i've gotten just past 125km/h
and i see the tacho needle reach 6,000rpm and it still wants to continue on
after the needle hits 8,300rpm (?) it cuts
how have you set up the tacho?
Also redline should be around 7400rpm... so hopefully your tacho is reading wrong?
hahah also those figures sound off. 1st i was thinking 90ish then 160 2nd then OD 190 etc...
Matty_J
16-01-2008, 03:59 PM
OMFG those GTO's are *** hawt as pie......:drool:
To bad you cant replace the 2ND gen shell with a GTO's shell dimi lol
dimi108
16-01-2008, 04:04 PM
na you're right on the first figures i've manage to get past 120km/h with the lever in 2nd
i've replaced the tacho with a diamante one from the US
it works fine the workshop checked it and didn't need to recalibrate it just put it in and works perfectly
from 180km/h with overdrive it takes quite a while to reach the 240km/h on the dash (maybe it's because of the faulty TPS)
after 200-210km/h that's when the fuel guage starts dropping - noticeably
-lynel-
17-01-2008, 02:04 AM
i got a question i havent seen answered yet you guys might be able to help
Are the front brakes interchangable between the half cut and the 2nd Gens? I mean surely the GTO brakes would be more kit then the stock 2nd Gen gear? Or is it like the nissan family where the non-turbo variatns got smaller/less powerful brakes? Reason i asked as when i went and inspected some half cuts for myself, all the NA's had no braking hardware left and the turbo half cuts did and they looked thicker with twin pistons? WHich got me thinking, do the GTO brakes fit and are the non-turbo items still an upgrade or only the turbo brakes?
Chuck
17-01-2008, 09:55 PM
non turbo gto brakes are about as good as verada brakes. The turbo models have far superior brakes to the non turbo models.
GoTRICE
18-01-2008, 07:43 AM
non turbo gto brakes are about as good as verada brakes. The turbo models have far superior brakes to the non turbo models.
Although brakings limited by the tyres. The dohc rotors are 296mm (v rada 276mm) and the calipers are way bigger. But i would like to put the calipers on cause they say mitsubishi too with big cross drilled slotted rotors.
dimi108
18-01-2008, 08:42 AM
yeah i like those gto cross drilled rotors with the mitsubishi lettering on the calipers
looks sporty
i'll upgrade the front and rears next after i get the car tuned and the TPS replaced
aj i want to make my intake the same as yours
heaps good set up
can you show us some more pics of your intake? with the long tubing that comes down to the front
GoTRICE
18-01-2008, 09:16 AM
aj i want to make my intake the same as yours
heaps good set up
can you show us some more pics of your intake? with the long tubing that comes down to the front
badluck you're running a MAF sensor:P I'm not so it'll be much harder for you to do it.
Only one i have is.
34680
Stock bend off t/b then aluminium in 3" to a 90deg bend to 3" aluminium to 3" ebay pod filter.
Trotty
20-01-2008, 08:02 AM
Hey dimi, just wondering what happened?
whats wrong with the car now? did they replace the fuel pump amd tps? or they still playin with themselves?
dimi108
21-01-2008, 07:48 AM
heya dan they tightened the bolts and told me to bring it back today so i'm taking it in this arvo after work see what they can squeeze in for an hour
i'll let you know when they finish it hehe
thanks for reseting the ECU for us too
petrol consumption on it is like a barina
well not quite hehe but really good! :)
cheers man
opilot87
21-01-2008, 08:19 PM
petrol consumption on it is like a barina
well not quite hehe but really good! :)
cheers man
Might do this conversion to save myself some money...
Ollie
dimi108
21-01-2008, 11:30 PM
chuck you serious man!?
has it always been not good since you did the conversion??
reset your ecu man
mine was running heaps sh*t until it was reset then after a week of running it went way better and drank a lot less fuel
and i haven't even replaced the spark plugs yet and done a tune
toocky
21-01-2008, 11:43 PM
chuck you serious man!?
has it always been not good since you did the conversion??
reset your ecu man
mine was running heaps sh*t until it was reset then after a week of running it went way better and drank a lot less fuel
and i haven't even replaced the spark plugs yet and done a tune
sure your not running lean??
dimi108
22-01-2008, 08:34 PM
I doubt it but it's worth a check. The car seems to go really well now. No more "bogging down" feeling or lack of power. Just flies.
Was racing an MY05 WRX at 5 different sets of lights yesterday. I was amazed at how the car completely reeled him in after around 90km/h then passed.
Lucifer
22-01-2008, 09:23 PM
I doubt it but it's worth a check. The car seems to go really well now. No more "bogging down" feeling or lack of power. Just flies.
Was racing an MY05 WRX at 5 different sets of lights yesterday. I was amazed at how the car completely reeled him in after around 90km/h then passed.
He probably backed off dude, seeing as you were probably in a 60 zone :bowrofl:
dimi108
22-01-2008, 10:00 PM
He probably backed off dude, seeing as you were probably in a 60 zone :bowrofl:
Na he was giving it all he had.
If he backed off i wouldn't have counted it as a win.
-lynel-
23-01-2008, 05:34 AM
Hey guys, just an update, i know have the new taxi for my missus to commendere so i can take the Rada off the road for some much needed work. Was a bit of a struggle; had to buy something reliable enough, and safe enough seeing as it will transport my missus and daughter and all.
Still havent located a decent half cut yet, only found 2 in the general area, i might have to go to the coast for one.
Im sure you'll here from me when i run into problems haha
dimi108 tsk tsk lol
Lionel
ih8hsv
23-01-2008, 05:54 AM
hey dimi got your new exhaust yet?
dimi108
23-01-2008, 06:49 AM
Exhaust will be in next week or the week after. I’ll have to organise that with dan. Just have a lot of things on at the moment.
Good news lionel there’s the first step.
You should be able to find a decent front cut for under $1500
Make sure everything is there like I listed on the checklist a few pages back.
“always check that everything is in tact with your front cut.
you need to make sure the harmonic balancer and pulleys are in good shape - not chipped or cracked, the wiring is all there, igniter, loom, a/c compressor, coil pack etc.
wreckers and parts recyclers will always pick parts out of their half cuts and front cuts if people call and request parts. so you'll need to make sure that everything is there and if anything is missing research and make sure you can source those parts in without too much time, hassle or cost.”
-lynel-
23-01-2008, 08:13 AM
yeah thank, i remember all the pointers you gave, which was a good heads up, liek you said its easy to get caught up in the moment... i had to remind myself to stay calm when i was puruesing at the wreckers and i saw the 1st half cut. They had 1800 on both cuts, and 1 was far better then the other, so obviously price is fickle, could have talked them down a hundred or 2 im sure.
ADZA27
23-01-2008, 10:28 AM
Dimi,
Did you get an engineering certifcate for the engine modification? or require one?
also have you all the papers showing the engine is legit?
also i have thought about the conversion, but having a hard time sourcing a halfcut
dimi108
23-01-2008, 10:43 AM
Hey adz glad to see you're considering it. No engineer certificate was required as it is still the same engine block. All was needed was an engine number change.
And yes i've still got my receipt too (see attached)
Like i said, the GTO DOHC engines consume less fuel and don't have the stem seal problems like the 12V's did.
Make sure you have a browse through this thread. You'll get to read on my hiccups i encountered along the way and what to avoid etc.
-lynel-
30-01-2008, 03:54 PM
howdy fellas
my brother mentioned to me that he used the 4wd gearbox in his 4g63t conversion in his galant and how he obtained a 'cap' that basically plugged up the rear housing on the gearbox that would otherwise go to the rear diff. I was wondering, since getting a half cut, can i use the 4wd gearbox that comes with it (GTO front cut) or will the front shafts not match up to the front wheels on my varada well enough?
Is the differnce mostly between the 6g72 gearboxes the addition of the rear tailshaft section? the cap my brother got was basically the splined shalf from a tailshaft with a seal around it that is pushed into the gearbox housing, to stop the oil leaking out.
He doesnt know where he come across this item, he thinks it may have been fabricated for him? what are my chances, if any, of someone knowing where to get one? I would prefer to use the gearbox that comes in the half cut.
What are my chances guys?
Lionel
-lynel-
02-02-2008, 11:48 AM
so anyways i have found the piece i am looking for, got it off a bloke in NZ
I now have a bigger dilema, there are no decent auto half cuts in SE QLD. i have found 2 and they are bad, missing many parts. Anyone know where else i can look or transport from down south; heard there are a few around sydney and melb?
I have to use Auto as my missus cannot physically drive a manual, so thats kinda out of the equation.
Would rather pay more for a decent half cut that i have to ship up north then buy bargainbasement up here.
Lionel
Trotty
08-02-2008, 08:23 AM
Hey bud...
Hows things going? Got evrything sorted yet?
GoTRICE
08-02-2008, 09:55 AM
so anyways i have found the piece i am looking for, got it off a bloke in NZ
I now have a bigger dilema, there are no decent auto half cuts in SE QLD. i have found 2 and they are bad, missing many parts. Anyone know where else i can look or transport from down south; heard there are a few around sydney and melb?
I have to use Auto as my missus cannot physically drive a manual, so thats kinda out of the equation.
Would rather pay more for a decent half cut that i have to ship up north then buy bargainbasement up here.
Lionel
i got mine imported from japan (after they test drove it over there) by just jap auto imports in sydney.
I think tony@justjap.com was the email but you should find their page to double check
-lynel-
08-02-2008, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the email addy, i have tried a few qld importers and none are willing to give me even a ballpark price, its POA as long as i deposit 1000bucks which im skepitcal of.
I might have to make a few phone calls, a few places havent even got back to me. I saw 2 really bad ones for 2000buck up here, im not impressed, id have to spend another grand to get the missing parts.
The porject is going good, my replacement car gets rego'd this week, 91 GLX Cressida, very nice car. Just needs to last a couple weeks and ill be happy.
I guess you'll here from me again soon enough, hopefully its in the form of a couple sweet vids of the twincam burble
Later guys
dimi108
08-02-2008, 05:32 PM
Nice to see your getting things on the move. Cressida! Hehe cool replacement car. Way better than my 2.0 4cyl Daewoo Espero.
Sounds good hope to see/hear it in action soon.
Got any pics of your car btw?
Madmagna
08-02-2008, 07:24 PM
Hey mate, how is the car going and those wiring diagrams
dimi108
09-02-2008, 10:25 AM
If anyone wants info on the GTO DOHC conversion look no further than this (http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~monstr/6G72.rar) zip
Hey mal, it's all in the diamand92.pdf file which is what the sparkie was using.
wombat
10-02-2008, 08:33 PM
The porject is going good, my replacement car gets rego'd this week, 91 GLX Cressida, very nice car. Just needs to last a couple weeks and ill be happy.
Later guys
bugger the magna, drop a 2j in the cressida! my step brother has a 87 cressida, the older shape, he is planning on doing a 2j conversion, his mate had the same model with a lexus v8 in it, biggest sleeper car....
ill post some pics of the cressida with the v8 when my brother gets home from newy tomorrow, cant get onto his computer to get them...
wombat
11-02-2008, 08:38 PM
heres the pics of the cressida with the V8 as promised, not trying to steal the thread, but i hope this gives you a bit of inspiration..
was a very nice car, except he welded the diff, needed new tyres every 6 weeks.....
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/longwombat/cressida2.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/longwombat/cressida3.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/longwombat/cressida4.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/longwombat/cressida1.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i178/longwombat/cressida.jpg
where'd he get the perspex plate from? and that was dumb on his part welding the diff, was he intending on 1/4 mile times or something?
wombat
11-02-2008, 08:49 PM
nah he wanted it to slide better.... pretty dumb thing to do, sold it because he was sick of buying tyres for it and paying for petrol.
the plates are showplates, not legal to use, just slapped them on for pictures. think he got them made somewhere.
perry
12-02-2008, 08:11 AM
a mate of mine here in orange has a creseida with a 2j in it, he he (i think its a 2j, it might be a 1J)
Lucifer
12-02-2008, 08:24 AM
Oh lawwwwd those 1UZ engines are huge.
dimi108
13-02-2008, 09:46 AM
Okies back on topic. The custom extractors have been finished. Link (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56463)
dimi108
13-02-2008, 08:11 PM
Haha cheers man. Yeah she sounds good.
What's happening with your conversion. I know you've got the pimp cressida going but any luck on the front cuts? Hope you've been calling around and getting some quotes/checking out some jap wreckers.
When you get the new engine in, you'll love it. The sound, the performance and the attention it draws - even at servos when i'm refilling the washer fluid bypassers usually check it out or ask about it.
ultrazonerc
06-03-2008, 02:26 PM
Hey Dimi, ive been keeping track of your progress and i must say im impressed! Ive been looking into doing this myself in a Second gen V6 Auto verada and my posts have been in TuffTR 's 6g74 thread. Anyways, ive been seriously shopping around and might have found what i want. I was looking at getting the 6G74 as i said before but it has been too hard to find it. Anyways as i have found the 6G72 will bolt directly into my V6 Verada. After doing a bit more research I have found that a half cut of a N/A GTO will almost bolt straight in, just like Dimi has done. I have been offered a Twin Turbo GTO for $2800 and just wondered if this will also bolt directly in or does the TT setup change the situation all together.
I need to figure this out asap because they have the engine in melbourne waiting for me.
What you rekon dimi??
Trotty
06-03-2008, 02:41 PM
I have been offered a Twin Turbo GTO for $2800 and just wondered if this will also bolt directly in or does the TT setup change the situation all together.
I need to figure this out asap because they have the engine in melbourne waiting for me.
What you rekon dimi??
Yes it will fit... BUT you will have clearance issues on the turbo's and will need the rear manifold modified. and custom intercooling pipes.
ultrazonerc
06-03-2008, 02:59 PM
Ahk thanks Trotty. I know where i can get the custom intercooling pipes done but not sure as to how much it would cost to modify the rear manifold? Is this the same thing Dimi had to do with his?
And the other thing as well is the TT GTO does not have a gear box or instrument cluster so will the Auto gearbox in the 2nd gen Verada handle it, i dont rekon it woul, which means that i would need to source the gto gearbox right?
I just made another phone call and found a GTO TT Half cut with everything including gear box for $4400 but then postage is on top. These prices are looking to be a bit high, or is it the going rate for these engines now? It seems this time last year the same engine N/A was only like $1500. If anyone knows where i could get one from would help a lot, N/A would make it easier but im happy with either! Thanks again Trotty!
GoTRICE
06-03-2008, 03:04 PM
Ahk thanks Trotty. I know where i can get the custom intercooling pipes done but not sure as to how much it would cost to modify the rear manifold? Is this the same thing Dimi had to do with his?
And the other thing as well is the TT GTO does not have a gear box or instrument cluster so will the Auto gearbox in the 2nd gen Verada handle it, i dont rekon it woul, which means that i would need to source the gto gearbox right?
I just made another phone call and found a GTO TT Half cut with everything including gear box for $4400 but then postage is on top. These prices are looking to be a bit high, or is it the going rate for these engines now? It seems this time last year the same engine N/A was only like $1500. If anyone knows where i could get one from would help a lot, N/A would make it easier but im happy with either! Thanks again Trotty!
you'd have to have the transfer case modified in the awd box to run the power fwd only.
Your gearbox would **** itself. Another option is a manual conversion with quaife lsd which will prolly start snapping cogs but we'll see.
-lynel-
06-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Just to update guys, got a few little tid bits fixed on the verada know im not so disabled, but still having huge problems finding a reasonable condition and price DOHC 6G72. For the money they are asking up here for a non turbo, id rather throw another G at it and get myself a TT. Turns out auto's are even rarer over here in front cut form. Best offer so far is 1000 deposit, and i pay the rest when it gets here but there is no gaurentee on final price, could be another 100 to another 2000, i get no promises... and that aint good enough for me.
This is ****ting me, im thinking of putting the money into the cressie, there are plenty of 2JZ GE autos waiting for me at the local wreckers, and the look of the car has grown on me, and so has the fact the diff is currently locked ahha
ultrazonerc
06-03-2008, 06:31 PM
So the GTO is AWD then, what would be involved in converting to fwd? I think for simplicity and the fact that Dimi pulled it off fairly easy i think the N/A Gto would be much easier. The verada Auto box should be able to handle a N/A Gto right? Ive found yet another half cut with tranny and everything else for $2700 so im going to ring them first thing (Im fairly certain its N/A) Im hoping to have this conversion done ASAP as there is a drag day comming up here and i wanna unleash the pain! :badgrin:
wombat
06-03-2008, 06:48 PM
Just to update guys, got a few little tid bits fixed on the verada know im not so disabled, but still having huge problems finding a reasonable condition and price DOHC 6G72. For the money they are asking up here for a non turbo, id rather throw another G at it and get myself a TT. Turns out auto's are even rarer over here in front cut form. Best offer so far is 1000 deposit, and i pay the rest when it gets here but there is no gaurentee on final price, could be another 100 to another 2000, i get no promises... and that aint good enough for me.
This is ****ting me, im thinking of putting the money into the cressie, there are plenty of 2JZ GE autos waiting for me at the local wreckers, and the look of the car has grown on me, and so has the fact the diff is currently locked ahha
do that, rwd is so much more fun, and the resell value will be alot higher.
dimi108
06-03-2008, 09:26 PM
As Dan and AJ mentioned, you'll have to modify a few things including the transfer case.
But room wise the TT will fit fine but you'll need to make sure you've got a manual box, LSD and a stronger driveshaft.
You should do the non turbo GTO engine first then see what your options are on getting it turbocharged. There are a lot of turbo kits for the non turbo GTO's for under AU$3200 (not including postage).
These include:
- Garrett Turbo with Internal Wastegate
- High Nickel Composite Cast Exhaust Manifold
- Down Pipe
- Fuel Pressure Regulator
- Map Unit (Black box)
- Oil Return Line and Fitting
- Air Filter with Piping
- Injection Control Unit with Turbo Timer
- Injector Interface Block with Injectors
- Blow Off Valve
- High Flow Intercooler with mounting hardware
But you'll most likely need to customize some of the piping in order for it to fit which can be done by an exhaust place or Dan (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/member.php?u=8364) if you're in Sydney. And you'll be looking at an aftermarket computer too. So realistically if you are to do the TT transplant a safe budget would be around the $12000 mark. This would include a workshop dropping the engine in, someone doing the exhaust, aftermarket computer, driveshaft etc. A bit cheaper if you're doing it yourself.
And make sure you spare and extra $500 for a cheap car with 4 months rego to use for now if the Verada is your only vehicle. Because the car will be in the workshop for a little bit.
The non turbo GTO engine is an exellent upgrade still. Mine isn't even tuned yet and you'd be surprised at what cars i've whooped. Just ask AJ what he's is capable of. Especially on a rolling start, these things have great torque. Manuals will run a 14.7-8 quarter mile without problems.
ultrazonerc
07-03-2008, 02:01 PM
Thanks for replying so fast Dimi, you really are the GTO wizz!! I have managed to source a GTO TT Front cut for $2700. Hopefully it will be shipped down Monday with a bit of luck from the bank! Anyways it’s a 5 Speed manual TT but im worried about the AWD, FWD situation. Im trying to figure out if it will be cheaper to source a LSD for the Verada or is it cheaper/possible to convert the box to FWD?
Just wondering why you it would cost $12,000 to do the conversion? It also includes the Ecu and all the wiring and loom so would I need an aftermarket Ecu still? Im also a bit worried about the transmission, is the manual box relatively in the same spot as the Auto verada, I mean I know I will have to make a hole for the clutch but will it all go close.
Thank you guys again for helping out with this conversion, hopefully if I get it all up and running I will have to jump on the spirit and come show off :D Maybe PM me with a number or mobile Dimi so I can rack your brains ?!?! lol
Trotty
07-03-2008, 03:04 PM
well the cost goes up very quick.... custom manifolds $1000-$2000
Fitting $1000-$2000+ of the motor and gearbox this is if all goes GOOD
Exhaust $500-$1000+
Intercooler piping $300-$1000+
gearbox modifications....??? $500-$2500+
Full service on motor and gearbox including all belts water pump spark plugs, gaskets , bearings etc $1000+
New Fuel pump $80-$250+
Air con regas $120-200+
Not to mention if anything is missing off the motor:redface:
Just to name a few things....thats $5000 g without the frontcut cost....
dimi108
07-03-2008, 10:59 PM
You're welcome. Glad to help. But you'd be surprised at all the little extras you'll need along the conversion. Even the smallest of things like an igniter or a new harmonic balancer or even one little wiring harness can slow down your conversion. So i hope you checked the engine out and made sure everything is there and everything is in tact and in good working order. Don't be excited because you saw that twin turbo front cut sitting up on the shelf.
Make sure you checked the harmonic balancer for cracks or chips - make sure the whole thing is round without cracks in it. And make sure that front cut has everything there like the igniter, the wiring loom, the air condition compressor... even the coolant reservoir! Remember, wreckers are always willing to pick bits out of their front and half cuts if other customers request them. So you need to check that everything is there.
Yep, keep us updated and post photos here of your new parts and front cut etc. when you get it. Check that front cut with a fine toothed comb! And if anything is missing it'll allow you to order parts in for replacement and prepare yourself for a smooth conversion. Nothing is worse than getting a call from the workshop saying "we need a new something something here and a new thingo there" it'll just stress you lol
Hopefully yours will look something like this soon...
-lynel-
08-03-2008, 04:33 PM
DIMI are the intake pipes, from AFM to TB the same shape as the 12v 6g72? im thinking of making an alloy intake pipe up for mine while i wait around for the DOHC, and it would be tits if i could re-use it.
Alloy is so cheap it aint funny and it would really open up that intake howl. the one i did for my bro's 4G was pretty horn, almost as horn at that pic of your engine bay.
I got permission of the missus to source a TT front cut, if nothing respectable is availbale in NA form, woot woot, knew i liked her for a reason.
Lucifer
08-03-2008, 09:43 PM
DIMI are the intake pipes, from AFM to TB the same shape as the 12v 6g72? im thinking of making an alloy intake pipe up for mine while i wait around for the DOHC, and it would be tits if i could re-use it.
Alloy is so cheap it aint funny and it would really open up that intake howl. the one i did for my bro's 4G was pretty horn, almost as horn at that pic of your engine bay.
I got permission of the missus to source a TT front cut, if nothing respectable is availbale in NA form, woot woot, knew i liked her for a reason.
Intake pipes are the same on SOHC 6G72... Even in the 3000GT they use the same design. Pre-made pipe can be had for like $100 from eBay.us
-lynel-
09-03-2008, 06:16 AM
100bucks US + postage? jesus what do they think they are making it from?
does that include silicone joiners and clamps though? it would want to for that price.
thanks for the info anyways there LUCIFER
just to update guys, i have found a GTO TT auto front cut for 3100 local to me, which is more then i wanted to spend but is a far site more appealling then the non turbo auto i was planning on ahaha will see how it goes would still take an NA DOHC if i could find one closish or cheaper + postage.
What are some places in Melbourne i can ring? cant really find anything on yellowpages
[TUFFTR]
09-03-2008, 10:23 AM
100bucks US + postage? jesus what do they think they are making it from?
does that include silicone joiners and clamps though? it would want to for that price.
thanks for the info anyways there LUCIFER
just to update guys, i have found a GTO TT auto front cut for 3100 local to me, which is more then i wanted to spend but is a far site more appealling then the non turbo auto i was planning on ahaha will see how it goes would still take an NA DOHC if i could find one closish or cheaper + postage.
What are some places in Melbourne i can ring? cant really find anything on yellowpages
If you are going to get it dropped in by "professionals" and have all the work done by someone else you will easily be looking above $8K.
Should probably try and fit the AWD drivetrain from the GTO while your at it.
-lynel-
09-03-2008, 12:02 PM
well the fac tthe magna is only front wheel drive, is the reason im not overly interested in the TT DOHC. I have the adapater plate/ block off so i can use the GTO gearbox, just running the front wheels. this will need to be fitted by a specialist, but other then that and some of the electrics, between myself and my mate we can do the rest. a 4wd conversino would be something else, but a friend of mine went most of the way with making a 4wd camry, using gt4 celica running gear, he spent 2900 on the car, 6700 on the 3s-gte converison and 9000 on body work to support the running gear, but never had the drive shaft and tail shaft made, so thats prolly close to another 1500. apparently this was engineered though
Since im still unable to source the cut, im just collecting random stuff so when i take the rada off the road i can do everything i want in one. So far is boot mount the battery, relocate engine bay fusebox, paint engine bay matt black after i clean it up, its a freaking mess from my ****ty 12v 6G.
GoTRICE
09-03-2008, 06:20 PM
paint engine bay matt black after i clean it up, its a freaking mess from my ****ty 12v 6G.
Just go nuts with degreaser when the engine is out
ultrazonerc
13-03-2008, 09:38 AM
Sounds like a few of us want this conversion done!!
Ive managed to source the GTO TT for my Verada from AUS for only $2700, just waiting for the funds to clear at the bank then will have it shipped and on its way :D
Just a bit worried mind you, I am buying the engine on what I have been told by the company, but I cant go over it because im in Tassie and the front cut is in WA, hopefully all is good :cry:
When the engine arrives, im going to take plenty of pictures all throughout the build. I will probably start a new thread titled GTO DOHC TT Conversion and update it regularly so all can see the progress. I really hope it goes smoothly but you just never know! Now I just hope the Rada can handle all that power :badgrin:
Chuck
13-03-2008, 10:34 AM
Can I ask you a question man?
How much money have you really got saved up for this conversion?
ultrazonerc
13-03-2008, 01:44 PM
Can I ask you a question man?
How much money have you really got saved up for this conversion?
Not sure why you need to know this but oh well. Ive got 5K ready and another 5K from the bank like i said, just waiting for it to clear before I go ahead with it. :eh:
Trotty
13-03-2008, 01:50 PM
I dont like your chances on getting it on the road for that....
Availability of mechanics,auto electricians, fabricators/engineer's.....
these all add up+ towing and the rest of all that crap,
i wish you the best of luck bud.... wish i could help, but the swin is a bit far....LOL
Chuck
13-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Let me give you some advice man.....dont waste your money....you dont wanna know how much money ive spent on my car....and its still not goin 100%....Ive spent alot more than the 10 gs you think will be enough....Ask dimi...he knows how much ive spent ahahah
Granted I payed for other things like the bodykit and ****....but even without those costs...it still would not have been worth it.....
save up your money man......for the money you will spend to get the car running right you can buy a vr4 galant or a liberty b4 or whatever kind of performance car you like....and you'll have a runabout in the verada....without having to deal with the bull**** of downtime when your car is in the workshop....and i guarantee it will be in the workshop because NOONE knows how to do what you will be asking of them....it will all be trial and error....
If you can cancel the payment for the half cut...do it....if you cant....i recommend that you try to sell it onto someone who has a gto that is looking for parts....they would love a backup engine for 2700!
You dont have to listen to us....but Im just tellin you cuz I wish I had listened to people when they told me not to watse too much money on the verada....
Oh....and ill tell you one thing....If you cant afford to do the conversion(loan) then you cant afford to keep the car running if you DO get it running....
[TUFFTR]
13-03-2008, 03:58 PM
Yeah chuck its ****ing expensive aint it.
spent probs $4G on engine GB and ECU and still need to have it all dropped in and working.
I mean im ALL for engine modding and shiz but the TT motor is gonna be a hassle to get it 100%
I dont see why you wouldnt do a N/A conversion. motors down here are $500 with an AWD box cant go wrong!
when turbos and shiz come into it standard magna stuff will probably snap...
dimi108
13-03-2008, 04:42 PM
I hate to admit, but that's some sound advice from Chuck.
We both spent an absolute fortune on our conversions. The results were good, but it cost quite a bit.
Instead of continuing to spend more and more on my car, i'm going to maintain it and try to restore it slowly throughout this year and make it a bit more powerful without concentrating all my time and funds into it. I'll be using it as a stylish, comfortable and fast daily driver.
For weekends i'll be using the new car. Which is still a project that i plan to finish by late May. Yup it's a Mitsubishi.
Chuck will be getting his new beast soon too eh?
Our cars are very rewarding if you've got lots of time and deep pockets for upgrades, engine conversions, exterior enhancements and importing of parts.
And like paula said, the standard foundation of our cars can only handle so much until it starts getting very expensive.
When mod plans start pushing around the $10,000 mark, there are a lot of other options and fast mitsubishi's out there. Just ask chuck what he can get now for under $10,000! Instead of a GTO engine conversion, he can land the whole thing - twin turbo, complied and ready for blue slip for less.
An N/A conversion will do you well. They are realiable engines, fast and sound great. So never look past an N/A GTO motor. A good and smart example is AJ's car.
Good luck with the TT conversion. If you start it i'll keep a good watch of your thread.
And if all goes well, it will be one hell of a beast.
P.S Read chuck's advice here. It's real talk.
If you cant afford to do the conversion(loan) then you cant afford to keep the car running if you DO get it running....
Trotty
13-03-2008, 05:51 PM
hey dimi... you still looking for the rest of that pipework to be done? should open it up nicely.... Unleash the beast! LOL
ultrazonerc
17-03-2008, 02:00 PM
']Yeah chuck its ****ing expensive aint it.
spent probs $4G on engine GB and ECU and still need to have it all dropped in and working.
I mean im ALL for engine modding and shiz but the TT motor is gonna be a hassle to get it 100%
I dont see why you wouldnt do a N/A conversion. motors down here are $500 with an AWD box cant go wrong!
when turbos and shiz come into it standard magna stuff will probably snap...
Thank you guys for all the help, I have had a serious though about this and have realised without spending a bucket load of cash the verada probably wont be able to handle the TT setup. I mean i could always put in the N/A GTO and if i want it turbo down the track I could make my expensive move then. But It got me wondering, the TT setup isnt all that different from the N/A, i mean there is 2 turbos and an intercooler and a few stiffer parts but is basically the same right?
None the less I believe from the sound advice from everyone has given me my best bet would be to go N/A for the time being. So if motors are about $500 TuffTR, do you know where i can source one asap? I would really preferr the front cut as it will make the conversion much simpler to pull off.
Thanks again so much guys for your help, Im really going to go the whole hog on this conversion, look for it on Hot4's :bowrofl:
Chuck
17-03-2008, 07:56 PM
Is your engine/car running well right now?
ultrazonerc
18-03-2008, 05:38 AM
Yeah its running fairly well, but is skipping gears (its an auto) and I figure instead of spending cash just to fix the one I have, I would do the conversion which also gives me manual, plus much more power and fun (plus it keeps me out of trouble while im doing the conversion.)
My work has offered me the work van AND fuel until the conversion is done so i will still have a vehicle :cool:
Chuck
19-03-2008, 11:14 AM
Look man....I was just tryina help you out...if you dont wanna listen then do what you want to do...
im just saying this from the perspective of someone who has been where you are and did what you want to do...and in the end realised its really not worth it....the verada was never intended to be a sports car....
Look...if you want some real advice....here it is...
If you want just a manual dohc....you need the dohc engine and a mtx from a tr-ts v6....your heater will be fine...and you can get your aircon working after spending some money...mine cost around 8-900....you want have a tacho unless you get an aftermarket or a dohc cluster....according to dimi...the japanese ones arent the best with our cars...not calibrated right.....so hes using a usdm one.....im currently trying to source a sigma cluster from europe as it is in km/h...not mph like the usdm one...
If you want dohc tt....you will need the getrag and you will need to weld the vcu....the standard mtx's gearing is too short so you will spin tyres too easily and eventually break something. You will also need an LSD...perferably quaife....
You will lose your heater and again you will have to rebuild your aircon....this might not even be an option unless you are going with a fmic.
If you dont want to get the getrag transmission....there are build kits out there for your atx that will allow it to handle the power...parts should be around 1500....add labour...
ummm...what esle?
ultrazonerc
19-03-2008, 01:27 PM
Thank you chuck, this was what i was after. I was planning to run on the advice you guys have given me because most have been there. I just got annoyed because instead of explaining to me in a plain manner it was harsh. I can see you know your stuff and am hoping to be able to come to you if i need help.
Basically the aim will be to do a DOHC N/A vehicle 3 or 3.5L it doesnt matter, just which ever engine will fit easiest. I would also be looking to make it manual just for the fact that i can have a little more control over the shifting system.
I will have a deeper look into this and what you have just posted later tonight and see what i come up with.
Thank you again, all help is definately apprecieted. No hard feelings Chuck
ultrazonerc
27-03-2008, 05:42 AM
After much consideration and hard thought I have decided to do the conversion. The funds are in, the resources are avaliable and there is plenty of time to get this done. I realise I could quite easily go and just buy a VR4 Galant and have fun but I just cant get past the idea of getting rid of the Verada.
So I have found 3 or 4 companies in AUS with a variety of engines and half cuts avaliable. So the final question to make this so much easier for myself is - Which of the engines that can go into the Verada will I need? The GTO DOHC N/A (6g72) 3L, The Diamante 6G74 N/A DOHC 3.5L or something else? I want to be able to bolt in almost every part without much modification. From what Chuck has said a GTO will be too much hasstle with LSD, Gearbox, ECU and other things so probably not the go? You guys have al done things a bit different and im just trying to figure out which engine will drop in with little modification. Is that the engine Dimi used?
Time to get the project rolling and lets see what happens!:cool:
[TUFFTR]
27-03-2008, 06:07 AM
Just to clarify The 6G74 DOHC Is from a Mitsubishi Debonair, Not a Mitsubishi Diamante..
Dimi used the GTO 3L.
diamante94
27-03-2008, 08:27 AM
the diamante also had the 3.5L dohc, in 97-98 best I can tell. other years???? anyway good luck
Lucifer
27-03-2008, 11:35 AM
the diamante also had the 3.5L dohc, in 97-98 best I can tell. other years???? anyway good luck
Wrong orientation mate.
Third gen style Diamantes did have the 3.5L but it's the wrong way around...
ultrazonerc
27-03-2008, 01:47 PM
yeah but the one i want is only to suit a second gen. So Dimi got his in fairly easy right? and it was a 3L N/A GTO right? I have followed dimi's conversion and TuffTR's conversion very closley and it seems that the GTO conversion Dimi did ended up being quicker and easier?
hehe I meant debonair above lol, i just want the diamante grille, looks sexy :cool:
Magna91
27-03-2008, 01:49 PM
Both are about the same to fit in, Tuffy just hasn't started his yet. :P
Good to see so many putting new life into their Magnas/Veradas. :)
diamante94
27-03-2008, 08:59 PM
I see I see , and about the diamante grille would you need the headlights?? If you tell me what year your looking for a grille from i will look around in the yards here to see what I can find. Alot of First gen. Diamantes (92-96) with good grilles.
ultrazonerc
28-03-2008, 07:52 AM
Ahk kool, Tuffy get onto it! lol. Will both of the engines bolt in easily with a gear box or is one easier than another. So the main difference between the two is that one is 3.5L from a debonair and one is a 3L from a N/A GTO?
diamante94 I have the parabolic headlights allready from a diamante and just need the grille (and even the solid orange indicators if possible?) Its to suite a second gen verada. Its the grille that has the V shape in the front with mesh behind it, rather that strips of plastic. (even if its hollow i can always put mesh into it :D) It looks like that one TuffTr has on his avatar. Thanks for letting me know mate, ive wanted one for ages!
Lucifer
28-03-2008, 08:30 AM
Ahk kool, Tuffy get onto it! lol. Will both of the engines bolt in easily with a gear box or is one easier than another. So the main difference between the two is that one is 3.5L from a debonair and one is a 3L from a N/A GTO?
diamante94 I have the parabolic headlights allready from a diamante and just need the grille (and even the solid orange indicators if possible?) Its to suite a second gen verada. Its the grille that has the V shape in the front with mesh behind it, rather that strips of plastic. (even if its hollow i can always put mesh into it :D) It looks like that one TuffTr has on his avatar. Thanks for letting me know mate, ive wanted one for ages!
Mate, by the sounds of things you need to learn a LOT more before you even attempt this conversion.
To start with, the grille you're looking for is a KS Verada grille, the indicators belong to the same model.
3.5L 6G74 DOHC is from the Debonair, 3L 6G72 DOHC is from the GTO/Stealth/Diamante.
You also stated that Chuck mentioned something about the GTO being too difficult with the AWD and such... Yet another reason you should continue your research and not go into debt with this project, the 6G72 DOHC has the capability to use the same gearbox as the ADM 6G72.
You keep saying "Little Modification"... To me this says that you're willing to cut corners and do things cheap, not a good attitude to have, as it will cost you more in the long run.
ultrazonerc
28-03-2008, 09:01 AM
Righto, I was told by one of YOU that the grille and indicators came from a Diamante.
Now read my post again, i f***ing said 3.5L debonair and 3L GTO you tool, why say it again.
I said little modification meaning the more advice you guys give me and the more compatible the parts are, the less modification that will be required. For eg. a GTO TT would require a lot of modification, parts and fabrication, a 6g72 N/A GTO wouldnt.
This is a conversion which isnt factory standard, so of course its going to require modification. :rant:
Lucifer
28-03-2008, 09:15 AM
Righto, I was told by one of YOU that the grille and indicators came from a Diamante.
Now read my post again, i f***ing said 3.5L debonair and 3L GTO you tool, why say it again.
I said little modification meaning the more advice you guys give me and the more compatible the parts are, the less modification that will be required. For eg. a GTO TT would require a lot of modification, parts and fabrication, a 6g72 N/A GTO wouldnt.
This is a conversion which isnt factory standard, so of course its going to require modification. :rant:
Ease up turbo.
I don't see how much more modification you'll have to do with the TT setup as opposed to NA, you still have to have manifolds custom made, you should still be using an aftermarket ECU, the only exception would be the odd IC pipe here or there, which is negligible.
With regard to engine differences, you asked a question in your previous post, hence my answer, so don't get snippy mate. You have a fair bit to learn here as I said before, so don't be hating on people who probably know more than you about the subject.
Good for you for wanting to do the conversion, but anyone can talk themselves up about wanting to do the conversion, but not many people actually have the cojones to actually get out there and do the conversion. That said, if you have a question, ask away.
Chuck
28-03-2008, 11:01 AM
You dont need custom manifolds when just going dohc....you can use the diamante manifolds....
ultrazonerc, whats with the attitude? people have been trying to HELP you here and youre being a little ****ing ****! grow up or you arent gonna learn anything from anyone here!
Lucifer
28-03-2008, 11:17 AM
You dont need custom manifolds when just going dohc....you can use the diamante manifolds....
ultrazonerc, whats with the attitude? people have been trying to HELP you here and youre being a little ****ing ****! grow up or you arent gonna learn anything from anyone here!
True, you can use the stockos... But when you're upgrading to another motor for performance reasons, why not go aftermarket/custom extractors for the same reason? Price is an issue I suppose. That said though, I'm sure GTO extractors can be used :)
ultrazonerc
28-03-2008, 11:55 AM
Im sorry, Im getting frustrated because everyone keeps putting me down. I realise mate that most people are all talk and no go, but I have allready got ALL the gear plus a workshop to pull this off. Ive gone and got everything from engine stands, to puleys and hoists and even a massie workshop i could quite easily fit 4 cars in... I keep getting more and more lumps of cash from various places this month and all i want to figure out is what engine is best for ME. It can be turbo, N/A or even a rare import it doesnt matter. Im just so passionate about doing this and i not only see it as fun but something to keep me out of trouble :cool:
I just want to get off to a good start by knowing everything i can before I jump into this. I look up to you guys, i honestly do, and all im after is just a little help. No attitute, no abusing, just friendly advice. I know i dont have a massive knowledge base but im here to understand and learn, I dont want to have people talking down to me..... :cry:
GoTRICE
28-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Look here.
http://www.wrenchmonkey.com/Webpages/6G74swap.html
3.5L swap is more time consuming and needs some machining of the block among other things. The above is for TT'n but most applies.
The 3L is fairly straight forward
Using the upper DOHC manifolds would allow easier exhuast fabrication.
The TT will be much harder. You can just TT the dohc later down the track anyway.
See here
http://www.3si.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=53
The gearbox will bolt up to all engines but whether it'll be able to handle the power is another story.
[TUFFTR]
29-03-2008, 12:22 AM
Look here.
http://www.wrenchmonkey.com/Webpages/6G74swap.html
3.5L swap is more time consuming and needs some machining of the block among other things. The above is for TT'n but most applies.
The 3L is fairly straight forward
Using the upper DOHC manifolds would allow easier exhuast fabrication.
The TT will be much harder. You can just TT the dohc later down the track anyway.
See here
http://www.3si.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=53
The gearbox will bolt up to all engines but whether it'll be able to handle the power is another story.
Wrong :D
The 3.5L US Block needs to have the block machined. (i.e. Pajero, Montero block)
the JDM one is a direct fit.
ultrazonerc
29-03-2008, 12:15 PM
That guide is awsome, thank you for the link! im studying all the details like a graduate student :D From what I can tell from this conversion etc, a 6G72 N/A Engine would be my best way to go, plus parts etc are more readily avaliable to me.
A TT setup would definately be much harder, and like you said i can always turbo it later down the track. So it looks like the go, a 6G72 N/A engine. Now which one do i want for the verada?
There was the Diamante, 3000GT (GTO) and Stealth, and will it have to be JDM?
Thanks again for the links GoTRICE!
GoTRICE
29-03-2008, 01:49 PM
Yeah what paul said. I forgot about that haven't read it in a while.
Just get a gto na motor. There's like 7 million here.
-lynel-
30-03-2008, 07:38 PM
Yeah what paul said. I forgot about that haven't read it in a while.
Just get a gto na motor. There's like 7 million here.
by here you referring to what country? I have had no replies, from any engine suppliers north of the ACT (being as how im in brisbane). Some can offer me a manual turbo, others maybe ahve a gear box, or a bare motor (no pumps)
ultrazonerc
31-03-2008, 03:03 PM
Its decided then, GTO N/A it is :D That website has so much info on it, shame he sold it!
So now getting my hands on one, prefferbly a half cut but i guess if i have to i can get the engine and the assorted parts from various places. GoTRICE can you sources one for me or know of anywhere that has one I could give a buzz? So far all the crowds I have rung havent been too helpful, they either have a TT GTO or dont have it in stock which doesnt help! :doubt:
I feel bad about clogging up this thread, poor old Dimi has had his original post stolen from him! The moment this engine is sourced I will create a new post from the beginning, from the day it arrives and how it looks, to the day im hitting the streets :cool:
GoTRICE
31-03-2008, 04:20 PM
tony@justjap.com got one in for me.
I made like 20 calls and found 5 motors.
I paid 2k$ for a halfcut and i could've gotten an engine for about 1k$
Paul knows where some are. They should be able to ship. Mine cost 300$ from sydney.
ultrazonerc
07-04-2008, 06:43 AM
Thank you mate!!! I have emailed tony@justjap.com to ask him for help, did you also mean Paul from the AMC or Paul from justjap?
I just got some more parts etc for the Engine and a few more tools so I just need the front cut now!!
Lucifer
07-04-2008, 08:13 AM
Thank you mate!!! I have emailed tony@justjap.com to ask him for help, did you also mean Paul from the AMC or Paul from justjap?
I just got some more parts etc for the Engine and a few more tools so I just need the front cut now!!
He means Paul from AMC.
ultrazonerc
07-04-2008, 09:31 AM
Ahk kool, what is pauls nickname on AMC?
[TUFFTR]
07-04-2008, 04:45 PM
Ahk kool, what is pauls nickname on AMC?
[TUFFTR].....:cool:
ARS55
07-04-2008, 09:10 PM
hey could you guys have a look in the ebay only thread in the for sale section and let me know that what i have posted is correct??
i'm no expert on the 2nd gen engines but from what i can see that engine looks like it may very well bolt in. it also looks to be DOHC??
Engine
Configuration — DOHC 24v V type 6 cylinder
Code — 6A12TT
Bore/stroke, capacity — 78.4 x 69.0 mm, 1998 cc
Compression ratio — 8.5:1
Fuelling — ECI-MULTI, premium unleaded fuel
Peak power — 177 kW (240 PS) at 6000 rpm
Peak torque — 309 N·m (228 ft·lbf) @ 3500 rpm
that the info i found on a quick search
ultrazonerc
08-04-2008, 06:26 AM
'][TUFFTR].....:cool:
Lol sorry mate, didnt realise you were paul :nuts:
Do you happen to know where I could source a front cut from, im ringing everywhere and no one seems to have the 6g72 N/A in a front cut, most only have the TT setup :cry:
[TUFFTR]
08-04-2008, 04:50 PM
Lol sorry mate, didnt realise you were paul :nuts:
Do you happen to know where I could source a front cut from, im ringing everywhere and no one seems to have the 6g72 N/A in a front cut, most only have the TT setup :cry:
not front cut but i can tell you the whereabouts of a few engines w/gb's
ultrazonerc
09-04-2008, 07:28 AM
That would be perfect my friend, I can use the engine and gbox from that and just get an after market ECU, so where should I call to source the motor and box TuffTR?
ultrazonerc
13-04-2008, 09:58 AM
Who should I give a call?
wombat
24-04-2008, 01:29 PM
hey, if anyone is needing a front cut, i just found this site, they say they have front cuts from GTOs and they also install them on cars.
http://www.japheavenautorecyclers.websyte.com.au/
Lucifer
24-04-2008, 02:06 PM
hey could you guys have a look in the ebay only thread in the for sale section and let me know that what i have posted is correct??
i'm no expert on the 2nd gen engines but from what i can see that engine looks like it may very well bolt in. it also looks to be DOHC??
Engine
Configuration — DOHC 24v V type 6 cylinder
Code — 6A12TT
Bore/stroke, capacity — 78.4 x 69.0 mm, 1998 cc
Compression ratio — 8.5:1
Fuelling — ECI-MULTI, premium unleaded fuel
Peak power — 177 kW (240 PS) at 6000 rpm
Peak torque — 309 N·m (228 ft·lbf) @ 3500 rpm
that the info i found on a quick search
Wrong orientation, that's a third gen orientated engine... Second gens are around the other way. Looks like a newer Galant/Legnum engine.
[TUFFTR]
17-09-2008, 08:35 AM
you dont happen to have those timing covers do ya :P
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