I have bitten the bullet and booked my car in today to get a vapour injected LPG system fitted to my TL. I went with the vapour injection system because i have been told by a couple of good sources that it should maintain power and economy levels in comparison to ULP and not be as susceptible to backfiring.

Yes i know i have mentioned before to many people on AMC that LPG is for BBQ's and i expect a flaming (pun intended) but because the costs of petrol are getting higher and higher and the whole global warming thing is starting to bother me (a sign of getting old!) the environmental benefits and reduction in running costs of LPG have to be considered...

So...what i am interested in hearing is peoples opinions on both LPG systems and your experiences with 3rd gen Magnas on gas. Cheers! :D

I don't have gas but am interested to hear more about it.

Is this a straight gas system or dual fuel? How much is the install setting you back? How many KM's to a tank?

I'm thinking of taking the plunge and getting it done soon too. Does anyone have a pace in Sydney to recommend for getting a good job done at a good price (dual fuel sub $3000).

Cheers, Dave

I don't have gas but am interested to hear more about it.

Is this a straight gas system or dual fuel? How much is the install setting you back? How many KM's to a tank?
Its a dual fuel system that used the petrol injectors electrical signal to fire the gas solenoids (injectors) so there is no mixer as such. I have been told to expect up to 10% worse economy on gas which doesn't bother me as it is doing 10 l/100 combined on petrol so 11/100 on gas at 65 cents per litre (so $7.15 to do 100 kms on gas versus $15 on petrol at $1.50). As for the cost of the installation... Its not cheap! Try $4350 which is $2350 with the rebate. But i did the math and it should have paid for itself in 18 months of average driving.

I put LPG on my TF Verada 3.5 when petrol hit $1 a litre, about 3 1/2 years ago. The initial conversion was CRAP (lesson: cheapest quote need not necessarily be the best) with the bloke using the roughest, sand cast mixer I have ever seen (a simple reverse trumpet, later found to be for a 2.6 litre Holden Rodeo!) and completely deleting the back pressure hose, which meant that the car stalled at about every second set of lights. I don't know where you are, Type40, but if in Sydney, AVOID the LPG fitter in Marrickville. He's the only one there.

Larry Mulder Gas Conversions in Wollongong came to the rescue with a beautifully made ring mixer and a back pressure hose, and the car hasn't missed a beat since. Best economy I've had on LPG was 280km to 22 litres after a day on the Yorke Penninsula in Adelaide. At current prices (68 cpl) I do better than 100 km for every $10 spent, mainly town driving, 60 odd km/h with traffic lights and all that stuff.

You do lose a fair bit of boot, but I also own a ute and a box trailer, so that wasn't an issue. And Magnas have a big boot anyway.

Basically, LPG is your friend!

In my most humble opinion, despite what the politicians say about the price of LPG in Singapore, it will always be less than half of the petrol price. If petrol hits $2.00, LPG will be 0.90. With petrol sittign at 1.60 in Adelaide now, if it doesn't go down i expect gas to climb to 75cpl. My opinion only.

Best thing I did for mine...!!!

I have a parnell vapour system fitted and never had a backfire and driveability is superb.

Managed to get that done for the 3k rebate available in WA so i was ahead from the start.

If you dont want a small performance cut with LPG go for the injected setup but both are good... :D

I don't know where you are, Type40, but if in Sydney, AVOID the LPG fitter in Marrickville. He's the only one there.

Its ok! Im in Geelong but im getting the job done in Melbourne.


Best thing I did for mine...!!!

I have a parnell vapour system fitted and never had a backfire and driveability is superb.

Managed to get that done for the 3k rebate available in WA so i was ahead from the start.

If you dont want a small performance cut with LPG go for the injected setup but both are good... :D
I was quoted $2900 for the mixer system but i really wanted to make sure that it was not going to backfire and be as drivable as possible so i am going injected. Wrexed03 had gas issues with his 3.5 Pajero when it was on the mixer system and did the airflow meter due to backfiring. He has now gone injected and is very happy with it.

ive got it. i also fit them at work. gas injection is the way to plus any car after 2003 if converted to gas legally must be injected. its the best way to go anyway. i would recommend the impco/prinns system as thats what the 380s have and have one of the quiter injectors.

My dads got a factory dedicated TJII

Gas is cheap as, makes sense.

i would recommend the prinns system as thats what the 380s have and have one of the quiter injectors.
The company i am going through uses Eurogas and Parnell. Which would you say is the better of the two?

havent had anything to do with eurogas. as for parnell ive fitted them to a couple pajeros and the costomers have come back saying that its great, no performanse loss and the fuel economy was excellent. but each car is different so its up to you. id ask some ? like what system gives the best results in there opinion.

A tin of baked beans and Ive got enuff gas for everybody lol

Ive had 3 cars on gas and still own 2 of em. Wouldnt be without it. Between em Ive done well over 600,000 k, mostly on gas

Its not just the cheaper running, its the ability to fill both tanks and do huuuuuge distances without needing fuel.

With the lack of 24 hour garages on the roads I drive, big range is a real handy thing to have. :D

AT least you get Huge boot in the 3rd Gens. So what if you might lose 10% power, How often do you use 100% power realistically anyway.

Sounds like you just need a recommended Installer.

Impco Gas System 2005 380

AT least you get Huge boot in the 3rd Gens. So what if you might lose 10% power, How often do you use 100% power realistically anyway.

Sounds like you just need a recommended Installer.

Impco Gas System 2005 380
Im going through a company called Ezygas in Melb. Who i have heard good things about. Thats why im travelling the 100 kms to get this done there! Geelong is full of hacks... One company i went to for a quote said that there was no such thing as an injected system for a 3rd gen Magna. I tell you i live in a backwater!

How have you found the mileage and reliability on your car Shoot? Seeing that you have the injected system.

Its not cheap! Try $4350 which is $2350 with the rebate. But i did the math and it should have paid for itself in 18 months of average driving.

you just gotta make sure you still have the car in at least 2 years time - that way you will have at least 6 months benefit out of it..

thats one of the main reasons i cant ever seeing myself go to gas.. id end up trading the car before id reap any benefits out of the conversion and that would mean ive thrown away money i didnt have to..

Its great, It requires no management at all on my behalf, other than filling it up. The 380 system will even kick over to petrol at WOT. So pressed overtaking is no problems, by the time I'm back in my lane its back on Gas. Neat huh! Starts on petrol changes in 2 mins to gas when cold, 10 secs when warm. I've heard the 3rd Gens trip computer works better with a gas system than a 380, But I cant confirm this. All i get now is use ot the tripometer, trip timer and average speed, No use of average fuel or current fuel use.
Gas is always 61.9 cpl around the corner, and over 6cents off per dollar spent when using a docket. Thats almost a dollar cheaper per litre!

I gave the QLD rep a drive and he was surpised, and I gave a Ralliart driver a go, in a blat against his own car the 380 was only just outdone.

My only wish is that I had a bigger Boot.
But I have no regrets.
Watch out for my post on liter of gas used on a strictly highway run over 300kms.

And Go Cats!!!!!. I was born in Geelong, 14 years there and 2 in Ocean Grove, I so want a run on the GO Road in my car.

Edit: F.Y.I. The xFleet 380 dual fuellers have a modified gas switch, you cant turn the gas off, and when you run outta Gas, you get the loudest Beepin squeal out of the switch unit to make you put more gas in. To replace the switch, I'd reckon $100-200

...yeah ive got gas on mine,had it for over a year now and now problems at all,plus with that tank in the back..instant lowering...(check out my photo on left..has lovells super low,but dropped it even more!!!)sure its slightly down on power,but if you want to fang it ,give it a run on petrol anyway,then i dont feel guilty about driving it on petrol cause its just for short bursts anyway,only cost me $550.00 with the rebate,best thing i ever did,couldnt afford to run it really before on petrol,and then when you use your docket and get four cent off and then be really smart and buy your favourite motor magazine at the same time and get eight cents off...wow.. it really makes it cheap...

Just a quick calculation.

$2000.00 out of pocket expenses. Edit(For an SVI Sequential Vapour Injected System. Others are less)

At 1.00 p/l difference and at 10 litres per 100ks = 20,000k's
plus 10% gas inefficiency = 22,000k's

Some would get their money back in one year. and then start to profit.


Being in a car club with people that love to drive thats not hard to imagine.

Now I drive wherever I want, whenever I want, and I drive like I dont care about the Price of fuel:)

Good on you Type40, its a good feelin.

But if you are going to keep your ride for two years or more, you may want to consider this option. But its not for everybody.







Australian registered motor vehicles each travelled an average of 15,300 kilometres in the 12 months ended 31 October 2003. New South Wales (15,700 kilometres), Victoria (15,700 kilometres) and Queensland (15,400 kilometres) were above the national average, while vehicles registered in Tasmania travelled the least number of kilometres (13,800).
Source: Aus Bur of Stats
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/ProductsbyReleaseDate/3EAAB384EF8D2F62CA2570800072002D?OpenDocument
This includes your Grandma:D

Had LPG in the goon for over two years now without a problem. I got a donut tank so I didn't lose much load space in the back. I can notice the difference when I switch to petrol but for the $$$$$ it all good.

getting around 11 lt/100k on LPG from an injected system. cant be more happier. :bowrofl:

How much did they quote for the injected system?

getting around 11 lt/100k on LPG from an injected system. cant be more happier. :bowrofl:

How much did they quote for the injected system?

Do you still get a fully functioning trip computer when the LPG System is Fitted?

Can you recall the make?

Whats the Rebate in W.A.?

Do you still get a fully functioning trip computer when the LPG System is Fitted?

Can you recall the make?

Whats the Rebate in W.A.?

Revate is $3k. Trip comp shows all info resonably correct except fuel reserve and expected ks. Its a Lo gas system. Not sure why, but LPG milage seems to improve once you change the GAS filters. Fitter says GAS is lot dirty than petrol.

Ze germanz give you ze revate, veddy interezting lol

Just Kidding, 3k thats Huge.

thanks for the Info.

Apparently Fuel quality standards were to be introduced for LPG in 2003. Obviously they are not strict enough.

Any recommended installer in NSW, specifically Sydney?

Also, what is the rebate in NSW?

Lastly any –ve’s for the TF engine, for conversion, which is the 3 litre?

Dave Gas is for BBQ's lol. Sorry mate couldnt resist. Theres good info in this thread. In regards to eurogas and parnel choose the parnel i think its been around longer so any issues or bugs would have been sorted by now.

The great thing with the svi systems they are fully tunable via a laptop providing you have the cable and software and know what your doing.

The older systems are more of a hit and miss from what i have seen and experienced.
No offence to anyone running the older systems.

Do it once do it right and you will enjoy it and the savings too.

Shame i didnt go the injected system in the first place. It cost me big time anyway thats life :) Happy to be injected now.

Regards

I feel it is compulsory that I post in this thread.......

yerp, just did a whopper - 7.3 on the richter scale.

In my most humble opinion, despite what the politicians say about the price of LPG in Singapore, it will always be less than half of the petrol price. If petrol hits $2.00, LPG will be 0.90. With petrol sittign at 1.60 in Adelaide now, if it doesn't go down i expect gas to climb to 75cpl. My opinion only.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but teh excise on LPG is locked in to increase. Your LPG will be around a dollar a litre soon enough and WILL go higher.


you just gotta make sure you still have the car in at least 2 years time - that way you will have at least 6 months benefit out of it..

thats one of the main reasons i cant ever seeing myself go to gas.. id end up trading the car before id reap any benefits out of the conversion and that would mean ive thrown away money i didnt have to..

And that's where most people **** up. They get gas fitted, but are only doing 10-15k kms a year, then sell teh car in 2 years, thinking they've saved money.
Gas is only worth it if you're doing over 25-30k kms a year, and will keep the car till it explodes.

Regards, Andrew.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but teh excise on LPG is locked in to increase. Your LPG will be around a dollar a litre soon enough and WILL go higher.



And that's where most people **** up. They get gas fitted, but are only doing 10-15k kms a year, then sell teh car in 2 years, thinking they've saved money.
Gas is only worth it if you're doing over 25-30k kms a year, and will keep the car till it explodes.

Regards, Andrew.

at $1.00 per litre, it will still be cheaper than petrol at this current stage and later on, even with consumption being slightly higher.

if anyone knows dave well enough, he doesn't do the 10-15k km per year he does around the 20k-30k km per year, and he had no intentions to sell the car anytime soon, if records speak for itself, the TF that he sold previously had over 300k km on the clock, this current TL he has had just done 100k km. we won't include his 380 in this as its irrelevent.

My AWD is on Gas for about a year now but it's not been driven since the arrival of my lotus elise. the AWD does 12-14l/100km on LPG, the elise is doing 5.5-5.7l/100km on normal unleaded.

My AWD is on Gas for about a year now but it's not been driven since the arrival of my lotus elise. the AWD does 12-14l/100km on LPG, the elise is doing 5.5-5.7l/100km on normal unleaded.

hmm maybe i should upgrade to one of them then...

hmm maybe i should upgrade to one of them then...

Somehow I don't think the baby bonus is enough for one of those :P

']Somehow I don't think the baby bonus is enough for one of those :P

it'll be enough for a deposit and if i sell the TL i should be right... but... there won't be space for a baby sit

it'll be enough for a deposit and if i sell the TL i should be right... but... there won't be space for a baby seat
Buy a house first man:P

I have gas at the moment!

Hope I was the first to say that, else I will look like a fool.

Edit: DAMN IT, should have read the thread first.

I bought a Sprintgas system for my TE about a year ago - has given excellent economy and reliability and has paid for itself several times over. It cost me $1350 (cost price) and installed it myself (licensed :badgrin: ).

The system is integrated witht he factory ECU, so when you start, it always cranks on petrol then switches over to gas after it has settled on idle. It manages the injectors, check engine light and it uses the signal from the oxygen sensor to trim the gas flow thru a PWM valve on the gas feed. Gas is fed to the engine thru a diffuser ring that bolts onto the throttle body.

The tank is 70 litres but rarely takes more than 45 litres when filling - we get about 500km on the freeway and about 350km around town - only costs about $25 to fil it!!! :bowrofl:

Whilst the economy is great and driveability is smooth... performance does suffer. Whilst many people have their own theory as to why this happens, I reckon mine is the best.

Becasue the ratio of LPG:air on a gas car is much much greater than fuel:air a petrol car, you have much less volume of air to continue the burn after the gas/fuel has provided the explosion - so whilst the bang is more stable with the higher RON, the burn loses intensity after the bang becasue there is less air. Make sense? You can advance the ignition a little to take advantage of the RON but in the end you can only make so much power out of a given amount of comustion.

Can't wait for 50 posts so I can sell the gas kit :doubt:

Know any good installers of the injection system in the Brisbane area? Tessa, you said you have a doughnut shaped cylinder in the spare tyre well. What have you got in place in case you get a flat?

Know any good installers of the injection system in the Brisbane area? Tessa, you said you have a doughnut shaped cylinder in the spare tyre well. What have you got in place in case you get a flat?
You just bought up something i haven't looked into... I wonder if i could do the doughnut tank in mine. Also, what sort of usable capacity do doughnut tanks have?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but teh excise on LPG is locked in to increase. Your LPG will be around a dollar a litre soon enough and WILL go higher.
Yes this is true. The excise will hit 12.5 cpl by 2015. I have no doubt that LPG will hit $1 p/l and go even higher but while LPG is at $1, petrol will probably be at $3 by then and i know that with the system that i am fitting i will still be enjoying cheap fuel with gas consumption at around 10% greater than petrol. Win win really. :D And i do intend on keeping the car!
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/lpg_mbm-info_figure1_567x355.jpg

http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Internet/Primary/my+car/advice+&+information/fuel/

damn, being in WA a gas conversion would be worth it even if i sold the car in a year and only did 5000km's as our rebate is $3k.

only problem is atm my car still belongs to my dad which is in his business name. was gonna be like that until i paid it off, but I might try convince him to make it private so i can fit gas.

i would love to know more about gas, more specifically,
best gas system ie brand, inejction type etc,
hmm, atm im running a unichip tuned to 98, would i keep this, or would i have to go back to stock?
what effect my small mods will make, custom CAI with pod, straight through exhaust, etc..
is it possible to do straight gas and replace the fuel tank with gas tank?
what would be the pros and cons etc.

hmm, gotta get my car back on the road first. but i will do that asap, cant survive without my car.

Go buy a Falcon E-Gas car fully runs on LPG NO PETROL cheap as chips:D

As i have said before - just do it!! You won't be dissapointed.

My gas conversion is a non injected type, but it still has plenty of power, and I can run the car for the price of a tiny 4 cyl!

You just bought up something i haven't looked into... I wonder if i could do the doughnut tank in mine. Also, what sort of usable capacity do doughnut tanks have?

I drive a Wagon so the spare is mouted upright on the left hand side of the load area.

Whats the turn around time for getting the gov rebate of $2000? Ie, how long after you submit the claim do you get refunded?

Whats the turn around time for getting the gov rebate of $2000? Ie, how long after you submit the claim do you get refunded?
About a week or so i have been told.

Hehe, I work in the call centre that processes those claims. I could get it fast-tracked to a day :P

Hehe, I work in the call centre that processes those claims. I could get it fast-tracked to a day :P
Can i claim it again lol Couldnt resist.

So...what i am interested in hearing is peoples opinions on both LPG systems and your experiences with 3rd gen Magnas on gas. Cheers! :D

I'm running both systems on 2 3rd gens with no dramas whatsoever, however I would reccomend the newer type for power, fuel consumption. Stick a straight through exhaust on & you'll never know it's on LPG. Plus service costs are cheaper.


Im going through a company called Ezygas in Melb. Who i have heard good things about. Thats why im travelling the 100 kms to get this done there! Geelong is full of hacks... One company i went to for a quote said that there was no such thing as an injected system for a 3rd gen Magna. I tell you i live in a backwater!


Have you tried J & R in Geelong? They have a waiting list, however they kit out a lot of cars for the dealerships down there, and were reccomended to me by Rex Gorell, plus Blood Toyota.

I did however get both of my cars done through ELKO in Bayswater as there was no waiting list, ie both cars were done within 2 weeks of booking, plus a loan car for free.


You just bought up something i haven't looked into... I wonder if i could do the doughnut tank in mine. Also, what sort of usable capacity do doughnut tanks have?

AFAIK no-one will fit a donut to a sedan, something to do with no safe place for the spare. Donut tank holds less anyway..50l usable instead of 60 in the regular.



About a week or so i have been told.

..between 5 - 10 working days it'll be in your bank account. :D

I have had my car converted and running on gas for nearly a year. I had some funny business about 6 months after conversion where the ignition would fire and then die out straight away.

I was told it might be a problem with the key, or with the battery or with the LPG/Fuel. Got both battery and key checked and both seem fine and after a month or two of trouble the problem has not come back???:confused:

Still, having the car on gas is so much better cost wise.

I had some funny business about 6 months after conversion where the ignition would fire and then die out straight away.


I have the same problem intermittently with the wagon, (mixer sytstem) It's the LPG system. I brought it back to the installer who fixed it but it re-appears every now & then.

Thanks alscall for your reply. JR gas is just up the road from my work and i have heard good things about them but he was trying to steer me toward the draw through system saying that there is neglegable benefit in the injected system considering the extra cost involved. This didnt sit to well with me as my good buddy Joe (hi Wrexed03!) had a draw through system on his Pajero and was less than happy and went injected anyway. So because of his personal experience i decided that you get what you pay for and am going the vapour injected system. That said my step Dad is getting a draw through system fitted to his TJ auto (at Ezygas) in the next couple of weeks so i will keep everyone posted on his success or lack of with his conversion.

JR gas is just up the road from my work and i have heard good things about them but he was trying to steer me toward the draw through system saying that there is neglegable benefit in the injected system considering the extra cost involved.

....that surprises me as he actually tried to get me to install a parnell injected system to my TJ :nuts: .

I'm only a few ks north of Geelong & you're more than welcome if you want to come & see the difference between 2 magnas with different setups.

BTW: If you have anyintention of sound deadening your boot/ parcel shelf, do it BEFORE you go ahead with the installation. Unlike me...:rant:

I'm only a few ks north of Geelong & you're more than welcome if you want to come & see the difference between 2 magnas with different setups.


PM sent.

I got gas lol on a recent trip 600kms on the fway I get about 10/11l per 100kms and in town its about 14l per 100kms

can anyone recommend an installer in perth they've used? I've got a couple of quotes from various places all around the $3k mark, don't really know the difference between different systems except that the 'vapour injected' system is more expensive ?? whereas the other system is essentially free after getting back a total of $2k + $1k from subsidies

this is for a tj vr-x btw

whereas the other system is essentially free after getting back a total of $2k + $1k from subsidies

this is for a tj vr-x btw


Try here... (http://www.nowwhere.com.au/lpga/locator/default.aspx?category=INSTALLERS)

BTW: If you're going to get a $3k grant get the injection method. You'll feel like you're driving a standard Magna instead of a VRX with the loss of power associated with the mixer method.

Not me, but you guys have given me an idea for my English Assignment :)
I'm gonna do a feature article on (basically) LPG v Petrol/Why people should change to LPG.
I'm going to have a good look through this thread later for stuff but if anyone has some useful facts, a testimonial or some good sites to visit, I'd be interested, and also, if possible can you post links to where you find information etc.

Cheers!

Here's where I started
http://www.lpgautogas.com.au/

Not me, but you guys have given me an idea for my English Assignment :)
I'm gonna do a feature article on (basically) LPG v Petrol/Why people should change to LPG.
I'm going to have a good look through this thread later for stuff but if anyone has some useful facts, a testimonial or some good sites to visit, I'd be interested, and also, if possible can you post links to where you find information etc.

Cheers!
I may have unleashed a monster! I hope the assignment goes well. There are a lot of people here who's brains are worth picking.

I may have unleashed a monster! I hope the assignment goes well. There are a lot of people here who's brains are worth picking.

not mine for sure... i'm still a petrol head :P

not mine for sure... i'm still a petrol head :P
And he is now a....Gas_Hed :D *ba-dum-tish*

How does the rebate system work?
Do you pay for the lot up front and then claim the rebate or does the company fitting the gas system claim it on your behalf and you foot the difference?

How does the rebate system work?


You pay upfront for the whole lot, fill in some paperwork, drop it into a Medicare office & you should have your money in your bank a/c within 10 working days.

Try here... (http://www.nowwhere.com.au/lpga/locator/default.aspx?category=INSTALLERS)

BTW: If you're going to get a $3k grant get the injection method. You'll feel like you're driving a standard Magna instead of a VRX with the loss of power associated with the mixer method.

thanks for the info.
Can you tell me .. is the 'sprintgas' system a injection or mixer method?
what price should i expect to pay above the $3k subsidies for an injection system?

ta!

Can you tell me .. is the 'sprintgas' system a injection or mixer method?
what price should i expect to pay above the $3k subsidies for an injection system?

ta!

I've no idea which type of system it is. the price tag should tell you. Injection method will cost a little over $4k before rebates.

So whats the repercussions if I fit LPG to a Regular 3rd gen or a 3rd gen with the N01 and LPG fitted head option.
I'm sure you ppl must have LPG fitted without ascertaining that you have the LPG Stamp on the head.

I want to get a TJ-TL for the missus, and want to BBQ it.

And can some post a pic of a boot with a tank in it please.


I really want a Rada, but the chances of getting one with the LPG ready heads are looking real bad, so far.

AFAIK the only difference between LPG ready heads and non-ready heads are the valve seals, which are designed for the higher temperature operation of lpg. All this means is that your valve seals will wear quicker, and you'll need to replace them, but when you do just chuck the lpg ready ones in and you'll be fine. You can tell when the valves start wearing out, you'll get blue smoke out of the exhaust in the mornings and sometimes at idle.

Valve seals, can you just chuck em in from the top or does the head come off.
Can I ask where you got the Info from or is it an educated guess.
No offence, we are thinkin of spendin 12g ( inc Trade)

And has anyone had problems with valves and/or seats.

Valve seals, can you just chuck em in from the top or does the head come off.
Can I ask where you got the Info from or is it an educated guess.
No offence, we are thinkin of spendin 12g ( inc Trade)

And has anyone had problems with valves and/or seats.


I think its the valve seats/valve guides.... in the chamber, NOT the valve stem seals....
There is less lubrication with the LPG so they dont last. this is where you will need to run petrol every 2-3 tanks to lubricate the stems. Correct me anyone if i'm wrong.
Heads come off for that.:doubt:

I know of some LPG installations where a oil feeder has been fitted to help lubricate the head, at an oil cost of about $25.00 for every 10 tanks or so ( cant exactly recall).
I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet.

you can get an aftermarket kit.
Its Moreys upper cylinder lubricant kit (http://www.moreyoil.co.nz/details.php?&name=MOREYS+++UPPER+CYLINDER+LUBRICANTcatID=11&productID=7). Supercheap sells it, or at least they did when i worked there, maybe someone can shed some light on this?

Looks like they have a power booster pump or a vacuum pump to deliver the lube whilst running on gas. Penrite has a product recommended delivery of 4-5 drops per minute.

This doesn't seem to apply to modern systems, there is a oil system for this but not available to joe public yet.

And for the old systems owners and 2nd genners I found this.
LPG backfire had shattered the plastic PCV valve.
The ball bearing inside the valve had found its way between the timing chain and its sprocket...
So... rebuild or replace - either way, she's in the shop for a while and it aint gonna be cheap.
The worst bit? Metal PCV valves are available for $10

So whats the repercussions if I fit LPG to a Regular 3rd gen or a 3rd gen with the N01 and LPG fitted head option.
I'm sure you ppl must have LPG fitted without ascertaining that you have the LPG Stamp on the head.

I want to get a TJ-TL for the missus, and want to BBQ it.

And can some post a pic of a boot with a tank in it please.


I really want a Rada, but the chances of getting one with the LPG ready heads are looking real bad, so far.


None of my 3 Magnas have been LPG compatible.

The TE, which I sold @ 220ks had no problems at all and ran perfect.

The TL & TJ are both running fine, the TL's been on gas for 50ks with no problems so far & the TJ's only recently.

AFAIK, no 'radas came LPG ready from factory but I could be wrong.

I'll get a pic of the TJ boot later if a phone pic'll do?

I think its the valve seats/valve guides.... in the chamber, NOT the valve stem seals....
There is less lubrication with the LPG so they dont last. this is where you will need to run petrol every 2-3 tanks to lubricate the stems. Correct me anyone if i'm wrong.
Heads come off for that.:doubt:

Correct.

Most installers will reccomend you run the car on petrol for at least 20 minutes every week on petrol to stop this happening.

You can have a valve saver system fitted as well, which basically drips that valve saver people use when running their car on unleaded petrol when the car was built to run on leaded.

TL Boot (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29136&d=1173006612).....not mine but you get the idea :badgrin:

Mines not LPG compatible and its not stopping me from fitting it!

Just got back from a trip to Midstate Mopars in Bendigo, about $30 all up return trip. :cool: Squirted it a few times on the way up to show the RT's, Pacers and Cuda's who's boss in 2008.




















OK they left me for dead.........

Mines not LPG compatible and its not stopping me from fitting it!

Like has been stated there are Cheap "Fixes" with adding oils and lubricants...
But its not the best way.

Some have asked if the trip computer still works after switching.

With the mixer system, mine doesn't work. With the injection it does - reasonably accurately.

Trip Computer
Total Ks driven 963
Total Fuel used 117.5l
Avge l/100kms 12.2l

Actual
Total Ks driven 963
Total Fuel used 121l
Avge l/100kms 12.56l

Pretty good fuel consumption for an AWD :badgrin:

Like has been stated there are Cheap "Fixes" with adding oils and lubricants...
But its not the best way.
Im not fitting any cheap fix to mine. I will run it on ULP from time to time so i am confident it will be ok. I have a spare set of heads in the shed that if i feel the need to get the harder inserts fitted i can with those.

Just found a 2001 TJ Solara with the LPG heads, 97000 km, Great Cond, Belt not done, 11000, Going to see what trade/deal they can do on a 98 nubira.

Just a few questions.

Can 3rd gen Magna's have the donut style tanks in the spare wheel area like commodore's? I would be prepared to get rid of the spare wheel all together if i can have a tank in there.

Also, can people post some photos of the engine bay / setup with the gas system installed.

Thanks.

Nige.

wagon's can have the donut tank but sedan's can't.

I Just got quoted $2750 for mixer system for the 96 TE with "Long life plugs which cost around $150"

i said where do i sign up and he said "5 months waiting period" before he can get me in.....

Pass

EDIT!

Found a place that will do it for $2800 for the mixer system.
or $2650 with a reconditioned tank. Both include free first service.
The run full diagnostics on the car/computer ect before and after to ensure it running well.

Also she said it shouldnt backfire unless you dont service it properly. And you can get a backfire thing for your airbox to minimise this for $150 if it does become a problem but they havent had many problems before.

and can book it in in 4 weeks.

YAY!

EDIT again!
so i put together a formula for making my money back
i over and under estimated fule consumption to not get to excited.
$1.65 Litre X 10L /100km (i realise i get worse than this) = $16.50per 100km
$0.70 Litre x 14L / 100km (i realise you get better than this) = $9.80per 100km
$16.50 - $9.80 = $6.70 saving per 100km

$800 installation after rebate / $6.70 per 100 km = 120 = 120 X 100km = make money back in 12,000 KM.

Sound ok. im thinking more realistically like 12l/100km for petrol 13l/100 gas. Probally bring it down to making money back in 7500km.

AN ideas thoughts?

Its crap, prices in Perth are inflated, we get an extra $1000 subsidy from the state goverment so $3000 in total. But I rang more than 10 places and the cheapest one was $3300.

Ollie

Can you have a donut in a sedan if you mention to them that you arn't going to carry a spare wheel?
There is no physical reason why you cant have a donut tank in a sedan.

Also, which systems use which guages to show gas levels? i.e., seperate guages or do some use the existing fuel guage.

Does anyone have pictures of the gas/petrol buttons? Where are guys putting them so they dont look that intrusive and also, does anyone have pics of the filler holes?
Are they in with the fuel filler or a seperate hole drilled in a rear quarter pannel?

Thanks.

Its crap, prices in Perth are inflated, we get an extra $1000 subsidy from the state goverment so $3000 in total. But I rang more than 10 places and the cheapest one was $3300.

Ollie

paying $300 for a gas conversion i still very good.
but as i would be after the best system possible. i always find that going the cheap option is more expensive in the long run.. i will expect to have to pay $1000 give or take after the rebate.

only othe problem is that most places have 4month queues atm..

Does anyone have pictures of the gas/petrol buttons? Where are guys putting them so they dont look that intrusive and also, does anyone have pics of the filler holes?
Are they in with the fuel filler or a seperate hole drilled in a rear quarter pannel?

Sorry for the crappy pics, but you get the idea :D


Gas Guage/ Button, just below, to the left of steering wheel. Has 4 green lights when full, 1 red when 1/4 left etc.


http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gasguagecs0.jpg


Filler Holes. It's a tight squeeze but I can access both without having to undo the other one. In the wagon, however, they're a bit closer together & have to undo the petrol cap before I can undo the LPG one. :cry:


http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fillerholeske0.jpg



Hmmm... Why can't I get pics to show instead of links? Must try & fix that.....

Talked to the gas guy that did my 380, he qouted 3300 for a system to suit a TW, was the MMAL factory kit*, but he said if I was going to keep the car, get a SVI (sequential vapour Injection) system. He said More reliable, effecient, and a couple of other benefits....
But the really interesting thing was he would fit (mod) the Impco Sequent 56 380 System with a different tank better suited to a magna's enormous boot to a TW for me, I told him it was the same as a TL mostly, But he said it would work, and for $4000 neat, If the TW pans out, I'm in.


I have also seen a taxi fitted with a doughnut tank and a false floor for the spare, better suited to suitcase accommadation, I suppose.






*These still pass emission standards for cars 04 and on. Thats the pre throttle body type.

But the really interesting thing was he would fit (mod) the Impco Sequent 56 380 System with a different tank better suited to a magna's enormous boot to a TW for me, I told him it was the same as a TL mostly, But he said it would work, and for $4000 neat, If the TW pans out, I'm in.


I'm sure the injection systems are all the same; just modified to each car. My system has been installed in XR6T's, by my installer apparantly. Just modified to suit the Magna. :doubt:

I don't know how true that is, but it's what he told me. Capable of up to 250KW, then cuts out, I think.

Prolly Not the same (IMO), Different controllers made by different manufacurers, but one manufacturers controller will be sold with different pipes, injectors, leads, tanks and brackets to make different kits.
Several Installers I've talked with will only stay with some brands and not use others.

Where's a LPG installer when you need one. hy_boi get your mate in to help us all out.

That's what i meant. Each injection system is different but is modified by the manufacturer/ installer to suit different cars.

For example, I've got an ELKO system that has, apparently been modified to fit both a XR6T & a Magna plus who knows what else.

If that makes any sense??:confused:

I'm sure the injection systems are all the same;




That's what i meant. Each injection system is different but is modified by the manufacturer/ installer to suit different cars.




If that makes any sense??:confused:


I see where you are coming from.:shifty:

I see where you are coming from.:shifty:

mmm, you've got me confused now :badgrin:

Parnell make a system for the Magna but from what I understand, the system, (controller/ computer) is the same system everyone gets when they install a parnell system in their car. The tank, pipes, mounting brackets, etc are the variables that are specific to each car.

Making more sense?

Yeah, I'm all good. I'm really just a good hearted Bustardo with warped sense of humour.

Yeah, I'm all good. I'm really just a good hearted Bustardo with warped sense of humour.
That hasn't escaped my notice...

Can you have a donut in a sedan if you mention to them that you arn't going to carry a spare wheel?
There is no physical reason why you cant have a donut tank in a sedan.



You are probably right.

The reason they have it is in wagons if you fold down the seats than you will have this massive gas tank in the middle of the boot which would be pretty crap..

In a sedan, its probably almost as convenient to have a tank at the back of the boot than have a spare wheel int he middle of it. And the donut tanks are a bit more expensive, and much smaller so you get very little range. Hence they probably dont usually recommend them for sedan's but if you want one im sure its possible.

Ollie

My wife tells me that you need a spare tyre, or your car is unroadworthy.
Qld Transport 13 years.
My logic does too.

Thats not the only thing my wife tells me.

Did you like the Impco 380 to TL/TW info Type40??

And you can't carry lots of luggage in a falcodore with a bottle tank, my ol'man takes a trailer to the airport to pick up interstate visitors in his commode.

Did you like the Impco 380 to TL/TW info Type40??
Yes i did... The kits that i have to choose from are either Eurogas or Parnell... If anyone has an opinion on which is best that would be appreciated. I have been steered toward the Parnell system because they have been in Australia for a long time so parts and service for the system should be easier to obtain. However, im not sure if it is the better system of the 2.

Parnells head office at Laverton is a good thing, experts just up the road.

The smell of fuggy old vapors led me here ... and ...oh! Sh00t and Type40 (you should put the lid on your Dalek, half the smell is coming from him) lol :P

That's what puts me off a bit; taking a trailer to the airport to pick up my mum!

Type40 (you should put the lid on your Dalek, half the smell is coming from him) lol
Thats a spoiler for the new series... Sorry... :D


Parnells head office at Laverton is a good thing, experts just up the road.

Excellent! Im glad you told me that. Seeing as im getting the gas done in Sunshine my guess is that they will steer me to a Parnell system if their HQ is just near them. Im all for after sales service!

My wife tells me that you need a spare tyre, or your car is unroadworthy.
Qld Transport 13 years.
My logic does too.



Still, I would probably rather just have a spare wheel, could even get a space saver spare, instead of a big gas tank in the boot.

Ollie

Magnas wont have worry about boot space, I'm surprised the mafia don't use em. They could do 4 hits a night and still have room for a tank.:badgrin:

Yes i did... The kits that i have to choose from are either Eurogas or Parnell... If anyone has an opinion on which is best that would be appreciated. I have been steered toward the Parnell system because they have been in Australia for a long time so parts and service for the system should be easier to obtain. However, im not sure if it is the better system of the 2.

Dave go with parnell. I tried to get some info out of Eurogas when i was hunting for mine. Emails were not replied to. That doesnt make me feel comfortable due to their lacking communications. This is why i chose another company whom does respond to my enquiries as well as their manufacturer.

Regards

Cool, i dont really care if its not roadworthy. Doesnt worry me.

My question is then, what happens with those cars with run flat tyres? The reason they have them is so they dont have to carry a spare wheel.
I know people will say, its legal because they have run flats, but my argument is, everyone i know and have heard of with run flats are now changing them for normal tyres because run flats are to harsh. That raises the question if their cars are now unroadworthy without runflats.

Any pics guys of the different types under the hood?

Also, in terms of gas guages, do some use your existing fuel guage, and if so, which ones?

Oh yeah, just another thing, how do i know if my engine is LPG ready? and can you keep the Verada plastic engine cover with a LPG system or do the need room under that?
Thanks.

Dave go with parnell. I tried to get some info out of Eurogas when i was hunting for mine. Emails were not replied to. That doesnt make me feel comfortable due to their lacking communications. This is why i chose another company whom does respond to my enquiries as well as their manufacturer.

Regards
I just called them to inquire as to which brand of system they are to fit and was told Romano. Now, i have asked if they can fit Parnell instead of the Romano and they said they can. I hope i have made the right decision! I had never heard of Romano...

Just spoke to Ezygas who seem to be very profesional from what i can see and from what i have heard.

A mixer style is $2500, so $500 out of pocket with rebate. Guy was honest enough to say that backfiring is still possible with this system.

I said i wanted the SVI system, and its $4500, so $2500 out of pocket with rebate. He said you can never get backfiring with vapour injection, aparently it just isnt possible, and he said you will never fault it and cant tell the difference between fuel and gas. He mentioned that you actually get more power with SVI gas than petorl.
As for the donut tank in the boot of a sedan, he said, thats fine, no probs at all. All you have to do aparently to get around the spare wheel problem is carry a can of tyre weld(spray) and a small compressor.
A donut tank is another $300 due to tank cost and installation.

SVI is looking good to me and i can do it with no tank visable in the boot. Even better.

Only 5 week wait also which is good.

Oh yeah, and that is a Eurogas system. He said he would install any system for me including the impco if i want but he genuinly believes the eurogas is the best system on the market.

ANyone got this system?

Booked in for Gaspower Australia for september. getting back the entire amount of the install, hurray for the WA rebate.

BBQ mobile here we come!

Just spoke to Ezygas who seem to be very profesional from what i can see and from what i have heard.

A mixer style is $2500, so $500 out of pocket with rebate. Guy was honest enough to say that backfiring is still possible with this system.

I said i wanted the SVI system, and its $4500, so $2500 out of pocket with rebate. He said you can never get backfiring with vapour injection, aparently it just isnt possible, and he said you will never fault it and cant tell the difference between fuel and gas. He mentioned that you actually get more power with SVI gas than petorl.
As for the donut tank in the boot of a sedan, he said, thats fine, no probs at all. All you have to do aparently to get around the spare wheel problem is carry a can of tyre weld(spray) and a small compressor.
A donut tank is another $300 due to tank cost and installation.

SVI is looking good to me and i can do it with no tank visable in the boot. Even better.

Only 5 week wait also which is good.

Oh yeah, and that is a Eurogas system. He said he would install any system for me including the impco if i want but he genuinly believes the eurogas is the best system on the market.

ANyone got this system?
I am getting Ezygas to do my conversion but i am getting the Parnell system through advice from Wrexed03. Originally they were to fit the Romano system but i had never heard of that so i avoided it. You were quoted $4500 for the svi system? I managed to get mine for $4350. Try doing a deal with them on the phone. I mentioned that i had been recommended them by a relative and he knocked $$$ off straight away! Give that a shot. Also, which outlet are you going to? I will be going through the Sunshine outlet for my conversion.

Discount. Nice work.
My installer wouldn't discount even if DNA tests proved I was his father, but with an eight week wait, and 4g for a SVI, who can blame him. Though he know knows we have a mutual friend (another installer) but he might put the price up for that. he he he

Discount. Nice work.
My installer wouldn't discount even if DNA tests proved I was his father, but with an eight week wait, and 4g for a SVI, who can blame him.
Was it an 8 week wait for the DNA tests or the LPG conversion??? :D

By the way... Never pay full price if you can avoid it! lol

The reason it was $4500 was because of eurogas which was the most expensive.

He said he can do the others a few hunderd cheaper but he highly recomended the eurogas.

They are about to open a branch in Hallam in 5 weeks so will go there.

Only down side is that they said they dont hook up the gas level to the fuel guage. They use to do it but dont anymore which is a real shame and also therefor cant hide the switch bwcause it has to be in the line of sight due to the gas level being on it.

Oh yeah, does anyone on here have the SVI type with fuel guage hook up? If so, who installed it?

A small world.

I was telling my boss at work that i am putting the AWD on gas. Turns out he is good mates with the guy who ownes and setup ezygas.

My boss had a chat to this guy who then rang me.

I spoke to him about gas on the AWD. Was good to talk to someone with no crap and knows what they are talking about.

He said that the Eurogas SVI system is the best by a long shot. He siad he will more than happily install what system i want, but he strongly recomended i go the eurogas system. Aparently its light years ahead of the others in terms of technology and quality.

I asked if he could install the empco SVI system and he said sure, but said why install an inferior system for the sake of a few hundred dollars.
He said in a nice way, 'at the end of the day mate, i have that many bookings i dont have to sell up products, but im just being honest with you.'
He mentioned that the Eurogas system is absolutely bulletproof. He said that other than filling up your car with gas, you would never know it was on gas even when changing from fuel to gas. Absolutely un-noticable.
LIfetime warranty on job too is a good comfort.
I also told him i wanted a good clean installation that looks factory and he then told me that the company has won that many awards for the best/neatest installations.

The picture off the webside is his XR8 and he said all the installs are upto this standard.

I just booked my 2nd gen in for the conversion.
Got a mate that has an 02 VRx that he had converted a month ago and he says good things. Mainly the Running cost being considerably lower.

I am only paying $600 out of my pocket with the 2k Govt Rebate and after that less than 70c/Ltr. to me that is too good to pass up.

I also have heard that the vechile loses about 30% power and consumption with the conversion but not is you are running Dual Fuel.

If you run ULP after the conversion will you still loose the 30% or will the car run as Expected before the conversion took place.
I suppose I will need to wait til after mine is done and comment back.

guys

do you think having a 3rd gen converted to LPG would HELP or HURT it's resale value?

Has anyone in Sydney done the injection conversion for the 3rd gen? And what is the verdict?

I have had an impco mixer system for 3 years the car runs better on LPG than it does on petrol, The power loss is sweet fa.
It's done 80,000 ks on gas and never once back fired, I get around 420 ks in town and 600 + hwy from 64 lt. the switch is the size of 5 cent coin and it uses the original fuel gauge.
TJ 3.5 auto, the only thing the installer said was not to change over fuel while driving, Stop turn it off then switch, its work for me
LPG conversion in Tullamarine 93303555

Righty "O"...

I now have the car back after 4 days. All i have to say is that there is no difference on LPG as opposed to ULP! I am stoked! Admittedly the conversion was a dearer one but i reckon it has been worth every cent (so far!) The tidyness of the underbonnet has me one happy camper and i even got to keep the engine cover!

I will be taking it to the drags and seeing what time it gets lol Just to compare the differences but i know the car has put on 80 kg so it may have dulled off a little there.

As for fuel consumption, i will wait till it gets its first service so that wont be for another 1000 kms but at the moment the trip computer (which still works!!!) is showing an average of 9.3 l/100 :D Sensational!

Hey there Type40.

Did you go the donut tank in the spare wheel area?

I've got mine booked in for the eurogas SVI system with donut tank.

How do you know it was 80kg weight gain? Also, how much of that was the tank because remember, if you got the donut tank, you have to componstae for the weight saving not having a spare tyre.

I will do height measurments on the car before inc spare tyre and after with no tyre but gas tank instead.

You should post pictures mate, especially under the hood and of the switch.

Did you get the upper cylinder head lube system installed? Tey said RRP is about 150 installed but they usually chuck it in for free.

Hey there Type40.

Did you go the donut tank in the spare wheel area?

I've got mine booked in for the eurogas SVI system with donut tank.

How do you know it was 80kg weight gain? Also, how much of that was the tank because remember, if you got the donut tank, you have to componstae for the weight saving not having a spare tyre.

I will do height measurments on the car before inc spare tyre and after with no tyre but gas tank instead.

You should post pictures mate, especially under the hood and of the switch.

Did you get the upper cylinder head lube system installed? Tey said RRP is about 150 installed but they usually chuck it in for free.

YOu will have to drop over mate once done as I woudl be curious to have a look, might look to convert the TF it is all neat enough

Hey there Type40.

Did you go the donut tank in the spare wheel area?

I've got mine booked in for the eurogas SVI system with donut tank.

How do you know it was 80kg weight gain? Also, how much of that was the tank because remember, if you got the donut tank, you have to componstae for the weight saving not having a spare tyre.

I will do height measurments on the car before inc spare tyre and after with no tyre but gas tank instead.

You should post pictures mate, especially under the hood and of the switch.

Did you get the upper cylinder head lube system installed? Tey said RRP is about 150 installed but they usually chuck it in for free.
I went for the regular tank behind the seat. Surprisingly it is quite compact so the boot is still usable but if i had kids and needed space for a pram it might be a little tight...

As for the 80kg's im simply going off what they told me. It might be closer to 100 but in all seriousness the car just feels as though you have an extra person on board. The ride height hasnt changed much if any but i have noticed the rear suspension cushions bumps slightly better. I didnt go for the upper cylinder lube. I personally dont think that it needs it. The car warms up on petrol on the initial cold start till about 1/3 on the temp gauge so i feel there is plenty of fuel there to keep the valves wet enough, besides i have a spare set of heads if i need to replace valves and seats...

I will post some pics up soon... The camera shat the card so i am off in a sec to get a new one.

Yeah i was told that the upper lube isnt needed due to as you said, the petrol start every time but they said they will throw it in for nothing anyway so why not.

Thanks for the pics when they come mate.

Thanks for the pics when they come mate.
Just for you Family Wagoon! :D

Obviously the petrol/gas switch...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics001.jpg

LPG tank...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics006.jpg

Fuel flapper...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics007.jpg

Gas converter and ECU...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics005.jpg

Engine cover fitted...(Notice the NZ cai! :thumbsup: )

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics002.jpg

Not fitted...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics008.jpg

Left injector bank

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics009.jpg

Right injector bank

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics010.jpg

Gee thats very neat.
You can see why they have won awards for neat installations.

Is that a standard air intake tube to the air box?

Whats attached to the back of the air filter?

Mine has the air intake over the radiator.

Also, is that the standard A/C capor line running down the left of the engine? Gee, they have changed under the hood a bit since the KJ's.

How do they get the gas into each individual cylinder? Do they piggy back the fuel injector or something?

Gee thats very neat.
You can see why they have won awards for neat installations.

Is that a standard air intake tube to the air box?
Thats the famous NZ cai! Its worth about 10 kw and 10 nm from what i have heard and it really only suits the later TL/W front. Although it does fit a TE/J. And yes, you do notice it.


Whats attached to the back of the air filter?
Thats the gas ECU if you are talking about the silver box thingie.




Also, is that the standard A/C capor line running down the left of the engine? Gee, they have changed under the hood a bit since the KJ's.
Yep, certainly is!


How do they get the gas into each individual cylinder? Do they piggy back the fuel injector or something?
If you look at the 2nd last pic you will see where the black rubber hose goes into the back of the injector on the manifold. From what i understand they use the signal from the petrol injector to fire the gas one which is the solenoids you see next to the inlet manifold.

Gee thats very neat.
You can see why they have won awards for neat installations.

Is that a standard air intake tube to the air box?

Whats attached to the back of the air filter?

Mine has the air intake over the radiator.

Also, is that the standard A/C capor line running down the left of the engine? Gee, they have changed under the hood a bit since the KJ's.

How do they get the gas into each individual cylinder? Do they piggy back the fuel injector or something?

The TL/TW's have got the pipes on that side of the engine for some reason, Not too sure why...
In regards to the air tube;

(Notice the NZ cai! :thumbsup: )
*beat me to it....

Yes the good old NZ CAI.

If anyone needs one, PM me....

nice conversion Dave... its appealing... but i'm still a petrol head for the time being...

How would you go if you had a strut tower brace fitted. There doesn't look to be much clearance over the mixer (or whatever it is behind the airbox).

Here (http://www.gastek.com.au/cgi-bin/engine.pl?Page=page.html&Rec=48) is a site for a place in Newcastle that has done a Magna

I got my wagon put on gas a month ago through my work (we fit LPG systems)
It is IMPCO Air Valve as there were no SGI (sequential gas injection) kits available for my wagon on the market.
I love it, best thing I ever did!
I have the spare wheel donut tank in the wagon and we brought a space saver spare and fastened it down in the boot. 49 useable litres of LPG and I get roughly 350km/tank.
On straight petrol I was getting 65ish litres in the tank (i think?) and only 500km to a tank if lucky so with the KM that we do I will have mine paid off in a year :)

Ill get some pics of the install in my wagon tomorrow and post up. I run an integrated gauge and also have flashlube fitted for extra reassurance :)
It starts on petrol every time and then switches to lpg automatically if switched onto LPG, when switched on petrol obviously starts and runs on petrol until I manually switch it across

One company i went to for a quote said that there was no such thing as an injected system for a 3rd gen Magna.

In my experience with working for a workshop that does mainly gas fitting and all of our suppliers from Melbourne I have found that preety much anything older than 2001 is an air valve system. SGI was only introduced around then (or some time near then I dont remember the exact dates)
This is why my 2000 TH has air valve fitted also.

In my experience with working for a workshop that does mainly gas fitting and all of our suppliers from Melbourne I have found that preety much anything older than 2001 is an air valve system. SGI was only introduced around then (or some time near then I dont remember the exact dates)
This is why my 2000 TH has air valve fitted also.
The SVI system has a bit of adaptability to it. So i reckon my system would fit yours. After all they are both 3.5's. Never let anyone say you cant do it.

My car is being serviced as I write and it has had some sporadic ignition problems on gas. My mechanic tells me that Shell have sold some dirty batches of gas to petrol stations lately and this may contribute to the problem. Anyone know anything about this?

My car first experienced problems back in January. It will start and then die straight away. When I refire it, it works fine. On two occassions it has failed to start at all but has come good later. I have been told this could be a flooding problem.

I also heard on the rumour file program that shell have a class action comming up from motorists who have had damage caused by shell gas recently.

I just thought i would add a couple more pics. This time it is the step dads TJ but with the mixer system. This car was also converted at Ezygas in Sunshine.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics011.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics013.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff320/davepax982/LPGconversionpics012.jpg

I just thought i would add a couple more pics. This time it is the step dads TJ but with the mixer system. This car was also converted at Ezygas in Sunshine.


hey mate
can you tell me how it goes with the mixer system? is response down a lot?

Anyone running a dedicated gas setup?

hey mate
can you tell me how it goes with the mixer system? is response down a lot?
Its really not a patch on mine... He gets pretty good economy though. About 580 to 60 litres all highway driving. But power wise you notice a big difference. It feels very restricted compared to the SVI set up.

My car is being serviced as I write and it has had some sporadic ignition problems on gas. My mechanic tells me that Shell have sold some dirty batches of gas to petrol stations lately and this may contribute to the problem. Anyone know anything about this?

My car first experienced problems back in January. It will start and then die straight away. When I refire it, it works fine. On two occassions it has failed to start at all but has come good later. I have been told this could be a flooding problem.

how old is your battery? it could be the battery being near the end of its life, i had similar issue with mine around April, it will start then die, on 2nd start it will fire up and be back to normal. if it doesn't start 2nd time then i have flooded the cylinders, left for a bit then tried to crank then it would start. I have since changed my battery and its fine.

Its really not a patch on mine... He gets pretty good economy though. About 580 to 60 litres all highway driving. But power wise you notice a big difference. It feels very restricted compared to the SVI set up.


Thats pretty good. Nearly 10l/100km.

The best figures I can get for basically the same trip are around the 480ks per 60l in both the TL & the AWD.

Thats pretty good. Nearly 10l/100km.

The best figures I can get for basically the same trip are around the 480ks per 60l in both the TL & the AWD.
I did 560 in mine and still had gas left! I reckon i could have hit 600 if i had of babied it... :D

I would expect that with yours, but not your step-dads. The injection system is far more economical than the older style so if I'm getting 480ks in my AWD, it stands to reason that you'd get at least 1 or 2 less litre/100 than me.


mmmm, got me thinking about the TL though. Although, I think 380 - 400 still seems pretty good from 50l.

I did 560 in mine and still had gas left! I reckon i could have hit 600 if i had of babied it... :D

Far out!! Thats amazing economy, how big is your gas tank? The one in your car I mean!lol

Hi

I had an Impco Kit fittet to m 2003 Magna VRX and I love it, power loss is not all that much, never had any misfire/backfire and love the savings, however fuel economy could be better.

I get 420L / 60L of Caltex LPG which is about 7Km per L. Its in for its first service so will tell the mechanic.

Had it fittted for 2650$ in Melbourne.

I based my decesion on this recommendation from ford forums


i, I was involved in the development, testing and design of the factory floor fitted LPG systems on the TJ Magna's. Several brand units were tried and the one that spat the rest out was the impco system.
The factory fit vehicles ended up using the Impco 200 mixer only because they could get them cheaper. Testing proved the 225 to be 'slightly' better on the stock engine.

In my opinion and experience havin been directly involved with these vehicles, i highly recommend the Impco system, use the 225 mixer if you want a bit more grunt.

Drop the plug gap by .010". The rear platinum plugs are easy to change, about 1/2 hours work.

Use Penrite HPR15 oil in it.

Get a free flowing front 'Y' pipe made, even with stock mufflers this helps them heaps.

Fit new oxy sens if its done more than 100,000.

If all is in good order you will get at least 9.5L/100km on the highway.

Cheers,

you will see gains/drivability/power delivery by just changing the "Y" pipe/Engine pipe in any fuel setup, where it be LPG or Petrol, reason as to why that person recommended changing that pipe was perhaps to try to gain back on some of the losses that is found with the mixer system.

Hi

I had an Impco Kit fittet to m 2003 Magna VRX and I love it, power loss is not all that much, never had any misfire/backfire and love the savings, however fuel economy could be better.

I get 420L / 60L of Caltex LPG which is about 7Km per L. Its in for its first service so will tell the mechanic.

Had it fittted for 2650$ in Melbourne.

I based my decesion on this recommendation from ford forums

Can someone tell me Is the impco kit an injection type system, or a mixer type?

For $2650.00, thats the vapour ring fer sure.

For $2650.00, thats the vapour ring fer sure.
*noob*

what is vapour ring?

mixer = vapour ring
http://www.sprintgas.com.au/images/productImage/MFVM.jpg

Mixer
Mixes LPG fuel Vapour with the induction air.

ah right, cheers :)

Just he said the power loss wasn't that great whereas I have been told that power loss is around 30% with the mixer systems... *confused*

LPG frequently run with 30% less power if you take out a few spark plugs.
Sorry about the sarcasm. I've never heard of anyone losing or saying they'd lost 30%, perhaps the uneducated and naive.

Just to rub it in a little...

I am averaging 10.3 l/100 on gas as we speak. Thats about 50/50 highway and urban driving! So roughly speaking it is costing me $6.30 to do 100 kms versus $17 ish. Winner! :D

Thats really good economy, well excellent really. Glad you are happy with the outcome. You must be stoked after choosing systems from internet information and friends.

TJ Sedan - 60ltr gastank - auto gbox

on the 94octane / %10 ethenol blend i get 10k/ltr
on gas im getting some shocking range 40ltr gas for 250 ks around town
but on highway i get 600ks on a 60ltr tank of gas
not sure whats up but i better get in for a tune i think

there is still plenty of room in the boot with a gas tank in the tj

i've heard that once you have an LPG system fitted you have to take it over the pits in WA is this true? if so do they go over the whole car or is it to just check the installation is safe because i don't think my car is legal in some area's.

Can any one shed some light here, my uncle has TJ with mixer type LPG. He took it to Midas for a tune ( a gas tune evidently), and ever since it has problems idling and if you give it a bit, it just stalls.
Have they advanced the timing too much?
Or do ya reckon they've wound the gas back for economy?
Or maybe they just haven't followed procedure for tuning a TJ?

I sorta reckon its the first, but does anyone know about or heard anything about tuning these for gas?

I just jumped too!

I've ordered an Elko injection system and it'll be about 2 months before it arrives. Am getting it done at "Harrys" Repco servce centre in Belconnen.

A 2000 km drive with our camper van to Melbourne and back last week convinced me 13.1 l/100km was great for towing @ 100km/h, but filling up with $1.70/l petrol everyday hurt!

We're heading right around Australia next year, so the gas will save us a lot of cash :-)

Yay!

I have a series 3 GT380 and a series 3 VRX.

Both have been fitted by Agostini Mitsubishi in Nailsworth SA.

Cost was $4000 each.

It is the Impco Sequel 56 vapour injection system.

How good is it, and how good are Agostini?

I drove from Geelong Victoria, specifically to have it done there and no where else.

They do an outstanding job and were recommended by my brother who worked at Tonsley up to a few weeks ago, it is the factory kit.

They offered to start whithin 4 days of my request, they finished at 4pm on a Friday with the VRX and i drove it 800k's straight out of the workshop.

No faults, rattles, hiccups....it just works.

60 litres gives 505 klms until it runs out.....:)

Here LPG is 60.5 cents per litre and unleaded is $1.64 at the moment.

I drove from Geelong Victoria, specifically to have it done there and no where else.


Where in Geelong did you go?

Where in Geelong did you go?

Both have been fitted by Agostini Mitsubishi in Nailsworth SA.
Thats dedication to a business.

lol I mis read that!

Seeing as you obviously bought the car in Vic but had the conversion done in S.A how does the S.A compliance plate (if they fit one) factor into a car that is first registered in another state? Do they have the same rules to abide by as we do?

First post - here goes.

Can I convert a KW AWD Verada Series II to LPG?

I know the answer is somewhere on this board, but I've done a fair bit of searching with no luck.

And I know the Mitsubishi website says -"No", it can't be done, but wasn't sure if that just meant a bit more work was needed (ie changing the valves).

Thanks for any advice.

Cheers

A

No traction control on the awds, and if you have a few klms, the seats will have hardened up enough that it probably wont be an issue (its the valve seats, not the valves that are the problem).

There is no reason why you can't.

Im about to convert my KJ AWD to SVI gas system no probs.
The probable reason why Mitsub said no is because you most likely dont have gas ready heads.
Easy to get around this by making sure they install the upper head lube system.

I recently got my TL AWD VR converted to LPG (an Impco mixer, installed by www.thegasman.com.au at Alexandria.

It's a very neat install and the car drives well.

HOWEVER:

When I have it switched to gas, cold starts take a while (I have to turn the key and hold it for 4-5 seconds until it finally kicks over). No problem starting when the engine is warm, or when it is switched to petrol.

Also, I'm not getting very good economy (which defeats the purpose of getting it converted!). With petrol, I used to get about 13litres/100km, but am now getting about 19litres/100km.


The car goes back for its 1500km check up soon. I will mention these 2 things to them.


Am I being reasonable to expect that the car should start easily (like it always did with petrol), or is this cold start problem the norm with LPG?

Is the bad fuel economy likely to be a tuning issue he can resolve, or was I naive to think that economy would be within 20% of what it was?


I'd definitely appreciate your advice!

Thanks, Dave

The car goes back for its 1500km check up soon. I will mention these 2 things to them.


Am I being reasonable to expect that the car should start easily (like it always did with petrol), or is this cold start problem the norm with LPG?
Gas needs the heat of the engine to fully vapourise correctly. Gas dedicated Falcons have similar issues to what you have described because the gas which is freezing isnt vapourising fast enough on a cold start to have a similar start to petrol. This is why it takes a few cranks of the engine to get started. You will also notice that it will be a bit sluggish until it warms up a little. Especially on really cold mornings. My car starts on petrol everytime and only switches over to gas when the temperature has reached about 1/3 on the gauge.


Is the bad fuel economy likely to be a tuning issue he can resolve, or was I naive to think that economy would be within 20% of what it was?

As you have the mixer system on your car i would assume that your economy should be withing 20% as you say. But you did mention that it has done bugger all kms. Everything within the system needs a bit of bedding in. I was told approx 1000kms. Mine was running differently after 1000 kms than it was when first fitted. The diaphram in the converter stretches within this period and changes all the mixtures and as they usually set it to run rich for the first 1000kms it will most likely only run richer which would explain your fuel usage.

does anyone know any LPG converters in perth who install impco mixer systems?

Thanks Type40. Very helpful post.

Dave pretty much covered everything.
Whether it hot or cold it should start easily on gas even if it is a mixer system.
Mixtures will be out due to things bedding in etc etc.
Re adjustment will be required hopefully they get it right next time round.

Regards

Heres a good read on a newer system, LPGLI (liquid Injection) sounds great, but way to dear.
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/vz-holden-commodore-2004-2006/72354-going-liquid-lpg-injection.html

And I'm still waiting for out TW to get done.
LPG Cylinder shortage too.

And I'm still waiting for out TW to get done.
LPG Cylinder shortage too.
Yeah, i heard that too. The wait is up till November where i got mine done i believe!

Oh, and if anyone lives in Vic and gets their gas from Shell.... Don't. Believe me... Don't!

Yep, seems to have been a sudden burst in demand, I was going to go to a place in Jandakot W.A, which im sure only had a couple of weeks backlog last time I rang, now its mid october. So im going another place a bit further out, which is a tad more but can fit me in September 9th.

I was interetsed in liquid injection, seems really good, they say it will only be a few hundred more dollars than vapour injection which is well worth it in my opinion. But no one is doing it in W.A just yet, and probably wont be at least till the end of this year. Im going the sequential vapour injection, hopes its good, my main concern is that there is no noticeable compromise in power and general running and smoothness.

Ollie

Sorry to bring up an old post. Just had gas fitted yesterday on the KH wagon.

What plugs are everyone using? I am getting alot of mixed info and cant make up my mind.

Cheers
Jas

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/tessa403/Cars/SpareWheel.jpg
You can see the extra foam padding I put down in the cargo area for a little extra quiet.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/tessa403/Cars/Sparewheel01.jpg
This is the frame the wheel is mounted on.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/tessa403/Cars/LPGTank.jpg
The Tank!

That last photo looks like a cd walkman. hehe

So it's pretty noisy in the wagon, is it Tessa?

That last photo looks like a cd walkman. hehe

So it's pretty noisy in the wagon, is it Tessa?

Nah not noisy but in the wet the road noise can drone through so I have always put extra padding in my cars. One trick is to put it in under the rear seat as normally there is very litle there.

I wanna get a pic of the LPG stamp on the engine Block if I can remember where it is.... anyone have any idea?

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/tessa403/Cars/LPGstamp.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/tessa403/Cars/LPGstamp1.jpg

I hope the LPG is clear enough for people to see stamped on the Block of the 3.5 just to the left of the Oil cap.

Cool - our wagon will go in for it sometime in September, so it's interesting to see the pics. I don;t suppose you could post another one or three (of the filler, dash addition and engine bay)?

Congrats!

PS did you have a say in which side the spare went on? I think I'd prefer driver's side so I still have rear 3/4 view on curb side :-/

I think im gonna ditch the spare wheel and go for a can of goo. If all else fails, there is roadside assist anyway.

Ollie

Where can you get space saver wheels from? I think I look at that option.

Getting SVI installed on the AWD next Monday the 8th.

Donut tank with no spare.

Looked into liquid but wont be out for magnas for atleast 18 months.

Yeah only a few hundred more but obviously they are concentrating on current models with liquid and seeming demand is so high, they said it wont trickle down to older cars for a few years.

Cant wait.

Screw it then, I'm not that interested until liquid injection's available...

Screw it then, I'm not that interested until liquid injection's available...
In the case of my 2.6 EFI TS sedan, The diffuser ring kit will be the go. It's flow is controlled with a Pulse-Width Modulation component taking input from the O2 sensor.
At $600 out-of-pocket, the conversion will only take 5-6 months to pay for itself.

With my research into preparing for LPG, Castrol have advised that their Magnatec 10W40 would be ideal.
For the spark plugs, NGK BP7ES, which is one temperature-level cooler than the deafult. I will reduce the gaps in them from the standard 0.8mm to 0.7mm.
If the leads aren't up for the challenge, a set of Bosch's from Supercheap will cover it.

The one mystery however is the distributor timing. The installer advised they don't touch the timing. However, I my research into this area has shown that LPG's optimal static timing is about 6 more degrees BTDC than petrol.

My aim is to run 98RON PULP, so to avoid pinging at this timing whilst on petrol, and as LPG's ideal advance curve advances at a lower rate (flatter) than petrol, I am considering blocking the vacuum advance to help flatten it for LPG. I suppose the only sacrifice would be at Wide-Open Throttle on petrol, but my right foot usually stops halfway down anyway.:D

Does anyone have any other ideas here?

I'm booked in for my conversion next Monday! Yay!

Thought I'd post in this thread.

I own a BA XR8 falcon and I have my injected system booked in for wednesday next week.
Getting it done at LPGAS1 in thomastown vic.

PS : TuffTR, call me a lightweight again and I'll ram your car off the road.... when and if that ever happens lol

Thought I'd post in this thread.

I own a BA XR8 falcon and I have my injected system booked in for wednesday next week.
Getting it done at LPGAS1 in thomastown vic.


..interesting. Are you going with the SVI or are you going for the newer Liquid Injection? Cost about $1000 more BUT with around 10% power gains to be had. Have a read of this (http://www.lpgli.com/contact.html)

The Australian LPG warehouse have kits ready for Falcons & Commodores. :D

..interesting. Are you going with the SVI or are you going for the newer Liquid Injection? Cost about $1000 more BUT with around 10% power gains to be had. Have a read of this (http://www.lpgli.com/contact.html)

The Australian LPG warehouse have kits ready for Falcons & Commodores. :D
No idea, will get back to you

I was told it was the latest system released and that it will give 5-10kw

Yeah I had a choice between 2 gas setups one $3500 or the one im getting $4700

No idea, will get back to you

I was told it was the latest system released and that it will give 5-10kw

Yeah I had a choice between 2 gas setups one $3500 or the one im getting $4700

Michael, not trying to have a go at you but how have you worked out a ROI figure on that sort of investment? I'm not aware of what the rebate is in Vic but that will help towards the cost.

I'm myself contemplating the conversion here in Sydney but have yet to find anyone who specialises in Magna's and can show me good working examples.

Looks like you Victorians get the best of it all, including good mechanics (http://aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60136)

Michael, not trying to have a go at you but how have you worked out a ROI figure on that sort of investment? I'm not aware of what the rebate is in Vic but that will help towards the cost.
I'm not paying for the conversion :D

I'm not paying for the conversion :D

Better still :bowrofl:

You can also go here for ROI figures; http://www.lpgas1.com.au/calculator.php

It gives you a rough Idea
I do 30,000km per year
Worst case scenario for my V8 is 18L/100
Say petrol prices hit $1.80 mark
say gas goes up to 70c
cost of conversion is $2700 (the website dosen't allow for the $2000 rebate AFIAK)

it says it will take me 0.56 years till it pays itself off.

What does the stamp say on the block that it's a LPG compatible motor?

Mine has a stamp but not sure what it is ment to say.

Is it just LPG or is it a code of some sort??

Mine says "A08K6" and (below that) "LPG"

Dropped it off tonight, will be ready by the end of the week!!!

No way!!! I just dropped mine off this morning too, should be ready sometime Thursday, keen to see how it performs. :cool:

Ollie

Question, been pondering about it today while attempting to get out of sydney, im wondering if a Injected LPG setup would be compatatible with my sprintex system, being that it has the piggyback and whatnot and should hopefully be fine and with the higher octane should make a tad more power.


Anyone know if its been done/pondered about?

I think the 2.4L 3rd gen do not qualify for this? Anyone?

I think the 2.4L 3rd gen do not qualify for this? Anyone?
Qualify for what exactly?

A ford V8 gas conversion, of course...
:confused:

Just drop in to qualified gas fitter and see what he recommends... there's a good place to strart

A ford V8 gas conversion, of course...
:confused:
What's the problem???

I've got gas :p

Elko injected system. I've only driven 40 km but it's running great. Flips over from petrol seemlessly a couple of minutes after start-up.

I'll post some pics when I take them on the weekend. Stay tuned!

Qualify for LPG convert of course.

Never seen a 2.4L one so I am just asking.
I believe LPG was the topic? Or am I in the NOs thread?

Elko injected system. I've only driven 40 km but it's running great. Flips over from petrol seemlessly a couple of minutes after start-up.


Got Elko systems in both of mine too. Was in the old TE too.

Qualify for LPG convert of course.

Never seen a 2.4L one so I am just asking.
I believe LPG was the topic? Or am I in the NOs thread?

How much driving do you do? How long will you keep the car? Both of these factor into the equation.

If you use this calculator (http://www.lpgas1.com.au/calculator.php) you'll see how long it will take to 'repay' the initial cost. If you'll have the car longer than that, then it's worth it - if you don't mind the loss of power that an older style system will give.

Question, been pondering about it today while attempting to get out of sydney, im wondering if a Injected LPG setup would be compatatible with my sprintex system, being that it has the piggyback and whatnot and should hopefully be fine and with the higher octane should make a tad more power.


Anyone know if its been done/pondered about?


I think it should be fine, as it just intercepts your engine management and makes adjustments to that for it to run well on gas. Probably worth checking though. However if that fails, you will definitely be able to get a dyno tuned aftermarket engine management and get it to work, and probably work very well, but it will cost a fair bit more obviously.

Ollie

How much driving do you do? How long will you keep the car? Both of these factor into the equation.

If you use this calculator (http://www.lpgas1.com.au/calculator.php) you'll see how long it will take to 'repay' the initial cost. If you'll have the car longer than that, then it's worth it - if you don't mind the loss of power that an older style system will give.

The magna is a cheap comfortable ride. I am not into speed but rather fuel econ of the car. So yes, I dont mind keeping it even for another few years.

Picked up my car last night

Its a Vapour injection system. Cost $4700, awaiting $2000 back from government. I don't know the name of the system (sticker on ECU says OSEGAS and tank is manchester).
As I have only driven a total of about 50km I have no idea about economy yet. Will post later on about how much savings I will get.

In terms of power, there is definately no loss, if anything a little more. Full throttle in 1st is a little more touchy (can feel the tyres not gripping 100%). Either that or the gas tank is making the rear end step out :bowrofl:

Here is some pics;

The tank + sub
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00307.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00308.jpg

Engine bay
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00303.jpg

Injectors
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00304.jpg

Converter + Compliance Plate
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00306.jpg

Fuel Caps
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00309.jpg

the control unit switch
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/micjaiy/DSC00302.jpg

I think the 2.4L 3rd gen do not qualify for this? Anyone?



Qualify for LPG convert of course.

Never seen a 2.4L one so I am just asking.
I believe LPG was the topic? Or am I in the NOs thread?
Ahh... Thanks for clarifying. By your first question you were asking about a 2.4 qualifying. I didnt understand the reference to engine capacity in regard to a LPG conversion or for qualifying for the subsidy or whatever you meant... So... Engine capacity has no effect on the conversion process. I know someone with a 1.3 Festiva on LPG.

well i just had a direct injection put on about 1 month ago i also couldn't notice a diffrerence in power except first gear which seems to have more!

the loan car they gave me was a Daihatsu Mira which is a 800cc 3 cylinder engine and it was on gas :shock: he reckons it goes 950k's on one tank of gas which costs $35.

I just got my car back yesterday, few issues from the install, but bascially it goes well on gas, cant tell the difference although I havent really had a good feel for it yet, if anything I reckon there could be a tad more bottom end power. Will be interesting to see how economy goes.

I dont know why, but the installer said he has tuned it to run a bit rich, until its 1500k service and they will tune it again, so not sure how this will affect things.

In your install, your injectors seem really far from the intake manifold though? M car only has tiny short tubes about 5cm long.

Ollie

Yeah mine needs a tune at 1000 km. It's "lumpy" idling and baulks a bit as it moves off. once up and moving it's fine.

The installer said the ECU needs to record some data for them to be able to adjust the tune properly.

There's also a squeak from somewhere down the back. Can hear it when stationary or moving. I'm sure it'll all be sorted in a month or so.

Picked up the KJ AWD today from having LPG fitted.

Went with their(ezygas) highly recommended Eurogas SVI system with a donut tank.

First impressions are that you can't even tell one tiny bit that it's on gas. No loss of power/fuel econ, can't feel it switch between the two under any circumstances.

Ended up costing $4700 with the upper head lube.

Very very happy with the job/install. Very neat. Looks factory.

They ended up having to trim the engine plastic cover which wasn't ideal but better than not having it at all.

May be able to improve the look myself a little later on.

Here are some pics.

I measured the car height before and after the gas install both times with half a tank of petrol and the second one, gas tank full.

I measured it the same way they do when lowering a car from bottom of rim to bottom of guard.

Has only dropped 5mm in the rear with gas on and a full tank of gas which isnt to bad.

Can't really tell the extra weight, probably use to it with the AWD weight anyway.

Very happy camper.

Have they just bolted onto the fuel filler?

Not sure. How would i know?

Can you tell from the pic?

Not sure. How would i know?

Can you tell from the pic?

Just looking at the last pic. I'm wondering what the bolts are for?

There's a pic of mine floating around here somewhere. Doesn't have those bolts.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5147/fillerholeske0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fillerholeske0.jpg)

Both the fuel and gas filler are solid and not floating around so i guess those bolts are for the bracket to hold the filler/s in place.

Just some more pictures without the plastic cover.

I went to work early this morning and the car stayed on Petrol for about 3-4 mins and the temp guage was about 1/4 way up and then it changed to gas.

Also, think i might raise the rear of the car 1 step. I'm currently running Kings lows all round and the back although not looking rediculous, is sitting a little lower.

I might go the 30mm drop in the rear instead of the 45mm (lows) just to get her back to how she was beforehand.

Just thought i would add that we just went down and back to Geelong from Melbourne to give her a run on the gas.
I filled her up and reset the trip/fuel usage before we left. WHen we got back, i filled it up again to see how accurate the fuel usage is with gas and the car said 25.4L and the car took 25.1 of gas. The difference could even be the petrol used at startups as the fuel usage still calculates this when it is on fuel for a few seconds at startup, so the trip computer is very accurate even with gas.

Cant believe it only cost me $14.50 instead of $38. Unbelievable. Best thing i've done to her.

Also, the gas consumption average was similar if not the same as on fuel which i'm happy with.

Looks like we're getting 11.3 l/100 km around town. We're doing a highway run this long weekend... be interesting to see what we get on that.

Just some more pictures without the plastic cover.

I went to work early this morning and the car stayed on Petrol for about 3-4 mins and the temp guage was about 1/4 way up and then it changed to gas.

Also, think i might raise the rear of the car 1 step. I'm currently running Kings lows all round and the back although not looking rediculous, is sitting a little lower.

I might go the 30mm drop in the rear instead of the 45mm (lows) just to get her back to how she was beforehand.

Just thought i would add that we just went down and back to Geelong from Melbourne to give her a run on the gas.
I filled her up and reset the trip/fuel usage before we left. WHen we got back, i filled it up again to see how accurate the fuel usage is with gas and the car said 25.4L and the car took 25.1 of gas. The difference could even be the petrol used at startups as the fuel usage still calculates this when it is on fuel for a few seconds at startup, so the trip computer is very accurate even with gas.

Cant believe it only cost me $14.50 instead of $38. Unbelievable. Best thing i've done to her.

Also, the gas consumption average was similar if not the same as on fuel which i'm happy with.


Good clean conversion there. Only issue is injector nozzle placement. Obviously they didnt remove the inlet hence the mounting position. If it was me i would have placed them as close to the petrol injectors as possible facing the inlet valve. Overall great piece of work there.

Enjoy the savings.

Good clean conversion there. Only issue is injector nozzle placement. Obviously they didnt remove the inlet hence the mounting position. If it was me i would have placed them as close to the petrol injectors as possible facing the inlet valve.

Right - mine doesn't look as tidy, but the injector line inlets are right next to the petrol injectors.

I'm off for our 1000 km tune next week. It just seems to need adjusting at idle (it's a bit lumpy idling and then nearly dies as you move off).

Pics of my install here (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61254).

Yeah same here. Mine is a little lumpy at idle too.
They said the same that it needs to bed in before the 1000km retune.
Mine is going in tomorrow so will let you know.
Also, my gas guage shows the red light when there is still half a tank of gas in there so they said they will adjust that as well.
Other than the lumpy idle, you wouldn't even know she is on gas at all. Feels just like petrol.

Mine filled with 44 l when it was showing red - 30 l with (recently) 1 of 4 green lights. So I think the gauge is working OK.

Pleased to hear the lumpiness is shared!

Mine was lumpy too... Turned out to be a buggered injector. They replaced the block on warranty and did another tune. So that's now 3 tunes its had and still it isn't as perfect as petrol. Maybe im expecting too much.

So that's now 3 tunes its had and still it isn't as perfect as petrol.

Sorry to hear that. Mine hiccups for the split second it switches from petrol to LPG, but otherwise I can't tell the difference.

Dave pop around we can compare yours with mine to see who has bigger lumps. Shouldnt be lumpy at all.. Should idle same as petrol if not better.
If you do have a hickup it will be on change over if the lpg doesnt get to the nozzles quick enough. May stall initially or hesitate on change over. Also if temp is set too low and the car switches over it will virtually die under load till it reaches the correct operating temp. I have set mine to 24 degrees celcius so it switches over quickly i hate smelling unleaded fuel in the morning.


Regards

Took mine in for the 1000km check.

AS i said, it was all good other than the lumpy idle.

Turns out that it was just a low idle and not lumpy. Amazing that they just plug in the laptop and increase the idle at the push of a button.

All perfect now. Cant tell the difference in idle between petrol and gas.

And they adjusted the gas guage through the laptop too. That now is also spot on.

Only took 15 mins for chech up too.

hmmm this s tempting im considering either a vapour gas or liquid injection system as mentioned here http://www.australianlpgwarehouse.com.au/JTG-Liquid-Injection.aspx anyone know much about these? i have a 2004 kl awd verada but if i was going to gas im thinking it will be dedicated not dual fuel

Took mine in for the 1000km check.

AS i said, it was all good other than the lumpy idle.

Turns out that it was just a low idle and not lumpy. Amazing that they just plug in the laptop and increase the idle at the push of a button.

All perfect now. Cant tell the difference in idle between petrol and gas.

And they adjusted the gas guage through the laptop too. That now is also spot on.

Only took 15 mins for chech up too.

How did you go with that gas line and also can we now take the manifold off to do that rear rocker cover gasket. :)

Maybe im expecting too much.

Your not, Dave. Take it back if your still not happy with it. Drop over at the weekend if you like & compare the idles.

Yay!

We went 220km from Tuggeranong to Bega tonight @ 8.6 l/100 km of LPG, with 2 adults, a toddler, a whole lot of luggage, a tank of gas and 3/4 of a tank of petrol.

We used to do the trip with about 8.1 l/100 km of petrol :)

Update: 270 km, trip meter reporting 26 l used, but tank took 31 l. So fuel economy not as good as I thought - I make that 11.4 l/100 km, with the last 50 km including 4 adults on winding national park tracks... anyway, we've get a better idea of how it runs as time goes on.

Shell Australia Statement
Shell would like to advise motorists that there was recently a quality issue with a batch of LPG supplied to some retail outlets in Victoria from its LPG depot at Lara, near Geelong.


This quality issue related to higher-than-normal residue levels in the LPG.


Shell regrets that some motorists who purchased the affected LPG between June 17 and June 28 may have experienced operating problems with their vehicles including difficulties in cold starting and rough running.


Motorists who experience these operating problems with their vehicle should immediately take their vehicle to a licensed repairer, and should also contact Shell Customer Services on 131618. Shell is committed to supplying high quality fuels and will consider all legitimate claims for repair costs.


As soon as this problem was identified, Shell stopped supplying LPG from Lara while extensive testing was conducted. Retail sites identified as containing LPG with a high level of residue were closed while actions to fix the problem were undertaken. As such, motorists can be confident of the quality of Shell LPG currently selling at service stations.


Normal precautions are required for handling LPG and Shell does not believe there is any additional safety risk to motorists from the affected fuel. An internal investigation into the cause of the higher-than-normal residue levels for this affected batch of LPG is currently underway


I hope this aint a repost, but it deserves another post anyway.

Your not, Dave. Take it back if your still not happy with it. Drop over at the weekend if you like & compare the idles.
Thanks for the offer Al, but i only just saw this post! Anyway... Today i had issues with it switching over to petrol from anywhere between 1/2 throttle to full throttle acceleration. It did this 7 times. Needless to say i am getting very jack of this. I will have to take it back to get another tune (this will be the 4th). I'm not impressed.

Had my 1000 km adjustment today.

Idle is smooth and there's no hesitation moving of the line either.

Last weekend we did 710 km with 70 of LPG. I'm wrapped!

Yay!

We went 220km from Tuggeranong to Bega tonight @ 8.6 l/100 km of LPG, with 2 adults, a toddler, a whole lot of luggage, a tank of gas and 3/4 of a tank of petrol.

We used to do the trip with about 8.1 l/100 km of petrol :)

Update: 270 km, trip meter reporting 26 l used, but tank took 31 l. So fuel economy not as good as I thought - I make that 11.4 l/100 km, with the last 50 km including 4 adults on winding national park tracks... anyway, we've get a better idea of how it runs as time goes on.

Yep, fell for the trip meter as well. But still even with the extra guzzle the LPG makes life so much easier.

Today i had issues with it switching over to petrol from anywhere between 1/2 throttle to full throttle acceleration. It did this 7 times. Needless to say i am getting very jack of this. I will have to take it back to get another tune (this will be the 4th). I'm not impressed.
All fixed. Just needed a tweak with the gas tune (lean it off) and now its fine. It appears though that when you deal direct with the mechanic tuning the car you get a decent result. It turns the tyres well into 2nd now. :D

Well, after paying a deposit for LPG Install on June the14th this year, its finally going to be fitted Mon and Tues Next neek, So we'll see how the TW goes on the IMPCO Sequent 56 system for the 380....

i have gas.. just the mixer system.. i was 550 out of pocket and it was the smartest move :)

and im not really loosing THAT MUCH km/l than compared with petrol..

i used to get around 400k to a tank with petrol (fill up was $90+)
now i get aroun 350-370 (fill up 40 BUCKS!)

loss of power YES..noticeable, yes! but u dont buy a magna for power.. you save and buy a nice evo for that..

hope it helps

Just came back from a Holiday to Mildura and then down to Nelson on the SA/Vic border from Melbourne. Did approx 2200k's.
We were getting between 500 and 550 k's out of a tank of gas.
The tank holds or takes 56 L of gas. I just kept running it till it started to splatter then went to fuel. Took 56L of gas each time.
I thought that was pretty good of approx 10 - 11L per 100k's considering it was a full car of people, luggage, a full tank of Petrol and also being an AWD.

hi I got a 3.0 litre tf duel fuel.Does any one else run a 3.0 litre on gas? what kind d consumption do you get?ltrs per 100klms??just curious.
Thanks:redface:

I just had the KJ converted to the mixer system by EasyGas at Carrum Downs VIC

My experience has been great so far:

1. They got me in before Xmas - short lead time
2. Quoted 3 days for conversion, finished in 2 days
3. I supplied rear platinum plugs and they installed for no charge + changed front plugs and oil
4. Staff knowlegeable and easy to deal with, they listed to where I wanted the guage etc
6. Installation excellent - good quality Sprintgas components, neat and tidy.
7. Supplied a full tank of gas + a 2c discount card through BP
8. Free 1K check and re-tune
9. Cost: $299 after rebate, rear plug change covered this I think but just counting fuel costs, ROI in 6 weeks
10. Driving experience - smoother idle (could be new plugs) and feeling about 20% power loss which still leaves plenty of punch.

I am yet to deplete the tank so I'll let you know the milage then.

Overall, extremely happy - just thought you might like to know in case you were considering a conversion to lpg:D

I get 410km out of 65L GAS tank, is that good or bad ?

My Magna is getting gas installed at Ezy Gas, they originally said it was a day and a half work but when they saw my magna they said it wont be ready until friday. They said something about my model (03 upwards) has a different setup and requires extra work? I thought it wasn't any different to the earlier magnas.

He also said the Fuel Gadge will become the gas gadge when i apply the gas switch on and the 'LPG' will appear on the dash
- does this make any sense to anyone? i was expecting some LED indicator lights somewhere under the steering wheel but an 'LPG' on the dash aswell as the fuel gadge adjusting between gas/fuel? i didn't think the LPG indicator was available on the dash already? I was a bit puzzled then i asked whether the trip computer will work with gas? he also said it 'should'...

Can anybody explain this? or anyone has this same magna setup the way this guy is talking about? im getting the ezygas $2299 deal thingy..

I'm worried im getting stuffed around... :-( yaarggh! i want my baby back!

My Magna is getting gas installed at Ezy Gas, they originally said it was a day and a half work but when they saw my magna they said it wont be ready until friday. They said something about my model (03 upwards) has a different setup and requires extra work? I thought it wasn't any different to the earlier magnas.

He also said the Fuel Gadge will become the gas gadge when i apply the gas switch on and the 'LPG' will appear on the dash
- does this make any sense to anyone? i was expecting some LED indicator lights somewhere under the steering wheel but an 'LPG' on the dash aswell as the fuel gadge adjusting between gas/fuel? i didn't think the LPG indicator was available on the dash already? I was a bit puzzled then i asked whether the trip computer will work with gas? he also said it 'should'...

Can anybody explain this? or anyone has this same magna setup the way this guy is talking about? im getting the ezygas $2299 deal thingy..

I'm worried im getting stuffed around... :-( yaarggh! i want my baby back!

Never heard of it, but that sounds pretty cool. If thats what you get, post back some more info and picks here.

Ollie

Yeap thats right, thats the impco factory mixer system that uses your factory fuel gauge, sounds like they know what they doing. Its the same as the Factory fit LPG.
And the whole trip computer should not lose functionality :)

And there is a an unlit area on your dash, with a light behind it, like an oil light, that will show LPG when on the gas.

Sounds awesome... never knew there was already a LPG indicator hidden.. hopefully that's exactly what they are doing (impco factory mixer system) will post pics soon as i get it on friday.

Has anybody got this system installed - would like to see pics if possible, especially the LPG on the dash.

Yeap thats right, thats the impco factory mixer system that uses your factory fuel gauge, sounds like they know what they doing. Its the same as the Factory fit LPG.
And the whole trip computer should not lose functionality :)

And there is a an unlit area on your dash, with a light behind it, like an oil light, that will show LPG when on the gas.


Which models was this on? I haven't seen it on any of mine. :confused:

You won't see it on any Vapour Injection units. Do you vapour Injection on both cars, Ascall. (BTW Good to meet on that cruise, Thanks, and I hope your cars running good now)
I think it can be seen on the trip computer on some models with polarised glasses at some angles.
They tried it with my SVI system, then the guy realised it woundn't work. I guess some users would not have it as they may have chosen a different system to fit due to price or reliability.. It only works with the factory designed system fitted properly in factory or after market.
Its standard in some commodores to have the Petrol gauge work as LPG.