It appears that Sakura are primarily bike tyre manufacturers although there is a Sakura that makes mag wheels as well. As a rule of thumb, if you cant find anything about them online then forget about them. If they are that unknown that they dont have a website (yes I had a look too and couldn't find anything in regard to car tyres for them) and BJ's don't even bother to put them on their web page or advertising, I would be concerned. They sound crappy to me. Ask the guy at BJ where they are made, who is the Australian distributor, and get techo with him and ask him the UTQG rating of the tyre (make sure you know what all the figures stand for too). If he cant answer these questions or has pathetic answers I would remind him of the importance of not fitting crap tyres to cars. Generally once these guys know that you know your stuff they wont try to push BS Crap tyres on you. I hate it when they do that! Am I alone on this one or what?

Ok done the do , ordered my new babies , when I get them will post pictures, ended up going 18" nearly went 19" but as I have a gt didnt want a harsh ride as with a 35 series and future lowering so going 245/45/18 in the kumho ku-19.Thanks for all the advise guys much appreciated.

Cant wait to see them.
Prices as well pls:facejump:

Cant wait to see them.
Prices as well pls:facejump:

Yep I am interested as well. Tell us what you think of the KU-19's what size and how much on them too.:happy:

Went with ANZ Taser with 245/45/18 ku-19 all up cost including 4 wheel alignment about $2200,think tyres were about $250,rims from one dealer $295(all depends on there mark up %) the problem is you get so many different prices from everyone.Would liked to have got 19" but the reality of it is im not a young wipper snapper any more and over $300 to replace 19" tyres will be a push to get by mrs when time to replace , ok if they have a really good special on them but that never seems to happenwhen you need them.lets hope no scrubbing, might just roll lip a bit before get them fitted

It appears that Sakura are primarily bike tyre manufacturers although there is a Sakura that makes mag wheels as well. As a rule of thumb, if you cant find anything about them online then forget about them. If they are that unknown that they dont have a website (yes I had a look too and couldn't find anything in regard to car tyres for them) and BJ's don't even bother to put them on their web page or advertising, I would be concerned. They sound crappy to me. Ask the guy at BJ where they are made, who is the Australian distributor, and get techo with him and ask him the UTQG rating of the tyre (make sure you know what all the figures stand for too). If he cant answer these questions or has pathetic answers I would remind him of the importance of not fitting crap tyres to cars. Generally once these guys know that you know your stuff they wont try to push BS Crap tyres on you. I hate it when they do that! Am I alone on this one or what?
Generally when the customer starts being a smart **** towards me, i ask they why they want my opinion. If you try to be a smart ****, you must already know more than me (even though i work in the industry, and its obvious you dont!) so just tell me what you want or stop wasting my time with your games.

99% of the time these people get the shits and never come back. In saying that, if you try to help these types of people, 99% of the time they wont buy anyway.

I never recommend being a smarty pants to a sales person, you will never get your own way. :P and i mean never lol

Geez! what ever happened to "the customers always right" FFEEkY?

Geez! what ever happened to "the customers always right" FFEEkY?
The customer is never right. We just let the customer think they are right. At the end of the day, a good salesperson holds the balance of power lol

The customer is never right. We just let the customer think they are right. At the end of the day, a good salesperson holds the balance of power lol
TOTALLY WRONG!! Sorry Feeky I am from a sales background (some time ago mind you), and an educated customer alwayshas the upper hand. If they don't like you, what you sell, what you say or the colour of your sox they have the power to walk away and take their business to your opposition. Net result you lose business. As Mas was saying the person at BJ's was trying to sell him the Sakuras. It is unclear whether or not he asked about them. It is also unclear what parameters he set for the sales person (no Mas I am not having a go at you either mate, you just asked a fair question).If you are trying to tell me that sales people don't spin BS then I will call you on BS.
I never go in with the intention of being a smart @rse as you put it, but when I get BS coming towards me I call it. and no I don't work in the tyre industry, you are right, but there are many persons working in the tyre industry that don't know what I do on tyres and I have proven that empirically several times. These people don't endear themselves to customers when they crap onto them. Unfortunately the last one that did was when I was looking for tyres for the 380 and had to make a quick choice and I couldn't get what I wanted so had to go further afield. This fellow was telling me how crap the Maxxis was. I asked him which one and he couldnt tell me. He was offering the Toyo Proxes4 which I eventually bought due to the other tyres being lethal (Kenda Comets) When I quoted some figures to him that they outbreaked the much better T1-R by 3 metres in the wet for instance he told me that the Toyos were better. Enough said, I wont go back to him again. The best advice I have is to know your stuff. When I go shopping, no matter what for be it tyres or a whitegoods product, I make it my business to know my stuff. That way you are asking for a particular tyre in a particular size and I always let them know I am shopping around and for their best. If they are not in the ball park of others I will tell them but never volunteer a price first. And I never, NEVER, work a dutch auction on them. Negotiate fairly as at the end of the day this is their income as well.
And Feeky, the people who I buy tyres off know me and look after me becausethey know I send business their way, and a fair bit of it. I always try to deal fairly, openly and honestly, and that is why I despise it when crap tyres get pushed on people. End Thesis.

I am with you 380
the term Salesman i think is no longer more like Shop assistance. Many times when you are purchasing goods the shop assistant does not know their product well.
And yes before you purchase anything do your homework and understand what you want and then compare apples with apples. If you are not happy with the service walk away the next shop may offer the service and knowledge you are after.
Feeky just because you work in the industry does not give you more knowledge than the customer. you dont know their background they may know a lot more than you.

I am with you 380
the term Salesman i think is no longer more like Shop assistance. Many times when you are purchasing goods the shop assistant does not know their product well.
And yes before you purchase anything do your homework and understand what you want and then compare apples with apples. If you are not happy with the service walk away the next shop may offer the service and knowledge you are after.
Feeky just because you work in the industry does not give you more knowledge than the customer. you dont know their background they may know a lot more than you.

Correct. We all learn from each other and grow in experience doing so. As a tyre distributor you are largely guided by the blurb from the reps, the company spin and, more importantly, feedback from customers. You may have a couple of vehicles of your own and companies with different tyres on, but there are hundreds of tyres out there that you will never try (or never want to in some instances). I really like it when the people I ask about a new tyre that is out tell me that they haven't fitted it and heard nothing about them. I like this straight up approach, forthright and honest. Yes I have much to learn too, but I like all here have experience to share and that is why I started this thread so we could bounce things off each other. Feeky you seemed to take the comments personally, please don't. I wasn't telling people to be smart @rses by reminding them to remind the BJ sales person of the importance of not fitting crap tyres. You wouldn't be aware of how many serious and fatal accidents are caused through worn, damaged, poorly maintained and other wise rubbish tyres. If everyone on the road were as passionate about their vehicles and the tyres as people here, there would be a lot more people alive today. Never cut cost on cheap tyres, it is not worth yours and your families lives. Damn I am on the soap box today!! lighten up Matey!!

This is funny. Ffeeky is a salesman, has been for years. He holds a managerial position at his company and is one of the best salesman in his company.

It's fine to have product knowledge, but don't be a smartass about it. That is the lesson.

This is funny. Ffeeky is a salesman, has been for years. He holds a managerial position at his company and is one of the best salesman in his company.

It's fine to have product knowledge, but don't be a smartass about it. That is the lesson.

dont take this to heart. Nothing has been said that Feeky is no good. Just that there are Salesman out there that do not have a great concept on what they are selling. He well may be one of the better guys who does understand his product and goes the extra mile with customer service.

and your comment of has been a salesman for years and holds a managers position does not always mean that person is anygood. a lot of companies still promote staff due to the lenght of service and not for performance and knowledge.

dont take this to heart. Nothing has been said that Feeky is no good. Just that there are Salesman out there that do not have a great concept on what they are selling. He well may be one of the better guys who does understand his product and goes the extra mile with customer service.

and your comment of has been a salesman for years and holds a managers position does not always mean that person is anygood. a lot of companies still promote staff due to the lenght of service and not for performance and knowledge.

That's fine. take it how you want. :)

The customer is never right. We just let the customer think they are right. At the end of the day, a good salesperson holds the balance of power lol

i wonder why noone likes or trusts salesmen

Try and stay on topic fella's!

Sooooooo has anyone run the Federal SS595's. I have heard that some cars in Targa Tasmania used them but havent hear too much about them.

Well guys my babies have landed,as promised photo's included and if I say so myself very nice I like.They are ANZ Tasers with kuhmo ku-19 ,and they run sooooo quiet unreal and ride comfort excellent hardly feel the bumps.Please enjoy.

Look tops mate! will look sweet lowered.

Well guys my babies have landed,as promised photo's included and if I say so myself very nice I like.They are ANZ Tasers with kuhmo ku-19 ,and they run sooooo quiet unreal and ride comfort excellent hardly feel the bumps.Please enjoy.

So are they the 18" or 19"? It is a real aesthetic shame that Mitsi didn't design the vehicle to have less space around the wheel arches. It wouldda looked fully sick bro!! :gfight: You going lows or super lows?

So are they the 18" or 19"? It is a real aesthetic shame that Mitsi didn't design the vehicle to have less space around the wheel arches. It wouldda looked fully sick bro!! :gfight: You going lows or super lows?

Ended up going 18"x8" kuhmo ku-19 245/45/18,totally agree about wheel arches so have to live with lowering instead,going king lows all round, dont mind little bit of a gap at top just to preserve some comfort(although these kumho run smooth as and quiet as) and it looks like will have to roll lip when I do it as well,but only time will tell,put the gt rims on the magna tonight and look pretty good also

Ended up going 18"x8" kuhmo ku-19 245/45/18,totally agree about wheel arches so have to live with lowering instead,going king lows all round, dont mind little bit of a gap at top just to preserve some comfort(although these kumho run smooth as and quiet as) and it looks like will have to roll lip when I do it as well,but only time will tell,put the gt rims on the magna tonight and look pretty good also

Do they have the same offset as the Magna? If so they may be quite a nice upgrade for a magna?

From what i have been told should be fine(waiting for conformation from magna boys in there forum) , look pretty good might post pics later

From what i have been told should be fine(waiting for conformation from magna boys in there forum) , look pretty good might post pics later

Mmm if they do suit it would make them a great option for the Magna boys and may entice me into going up to 18 x 8's as you can get better (maybe even cheaper) rubber for them.

Same offset as 380, +46mm,just been confirmed buy one off the Magna boys.Worked out for mine less than $250 a corner for ku-19's.Im happy only going 18" but I suppose each to there own. The main reason I went for kuhmo was non directional,therefore quieter,and the option to rotate tyres any where on the car,should get a bit longer tyre life that way I hope.

I have Khumo ECSTA.
Very pleased. Good in wet and dry. Quite quiet too

I have Khumo ECSTA.
Very pleased. Good in wet and dry. Quite quiet too

The Kuhmos certainly have a few good choices. If I were younger and single I would have a good hard look at the KU36.

According to the owner's manual the offset for 380 wheels (all stock sizes) is +46.

Had a look at my recently fitted 19" wheels and the offset appears to be either +36 or +38 (the little numbers on the back of the wheel face are tiny, poorly defined and bloody difficult to read, can't tell if the last digit is a 6 or an 8).

From what little I know about offset, this means my current wheels 'stick out' either 10mm or 8mm less than if their offest was +46.

I don't see this as a bad thing, if the offset was +46 then I can't see how they would clear the guards, especially the rear guards. I don't have any problems or issues with the inner edges of the tyres fouling on anything, which I guess could happen if the offset was too small.

So is +36 or +38 offset correct for 19" wheels on a 380 or not?

(PS - tyres are 245/35 19 if that makes any difference).

KJ.

You have your offsets slightly mixed up. A +38 rim actually sticks out 8mm more than a +46 rim. I double checked with this (http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp).

I don't think there's such thing as a 'correct' offset. As long as you don't get any fouling on suspension components, and your rim/tyre sits inside the guard (for legality), you should be OK. I say this as most Magna owners seem to have aftermarket rims in the +35 to +42 offset range. Mine's +38 and apart from rolling the rear guards, I've had no issues (even with lowered suspension, heavy loads and bumpy roads). However, some people have gone as high as a +30 offset without drama (although I imagine super-stiff suspension stops them from scraping the guards).

You have your offsets slightly mixed up. A +38 rim actually sticks out 8mm more than a +46 rim. I double checked with this (http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp).

I don't think there's such thing as a 'correct' offset. As long as you don't get any fouling on suspension components, and your rim/tyre sits inside the guard (for legality), you should be OK. I say this as most Magna owners seem to have aftermarket rims in the +35 to +42 offset range. Mine's +38 and apart from rolling the rear guards, I've had no issues (even with lowered suspension, heavy loads and bumpy roads). However, some people have gone as high as a +30 offset without drama (although I imagine super-stiff suspension stops them from scraping the guards).

Thanks mate, clear as mud now.

Looks like I needed to go 36 or 38mm offset to clear suspension components, given the extra width of the 19" wheels over stock (8.5" v 6.5" or 7").

Also helps to explain why the 245/40 19s I originally fitted scraped on the rear guards as soon as I put any sort of load in the back, and I had to change them for 245/35 19s

One last question.

The invoice shows the product code for the wheels as W3815735514.

Could the first two digits (38) be the offset?

KJ.

Your 380 owners manual has the offset quoted in it.

It's 46mm.

Thanks mate, clear as mud now.

Looks like I needed to go 36 or 38mm offset to clear suspension components, given the extra width of the 19" wheels over stock (8.5" v 6.5" or 7").

Also helps to explain why the 245/40 19s I originally fitted scraped on the rear guards as soon as I put any sort of load in the back, and I had to change them for 245/35 19s

One last question.

The invoice shows the product code for the wheels as W3815735514.

Could the first two digits (38) be the offset?

KJ.
Just cut them buddy....:ninja:

Geez ,i thought we cleared this up in recent posts. Yep 46mm is the original offset and If you stick to that(or close,mine45) you will have no issues with rubbing with 19's and the 40 series tyres.I guess if you keep to the same overall diameter as the 245/40/19 and a correct offset you could step up to 20-22's rims and be ok but you would have licorice strips for tyres. Have had a heavy trailer on the back and the wheelarches were covering the tops off the tyres(looked sweet) and still no rubbing on a 1000k trip. 5-10 mm offset change in the wrong direction is all it takes to rub on stuff..:thumbsup:

Geez ,i thought we cleared this up in recent posts. Yep 46mm is the original offset and If you stick to that(or close,mine45) you will have no issues with rubbing with 19's and the 40 series tyres.I guess if you keep to the same overall diameter as the 245/40/19 and a correct offset you could step up to 20-22's rims and be ok but you would have licorice strips for tyres. Have had a heavy trailer on the back and the wheelarches were covering the tops off the tyres(looked sweet) and still no rubbing on a 1000k trip.:thumbsup:

I can vouch for the 22's....they HAVE to be the 36mm offset other wise the rim will stick out past the guard and that would be illegal...:ninja:

I can vouch for the 22's....they HAVE to be the 36mm offset other wise the rim will stick out past the guard and that would be illegal...:ninja:

Now I'm getting confused again!

Going by what Red Valdez has said (and he appears to be right), the smaller the offset the more the wheel 'sticks out'.

Stock for a 380 is +46 (yes Blackstar, I did know that, see my earlier post), so +36 sticks out 10mm more than stock. Then we have to factor in a wider wheel as well, say 8.5" v 7". Half of that difference (around 39mm) is say 19mm (half of the difference because we are measuring from the centreline of the wheel to the outer edge), so a +36 offset 19" rim would stick out 29mm more than a +46 offset 17" wheel. That's a bit over one inch, quite a lot and enough to cause rubbing under some circumstances.

So how is +36 right for your 22s MCHenry?

Or did you mean +46?

Or are you running relatively narrow wheels & tyres?

If it turns out that I really should have got +46 offset wheels and not the +36 or +38 I have now, and these 'wrong' offset wheels is what caused my rubbing problem, then I'll be seriously considering going back to the dealer and demanding replacement wheels & tyres for free, in the size I originally specified (245/40 19).

KJ

Sorry mate.....I was confusing myself there about the smaller the offset the more the wheel sticks out. You are right! But from the guys that we got the rims from said that they have an offest of 36. We are running a 8.5" rim with 245 tyre.

The smaller the offset, the further the wheel will stick out. Check out this link for an explanation :
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=101

The smaller the offset, the further the wheel will stick out. Check out this link for an explanation :
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=101

Excellent explanation mate!

Half of that difference (around 39mm) is say 19mm (half of the difference because we are measuring from the centreline of the wheel to the outer edge), so a +36 offset 19" rim would stick out 29mm more than a +46 offset 17" wheel. That's a bit over one inch, quite a lot and enough to cause rubbing under some circumstances.
Just get the guards rolled. It's a common procedure across all makes of cars when you fit wider wheels. Most panel beaters or tyre shops should be able to do it. My rims aren't ridiculously big (8", 235, +38) and my suspension isn't stupidly low (King Lows) yet I know I wouldn't have made it far without rubbing the guards, and I imagine a 380 would be similar.

You could get rims that were offset to sit further in the guards, but to be honest, that defeats half the point of aftermarket rims. I love my new rims since they sit right out in the guards - it gives the car a very nice stance. Plus, a +46 8.5" rim would sit a further 19mm towards your suspension components, which may cause some difficulties.

If rubbing on the rear guards is causing you your harm, I would definitely get them rolled before investigating different rims and/or tyres.

If you like I will take a few pictures of the inside of the wheel and show you how close we are to everything.

Just get the guards rolled. It's a common procedure across all makes of cars when you fit wider wheels. Most panel beaters or tyre shops should be able to do it. My rims aren't ridiculously big (8", 235, +38) and my suspension isn't stupidly low (King Lows) yet I know I wouldn't have made it far without rubbing the guards, and I imagine a 380 would be similar.

You could get rims that were offset to sit further in the guards, but to be honest, that defeats half the point of aftermarket rims. I love my new rims since they sit right out in the guards - it gives the car a very nice stance. Plus, a +46 8.5" rim would sit a further 19mm towards your suspension components, which may cause some difficulties.

If rubbing on the rear guards is causing you your harm, I would definitely get them rolled before investigating different rims and/or tyres.

Yeah, as per my earlier post, I thought there might be a problem with suspension clearance with +46mm offset.

Maybe the tyre dealer knew this and that's why they fitted +36 or +38 offset rims.

When it comes time to replace the tyres I'll look into getting the guards rolled, so I can fit 245/40 19s without rubbing hassles.

No rubbing at the moment with the 245/35 19s, but I'd prefer 40 profile for a number of reasons.

KJ.

Kj380...can you tell us what you are actually scrubbing on? Is it the actual guard, or is it (as I found) the joining bolt that joins that bumper to the guard.

Kj380...can you tell us what you are actually scrubbing on? Is it the actual guard, or is it (as I found) the joining bolt that joins that bumper to the guard.

Matt,

With the 245/40 19s fitted I thought they were rubbing on the top inner edges of the rear guards (on the 2mm inner 'lip' to be precise) and not on the joining bolts (and I know exactly which bolts you mean). Come to think of it, every time I accelerated any quicker than gently they rubbed as well, so maybe they were rubbing on these bolts too? But these bolts are to the rear of centre and I guess there would be a bit of rearward weight transfer under acceleration, which would cause the tyres to rub on any bolts near the front edges of the guards not the rear edges. Also, the gap from the top of the tyre to the top of the wheel arch is/was a lot smaller than the gap between the tyres and these bolts. The rubbing only lasted for a kilometer or so before I turned around & took it back to the tyre dealer and got him to swap the tyres for 35 profile, and I haven't had any rubbing since.

KJ.

Yeah, as per my earlier post, I thought there might be a problem with suspension clearance with +46mm offset.

Maybe the tyre dealer knew this and that's why they fitted +36 or +38 offset rims.

When it comes time to replace the tyres I'll look into getting the guards rolled, so I can fit 245/40 19s without rubbing hassles.

No rubbing at the moment with the 245/35 19s, but I'd prefer 40 profile for a number of reasons.

KJ.


Try this link it will help
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg2.html

Im a tad perplexed about this as looking at my tyre package (245/30/22) compared to yours (245/40/19) our diameter is only 2.72cm larger. The only thing we were really scrubbing on was the said bolt. Granted that we are running a -3.62 camber on the rear and -1.87 on the front. We actually dont rub on the wheel arch itself, only the outer guard. Have you taken off your wheel just to check where it is rubbing?

This is interesting.

I'm running +38 offset on 19 245/40 so if I go to King Lows I'll have to roll the guards.

Ok a few pics of the clearances between the wheel and suspension components.
Rear wheel well clearance
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss237/Maffsho0/Under%20the%20car/IMG_1321-1.jpg
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss237/Maffsho0/Under%20the%20car/IMG_1326-1.jpg
The gap between the tyre and the guard on the rear
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss237/Maffsho0/Under%20the%20car/IMG_1333-1.jpg
On the front, the bolt that holds the front bumper to the guard (as you can see we hit it a lot).
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss237/Maffsho0/Under%20the%20car/IMG_1327-1.jpg
Front suspension clearances
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss237/Maffsho0/Under%20the%20car/IMG_1330-1.jpg
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss237/Maffsho0/Under%20the%20car/IMG_1330-1.jpg

This is interesting.

I'm running +38 offset on 19 245/40 so if I go to King Lows I'll have to roll the guards.

I have 245/40/19 +35 offset with Lows on the rear & they rubbed. Got the guards rolled & they still rubbed. Since I had the 15mm spacer fitted, it has only rubbed once or twice.

Hell Matt that is damn close to the base of the coil assembly!! Best check the tread depth as well as size of tyre eh?

Hell Matt that is damn close to the base of the coil assembly!! Best check the tread depth as well as size of tyre eh?

There is just enough clearance that you CANT out your finger between them!!

Matt,

With the 245/40 19s fitted I thought they were rubbing on the top inner edges of the rear guards (on the 2mm inner 'lip' to be precise) and not on the joining bolts (and I know exactly which bolts you mean). Come to think of it, every time I accelerated any quicker than gently they rubbed as well, so maybe they were rubbing on these bolts too? But these bolts are to the rear of centre and I guess there would be a bit of rearward weight transfer under acceleration, which would cause the tyres to rub on any bolts near the front edges of the guards not the rear edges. Also, the gap from the top of the tyre to the top of the wheel arch is/was a lot smaller than the gap between the tyres and these bolts. The rubbing only lasted for a kilometer or so before I turned around & took it back to the tyre dealer and got him to swap the tyres for 35 profile, and I haven't had any rubbing since.

KJ.




225/40-ZR19 fits perfectly with 46mm offset as per the book.

That's what the TMR compliance plate says.

Guys getting some new rubber for the 380...Dont want to spend much bcause we are selling..Also dont want to put shit rubber on either. Was having a read through here seen that the stock size for the 17" rim is 215/55 17 I have been rolling on 245/45 17 since buying.

Maybe thats why the speedo is so far out??

Looking at Bridgestone supercats in the standard size. any one tried them????

215/55/17 circumference is 66.82 cm
245/45/17 circumference is 65.22 cm

I'm pretty sure there's a percentage/diff its allowed to be right?

I would assume it would be a small allowable difference. Got the Supercats.... Pretty impressed so far and the ride is alot better and is much quieter. Excellent price too.. Im enjoying the 380 all over again....dang.

I would assume it would be a small allowable difference. Got the Supercats.... Pretty impressed so far and the ride is alot better and is much quieter. Excellent price too.. Im enjoying the 380 all over again....dang.

The allowable difference is +-15mm.

215/55/17 = Diameter 668.3mm
245/45/17 = Diameter 652.3mm

That's 16mm, so technically illegal. Also the speedo would be well out. The 245/45/17 will read 2.4% too fast, meaning when you're doing 100km/h indicated by your speedo, your real speed will be 97.6km/h. Given that the speedo already reads fast by probably 6-8km/h at 100km/h, when your speedo indicates you're travelling at 100km/h, your real speed is probably closer to 89km/h.

^^^^^^^^^^ good calculations that is almost spot on....when driving from ACT I was sitting on 120 on the speedo actual speed was about 105 ish. I always wondered why i was getting over taken. HAHAHAHAH

245's would be a shoe horn fit too on standard rims. Not really adviseable. 225/50/17 seem to be ok on mine but again there is a small amount of speedo error. I am surprised that anyone would fit the 245's for you on that rim.

They were on the car when I bought it.. I always thought they looked balooned on the bottom. but i just assumed maybe because it was vrx had a wider rim .. Until idid research. The tyre guy said the 245 45 17 is a cheaper tyre then the 215 55 17 and probably why it was on there.

They were on the car when I bought it.. I always thought they looked balooned on the bottom. but i just assumed maybe because it was vrx had a wider rim .. Until idid research. The tyre guy said the 245 45 17 is a cheaper tyre then the 215 55 17 and probably why it was on there.
.....and more risky a tyre to put on too. It is waaaay too big for the rim and that tyre place should have had the commonsense to tell you this. IMO it is dangerous

I'm running Toyo Teo's - pretty happy with them. Not the cheapest tyre, but not too bad either - about the $220-230 mark.

OK just to bump this thread a bit, I am going to get some new tyres on the other car. Going to try the Maxxis I-Pro's out. For the 205/50/16 they are $185 f&b. Not too bad. We will see how they grip eh.

Alright guys got a question. I am coming up to tyre replacement time and of course being a uni student I cannot possibly afford the best...so my question is, what CHEAP tyres would you guys recommend. When I bought the car the dealer had Federal Formoza's fitted and they have been an acceptable tyre and fairly cheap from what I have heard so I was thinking of sticking to them unless anybody has another cheapish tyre they can recommend with good levels of grip and wear. I still have the standard 215/55 R17

Cheers, Mikey

Mikey,

Maybe have a look at the Maxxis MA-Z1 Victra from Bob Jane T Mart. They stock them in your size, and they usually have a good price on them (though nothing in the latest catalogue). I'm guessing around the $150 a corner mark.
They grip well in the dry and are excellent in the wet. Don't know for sure about wear, but I've done 10,000k so far on mine (admittedly a bit bigger size - 245/35 R19) and they are showing very little sign of wear. I reckon they would be close to the best bang for your buck tyre going around. You can get cheaper tyres in your size, down to say $100 a corner, but they would have lousy grip & handling.

KJ.

Mikey,

Maybe have a look at the Maxxis MA-Z1 Victra from Bob Jane T Mart. They stock them in your size, and they usually have a good price on them (though nothing in the latest catalogue). I'm guessing around the $150 a corner mark.
They grip well in the dry and are excellent in the wet. Don't know for sure about wear, but I've done 10,000k so far on mine (admittedly a bit bigger size - 245/35 R19) and they are showing very little sign of wear. I reckon they would be close to the best bang for your buck tyre going around. You can get cheaper tyres in your size, down to say $100 a corner, but they would have lousy grip & handling.

KJ.

Cheers KJ, I have at least a few thousand k's left in these ones so I'll definitely check them out. Does anybody know anything about the Federals? I'd probably get them again because so far no complaints, but it is good to hear others opinions

Don't know for sure about wear, but I've done 10,000k so far on mine (admittedly a bit bigger size - 245/35 R19) and they are showing very little sign of wear.
The MA-Z1s are a soft tyre so wear is on the quicker side, but they come with a pretty deep tread to begin with. My Z1s after 10,000kms look identical to the 1,000km old Falken FK-452s on my dad's Commodore :)


Does anybody know anything about the Federals? I'd probably get them again because so far no complaints, but it is good to hear others opinions
In terms of dry-weather grip, the Federal 595s are closer to the Z1s than the Federals you mentioned. If performance (both wet and dry) is a priority, I'd go the Z1s over the Formozas.

Myself I went with Kuhmo KU19 245/45/18 and have found them to be very good,quiet(asymetrical not directional) as and good wear, so far at 5500k since new and no sign of wear as yet and at $250/corner quiet resonable price compared to many other tyres I was quoted.

I am not sure that they make the MA-Z1 in the 215/55/17 but remember you can also go for the 225/50/17 without any hassles on that rim. Speedo reads a little over but that is not too bad. If anyone can get the MA-Z1 in that size please let me know as I will def grab them for myself. I have run them on several cars and they are an excellent tyre for the price with impressive wet weather grip.

215/55R17 94W
225/45R17 94W

http://www.maxxis.com/AutomobileLight-Truck/High-Performance/MA-Z1-Victra.aspx

I am not sure that they make the MA-Z1 in the 215/55/17 but remember you can also go for the 225/50/17 without any hassles on that rim. Speedo reads a little over but that is not too bad. If anyone can get the MA-Z1 in that size please let me know as I will def grab them for myself. I have run them on several cars and they are an excellent tyre for the price with impressive wet weather grip.

See this Bob Jane page:

http://www.bobjane.com.au/tyreset-details/tyresetID/307/brand/maxxis/ispt/Tyres/isu/10.html?sid=

Lists the 215/55R17 but not the 225/50R17.

If given a choice I too would go for the 225/50 over the 215/55, depending on price.

KJ.

See this Bob Jane page:

http://www.bobjane.com.au/tyreset-details/tyresetID/307/brand/maxxis/ispt/Tyres/isu/10.html?sid=

Lists the 215/55R17 but not the 225/50R17.

If given a choice I too would go for the 225/50 over the 215/55, depending on price.

KJ.

Ladies and Gents,

215/55 R17 has a circumference of 2099.3 mm, 225/50 R17 has a circumference of 2062.7 mm, given that the 380 speedometer is already out by 6 or 7 km I would not want to add an additional gap of 1 km by using the smaller diameter.

Ladies and Gents,

215/55 R17 has a circumference of 2099.3 mm, 225/50 R17 has a circumference of 2062.7 mm, given that the 380 speedometer is already out by 6 or 7 km I would not want to add an additional gap of 1 km by using the smaller diameter.

My preference was based on the wider and lower profile tyre (supposedly) offering a little more grip and better road holding. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. And whether your speedo reads 7km/h fast or 8km/h fast (mine reads 7km/h fast at 110km/h) shouldn't make any difference in the real world, as long as you know how far out it is. The way to test is to use a satnav (preferrably two) and check the satnav speed v the speedo reading. Then once you know how far out your speedo is it's very easy to calculate your real speed, without the need for a satnav. Knowing your actual speed has nothing at all to do with road safety, it's purely and simply for legal compliance and to avoid the dreaded speeding tickets. Ask yourself this simple question - if I had no speedo at all, would I be able to drive safely? Only someone who is either very inexperienced or an awful driver would answer "no" to this question. Maybe, just maybe, a speedo is of some help to a complete novice driver in helping them to figure out whether or not they are driving safely, such that with a speedo they might not reach a speed (through poor judgment) which they (or their car) are not equipped to handle.

KJ.

I am getting some new tyres tomorrow

going for the ER300 turanza from Bridgestone in the 225/50 R17

the guy from BJT said oh I dont think you can

looked it up on miatanet and then said "oh that will open up a whole range of tyres and makes it cheaper by around 100 a corner"

I am getting some new tyres tomorrow

going for the ER300 turanza from Bridgestone in the 225/50 R17

the guy from BJT said oh I dont think you can

looked it up on miatanet and then said "oh that will open up a whole range of tyres and makes it cheaper by around 100 a corner"

Thats interesting. Im only planning on replacing two soon as the other two are wearing fine...and before you all make assumptions yes it is the front and its due to bad wheel alignment...the pot holes around here at the moment are hard to see with all the rain.... no other improper activity lol. Anyway, if the 225 turns out to be cheaper should there be any problems running them on the front even if I still have the original 215/55 R17's on the back?

235/50/17 is the closest in rolling diameter to the stock size, I didn't consider 225's when I changed my tyres.

Cars should run the same tyre all round, helps with handling.
It's also illegal IIRC to run different treads.. But they are a bit lenient (?) if you have same tread on the front and same tread on the back.

Keep in mind when the suspension was designed and tested for this car, identical tyres were used all round.

Tyres fitted as for the speedo being out PFFFFFFFTTTTT


GPS give true indication and when I am on highways I go off that

round town with NSW government going camera mad VERY HAPPY for the speed to read faster than what I am doing!

Stock the speedo already shows faster than you are actually traveling.

Good year Excellence 225/50/R17 - These are great, they seem to wear faster then other tyres, but they are quiet as and have great grip (wet and dry), comfort, and handling!

Not sure on the retails, they came with my BF SR wheels, but I'm impressed with them :)

Stock the speedo already shows faster than you are actually traveling.

I know that

I am not fussed FULLSTOP is my point

Good year Excellence 225/50/R17 - These are great, they seem to wear faster then other tyres, but they are quiet as and have great grip (wet and dry), comfort, and handling!

I had a set of them in the same size on my old VR-X rims. You're right, they ride beautifully and they're very quiet. The trade-off for ride comfort is that they have pretty soft sidewalls, which affects handling - you can feel the tyres squeam under hard cornering (even with the tyres pumped right up). While they have reasonable grip, they always felt pretty floaty to me. They seemed to wear OK - I'd guesstimate at least 50k out of a set.

I moved to a set of Maxxis MA-Z1 and the difference is noticable. The Z1s are a very sports-orientated tyre - much harder sidewalls and a LOT noisier. However, the Z1s grip like anything, and even at pedestrian speeds, it feels much more planted to the road than the Excellence.

The Excellence aren't cheap ($250 each for 225/50R17) but they're a very nice comfort-orientated all-round tyre.

I

I moved to a set of Maxxis MA-Z1 and the difference is noticable. The Z1s are a very sports-orientated tyre - much harder sidewalls and a LOT noisier.


How much did you get the MA-Z1's for and where from and what size?

235/40R18 95W from Jax Quickfit in Gladstone, Qld. Was originally quoted $280 a tyre, but they were down to $240 a tyre when I went in to purchase them. This is in July last year.

Tyres fitted as for the speedo being out PFFFFFFFTTTTT


GPS give true indication and when I am on highways I go off that

round town with NSW government going camera mad VERY HAPPY for the speed to read faster than what I am doing!

I will run with mecha on this one. I have been running the 225/50/17 Proxes 4 (overpriced and overrated IMHO) and my speedo reads over, but if you know it does you compensate for that and it is a little bit more of a security buffer if you suffer a "senior moment" around a speed camera of hwy patrol on the prowl.
I will certainly be going with the MA-Z1's next time around and would have this time but couldn't get any in either size from anyone for love or money!!

Mmm they have certainly gone up since people have discovered how good they are. I daresay that BJ's would beat that if they had them in stock and even if they didn't they would undercut them.

235/40R18 95W from Jax Quickfit in Gladstone, Qld. Was originally quoted $280 a tyre, but they were down to $240 a tyre when I went in to purchase them. This is in July last year.

235/40R18 95W from Jax Quickfit in Gladstone, Qld. Was originally quoted $280 a tyre, but they were down to $240 a tyre when I went in to purchase them. This is in July last year.

That's pricey? I want with the Z1 for $239 last January on the XR8 in 245/35/19 from Bob Jane. They went up to $249 at that size and I think they still are but I won't need tyres on that car for ages as I rarely drive it.

Bob Jane were pretty unhelpful, I said I wanted a performance tyre for my Magna, they basically laughed at me... quote 'at least it's lowered'. They suggested the MA-V1s (at $199 each) as well as the Falken ZE-912.

Bob Jane were pretty unhelpful, I said I wanted a performance tyre for my Magna, they basically laughed at me... quote 'at least it's lowered'. They suggested the MA-V1s (at $199 each) as well as the Falken ZE-912.

MA_V1's are nothing but faeces..please let all your friends know not to buy them. Performance tyre my glutious maxxis-mus lol

I got my tyres from Bob Jane. Best tyres yet imo.. Pirelli Dragons :)

Bob Jane were pretty unhelpful, I said I wanted a performance tyre for my Magna, they basically laughed at me... quote 'at least it's lowered'. They suggested the MA-V1s (at $199 each) as well as the Falken ZE-912.

If you want a real budget performance tyre, go with Kuhmo KU-36.

The Kendall are $157 each fitted and balanced.

I recently got new rubber for my Commodore SV6 Sportwagon.

I got a quote on the original 245/45/18 Bridgestone RE050A's which where on the car and they came back with $590 per corner :eek2:

I've ended up getting Kumo Platinum KU27 tyres for the car at $340 per corner and I have to say that I think they are actually a better tyre by a long stretch. Fantastic in the wet, corner well and you cannot hear a thing in the cabin, its actually quiet eierry its so quiet!

I'd recommend these for sure if you like cruising with abit of fun (they are not a "flat out" tyre as they are non directional, for the amount of K's I do, I prefer a premium quiet tyre as apposed to performance)

I recently got new rubber for my Commodore SV6 Sportwagon.

I got a quote on the original 245/45/18 Bridgestone RE050A's which where on the car and they came back with $590 per corner :eek2:

I've ended up getting Kumo Platinum KU27 tyres for the car at $340 per corner and I have to say that I think they are actually a better tyre by a long stretch. Fantastic in the wet, corner well and you cannot hear a thing in the cabin, its actually quiet eierry its so quiet!

I'd recommend these for sure if you like cruising with abit of fun (they are not a "flat out" tyre as they are non directional, for the amount of K's I do, I prefer a premium quiet tyre as apposed to performance)

with a UTQG rating of 600 they will never wear out!! lol

I am getting some new tyres tomorrow

going for the ER300 turanza from Bridgestone in the 225/50 R17

the guy from BJT said oh I dont think you can

looked it up on miatanet and then said "oh that will open up a whole range of tyres and makes it cheaper by around 100 a corner"

How much were these tyres fitted and balanced if you dont mind me asking mecha?

Hey Mecha you can tell those guys BJ that they are FOS if they think that the 225/50/17 doesn't fit as I have been running them for over a year with no problems apart from a speedo that is reading slightly more that usual. Call it a safety buffer if you like.
I am seriously looking at the Accelera Alphas next time around as they rated rather well in a wheels tyre test ( http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2008/tyre-test-2008-6873 ) and you can get them for around $130 a corner. Not quite up on the maxxis maz1 but at over $100 cheaper a corner who really gives a rats eh? They are no shopping trolley tyre from what I hear but present as really good value for money. Havent found any UTQG rating for them, and quite frankly I dont think I will.
If I roll the dice on them I will let you guys know. It will be interesting.
PS Mecha they tested the Turanzas there as well and they werent as good sorry mate.

I got all four tyres fitted, balanced and aligned for $937

Matey I have flogged the crap out of these tyres since I got them and they stick to the tarmac like shit to a blanket, stop me quick and are very good in the wet, compared to my pirellis and the maxxis I used to run they are fantastic

They are not the best tyre I have ever had (pirelli P5000 were AWESOME before they discountinued them)but keeping the 380 on the road they are very good (plus they are AU made and were on special too)

I got all four tyres fitted, balanced and aligned for $937

Matey I have flogged the crap out of these tyres since I got them and they stick to the tarmac like shit to a blanket, stop me quick and are very good in the wet, compared to my pirellis and the maxxis I used to run they are fantastic

They are not the best tyre I have ever had (pirelli P5000 were AWESOME before they discountinued them)but keeping the 380 on the road they are very good (plus they are AU made and were on special too)

FLAMIN BLAST!! I was in a rush to get tyres for mine and settled for the Dunlop Sport SP230's as thats all they had there....i think they are the factory tyre? Anyway 951 bucks later they are completely hopeless. Noisy and have pretty rubbish grip. The bloke at beaurepaires was adamant that 225's would scrub on my car :wtf: :disgusted

What sort of Km's are people getting? My 07 VRX has 55000kms they look as though they have about 15000kms left.

FLAMIN BLAST!! I was in a rush to get tyres for mine and settled for the Dunlop Sport SP230's as thats all they had there....i think they are the factory tyre? Anyway 951 bucks later they are completely hopeless. Noisy and have pretty rubbish grip. The bloke at beaurepaires was adamant that 225's would scrub on my car :wtf: :disgusted
You must have been speaking to Wayne Kerr at Beaurepaires as my 225's definately dont go anywhere near rubbing!!
The two types of tyres that I am looking at next will be the Neuton NT5000 or the Accelera Alpha. I can get both of these around $130-$150 a corner which makes them $350+ cheaper than what you guys bought. I have no idea on the wear but I know that they aren't too bad a tyre in the wet.
Mecha, your tyre (if you read the test results) rated brilliant in wet weather braking, but was down the bottom of the field in other areas. Weird eh seeing it blitzed them in the wet braking!!

What sort of Km's are people getting? My 07 VRX has 55000kms they look as though they have about 15000kms left.
I havent actually used a complete set up as yet but am up to 30 thou and have a bit to go on the Toyo Proxes 4.

You must have been speaking to Wayne Kerr at Beaurepaires as my 225's definately dont go anywhere near rubbing!!
The two types of tyres that I am looking at next will be the Neuton NT5000 or the Accelera Alpha. I can get both of these around $130-$150 a corner which makes them $350+ cheaper than what you guys bought. I have no idea on the wear but I know that they aren't too bad a tyre in the wet.
Mecha, your tyre (if you read the test results) rated brilliant in wet weather braking, but was down the bottom of the field in other areas. Weird eh seeing it blitzed them in the wet braking!!

Wheeldemon Tyres seem to be the distributor for these brand of tyres. My 380 probably have another 15k km of tyres life left, so might be checking out these value for money tyres soon. 380matey, do update the performance and pricing if you got some Neuton or Accelera for your ride.

http://www.wheeldemon.com.au/tyres

Am trying to decide which of the following tyres to go with. Any recommendations out of these below or maybe some others.

Tyres to replace originals 215/55 17.

Maxxis MA-Z1 $200 ea, Bridgestone Adrenaline $210 ea or Toyo TEO Plus @240 ea.

Only need to replace two at this time otherwise would have considered 225's

The Z1 have a good rep and I have them on my Falcon but I have those Toyo's on my car and they are great for the 380. Great grip in wet and dry and they are going strong after almost 30k.

Am trying to decide which of the following tyres to go with. Any recommendations out of these below or maybe some others.

Tyres to replace originals 215/55 17.

Maxxis MA-Z1 $200 ea, Bridgestone Adrenaline $210 ea or Toyo TEO Plus @240 ea.

Only need to replace two at this time otherwise would have considered 225's

Which Adrenaline tyre? RE001? That would be my pick if so. Otherwise, the Maxxis tyre is a very solid performer also. Never used the Toyo, so can't comment. However, I've always steered clear of Toyo - just a personal thing.

I love Toyo's. Proxes4 were awesome on my Falcon. I have the Z1's on there now when I went to 19" as the Proxes were a lot more but if the same price I'd have gone the Toyo's again.

The Teo's though perform and wear well on the 380.

I love Toyo's. Proxes4 were awesome on my Falcon. I have the Z1's on there now when I went to 19" as the Proxes were a lot more but if the same price I'd have gone the Toyo's again.

The Teo's though perform and wear well on the 380.

Evo X FQ400 comes standard with Toyo Proxes R1R, so they can't be all bad. ;)

If going for the Maxxis why not try the Z4S.

Z4's are lower on the performance scale than the Z1, though are probably a fine tyre for the 380.

Mate has the R1R in his R32 and they are awesome tyres... but they're also not cheap so you get what you pay for really :) $300+/corner at reasonable sizes.

Evo X FQ400 comes standard with Toyo Proxes R1R, so they can't be all bad. ;)
Yeah, it's the T1Rs that are shit.

I just replaced a set of TEO's on my 2nd car (TJ Magna) - front's did 40,000k's. Rears still good for 20-30,000k's (never rotated during 4 years on car). They grip well in dry and are great in wet. Very quiet also. They will be going onto my 380 when current tyres need replacing.

Yeah, it's the T1Rs that are shit.
Yeah from what I can see in testing the Z1's out brake them in the wet by 2 metres!! A lot of damage can happen in 2 metres!! I just don't see them as good value for money. I have the Proxes on only because that is all they had at the time that was halfway reasonable and the tyres that came on my VRX were just suicide in the wet, and they were new!! I put the Maxxis I Pro on our other car to see what they were like. Not as good as the Z's.

Just spent considerable internet hours reviewing comment/opinion of the best alround 215/55/R17 tyres to replace the original Dunlops on my 380SX following 28000km driven from new in a very conservative manner. I decided on Toyo Teo Plus purchased from Tyrepower Holden Hill in Adelaide. $985 fitted. One other quote from a Bridgestone outlet $40 more. No other quotes obtained however not a lot of dealers in Adelaide seem to stock Toyo. Advice from the Tyrepower manager was inflate tyres to at least 36lb for normal about town driving & rotate/balance at 5000km intervals to get the best life out of them. Even 38lb if you can put up with the harder ride but particularly at 38lb for high speed / windy roads. Try the higher pressure for a week or two and if the ride still feels too hard deflate a couple of pounds. Mitsi's 32lb standard is insufficient hence the excessive wear to the shoulder of each tyre common with underinflation. Co-incides with the Dunlops premature wear & appearance of being a bit flat. Not really a fair indication of their quality. Will provide update of the Teo's performance over time. Initial experience with the Teo's confirms a quiet and comfortable ride despite the higher pressure. Appearance wise, streamlined & conservative - not for those seeking to dress up rims.

Teos are damned good tyres for the price. I have them on my wife's Neon.
I run my Falkens at 40lb.

I run Michaelin Pilor Sports all round. Damn good tyre but expensive.

Just spent considerable internet hours reviewing comment/opinion of the best alround 215/55/R17 tyres to replace the original Dunlops on my 380SX following 28000km driven from new in a very conservative manner. I decided on Toyo Teo Plus purchased from Tyrepower Holden Hill in Adelaide. $985 fitted. .
Just gave the Toyo Proxes 4 the boot. They were just above the tread wear indicator and lasted 40k. I have gone back to stock size 215/55/17 in the Maxxis Ma-Z1 Victra @ $184 a corner from BJT. Pretty impressed with them as they put the wheels back on with the rattle gun then OMG they went around with a torque wrench on each nut. Well done BJ's. When I asked them what they put in them they said 38 PSI. Ok I am more than happy now. Teo's are a good quiet tyre but the Maxxis would outdo them in grip and braking potential and at $250 cheaper to boot. Calculating tyre wear based on the Toyo's ( I may get more out of these, who knows) and factoring in the prices divided by each other x 40000 would make the Maxxis equivilant mileage to the Toyos of 53500 km. Worth a thought. We shall see how this pair of boots wear but already in the wet they seem heaps better and that is without the nipples wearing off yet. I have had the Maxxis on the Subaru before a few times and they are fantastic. and no I am not a Maxxis rep lol just happy with a great tyre at a reasonable price!!

I paid $180 for the Teo's on the 380 now, but traveled to Sydney for the day to get them. I figured it was worth the trip. Still going great guns, but the Z1'a are great on the XR8.

I paid $180 for the Teo's on the 380 now, but traveled to Sydney for the day to get them. I figured it was worth the trip. Still going great guns, but the Z1'a are great on the XR8.

I will/would be interested to see what people get out of both the Maxxis and the Teos

I would be interested to see what mileage people get out of both the Teo and the MA-Z1

Brought another set of Kumho Ecsta's SPT in the same size as before 235/35 R20 for my 380 yesterday in Melbourne before making the trip home. i love these tires, the ones i had on the rears were at about the wear indicators and got roughly 52 thousand K's outa them, front left wasnt that old but rooted and drivers front is only a few months old so threw that in the boot and brang it back with me, love how they handle in the wet would reccommend them to anyone without a doubt

Thanks kif380, I looked at these tyres and YUMMM, so I purchased 4x Kumho ECSTA SPT - 225/50/ZR17 98W (http://kumhotyres.businesscatalyst.com/pcrku31.htm)@ $215ea.
Very impressed with them so far, nice quiet tyre on the highway too!!!

[EDIT] Sorry, I realize this is a 380 DB Series I - Series III (http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39) section

Have used the MA-Z1 now in the wet and dry and can say without a shadow of a doubt that they crap all over the Toyos. Even when the nipples were still on in the wet they were heaps better. They are more predictable and the car understeers far less in the wet, even accounting for the age of the Toyos. I have had them on several cars now and they never fail to impress me, especially in the wet and with value for money. Obviously there are other good tyres on offer too and different people have different criteria, but I find these really hard to go by and it seems that everyone that has had them on seems to agree.

Reading through this thread I am confused over the correct offsrt.
Some say 46 others 38.Which is it?

Reading through this thread I am confused over the correct offsrt.
Some say 46 others 38.Which is it?

46 is oem. 38 is for aftermarket rims.
That is, all factory rims, be it 15", 16" or 17" has a +ve offset of 46mm. You can have offsets between +ve 35 to +ve46. Anymore than +46 and it may hit suspension components. Anyless than +35 and it'll protrude the guards. Keep in mind that the offset cannot be changed by more than 12.5mm due to the fact that the track cannot be changed by more than 25mm.

Whats everyones opnions of the Kumho Ku21 ECSTA ASX? I plan on getting some when I get my new rims :)

Whats everyones opnions of the Kumho Ku21 ECSTA ASX? I plan on getting some when I get my new rims :)

I have them on my stock Gt rims. Great tyre in my opinion. Quiet, good in all conditions. However in 19" they are 'expensive" $350+ Thats why I am going for Maxxis on my 19's when I get them
Osaka RS5 hyperblack oooooooooo cant wait

I have them on my stock Gt rims. Great tyre in my opinion. Quiet, good in all conditions. However in 19" they are 'expensive" $350+ Thats why I am going for Maxxis on my 19's when I get them
Osaka RS5 hyperblack oooooooooo cant wait

I am getting 18s (prepares to get flamed lol). For 235/45/18 it will cost me $195 each.

What wheels yer gettin?
I reckon I checked out 20 different wheels on the net then found out they wernt available anymore etc

I am getting Speedy Infernos off a member here.

They look like this:

http://www.speedywheels.com.au/images/zoom/wheels/inferno-machined.jpg

Those Osaka rims look nice :happy:

I am getting 18s (prepares to get flamed lol). For 235/45/18 it will cost me $195 each.

Where do you get it for that price? Kumho lists it at $374 per tyre in that size.

Where do you get it for that price? Kumho lists it at $374 per tyre in that size.

North Terrace Tyres
http://www.nttyres.com/contactUs.php

That is a top price...well done.... like the rims with the deep dish, I had those shortlisted too but with black centre Seems like there will be a glut of 17" GT rims on the market LOL

Out of interest and before I get my new rims.... Is it a requirement to notify your insurance company of any changes in respect of changing from stock 17's to 19's?
I appreciate all insurance companies are different but has any one here had any problems?
Cheeers

Out of interest and before I get my new rims.... Is it a requirement to notify your insurance company of any changes in respect of changing from stock 17's to 19's?
I appreciate all insurance companies are different but has any one here had any problems?
Cheeers

Unlikely you will get problems. But it's always a good idea to let your insurance company know any time you change anything to do with your car like that. They will probably insure your rims for $3k without adjusting your premium at all.

Any word on the XM+'s or Dunlop 200E?

Just looking for some new comfortable/higher kilometer tyres for my TJ, XM+'s came in at 165 and 200E's at 159..

On a tight budget unfortunately :|

Ps, forgive my ignorance - but TJ 02 Sports need wheel balancing on front only or front/rear?

Well I am going to order my new rims from BJ next week but I am still a bit unsure what tyre profile to use.
I am getting 19's and I was going for 245/35/19 to make sure I dont rub/foul anything but I am thinking would 245/40/19 give me a less harsh harsh ride but, am I risking rubbing anywhere as I have Kings lows fitted allround. The local roads around here are pretty poor.
You guys with 19's and 20's will have the answer I need
Cheeers

Well I am going to order my new rims from BJ next week but I am still a bit unsure what tyre profile to use.
I am getting 19's and I was going for 245/35/19 to make sure I dont rub/foul anything but I am thinking would 245/40/19 give me a less harsh harsh ride but, am I risking rubbing anywhere as I have Kings lows fitted allround. The local roads around here are pretty poor.
You guys with 19's and 20's will have the answer I need
Cheeers
im running 245/35 on 8" wide 20s with superlow front and low rear and i have no scrubbing

in other news, just replaced two front tyres, stuck with the same tyres, roadstone n7000 in above size. 300$ each and i think thats great value i know of at least one other WA member running the same tyres on a smaller rim. highly recommed.

Well I am going to order my new rims from BJ next week but I am still a bit unsure what tyre profile to use.
I am getting 19's and I was going for 245/35/19 to make sure I dont rub/foul anything but I am thinking would 245/40/19 give me a less harsh harsh ride but, am I risking rubbing anywhere as I have Kings lows fitted allround. The local roads around here are pretty poor.
You guys with 19's and 20's will have the answer I need
Cheeers

Chris,

I've posted up several times about the rubbing problems I had with 245/40 19s, 38 offset. Bad rubbing on the rear wheel arches with Kings lows fitted. No problems at all with 245/35 19s same offset. But some others seem to have had few or no problems with 245/40 19s rubbing on the rear arches. 235/40 19 also seems to be a popular option with little or no rubbing problems (Fooz & Knotched IIRC).

All I can say for sure is that you won't have any rubbing problems with 245/35 19s but you might have problems with 245/40 19s, talking 38 offset in both cases.

The 40 profile should give you a fractionally softer ride than 35s, a smaller wheel arch gap (hence the rubbing at the rear!) and a more accurate speedo (less overread). I reckon you should go with the 35s to play safe, I believe they are also generally a bit cheaper than the 40s, but it's your choice, ya pays ya money and ya takes ya chances!

KJ.

I found out last weekend what it means to have Mitsubishi approved rims with correct offsets etc..


No rubbing......:happy::happy:


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Well, weird is all I can say.

I am now on Superlows both front and rear with 19" 245/40 38 offset.

No rubbing whatsoever. This is after two weeks of all types of driving. No rolling guards either.

Fooz and I measured each setup and my car is within mm of his when his had the SL fitted.

I have no answer - sorry.

Seems like pot luck whether you have problems or not.

I have 245/40/19 35 offset with low rears. Guards are rolled and I had rubbing issues.

I have 245/40/19 35 offset with low rears. Guards are rolled and I had rubbing issues.

Well that makes things interesting

245/35/19 is more common so I think you'll find them cheaper in the same brand/make, which is a bonus. I've never heard much about 245/40/19 before.

I think 245/40 would be the preferred option for comfort & speedo correction. You should be right on Lows but it's a bit of potluck as Knotched said on Superlows. His doesn't rub with my old setup but mine did. Mine even rubbed originally on the drivers rear with 35 series & Superlows. Must be all down to manufacturing tolerances?

I have lows allround but the car seems to sit lower than most lows I have seen. I would prefer 245/40 for the extra "padding/comfort" as my wife complained about my SS being too bumpy but I cant take the risk?

Just go the 40's then & deal with it if you need to. Chances are you won't have a problem & if you do it won't need much. I originally rolled mine with a pair of multigrips with tape over the jaws so it didn't mark the paint & just kept working back & forth over the top guard lip on the rear.

I have lows allround but the car seems to sit lower than most lows I have seen. I would prefer 245/40 for the extra "padding/comfort" as my wife complained about my SS being too bumpy but I cant take the risk?
I also used to own an SS with a bumpy ride....

I went 40 series for the reasons people have mention ie comfort etc but mainly due the fact mine is manual & low geared, I figured to extra couple off mm would assist with slightly taller gearing. Even after the guards were rolled I still had rubbing issues and ended up getting 15mm spacers put in at the rear to lift it a bit. Havent had any issues since doing that even with luggage in the boot. Strange thing is, it still sits fractionally lower at the rear and I have superlows on the front, lows on the rear with 15 mm spacers so go figure that one out!!!

"curiouser and curiouser" by the way 'bumpy' was her term
She wont even notice when I've changed the wheels !!

Chris,

Depending on which BJT store you go to (they are all independant franchises), I reckon your best bet is to fully explain your dilemma to the store manager.

Explain that you would prefer 245/40 19s, but you are a little worried they might rub on the rear wheel arches.

Ask the manager if it's OK to order in and fit 245/40 19s, but if they rub can he/will he swap them for 245/35 19s straight away with no charge. Presuming the 35s don't cost any more than the 40s.

You'll need to take the 40s for a little test drive, preferrably with some weight in the back such as the old wheels & tyres (stick two in the boot & two on the back seat).

Try stop/start, hard braking, WOT acceleration and full lock cornering at both slow & 'spirited' (coff) speeds.

If the test drive shows no rubbing then all is sweet (well not 100%, a fully loaded boot & back seat might still cause rubbing), but if any rubbing at all then take them back and get them swapped over for 35s.

This is pretty much what I did, but without laying it all out with the manager first. It only took me two minutes driving to realise that the 40s rubbed badly, so I turned around and went straight back to the BJT store and got them swapped for 35s. They probably weren't that impressed with me as both the rears 40s had big lines of rubber missing on their outside edges, and I doubt if they were sellable.

KJ.

had a little peek in my guards earlier. My 20's have been rubbing the SLIGHTEST bit when i go in and out of works underground car park which makes the wheels go right into the guards as i really have to angle it right to avoid it scraping the front and rear as the access ramp is ridiculously steep not lowered car friendly which has caused the tires to rub against a small bit of the plastic inner guards at the fronts and rear with the super lows and 235/35 profile.

I seldom carry 3 passengers but once the Lawn Bowls season starts (premier one not old farts stuff) we have to car pool and I can end up fully loaded with 4 adults and 4 bags of lawn bowls (and a case of beer) I reckon I might have to stick with 35's.
Thanks for all the imput guys, much appreciated
(suppose I could always take the wifes Magna but then she'd have to use mine and when I look at the gutter rash on her wheels noooooooooo

The thing is as the suspension goes lower the tops of the wheels fold in anyway. Another option if there is a little bit of contact is to get a bit more negative camber dialled in when you get your wheel alignment done.

The thing is as the suspension goes lower the tops of the wheels fold in anyway. Another option if there is a little bit of contact is to get a bit more negative camber dialled in when you get your wheel alignment done.

I found even with the 35s that the negative camber increased by itself quite a lot, so much so that I wore out the inner edges of the rear tyres fairly quickly. But being slightly under-inflated probably contributed as well.
So I'd be a little careful about dialling in too much neg camber just to 'make' the tyres clear the rear wheel arches.

KJ.

I found even with the 35s that the negative camber increased by itself quite a lot, so much so that I wore out the inner edges of the rear tyres fairly quickly. But being slightly under-inflated probably contributed as well.
So I'd be a little careful about dialling in too much neg camber just to 'make' the tyres clear the rear wheel arches.

KJ.
I was running 0.5 degree negative all round with the superlows & I had perfect tyre wear on my last set of tyres. Just got the wheel alignment done with the coilovers on & am now running 1 dgree negative all round.

I was running 0.5 degree negative all round with the superlows & I had perfect tyre wear on my last set of tyres. Just got the wheel alignment done with the coilovers on & am now running 1 dgree negative all round.

Yeah, .5 or 1 degree shouldn't be a problem, but I think mine was running about 3 degees on one side and 4 degrees on the other before I fitted the new 20s and had a wheel alignment done. Not intentionally, it just seems that the suspension 'settled' that way by itself and I was too slack/lazy to get it checked & fixed.

Wow changing wheels won't cause that. Maybe the adjustment cams weren't tight & they moved or it was always adjusted incorrectly? Only lowering will change the camber normaly.

well I am sure my rears have settled quite a bit since the lows were fitted 6months ago. I just measured from ground to centre of rear wheel arch and I get 66cm how does that compare?

well I am sure my rears have settled quite a bit since the lows were fitted 6months ago. I just measured from ground to centre of rear wheel arch and I get 66cm how does that compare?

Mine are about 66.5cm to the bottom lip although my wheels with the 40 series will be higher than your stockos. That's pretty well what it was with the Superlows also (maybe 5mm higher). You sure they didn't put Superlows in?

The more I look into the pros and cons of going up to 19's the more doubts enter my decision making. Apart from whether they actually slow acceleration slightly due to increased weight is not a factor in my decision making, but what is a factor for me is whether the ride will be too harsh on 19's with 35 profile tyres.
So I know this subject has been done to death already but you guys with 19's/20's did you notice any significant deterioration in ride comfort?
I dont think I will get away with 40 profile as mentioned earler . Opinions please. Once I hand over my $2k+ theres no going back (sortof)
The other option is 18's with 40 profile but then I wont achieve what I'm after. What a dilemma!!
Cheeers

to be honest,the ride is a bit firmer,but ,it feels way better than the 55 series of the stockies..

...im running 245/35/19 and i find the ride quite good,main thing ,my wife hasn't complained at all in the difference in ride and thats going from stock 215/55/17 then to 235/45/17 and now to the above.

And besides,given the total transformation you get in looks,it will more than offset any apprehension you have about ride issues.

In some ways you cant have the best of both worlds,but in this case,well in my case,i LOVE the look and ride of my 19's.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x112/micpea/Image0423.jpg

I feel better already...(especially if your wife hasnt complained)By the way the car looks great. The rims I am after are hyperblack (gunmetal) with a ss rim not dissimilar to yours.
Cheers

Keep in mind that mike has pedders suspension which is softer than king lows which you have chrisv.

Keep in mind that mike has pedders suspension which is softer than king lows which you have chrisv.

Well that bit of info didnt help me decide......cheeers

Keep in mind that mike has pedders suspension which is softer than king lows which you have chrisv.

yes,but i have also been in Daniels 380 which had Kings and 19's and whilst his was a bit firmer,i dont think there is that much difference for it to sway your mind...come to a meet one night and drive mine and Kims ,if he is there,

Is width of rim a factor as well ? I notice on some 19's there is a choice of 8 or 8.5

yes indirectly. the 45 or 35 is the percentage of the width of the tyre. so my 245/35s are 245 wide and the sidewall is 35% of this so roughly 86. obviously on a wider rim you need a wider tyre.
see here http://www.carbonblack.com.au/car-tyres/tyre-information.aspx

I was meaning am I less liable to get rubbing on a width of 8 as opposed to 8.5

well yes, as a youd have more clearance between the car and the wheel, on the inner side of the wheel. plus you can safely fit thinner tyres, essentially decreasing you tyre diameter like for like profile wise, compared with a thicker tyre.
im running 20s that are only 8 wide, using 245/35 rubber, and have never had a problem, cant see that you would with 19s even if you used the 40 profile on 8" wide rims, the only thing that might hurt is the offset.

So theoretically I could go with a 40 profile on a 19" x 8 with no rubbing fully loaded in the rear?

If you're running 8" wide rims I'd be inclined to go for 235-wide tyres - I'd save 245s for 8.5" rims. I run 235/40R18s on my 8" wide rims and they fit very nicely.

Rang LWT wheels today (Osaka RS5) asked if they did a 8" and yes they do but out of stock 4-6 weeks.
While I was talking I asked what they reckon the extra weight was on their 19" rim compared to 17"... Guy reckoned 1kg
I rang BJ and said I wanted to go with 235/40/19 but he reckoned they would be 'too tall'
Now someone here knows the calculation as to how to work out rim and tyre conversions going from the stock 17" to 19" and that should tell me if I can fit the 40 profile without messing up the speedo too much.

Well the deed is done
Ordered my new rims and tyres from BJ today. Should have them fitted by the weekend. "I'm excited!"
(looks like the paving out the back will wait another year)haha

Rang LWT wheels today (Osaka RS5) asked if they did a 8" and yes they do but out of stock 4-6 weeks.
While I was talking I asked what they reckon the extra weight was on their 19" rim compared to 17"... Guy reckoned 1kg
I rang BJ and said I wanted to go with 235/40/19 but he reckoned they would be 'too tall'
Now someone here knows the calculation as to how to work out rim and tyre conversions going from the stock 17" to 19" and that should tell me if I can fit the 40 profile without messing up the speedo too much.

235/40R19 should be fine. It is only 0.35% bigger in overall diameter than 215/55R17. That is only 2.29cm bigger in diameter and 1.245cm bigger in radius. So unless you have less than 1.245cm clearance at the moment then there won't be a problem.

BTW, what did you order when which BJ store?

apparently cant get 235/40/19 in Maxxis, only Michelin or Pirrelli MEGA BUCKS!!!
So going with 235/35/19 Maxxis on 19" x 8" Osaka RS5 Hyperblack
All up $1900
BJ Gawler Good blokes used them for all the family cars for 20 yrs.
My only concern is ride quality on 35 profile

So another set of GT wheels up for grabs soon

Chris,

Won't be a problem with ride quality, it'll be a little harder than what you're used to but not that bad.
Hope you're going with the Maxxis MA-Z1 and not the MAV, the Z1 is way better for grip both wet and & dry, and is very good in the wet.
One thing I learned though is to watch the rear camber, don't let it get too negative (any more than 1 degree neg) otherwise you'll wear out the inner edges of the rear tyres in no time while the middles will still look like new. Make sure (like I didn't, more fool me!) that you go back to your BJT store for the free 5,000k check and tyre rotation.

KJ

Wow they will look small under your guards with the King Lows, they'll be 32mm in diameter smaller than mine.

You better put coilovers on the list next so you can do a massive drop to fill in the guard gap!

apparently cant get 235/40/19 in Maxxis, only Michelin or Pirrelli MEGA BUCKS!!!
So going with 235/35/19 Maxxis on 19" x 8" Osaka RS5 Hyperblack
All up $1900
BJ Gawler Good blokes used them for all the family cars for 20 yrs.
My only concern is ride quality on 35 profile

So another set of GT wheels up for grabs soon

That is way too small. Interesting that he said the previous tyres will be too tall when it was only 0.35% taller. These tyres are 3.2% shorter and is actually smaller than the 205/65R15 fitted to standard 380s.

Cant go lower in the front. Already scrape up my drive and just about everywhere in sunny Gawler The rears look fine. Just cover the top of tyre.
And Yes going with Maxxis MA-Z1. Surprisingly differing comments if you read reports. Some people rate them very highly, others would never buy another set. All seem to rate grip in dry highly.
I have to allow for carrying 4 adults at times when I'm off bowling so cant drag my arse too low
Managed to park next to a black VRX in the BigW carpark today and I was noticeably lower

Why don't you go 225/40 that will give you another 15mm diameter. Your speedo will be miles out with 235/35's.

Why don't you go 225/40 that will give you another 15mm diameter. Your speedo will be miles out with 235/35's.

Can I get that size with the Maxxis?
Jesus H I'm confused now
What rubber do you guys with 19's have.
I dont want to look stupid or have my speedo miles out....buggga
I went for the 8" as opposed to 8.5 to negate any rubbing

Mine are 245/35/R19 FK451 Falkens on 19x8.5 rims, with car lowered on SuperLows at Front and Lows at Rear. No rubbing or scrubbing. Still has about an inch gap front and back (heaps of room). Occasionally front tow hook scrapes on driveways or carpark ramps, etc, if I take them too fast - but otherwise no problems at all.
As for speedo, mine has always under-read (before with 16s and same with 19s). That is, at 110 ks on the speedo, and I am really doing 100 (as checked by 3 GPSs). Good for speed cameras, so I have no complaint with that.

I still think you should have went the 8.5 with 245's. Only the odd person has had rubbing & as I described earlier it is very easy to fold the guard a little without damaging paint if you need to (more than likely won't need to). I had 245/35's originally & I think they looked too small, now have 245/40's.

With the lows you should have plenty of clearance. I had Superlows & had a problem with the 40's but that could be my offset. Knotched is running my Superlows with 245/40's & not one bit of scraping. Since you only have lows you are even less likely to rub.

Last thing you want is nice wheels that look like little Tonka wheels coz you went too small on the rubber. This is before we even take into account the speedo errors.

Dammit and blast. I,ve ordered the 8" now. Whats the widest tyre I can fit?

235s are ideal for 8" wide rims imo but 245s are fine too. Wouldn't go wider than that.

Cheers guys
I am now so confused on tyre size. I have read and re-read all 44 pages on this subject and still not confident on what I am doing. The relationship between tyre width and profile is confusing. I dont want to have a smaller overall diameter than I have with the stock 17's and have my new wheels look like meccano wheels. This sure isnt the look I want.
It seems 245/35/19 is the way to go?

Stock you have 215/55R17s...

Using the Miata Garage calculator (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html), 245/35R19s would be 14.2mm smaller, which is barely legal (you can go 15mm smaller in SA afaik). 245/40R19s would be 10mm bigger.

235/35R19s would be 21.2mm smaller than stock. It'd be legal in Qld (you can go up to 26mm smaller here) but even if it was legal in SA I wouldn't do it.

235/40R19s would be perfect (2mm larger than standard), but if tyre choices are lacking and you're already struggling on driveways, 245/40R19s wold probably be the way to go.

anything with ***/**/19's is too small for a 380... 20's are the go :)

anything with ***/**/19's is too small for a 380... 20's are the go :)

Gee Brad that doesnt help

Gee Brad that doesnt help

I wouldn't worry chrisv, I am the one with 18s here, so you will still look better than me lol

I reckon your 18's look ok. I have to be practical and not just looks so 19's seemed a good compromise.
Maxxis only list 245/35 or 245/40 in 19's.
Red Valdez says 245/35 barely legal and 14 mm smaller than stock. Others say ideal "My head hurts!"

You have to bear in mind that with 235/35R19 being smaller than stock, that means your ride height is lowered by half the OD. Not good if you are already struggling with stock wheels.

Either have 235/40R198, 245/40R19 or 225/40R19. Use this site (http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp).

Stock 215/55R17 has OD of 668.27mm
235/35R19 has warning by that site and has OD of 646.93mm which means your ride height is 10.67mm lower and your speedo is out by 3.3% fast
225/45R19 has OD of 662.43mm which means your ride height is 2.92mm lower and your speedo is out by 0.885% fast
235/40R19 has OD of 670.56mm which means your ride height is 1.145mm higher and your speedo is out by 0.34% slow
245/40R19 has OD of 678.43mm which means your ride height is 5.08mm higher and your speedo is out by 1.515% slow

Remember ride height change is half of OD change.

EDIT: 245/35R19 is ok but is 14.22mm smaller in od and hence 7.11mm lower in ride height. also remember smaller od leaves bigger gap in wheel arch.

Cheers
That gives me all the info I need. 245/40 is the way to go. Should fit on a 8" (?)
Thanks guys

The other thing to confuse matters is that the stock tyre combo has the speedo reading a lot faster than you are travelling anyway. So to go smaller is to make it even worse.

Maybe you should ring in the morn & see if you can change it to 8.5" rims & go 245/40 if the offset is right. Your speedo will read only a couple of km's fast & will ride & look better. This is what Knotched has with my old Superlows & no rubbing.

Dont you reckon the 245/40 will fit the 8"

Just to give you an idea, at a 110kph on the speedo with 235/40/18 tyres, the actually speed is 103kph.

Just to give you an idea, at a 110kph on the speedo with 235/40/18 tyres, the actually speed is 103kph.

Never get caught speeding at that rate

Dont you reckon the 245/40 will fit the 8"

8" is the minimum recommended rim with for 245/40. The site I mentioned on the previous page indicates the rim width for each tyre size you selected.
Another site (http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp?item=Wheel-Tire size comparer&sw1=215&ar1=60&bd1=16&rw1=6.0&et1=46&sw2=215&ar2=60&bd2=16&rw2=7.0&et2=46&text1=&text2=) allows you to play with offsets and see how much the tyres protrude outside or inside stock dimensions.

So assuming your stock is 215/55R17 on 17x7 with +46 offset then 245/40R19 on 19x8 with +46 offset will mean the tyre will stick out 15mm further and 15mm further inside towards the suspension components.

I will have a 38 offset

8" is the minimum recommended rim with for 245/40. The site I mentioned on the previous page indicates the rim width for each tyre size you selected.
Another site (http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp?item=Wheel-Tire size comparer&sw1=215&ar1=60&bd1=16&rw1=6.0&et1=46&sw2=215&ar2=60&bd2=16&rw2=7.0&et2=46&text1=&text2=) allows you to play with offsets and see how much the tyres protrude outside or inside stock dimensions.

So assuming your stock is 215/55R17 on 17x7 with +46 offset then 245/40R19 on 19x8 with +46 offset will mean the tyre will stick out 15mm further and 15mm further inside towards the suspension components.
Good website that VLAD,makes working stuff out dead easy, tells chrisv that his package with the 245/40's will stick outwards 23mm further than stock plus other handy info.

I'm going for some Sumitomo HTR ZIII next wek in 225/50/17 (ralliart/limited-edition factory enkei size).. will let everyone know how they go they seem to get pretty good reviews for a less popular tyre.

And if you ever think of buying Sunny.. CAR SAYS NO

Dont you reckon the 245/40 will fit the 8"

Yep 245 will fit the 8" rim but 8.5" is the ideal. If you stick with the 8's & put those tyres on I'm sure you won't have any rubbing.

These tyres will fill the guard gap better as they will be 15.75mm higher on the radius which will look nicer from the side & increase your ride height overall slightly which will help with all the front end scraping you are experiencing now in your area. More comfy too which was another of your requiremnets.

My speedo with the 245/40's when compared to the GPS reads 100km/hr while the GPS says 98km/hr. So a lot more accurate & still gives you a slight margin for error with our friends the police.

Good website that VLAD,makes working stuff out dead easy, tells chrisv that his package with the 245/40's will stick outwards 23mm further than stock plus other handy info.

But it wont stick out that far with a 38 offset surely?

But it wont stick out that far with a 38 offset surely?

no....if will sit just fine..i have that offset on mine and it toughens up the look in two ways...pushes the wheel out further to fill the guard,and from the front and rear the width looks sooooo chunky and hot...lol imo...

Thats a relief... I thought I might end up looking like a Tonka Tractor LOL

But it wont stick out that far with a 38 offset surely?

Thats what its saying with a 38 offset.As long as its not sticking outside the fender it wont look TONKA! Run outside with a tape and see for yourself.

Chris,

The smaller the positive offset number, the more it 'sticks out' and the less it 'sticks in'.

So a +38mm offset sticks out 8mm more than a +46mm offset. That way you get more clearance on the inside edges of the wheels (for clearing suspension, brakes etc) but you increase your chances of rubbing on wheel arches. But as Michael (maggie3.5) says, and I can back up, 245/35 19s with a 38 offset fit just fine with Kings lows on the rear, no rubbing and a mean looking stance without (just!) sticking out past the edges of the wheel arches.

KJ.

I was hoping to fit the 245/45/19 .I reckon they will be a more 'comfortable' ride.
I guess I can get one fitted and see. I suppose though you dont notice rubbing until the car is loaded.
Interestingly a colleague has a VE with 245\40\19 and BJ reckons they fit those as opposed to 35 profile as the car is heavy. Well the VE weighs 1705kg and the GT 1680kg so surprisingly not much difference.

Chris,

I hope 245/45/19 was a typo, and you meant either 245/40/19 or 245/35/19!
I reckon there is no chance of 245/45/19s fitting on the rears (with Kings lows) without heaps of rubbing.
And as I have said before, even 245/40/19s might rub, they did on mine, but not on Knotched's.

KJ.

Yeah was a typo...meant 245/40
I notice overall dia of stock 17's is 668mm and dia of 245/35 is 654mm.
dia of 245/40 is 678
I am hoping fitting the 8" rim may allow me to fit 245/40 with no rubbing but I wll have to wait and see
Hoping to get a call from BJ today to say the rims have arrived

Noticed in todays paper leaflets BJ have Rodney Jane 19" rims $180. Dont look bad.

Chris,

I think that is the secret - 8". My SL have had no rubbing whatsoever and they are 8".

Interestingly a colleague has a VE with 245\40\19 and BJ reckons they fit those as opposed to 35 profile as the car is heavy. .
Wouldn't be worthwhile comparing it to a VE. The Sports models run 245/45R18s stock. 245/40R19s are basically the same size as standard (1mm larger).

Chris,

I think that is the secret - 8". My SL have had no rubbing whatsoever and they are 8".

I thought you said your rims were 8.5"?

Well, all should be revealed sometime this week!!....cant wait

Chris,

I think that is the secret - 8". My SL have had no rubbing whatsoever and they are 8".


Just remind me .....you tyre size is?

Just remind me .....you tyre size is?

I know for a fact his tyres are the same as mine .... 245/40/19.

Yep, that's the difference. When I looked on the box of my replacement wheel it was 8".

Ahhhhh mystery solved.

So 8.5" possible problems, 8" no problems :)

Ahhhhh mystery solved.

So 8.5" possible problems, 8" no problems :)

We shall see . I will def go for the 245/40
I will def have no issues on fronts.... fingers crossed for rears fully loaded

So.... I get the call this morning from BJ "rims are in" rush down at lunch time for a quick look. Oh yes very nice but wait, on the box it says 8.5" and I ordered 8"
Few phone calls and told rubbing shouldnt be an issue...but wait theres more....Cant get Maxxis in 245/40/19 even though they are listed on BJ Website. So I am getting 245/40/19 Michelin Pilot Sport for $50 more than the Maxxis. Getting fitted on Friday afternoon with the proviso if there is rubbing the rims will get returned for 8"
Cant be fairer than that. So now I'm off to read up on the Michelin Pilot Sport review.

Someone remind me how to upload pics so I can show you guys the rims in all their 'glory'

Upload it to photobucket and then link them. The rubbing with 8.5 probably due to the fact that the rims will stretch the tyre. E.g. 235 on 8" is square whereas 225 on 8 is stretched wider where it meets the wheel.

i doubt you'd have rubbing issues im running 235/35R20 with an 8.5 wide rim and get no rubbing

i doubt you'd have rubbing issues im running 235/35R20 with an 8.5 wide rim and get no rubbing

That is because your's is smaller in OD. His is 678.43mm and yours is 672.33mm.

Just got a set of Nexen 235/30/r22 for 390 each.

So.... I get the call this morning from BJ "rims are in" rush down at lunch time for a quick look. Oh yes very nice but wait, on the box it says 8.5" and I ordered 8"
Few phone calls and told rubbing shouldnt be an issue...but wait theres more....Cant get Maxxis in 245/40/19 even though they are listed on BJ Website. So I am getting 245/40/19 Michelin Pilot Sport for $50 more than the Maxxis. Getting fitted on Friday afternoon with the proviso if there is rubbing the rims will get returned for 8"
Cant be fairer than that. So now I'm off to read up on the Michelin Pilot Sport review.

Someone remind me how to upload pics so I can show you guys the rims in all their 'glory'

I've generally heard/read good things about the Pilot Sport 3, much better than the Pilot Sport 2. So if you're getting the Sport 3 for only $50 more (a corner I presume) than the Maxxis MA-Z1 then that's a good deal, but if it's only the Sport 2 then not such a good deal.

Just got a set of Nexen 235/30/r22 for 390 each.

Which model? N7000? That is what I've got at the moment. Noticed they are very quiet.

So.... I get the call this morning from BJ "rims are in" rush down at lunch time for a quick look. Oh yes very nice but wait, on the box it says 8.5" and I ordered 8"
Few phone calls and told rubbing shouldnt be an issue...but wait theres more....Cant get Maxxis in 245/40/19 even though they are listed on BJ Website. So I am getting 245/40/19 Michelin Pilot Sport for $50 more than the Maxxis. Getting fitted on Friday afternoon with the proviso if there is rubbing the rims will get returned for 8"
Cant be fairer than that. So now I'm off to read up on the Michelin Pilot Sport review.

Someone remind me how to upload pics so I can show you guys the rims in all their 'glory'
Drive carefull when they rub, they might not want to know you if you wreck the sidewalls and need to go for the 35's if the rim senario doesn't work out.

Drive carefull when they rub, they might not want to know you if you wreck the sidewalls and need to go for the 35's if the rim senario doesn't work out.
Where are they more likely to rub.... inside or outside edge?
Offset is correct at 38.

I have no idea of my offset so that maybe my problem but mine originally rubbed (only on really big bumps, mainly drivers side) on the metal lip directly above the centre of the rear tyre (minor curl over fixed this) & then when dropped right down the plastic inner guard towards the rear of the tyre where the upper most edge is.

I have no idea of my offset so that maybe my problem but mine originally rubbed (only on really big bumps, mainly drivers side) on the metal lip directly above the centre of the rear tyre (minor curl over fixed this) & then when dropped right down the plastic inner guard towards the rear of the tyre where the upper most edge is.

Chris,

When I fitted 245/40 19s (8.5" wheels & 38 offset) they rubbed in the same spot as Fooz says. It was a pretty serious rub, enough to gouge a groove in the outside of each tyre (about two centimetres in from the edge of the tread, on the sidewall), with only a small load in the back (the old wheels & tyres, say 40 kgs). It would have been tyre destroying with a full load of passengers in the back seat and luggage etc in the boot.

Cheers... I'll certainly be aware of where to check. Obviously the fronts are not an issue?
All will be revealed on Friday....

Correct no problems with the fronts unless you get coilovers & go stupid low lol

Well.... the deed is done! Couldnt wait till the weekend so rang BJ and tyres were in, nicked off work early. Fitted the rears with 245/40 Michelin pilot sport 2.Got hold of 2 of the biggest fitters I could find (about 100 kg each I reckon) and went for a drive. No rubbing (phew!!) but the wheels fill the guards to within a couple of mm. Very very pleased with the end result. Rims look great. I will upload(try) some pics tonite. The hyperblack of the centres look good against the grey paintwork ( my opinion) All the BJ guys said the rims looked great.
Cheers guys for all the advice. Extractors next?????

Have got to say Cheers to BJ at Gawler for great service. I would have sent 20 emails regarding tyre size and Paul the boss replied to each one.

Onya Chris!

Mystery solved indeed.

8" rims if 245/40 19 and lowered.

Onya Chris!

Mystery solved indeed.

8" rims if 245/40 19 and lowered.
No not solved
I have 8.5"
(sent by mistake)
So far so good

No not solved
I have 8.5"
(sent by mistake)
So far so good

The plot thickens!

Why did my 245/40 tyres on 19" x 8.5" wheels with +38 offset and Kings lows rub like mad, when you have (apparently) the exact same set up and no rubbing?

Can't think of anything other than it being down to differences in wheel & tyre design. Not all 245s are the same measurement from one sidewall to the other, as far as I know it can vary quite a bit. Maybe the Maxxis MA-Z1 are a 'fat' tyre and/or the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 are a 'skinny' tyre?

The plot thickens!

Why did my 245/40 tyres on 19" x 8.5" wheels with +38 offset and Kings lows rub like mad, when you have (apparently) the exact same set up and no rubbing?

Can't think of anything other than it being down to differences in wheel & tyre design. Not all 245s are the same measurement from one sidewall to the other, as far as I know it can vary quite a bit. Maybe the Maxxis MA-Z1 are a 'fat' tyre and/or the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 are a 'skinny' tyre?
They sure didnt look "skinny" when they went on. I couldnt and still dont believe they would fit.
PS
How can I get my uploads to show instead of just the html link?

They sure didnt look "skinny" when they went on. I couldnt and still dont believe they would fit.
PS
How can I get my uploads to show instead of just the html link?

Try the second button, Insert Image, and paste your full link in there. (As long as your pics aren't too large/or already resized, ie 800x600, they will look perfect on the screen). Edit your post and try it.

fixed for ya..lol

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Looks tops Chris, that is a bit weird, was almost certain you would get some rubbing with that offset.But its all good at the end off the day.

Looks really good Chris! :happy:

Cheers Maggie....
I love the reflection of the red caliper in the dish woohoo

The plot thickens!

Why did my 245/40 tyres on 19" x 8.5" wheels with +38 offset and Kings lows rub like mad, when you have (apparently) the exact same set up and no rubbing?

Can't think of anything other than it being down to differences in wheel & tyre design. Not all 245s are the same measurement from one sidewall to the other, as far as I know it can vary quite a bit. Maybe the Maxxis MA-Z1 are a 'fat' tyre and/or the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 are a 'skinny' tyre?

Just a thought.....when I was 'researching' these tyres there was a comment that the rim protector was non existant. Wonder if that could be a reason

Just a thought.....when I was 'researching' these tyres there was a comment that the rim protector was non existant. Wonder if that could be a reason

Yep, the Maxxis MA-Z1 have a rim protector. But on my old wheels it was effing useless, and never once prevented gutter rash! Unlike my earlier Yokohama A Drive R1 tyres which had a really effective rim protector.

But I can't see how with/without rim protector would make any difference to wheel arch rubbing. It doesn't effect the tread width of the tyre (which is what the spec like 245 is based on), and the rubbing is miles away from the rim protector.

that looks tough!!!!

Those mudflaps are a good idea Chris.......sick of crap spraying on the sills...might get some.

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Nice. Just had a look at a Z1 on Maxxis site. It does look very chunky on the shoulder compared to the Sport 2 on michelin site and its sectional width is wider than the sport 2, just.

Mate your car looks the shit. One of the nicest 380s around, very classy. Love to lower mine but my driveway wont allow. Too bad for me.

Nice. Just had a look at a Z1 on Maxxis site. It does look very chunky on the shoulder compared to the Sport 2 on michelin site and its sectional width is wider than the sport 2, just.

That probably accounts for it. Interesting for others now who want to fit the 245/40
Gotta say you can just get a fag paper between the rim and the guard when loaded

Your car looks fantastic Chris!!! Still cant understand why I had so much rubbing problems with 8" (not 8.5 like yours) 35 offset with 245/40/19 and with rolled guards.....good for you, very frustrating for me.

Your car looks fantastic Chris!!! Still cant understand why I had so much rubbing problems with 8" (not 8.5 like yours) 35 offset with 245/40/19 and with rolled guards.....good for you, very frustrating for me.
The thicker/ thinner 245/40 tyre may have something to do with it. I also had a 38 offset rim. Cant explain it fully, but just lucky for me.