']VS was ecotec wasnt it? Wasnt the buick stopped in the VR?
Thats what i thought, i dunno, not much of a holden guy

Still buick block up until and including the VY.

Hard to imagine the doughy 2valve buick V6 making more than the 4valve ford 6. Intercooled maybe or more boost.

What boost are these figures made on? Autos or manuals.


That would be varying kits for different boost levels

We have the engine mounted on engine stand and development is happening, struck a snag at the present moment with belt routing, there is another option which is being investigated, this is the only part of the project likely to cause drama's

Will keep you all updated

We have the engine mounted on engine stand and development is happening, struck a snag at the present moment with belt routing, there is another option which is being investigated, this is the only part of the project likely to cause drama's

Will keep you all updated

Pretty important snag you might say?!

What about 2nd pulley stacked on the alternator? Keeps it short and sweet. Sure it may load up the alternator bearing(s) but it'll be much more fun to drive - for a while :D

Ok, had another think about this:

22mm belt +2mm each side for pulley wall. There is only 19mm clearance between the alt pulley and the body.

22mm belt +2mm each side for pulley wall. There is only 19mm clearance between the alt pulley and the body.
Discovered that too today :confused: That's why I suggested the v-belt. True it will require more maintenance - tensioning, replacement etc, but it could work.

Otherwise replace the water pump and run the shaft thru the V of the cylinder banks. That was looking like my preferred option last year - before I got the ultimatum from the Mrs!! :shock: This will require additional component mfgr but has lots of mounting points and is very sturdy. Use an electric water pump. Also use an electric for the water to air intercooler that would look so fitting between the SC and the TB :D

How do the sprintex kits do theirs? Maybe have a look at that and get an idea? Or is it different?

How do the sprintex kits do theirs? Maybe have a look at that and get an idea? Or is it different?


The Sprintex kit replaces the intake manifold. So there would be more flexibility for locating the pulley.

The Sprintex kit replaces the intake manifold. So there would be more flexibility for locating the pulley.
I'm pretty sure they are already sure where to locate the pulley. It's just belt routing thats the obsticle now. Replacing the intake manifold won't really make much of a difference in belt routing.

I'm pretty sure they are already sure where to locate the pulley. It's just belt routing thats the obsticle now. Replacing the intake manifold won't really make much of a difference in belt routing.

You asked how the sprintex kit runs the belt. I told you the where abouts of the pulley to give you somewhat of an idea as to how they would run the belt.

See pic attached.

:stoopid: It then uses an idler to get the drive over to the SC pulley. The drama I see with that design is the size/length of the main drive belt that runs the idler. Possible weak point.

Well i havent had a detailed look around the bay, but I suggested to Tim on running the shaft behind the engine under the manifold and run off the crank pulley.

The RIPP-style belt arrangement seems most logical and feasible. The problem with the RIPP kits was their idler/tension pulley design esp at high rpm. A redesign here will be a victory imho. :cool:

The RIPP-style belt arrangement seems most logical and feasible. The problem with the RIPP kits was their idler/tension pulley design esp at high rpm. A redesign here will be a victory imho. :cool:


EZBoy

You just about got the blue prints happening there man :bowrofl:

Its definitely going to be quite similar to that.

Special note: This is going to be very steady for the next month at least, got a lot of work on and struggling to meet demand with other systems.

The new kits we got to design are Magna and also Hilux V6 which has been running around for a year now, its got 215rwkw @ 4psi boost :D

215rwkw @ 4psi boost :D

such a large power increase from 4 psi, is that including a fuel remap?

Dont forget the Pajero. Theres another market there for some of us oldies :) Well not so old lol...

Regards

To be honest its got us lost, the power from the 1 GRFE engine with a small touch of boost is simply stunning. It takes 9psi of fully cooled boost on a 1UZFE 4.0 V8 Toyta to get the same power as this V6 gets on 4psi!!

This came up in discussion tonight, all our wildest (read best) power results are on V6s, no matter what brand, I do expect the Magna engine to go VERY well. :D

Yes the Hilux is remapped (fuel and ig) using the same piggyback ECU I have chosen for Project Magna.

BTW the Hilux was tested on 2 dynos with identical result.

With the intercooled kit you're producing, will the ECU be custom tuned for each vehicle that has the kit installed? Or will it be a one size fits all approach like Sprintex adopted? And one last thing - will the boost be able to be wound up to produce more power? If so, will your install agents be able to do that for us and possibly install bigger injectors, fuel pumps etc if need be while still retaining the warranty?

The boost can go to 12 psi if needed but seriously you will be heading for engine dramas in that region if internal mods aren' taken care of.

Our installers - for SA and WA and VIC we are ok but nothing for NSW yet in terms of installers/tuners.

I will provide a base tune to match a certain sized injector, I expect a final touch up will be necessary for best performance at your altitude etc.

The boost can go to 12 psi if needed but seriously you will be heading for engine dramas in that region if internal mods aren' taken care of.

Our installers - for SA and WA and VIC we are ok but nothing for NSW yet in terms of installers/tuners.

I will provide a base tune to match a certain sized injector, I expect a final touch up will be necessary for best performance at your altitude etc.
So... picking through that post I could assume that - YES, more boost can be run (up to 12psi) but larger injectors will be needed. You didn't answer if your installers could do this (I'm in QLD BTW - I believe you guys are in Mackay? 10 hours from me) I'll assume they can - Do you have any other installers in the Brisbane area?

Answering the custom tune question, again picking through your answer, I'll go ahead and assume it's a one size fits all approach. Will there be the option of custom tuning by your installers? If so will this void the warranty? Or can we obtain our own piggy back or full replacement ECU and have it installed either by your installers or our own, and if so will this void the warranty?

Cheers.

So... picking through that post I could assume that - YES, more boost can be run (up to 12psi) but larger injectors will be needed. You didn't answer if your installers could do this (I'm in QLD BTW - I believe you guys are in Mackay? 10 hours from me) I'll assume they can - Do you have any other installers in the Brisbane area?

Answering the custom tune question, again picking through your answer, I'll go ahead and assume it's a one size fits all approach. Will there be the option of custom tuning by your installers? If so will this void the warranty? Or can we obtain our own piggy back or full replacement ECU and have it installed either by your installers or our own, and if so will this void the warranty?

Cheers.

12psi you might need to drop the comp. down , especially considering you have a ralliart.... re the ecu tuning.. read back through this thread a bit. its been discussed in depth... no they will not be doing a sprintex job where one tune fits all.. it'll be custom tuned on each car...

So... picking through that post I could assume that - YES, more boost can be run (up to 12psi) but larger injectors will be needed. You didn't answer if your installers could do this (I'm in QLD BTW - I believe you guys are in Mackay? 10 hours from me) I'll assume they can - Do you have any other installers in the Brisbane area?

Answering the custom tune question, again picking through your answer, I'll go ahead and assume it's a one size fits all approach. Will there be the option of custom tuning by your installers? If so will this void the warranty? Or can we obtain our own piggy back or full replacement ECU and have it installed either by your installers or our own, and if so will this void the warranty?

Cheers.

You keep asking about warranty mate......... I think you'll find the sprintex threads have been moved right to the bottom of the main forum page, not that they will help you much now.

Don't see any mention of warranty in this thread until you brought it up.

Tradewind,

I know you will prob look at every case, but do you see the 380 being a candidate for a straight forward install? You did mention later engines with 10:1 compression a problem -

Model
Engine Type 3.8 L SOHC
Engine Code 6G75
Valve Train Type SOHC 24 VALVE
Displacement (cc) 3828
Bore × Stroke 95.0 × 90.0
Compression ratio 10.0 : 1
Cylinder Block Material Cast Iron
Cylinder Head Material Aluminium
Engine Max Speed Red Line (rpm)6100
Over Rev Limiter (rpm)6500
(by torque reduction) 6500

Fuel System MPI
Fuel Type Regular ~ Premium
Unleaded Unleaded
Fuel Supply Returnless Type
Injector 12 Hole Spray
Ultra Micro Droplet type

I don't think the 380 will support much boost given the weakness of the block being an overbored 6G74 with stroker crank. I understand the pistons have quite short skirts and have had in-house failures in unprecedented numbers. I hope I'm wrong. Susceptible to higher piston and piston wall wear and higher bottom end stresses from the longer crank throw with less piston wall support. Not so crash hot for bearings and crankshafts. May support a few psi, but i think it would be unwise to chase big numbers without proper motor preparation.

The high compression is only a prob if the heads haven't had the hot spots in the combustion chamber and piston crown attended to. There have been high compression force-fed motors in the past that have runs well - but with lots of head work and piston work. European stuff mostly which is a bit contridictory since high compression combustion produces more NOx during combustion which is an exhaust gas component that is specifically being targeted for reduction under new emission regulations in europe and california. Go figure.:doubt:

Disciple

The only warranty you will void is the supercharger warranty and only way you can do that is by overspeeding compressor without the permission of ourselves and/or self installing an intercooler with only a single comporessor bypass valve instead of the required 2 CBVs.

You can (as we have already mentioned earlier in this thread in conjunction with Dave from RPW) have whatever tuning system you desire, of course then the results/outcome are in your hands alone.

Knotched

The 380 engine is high on the compression, prolly give it a miss.

Ezboy

You make some very interesting (and factual) points there. Take for instance the new VW engine with the twin charging system, the engine is near 13:1 compression and boost is a constant at approx 28psi, couldn't find the exact figures as I write this but yeah it had my eyes WIDE open. The cylinder pressures must be massive. It is supercharged and turbocharged

Tradewind, OK.

EZ Boy, giving due respect to your sources, whoever they are, I suppose the TMR380 won't be sold with any engine warranty then?
Anyway, bowing out; this is not a 6G75 debate thread.

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I suppose the TMR380 won't be sold with any engine warranty then?
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If it gets sold at all.

Tradewind, OK.

EZ Boy, giving due respect to your sources, whoever they are, I suppose the TMR380 won't be sold with any engine warranty then?
Anyway, bowing out; this is not a 6G75 debate thread.

You would assume they aren't that stupid and are going to strengthen the internals etc as well. They are professional engineers who have been designing engines for a long time. Lets hope so anyway :P

wow this kit sounds freaking great.... might consider gettin one myself when they came out as long as the financial situation agrees with me...

Disciple

The only warranty you will void is the supercharger warranty and only way you can do that is by overspeeding compressor without the permission of ourselves and/or self installing an intercooler with only a single comporessor bypass valve instead of the required 2 CBVs.

You can (as we have already mentioned earlier in this thread in conjunction with Dave from RPW) have whatever tuning system you desire, of course then the results/outcome are in your hands alone.
I was getting at the supercharger warranty, and you've answered brilliantly for me now, thanks.

How is the kit coming along?

We've been working on this today and have our first template for the all important drive end sorted out, will be submitting this to laser shop so we can produce the first real bracket.

Will have to make a selection on a bearing carrier for the front bracket with the bearing itself being in question, we may opt to have a special high speed ceramic bearing made for this purpose, will decide after consultation with bearing manufacturers.

Next thing is to produce a "special" input shaft for the supercharger itself which will incorporate a spline, this will engage into a female spine on end of drive shaft coming across from belt pulley. Once that is sorted we are really on the road to boosting since mounting the blower itself on pax side is dead easy

Concerns at this stage are the airconditioning charging fitting (has a black plastic lid on it) which comes from radiator panel back towards alternator pulley, we need someone to take a photo from right near the oil filler cap facing towards the drivers side mudguard. From this I will be able to gauge how far towards the engine this fitting is.

Can anyone help with that?

Otherwise going very well I think, quite a way to go but the difficult end of things is sorted

with these types of superchargers, how do you control boost? is there a bleed valve or waste gate as such to control a certain amount of boost? also how much boost are you looking at running through the standard engine?

7 psi is the starting pressure

Boost is controlled by design, with pulley X fitted the system will only develop 7psi, its that simple.

It is possible we will do 7psi non intercooled and 9.5 with intercooler, those will be the ONLY pressure ranges we will offer.

If you need the DIY 12 PSI blow the motor apart pulley you will buy it separate and assume full responsbility for the parts shower you may create :D

say some one had nitrous aswell would that be a bad idea to put both into use or that gonna be abit too much for the ralliart engine, seeing ive heard it has a lil higher compression

say some one had nitrous aswell would that be a bad idea to put both into use or that gonna be abit too much for the ralliart engine, seeing ive heard it has a lil higher compression

Yeah since essentially nitrous increases cylinder pressures.. it's the same as more boost. I thought "someone here" was already running a pretty large shot too, judging by their trap speeds.

Nitrous can be da bomb bro :cool:

You are welcome to use it with the supercharger system, the parts shower will just be a bigger when it goes, I would suspect a 30 shot could be quite manageable and useful as the intercooling effect is desirable, should be ok on a 7psi system

Damoo

You still around bro, I think if you are travelling past in a few weeks time or can bring your car for a day we might have a trial fit up, let me know if you interested to do this

so a down grade from a 100hp haha obviosuly wouldnt be using that much still

will be also changing to a permiator plate.

parts shower, wat else would be needed ??
have the ecu, individual coils, fuel reg, 550hp fuel pump, will want to run an intercooler just to be on the safe side any way.

parts shower, wat else would be needed ??
have the ecu, individual coils, fuel reg, 550hp fuel pump, will want to run an intercooler just to be on the safe side any way.
i think he means when it goes BANG and it will lol an engine isnt going to last forever crammed with boost and nos esp when amc mainiacs drive them

i think he means when it goes BANG and it will lol an engine isnt going to last forever crammed with boost and nos esp when amc mainiacs drive them

i was thinkin more along the lines of upgrades to make it work.

plus i aint a maniac driver. very conserative and safe :)

ok i know some basic (and i mean really basic) stuff about forced induction so bear with me...

from wat ive read in this thread for $5500 (incl. istallation?) u can get this supercharge kit installed once it becomes avialiable....

are the 7psi and ~9psi kits using the same s/c or differnt ones?
are they both gonna be the same price or will the ~9psi one b more expensive?
Atm my cars engine is stock, could i still get the 7psi variant without havin to get stenghten internals (this mainly being forged pistons yeah?)
would the 7psi kit run with a stock fuel system? or would i at least have to get a larger fuel pump?

Cheers...

(gotta start saving my pennies now... this could possibly satisfy my evo craving until i buy myself a house)

Tradewind quote: Concerns at this stage are the airconditioning charging fitting (has a black plastic lid on it) which comes from radiator panel back towards alternator pulley, we need someone to take a photo from right near the oil filler cap facing towards the drivers side mudguard. From this I will be able to gauge how far towards the engine this fitting is.

here's a few pics.

Good job Pil.

I can't see the airconditioning charger thingy causing you too much grief. I've got 2.5" piping snaking past mine (in two different directions).

7 psi is the starting pressure

Boost is controlled by design, with pulley X fitted the system will only develop 7psi, its that simple.

It is possible we will do 7psi non intercooled and 9.5 with intercooler, those will be the ONLY pressure ranges we will offer.

If you need the DIY 12 PSI blow the motor apart pulley you will buy it separate and assume full responsbility for the parts shower you may create :D

Well done folks.

Was curious if you had a reverse rotation Raptor V that would improve flow dynamics to the FMIC? What rpm can 12psi come on and when would it die? Got internal upgrade (etc) underway soon so 12psi will be a cakewalk. Are you retaining the OEM airflow meter?

OK

Latest update, parts have been ordered to modify the supercharger for this application, will have them next Wed.

Will also have mount plate for belt drive end laser cut as well

Next item is to engineer the rear bracket that will mount the blower and also check into exactly what bearing will be used to support shaft on pulley end.


I think blower may configure pretty well for intercooler as it is.

AndrewD interpretted the parts shower correctly :D


Will be retaining stock AFM

Phils TH, mate you are a legend, this must be the most helpful forum I've come across ever, in fact thats whats motivating me more than anything ........ the keeness of the people here.

No price I mentioned includes fitting unless you live in or come to Mackay, will do one or 2 here for no cost at first.

Fuel pumps may need upgrade but kit will be supplied with appropriately sized injectors.

Hells yeah, good progress man. I may be one of your first installs... will see depending on funds at the time, but 10 hours drive to Mackay... it is do-able.

Will the ecu you provide come with a general safe-to-run pretune?

For example, you pretune all your ecu's to be a plug and play to all stock magnas.

1 pretune for 3.5L and 1 pretune for the 3.0L?

Can this be done, so if some of us who cannot get to mackay and want to do our own backyard job can just wire up the piggyback and be able to drive the car so that we can get retuned later?

will3690

If I start out with a 3.5 there will be a base map and same for 3.0, however there won't be base maps until I have had the opportunity to develop one, yes once I have them all of the piggybacks can be loaded with them and yes they will be fine for driving to your preferred tuner.

Nitrous can be da bomb bro :cool:

You are welcome to use it with the supercharger system, the parts shower will just be a bigger when it goes, I would suspect a 30 shot could be quite manageable and useful as the intercooling effect is desirable, should be ok on a 7psi system

Damoo

You still around bro, I think if you are travelling past in a few weeks time or can bring your car for a day we might have a trial fit up, let me know if you interested to do this


Ey champion yeh just got back on, bloody internet (bigpond) froze on me....finally got it fixed (yay)... I will be in Mackay next week (20-21st)... I was meant to be there this week but forgot I had Origin night at my house lol... If you would like the car just let me know saawweeeettttt :D

Progressed has slowed temporarily, looking to make some hits on it again from the 2nd to the 6th of July.

Too easy Tim, Mate im up in Mackay tomorrow n early Thursday... Any chance I could pop in for a sneak preview ;).. lol... Anyways, like I was saying before, just let me know when ya want the car up there.. you can her for as long as you like...

Thks Damo

I just wanna know when I should order my rods and slugs. SC + 100hp nitro. Yum.

Hey Guys,

Like most of you, I've been reading this thread with enthusiasm. However I am concerned about the general characteristics of a centrifugal s/c. They produce little boost at low rpm with the power curve rising rapidly near peak RPM. How usable will the power delivery be? I read the Sprintex kits produce peak boost around 2000 rpm which maybe too early but how far the other way will these units be? I suppose it depends on what you want but personally, I dont want to have to chuck it down 3 cogs everytime I want some power!

So where can I expect the serious power to start? 3000+ RPM? We need to see some dyno graphs from similar sized units on similar engines I reckon. Can the guys at Raptor post some here? BTW, I emailed Raptor and they said November is looking good.

That's just it. OEM prefer instant low-mid torque with positive displacement units, japs luv turbos which have identical characteristics to centrifugals par their drive source. The compressors are essentially identical, tip speed vs rpm is still fixed, if anything the CSC is easier to tune and produces more consistent and reliable boost due to it's fixed input speed.

Without turning the thread into a "which forced induction system is best", this is the only system that hasn't been attached sucessfully to a 3rd gen despite valiant attempts by members like pomejo.

Hope this project bears fruit soon. Then again I'd rather it wasn't rushed and tarnished for ever. That's been done before...........:doubt:

i have heard of a vortech supercharged magna before 2 different people have told me about it, both mechanics... one person said C.A.P.A did it...

might be worth a call?

i have heard of a vortech supercharged magna before 2 different people have told me about it, both mechanics... one person said C.A.P.A did it...

might be worth a call?

Been down the CAPA racing track, lets just say my wallet wasnt comin with me...

i have heard of a vortech supercharged magna before 2 different people have told me about it, both mechanics... one person said C.A.P.A did it...

might be worth a call?

I've called CAPA a week ago to enquire if they have a kit for Magna and yes they do but man the dough is high. It was $9700. This is the Vortech Kits

I don't know why anyone hasn't adapted an eaton m90 to the magna v6, there are plenty of these floating around on the second hand market, and they would probably give similar performance to the sprintex kit.

They also bolt up to the Lexus 32V V8, I wonder if one of these could be mounted east west under the hood?

I've called CAPA a week ago to enquire if they have a kit for Magna and yes they do but man the dough is high. It was $9700. This is the Vortech Kits

Wanna come with CP pistons, rods, cams, ecu, SC, IC, rings, gaskets, headwork and labour!!

I don't know why anyone hasn't adapted an eaton m90 to the magna v6, there are plenty of these floating around on the second hand market, and they would probably give similar performance to the sprintex kit.

They also bolt up to the Lexus 32V V8, I wonder if one of these could be mounted east west under the hood?

Been done to a 2nd gen V6 on this forum, cant see why it cant be done to a 3rd gen magna.

HAHA EZ Supercharging kits FTW

I remember when I first was talknig to EZ about TBs and pod boxes. He actually had ideas for a super charger kit and had done researcg etc. But as he said, atleast he is good enough to only offer products which he can support and have confidence in.

why bother with the eaton s/c the technology is inferior to the sprintex units

why are commodore ppl with 3 times the boost and more engine mods + greater capacity making less power than a basic sprintex setup with only 6psi on a smaller engine..

i was hanging around the fit forums and to get 200rwkw they are running 16psi boost high ratio rockers ported blowers full exh re tunes and much more...

TBB there are bigger capacity sprintex blowers that could be adapted to suit your kit but the price of the blower would be approx 4k and i believe that you'd be runnig easily close to 16+psi and thats going to hold together for a whole 2seconds lol

TBB there are bigger capacity sprintex blowers that could be adapted to suit your kit but the price of the blower would be approx 4k and i believe that you'd be runnig easily close to 16+psi and thats going to hold together for a whole 2seconds lolbut it would be awesome for 2 seconds right?

but it would be awesome for 2 seconds right?

you guys are crazy! I love it!

how much do you think the 6G74 can take without going low compression?

Tzaboy's achievement is quite spectacular and speaks volumes for a good tune and bravery.

I honestly thought 10psi would hole the pistons and here we are once again redefining the limits.

with the king of boost and the master of water inj you guys are going to have a 300kw magna very soon.

you guys are crazy! I love it!

how much do you think the 6G74 can take without going low compression?

Tzaboy's achievement is quite spectacular and speaks volumes for a good tune and bravery.

I honestly thought 10psi would hole the pistons and here we are once again redefining the limits.

with the king of boost and the master of water inj you guys are going to have a 300kw magna very soon.

Well BOOYA's done it before, so i dont see why someone else cant repeat it!

300kw isnt that much really is it...dont some of the GTO's put out 1000hp 6G72 similar basic design?

with the right engine builder tuner and $$$ you can make whatever power you want, but i recall mitsiman saying something about the limit to the power is traction, he could make more power but not go faster down the 1/4mile, that car would be pushing 450+kw at the fly

i hear some ot the commodores are running 21psi into stock bottom ends...

but somehow i feel that the 21psi on the discharge side if the eaton is vastly different to 21psi thats coming from a turbo!

otherwise the 3.8L V6 is one hell of a tough engine, and i dont believe it really is..

10.5psi is bugger all, stock WRX's are 16psi....

but 10.5psi on a non intercooled stock motor with decent comp is pretty damn high.. well it is untill you think about the 1.4L VW twincharger higher comp than the ralliart and 30+psi lol

must have some decent internals though!

but 10.5psi on a non intercooled stock motor with decent comp is pretty damn high.. well it is untill you think about the 1.4L VW twincharger higher comp than the ralliart and 30+psi lol
must have some decent internals though!

was reading up on that VW the other day sounds brilliant especially the twin charger for the turbo to kick in latter in the rev meter it has to eclipse the rpm the supercharger can put out some engineering brilliance has gone into the design of the bearing/ mechanism that allows it to happen if not some people are gonna have some nightmares

']Well BOOYA's done it before, so i dont see why someone else cant repeat it!

Not on stock internals he didn't, and I think that's what we're talking about - how much boost the stock engine can handle.

10.5psi of supercharged boost on ralliart compression ratio is pretty brave. I wouldn't run that much boost on my engine without decompressing the heads (or at least, I won't until I see how long TZA's engine lasts), and I've got slightly lower compression to start with, + turbo boost is generally considered to be "nicer" on engine components because it comes on gradually.

Not on stock internals he didn't, and I think that's what we're talking about - how much boost the stock engine can handle.

10.5psi of supercharged boost on ralliart compression ratio is pretty brave. I wouldn't run that much boost on my engine without decompressing the heads (or at least, I won't until I see how long TZA's engine lasts), and I've got slightly lower compression to start with, + turbo boost is generally considered to be "nicer" on engine components because it comes on gradually.
have faith my friend!

Head shims are not that expensive.

Head shims are not that expensive.

No, no they aren't that expensive, but ~$100/hour labour charges and a list as long as your arm of "other things" I want to do with the car (not to mention 2 broken diffs in 6 months) is slowing down me down on my personal "quest for power" lol .

doesnt take much to take the heads off and on youself, you will have to buy another gasket. Costly part is the retune. But best value for money for increased boost.

I'd be taking the heads off to remove hotspots from the chambers and tidy the ports up while you've got the die grinder out. Lots of lines I'd like to see rounded off. This will help lower your compression ratio in a healthier manner than decompression plates and changing timing belts etc. Bolting on is fun, unbolting is for serious go.

Lower boost and proper cams would net more gain that 50-70% more boost.

My AWD is running 14.7lb atm without a hitch. Wait a minute, thats normal atmospheric pressure....:redface: :D

have faith my friend!

lol

Faith and sound engineering are 2 different things no matter how hard we try to push them together (esp with a spanner in your hand on the side of a busy road and fading light!) :D

your right, simply porting/smoothing out the combustion chamber will do the same thing.

The Raptor is slowly beginning to awake again


Keep watch :D

i got heaps of questions like why did it go to sleep? whats happening with the kit? where have u been? got pics? and whats the weather like?

but i thought i would be polite first

hows things?

They've probably been scratching their scalps off wondering where to place the SC, idler wheel(s), pulley shaft and drive pickup point. I have!!

A thru-shaft alternator with shaft to transfer the drive to the battery side is looking promising. There's also an option for a pulley mount below the alternator again with a transfer shaft. Could also mount the SC under the front guard driver's side. Just throwing ideas out there...

I'd like to see water-air intercooling (keep the cops off our backs) as an option - keeps lag down too.

Why did it go to sleep? Became too busy to even look at it and since it is more involved from an engineering perspective the easiest thing to do was put it to one side.

Whats happening with the kit? Still going to become part of the Raptor Product line up, once the power transfer shaft is made we can progress quite quickly.

Where have I been? Always on the job, didn't come here because there was nothing to report, action has to occur.

:cool: And whats the weather like? .......... yeah well its all about climate change right?? :D

Just thought I'd give a heads up:

There's a place called Bulletcars, claiming to have a blower kit for our magnas. I was quoted $6500 + freight and fitting.

I didn't get any more details, as I've pretty much made up my mind to do an n/a build.

Just thought I'd give a heads up:

There's a place called Bulletcars, claiming to have a blower kit for our magnas. I was quoted $6500 + freight and fitting.

I didn't get any more details, as I've pretty much made up my mind to do an n/a build.

If it's the bullet I'm thinking of, they specialize in Sprintex components and I've heard that they are "willing to make a blower kit" for our magnas, but as far as I know they haven't had a donor car yet. 99% sure it would be using sprintex (AAC) hardware, but I can't say how similar it would be to the "Sprintex kit".

Yeah, Bullet use sprintex a lot ,but having a look at their site they have a few options - Rotrex is a new one, haven't heard of them before, but I like the sound of an
"elastic annulus with a small pre-span", reminds me of a girl I used to know...
But they are looking for guinea pigs to engineer installs on if you can go without your car for a while

where are they located ?

im not fussed if my car goes on a holilday

where are they located ?

im not fussed if my car goes on a holilday

they are located at yatala... and very interested in doing a magna build.

I've got a mates that has just picked up his mini coopers from here and his X5 is going in to them in January... very good bunch of guys and they do top quality work too, the workmanship thats gone into the mini is amazing.

Bullit are sprintex dealers, probably the same kit or there about.

I finally admitted to myself that I am not going to get this kit done with everything else going on .........

So the engine is being delivered to an engineer this weekend and the system will be built to our design. I expect progess will be sure but lets see how it goes, will post photos as it comes together

Cheers

Great news Tim, keep us up to date.

Engine was delivered as promised. Some basic design dicussions took place, will go back tomorrow if time permits and finalise the design with machinist. From there work will progress.

We are finally on our way

There were one or two on this thread who offered their cars as candidates for the first Raptor ProStreet Supercharger system. I will PM you, if someone who offered doesnt get a PM then PM me as I will have forgotten.

This will be interesting... I wonder how soon this kit can get off the ground?

Hey boys been' following this thread closely, did anyone confirm if a UNICHIP will be suitable for the Raptor s/c for tuning etc etc....?

as per my pm... I am very interested.

All design discussions are complete, basic system should be mostly knocked up by end of next week, then will take a break for about 1.5 weeks (will be away) then back to it again.

Building the drive for a competitive price is a challenge since it needs to be good for high speeds. How to do it is easy, how to do it at a low cost is the question.

Can't comment on UniChip, they have been used on Magna's before locally here, thats about all I know. I have a fully configured Moristech in stock and ready to go for this kit.

Back again in a while

that sweet that your making head way but just a quick question regarding the compressor will it be able to be swapped with larger or smaller compressors from the same range or will it be one size fits all ?

I actually turned the computer back on as i am very pleased with the kit progress

Today I went to see the engineer and some parts have already been manufactured. I expect in 10 days time the supercharger drive/mounting system will be totally complete or within 5% of completion.

Yes this kit is going to happen, only issues for us internally is cost, will work on that score.

By the end of Feb I absolutely need to have a car signed up for this kit to go on, it can be either 3.0 or 3.5 litre 3rd gen and MUST have extractors and high flow exhaust already fitted. Car must also be able to be left with us for 3 weeks and be able to be returned at any time.

The benefits to that person are:

1. They will make history in Australia with the first ProStreet kitted Magna

2. They are expected to pay but there will be a $1000 saving for them. Payment will be as normal - up front and will be refunded the purchase price should the kit have unrectifyable engineering problems, this does not cover tuning problems which can always be over come.

3. They must have knowledge of cars and engines so I get useful feedback

4. They will recieve a 3 year warranty on the entire SC system. (All kits to everyone else will be 1 year as per normal)

5. They must be flexible so if we run a week late its not a problem.

6. They will recieve a fully tuned drive away vehicle, the initial tune may be overly safe and be something we revise a month later.

7. Ideally car should be tidy and neat ....... could be used in Magazine article if you allow us to.

8. It is not essential that this person line up for further upgrades, just so long as we establish the ProStreet kit we can find someone else for the intercooled versions later.

9. Timeframe, would like to have the car coming to us by end of February 2008..... thats not far away.

If you fit the above criteria and are flexible then email raptorsc@westnet.com.au ..... and forever be part of the new revolution in Magna performance.

These will go hard, we have proven that before and we assure people of an easy to fit high performance system........ as every Raptor system is.

I have approached Damooyar as he was interested before anyone else, I have heard nothing so someone else can step up. Others have offered, check out the criteria above and if you like what you see then ....... and to be a right pain in the backside we are located in Mackay Qld, thats halfway up the coast of tropical Qld or about 980km from Brisbane :D

Over to the interested party's

I expect to have some very basic images up of the drive by Friday next week, it is a very lightweight high strength steel design with multiple carrier bearings and a coupling system for the supercharger to attach to.

Ultimately the drive kit will be finished off with a nice pressed metal cover which could be stainless, painted or whatever, but its not the issue right now. Will worry about the small things when the time comes.

:thumbsup: Congrats! It's exciting to follow a product as anticipated as this one from basically the design process through to production and beyond! Good luck with finding a donor car!

just for curiousity sake, do u have anyone else in any other states u'd deal with? so people from across the country can get in on this

OK

No problem, list your state/town and I will see what can be arranged.

Below are the ones we can handle so far.

South Australia is ok, as is Melbourne in Vic and Brisbane in Qld.

Both of those are competent with Raptor Product.

do u have an approx figure ??

OK

No problem, list your state/town and I will see what can be arranged.

Below are the ones we can handle so far.

South Australia is ok, as is Melbourne in Vic and Brisbane in Qld.

Both of those are competent with Raptor Product. Melbourne!!!! You bloody beauty!!!!!!! Seeing as things have changed since the beginning, is there any change in the original price?

Melbourne!!!! You bloody beauty!!!!!!! Seeing as things have changed since the beginning, is there any change in the original price?

choonga's getting blown.... err, um... ewww!

haha, operation: get Choonga a blower is on!

.wook

Everyone interested in this initial phase please PM me, its easier to keep track of rather than me searching amongst a 1000 emails to find your communications.

Thanks heaps.

A few have shown up so far.

Please also indicate whether you want only the SC hardware or whether you want entire kit with piggyback and injectors as well

Cheers

Tim

Any hope for Hobart Tas?

I gues a trip to Vic wont be that hard either way.

Magnagic

I suggest thinking about Epping in Melbourne for you, will be no problem and the tuning will be in the very excellent hands of Tim Sheather from Electronic Automotive

I will make those Ralliart Stickers take on a REAL meaning :D

just need hardware

Meh

Just sent you a PM

Power that can be expected

I was just flicking through the forum and came across this

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39590&page=18

I would expect it can make 140wkw when they retouch the tune, but the 134 is actually identical wheel power to the Lancer 1.8 we had with Raptor V @10psi. I am not heaping the proverbial on the lad, his kit is very nice and looks quality, and best of all he chose a supercharger!! Its just when I saw the figure I thought thats the same as our 1.8 Lancer was.

I am mighty hopeful our kits can make 175wkw at least and 200 or more with cooling and additional mods.

Something to consider.

atw?

thats more like it.

Thanks for the info Tradewind. Let me know when you get a rough price (including ecu)



Ps: stickers came with the car and have been removed lol

Hey mate, will there be any dealers for this charger in Perth? Cheers, Paul.

We are currently checking why some 3 litre engines are different and the gearbox end of the front head to some others, will sort that today and template for both if they are overly different.

Drive system is almost complete and another 10days should be ready to install on something.

I may have some photo's tonight.

Also can I ask again what the crank pulley diameter is (our proto engine doesn't have one), I have asked before ......... and got answers but did not record it.

I can definitely organise something in Perth if needed.

Todays inspection of work was to also see how work in progress would transfer from engine prototype to engine in car, well there are going to be changes, this will only marginally affect the end finish time which is about 1.5 weeks away at this stage due to a few things having to be done prior to.

No pics as the changes are substantial, see how we go in 7- 10 days. Its only the positioning of the drive assembly not the drive assembly itself which is reasonably complete now.

Be back in a while :)

Yes its coming along pretty good, got the measurements I needed again from Biggy (thanks bud)

Pity its been a while coming but the numbers we expect to see should be exhilarating to say the least.

A quick question here

If you are thinking of supercharging your magna would you prefer air to air front mount or air to water? What is important, performance or visual. I think the air to air has the edge in performance

Looking for input

A quick question here

If you are thinking of supercharging your magna would you prefer air to air front mount or air to water? What is important, performance or visual. I think the air to air has the edge in performance

Looking for input

i like the look of air to air better, it also leaves a bit more room in the engine bay.

A quick question here

If you are thinking of supercharging your magna would you prefer air to air front mount or air to water? What is important, performance or visual. I think the air to air has the edge in performance

Looking for input

actually I believe water to air has the edge in performance as water has a greater thermal mass than air which makes it a better heat sink. but I'm happy to be wrong.

actually I believe water to air has the edge in performance as water has a greater thermal mass than air which makes it a better heat sink. but I'm happy to be wrong.

You're right, but air-water systems are a fair bit more complex so have a greater cost. You have to have a reservoir with circulation pump, radiator to cool the water, then you have to make sure the intercooler core doesn't spring a leak. With an air-air setup once it's setup, nothing to worry about.

The main advantages of air-water setups is more linear cooling and less heat soak.

actually I believe water to air has the edge in performance as water has a greater thermal mass than air which makes it a better heat sink. but I'm happy to be wrong.

Thats just basic 8th grade science, but the question I have about water/air intercooling is, how do you then cool the water???

I can think of a few possible ways it would work, but they involve either an ice box, or a cooling core (radiator) and an electric water pump.

Most people I've spoken to agree that Air-Air gives more consistent results.

*edit - should read all the posts properly before replying. So if it involves a radiator, circulation pump - then the water is only being cooled to within a few degrees above ambient anyway.

I was speaking to a guy who has been rallying cars for 25 years and he said air-water is the clear winner for performance, he just bought a water system for $1200... but that was for turbo... maybe supercharging has diff figures. Supercharging is generally cooler so maybe water is not necc and makes no diff.

I was speaking to a guy who has been rallying cars for 25 years and he said air-water is the clear winner for performance, he just bought a water system for $1200... but that was for turbo... maybe supercharging has diff figures. Supercharging is generally cooler so maybe water is not necc and makes no diff.

Well for $1200 it'd want to be good wouldn't it. The things probably got a cooling core comparable in size to the average FMIC (and probably uses electric fans as well for that matter).

By comparison, my intercooler cost about $250. Not trying to be a smart **** or anything - but seriously, how many street cars do you know that are going to need that much intercooling power??

An Air-Water system has a clear advantage of absorbing temperature spikes due to having a higher thermal mass then air (it'll take longer to reach the same temperature air would). So in situations like slowing down in traffic for short periods the intake charge temperature will not spike as quickly as an Air-Air setup.

The only problem with that is that once the temperature of the water has reached a high temp, the system will tend to hold that heat for a while if the car is parked (again due to higher thermal mass).

Autospeed Article on Intercooling (http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_107760/article.html)

My question is do they even use actual pain-jane h20 in air-water systems?

surely we can find some chemicals out there that have a higher thermal mass than h20.

-Dan

My question is do they even use actual pain-jane h20 in air-water systems?

surely we can find some chemicals out there that have a higher thermal mass than h20.

-Dan

Not straight water, usually with corrosion inhibitor and sometimes a wetting agent.

Stuff with a higher thermal mass than water doesn't flow well at room temperature.

I'm suprised that a front mount wasn't used, this SC setup would lend itself very well to this (unlike the sprintex setup) Hellava lot cheaper too (at least $1000 less) and lighter.

From what I can gather from briefly reading this thread is that the proposed supercharging system will work on 3 and 3.5 litre variants of magna.

So how much are we looking at here for the parts, fitment and tuning?

Would a air-air front mount intercooler with water fogger to spray onto the cooler be in option? Particularly if it was wired into the ECU to spray once intake temperatures rise about a certain temp, or ambient temps are above a threshold (when on boost)?

Would a air-air front mount intercooler with water fogger to spray onto the cooler be in option? Particularly if it was wired into the ECU to spray once intake temperatures rise about a certain temp, or ambient temps are above a threshold (when on boost)?

Anything is possible mate. But what you are describing with the ECU control wouldn't be supported unless a full replacement ECU was used, as the mitsubishi ECU doesn't have an input available for an input air temp sensor. Infact probably a better option would be a standalone controller just for the fogger setup.

Anything is possible mate. But what you are describing with the ECU control wouldn't be supported unless a full replacement ECU was used, as the mitsubishi ECU doesn't have an input available for an input air temp sensor. Infact probably a better option would be a standalone controller just for the fogger setup.

What about hooking it up to the thermo-fans. When theyre on sounds like when you'd want it to spray.

What about hooking it up to the thermo-fans. When theyre on sounds like when you'd want it to spray.

If it were hooked up like that - you'd need a pretty big water reservoir, because the thermo fans pretty much run 75% of the time when the engine is running. They (well the main one) toggles on and off when the car is at normal operating temps, it's driven by the coolant temp sensor. Besides - just because the engine is hot, doesn't mean the intake air temp is high.

Water to air has significant advantages notably heat spike as mentioned - additionally and very importantly the inlet piping can be much shorter and therefore lag is reduced now that all that inlet tract doesn't need to be pressurised. If you want looks, paint the heat exchanger for the water system silver and put some stickers on your front quarter. I'd have thought that the less bling the less police attention!

Would a air-air front mount intercooler with water fogger to spray onto the cooler be in option? Particularly if it was wired into the ECU to spray once intake temperatures rise about a certain temp, or ambient temps are above a threshold (when on boost)?

Fairly easy to do - again, autospeed have an article on it, and jaycar sell a DIY kit for the purpose, it's just a case of BYO atomizing spray nozzle. You wouldn't wire it into the ECU, you'd just plumb a temp sensor into the intake plumbing and run it off that.

OK, thanks for the input here, sorry I haven't been back but it seems the system isn't letting me know when new posts are being posted here. Anyhow will keep an eye out

We are near to done on the whole system setup and it seems at this moment we can avoid shifting the battery which is a major plus.

On the intercooling thing it seems 50/50 maybe so I will choose which is easiest and take it from there.

There are some definite starters in terms of cars waiting, we have been asked to keep that confidential. AWD is welcome also.

On another note the piggyback ECU we use has extra outputs for control of anything you choose, so if further down the track you want something triggered by at a set value or parameter of engine performance then no problem its all there ready to go.

Just for those out there it is apparent that the 3.0 engine will take more PSI than the 3.5 due to piston strength, so for the 3.0s we might run a touch more boost.

Not sure how many hours the engineer has sunk into the job so far but its a fair few :D

Just for those out there it is apparent that the 3.0 engine will take more PSI than the 3.5 due to piston strength, so for the 3.0s we might run a touch more boost.

That's odd, might pay to check the rods too. The 3.5L have hefty rods, and 4-bolts mains vs 2-bolt. Is that piston info reliable or based on experience from the poor tuning of other supercharged systems getting around the club? I hear buggies are running 7psi all day and night thru their turbo'd 6G74s and prefer the magna motor over the Nissan 3L V6 because it's much more reliable in the turbo application. Cool huh.

EZBoy

The information is from someone else, could be who you are thinking off

Should have some release photos of this system (drive) soon ........ like the next few days.

Cost will be in the Mid $5k range, and if you go DIY thats about all it should cost for 170 - 190fwkw

i know were my tax return's going :badgrin:

so how much extra will the intercooled version cost?

Finally finally and finally we have something to show, the people who lined up to purchase have all been forwarded more revealing pictures but this one will do here for now.


Thoughts and opinions welcome on the bit you can see


I know what your first thoughts are ......... and we have measured it all so unless we got mixed up this should go under those bonnets without a problem!

That larger plate is currently being trimmed down and a drive tube cover will be fitted so nothing much can be seen. It is very over engineered and we will reduce this quite soon even tho all kits will appear the same, we will remove unnecessary strength from the design as we go.

Just discovered I can add an autotensioner as well so for a really well setup system just hang in there a bit longer :). My guarantee is we will kick ar*e!!

Over to you :)

Hope to have a trial fit up to a real car in the next few days, will see how it all looks then.

The excitement begins :badgrin:

SWEET!!!
cant wait to see the finished product and to see what power increase are made
any ideas of the final price?
and what are the chances of getting the kit made avaliable to Perth

cant wait to see the finished product


same will be good to see how it compares to the sprintex kit

Arr!! Arr!! The SC is facing the wrong way! Arr!! :D The FMIC is in the other direction :badgrin:

The SC scene is getting nice and warm for the Magna lately with all this SC action from aftermarket shops is well overdue.

EZBOY

The compressor cover rotates any which way its needed, if you want it forward it will be forward, its currently in the ProStreet configuration as it is shown.

Pretty soon its ready for the road, will be so solid numbers coming from this or we try again lol


This kit will be available everywhere, you name it we will send it there ....... somehow

Now that the thing is in the metal I can confirm that nearly anyone will be able to fit it, very simple mounting and once the drive tube is bolted on then thats the whole mounting deal done. Connect pipework, change injectors add the piggyback and tune ....... done!

Pricing will be same as for our other kits, highest power for the lowest cost per Kw.

A lot of people will read the above post and simply think no more of it. I took the liberty of highlighting the most important 2 words in it.

Good work Tradewind. Forget how it compares to sprintex, power isn't everything - esp when you've holed a piston and are stranded in the middle of nowhere without mobile reception.

Can we have some rpm and cfm figures :pray:


EZBOY

The compressor cover rotates any which way its needed, if you want it forward it will be forward, its currently in the ProStreet configuration as it is shown.

Pretty soon its ready for the road, will be so solid numbers coming from this or we try again lol


This kit will be available everywhere, you name it we will send it there ....... somehow

Now that the thing is in the metal I can confirm that nearly anyone will be able to fit it, very simple mounting and once the drive tube is bolted on then thats the whole mounting deal done. Connect pipework, change injectors add the piggyback and tune ....... done!

Pricing will be same as for our other kits, highest power for the lowest cost per Kw.

The air consumption of the engine at around 10psi is 470CFM - 6500

The compressor speed will be around 50k rpm.

And yes a job like this done without the injector change is definitely not done properly - spot on. More expensive to add injectors but only in the short term, in the long term the motor lives forever :)

Which unit are we getting the Raptor V, V-hybrid or Raptor R. I assume the V. Can we choose the R if we want higher boost than the warrantied 10psi of the V?

The only charger that will ever be offered by us for this application is Raptor V, we will at a some point down the track introduce the liquid cooled V. The V is warranted to 10psi, some customers have chosen to take it to 15psi. We find that 11-12 is ok but I am sure the engine will die if pressures like this are used.

Raptor V is a decent charger and I doubt too many will want more grunt than it can give, yes some folks have bigger budgets but not many.

The charger mounting and drive system should be finished tomorrow afternoon. A member from here is in Mackay for the next 4 weeks so we will drop the system onto his engine quickly and check how it all fits in, after that I will be calling the customers in (those who are ready) and we can take it forward from there

The brackets were given a styling trim today and look so much better, not much to go now

Im the member that was in Mackay Tim was talking about and the charger was fitted successfully to my car today. Everything aligned perfect, pulley, bonnet clearance, mounting gear etc. Very fast install, simply mounting design will allow an easy DIY job. We had it on (without belt) in less then 30 minutes. Being in the engineering industry myself I can vouch for the quality of work that is in this setup. Top notch work by an experienced machinist. Ill let Tim fill in the rest, he has some photos to show too.

A special thanks the AMC member Bigs, moved us about a week ahead by having the test fit today. The big test was would the bonnet close and we can report it closes with adequate clearance.

The fit is truly fast and once the air box (easy as to remove) is removed you are looking at around 20mins to bolt the entire charger hardware to the engine, from there of course there is pipework, changing injectors etc but fitting the charger is ridiculously easy. There is still work for us to do to make it a complete kit that goes in a box and its mainly in the area of bringing air into the charger, apart from that this is very straight forward.

Enjoy the pics

For anyone wanting just the charger hardware alone to bolt onto the car with belt drive, I will take orders immediately for delivery in 3 weeks from now. This is the option for those wanting to supply their own pipework, tuning/injectors. Will set it for 8 - 9psi. Let me know by PM or email. The whole assembly will be painted flat black to blend in better, charger will remain in natural machined aluminium finish.
$3500 + freight. Will leave this offer on the table for a couple of weeks.

Special thanks to someone none of you except Bigs will ever meet and that is old Dave from Dave's Engineering who made this happen.

I think the fact we finally brought this into reality means this thread is about done, will start a new thread soon dedicated to just this kit and we can all follow it there.

The first post was on the 2/02/07, seems like forever ago

For anyone wanting just the charger hardware alone to bolt onto the car with belt drive, I will take orders immediately for delivery in 3 weeks from now. This is the option for those wanting to supply their own pipework, tuning/injectors. Let me know by PM or email.

how much are we looking at for this??

Looks good,:think: Just looking at the pics of the inlet on the Super Charger, in the pics it looks close to the battery will that be a problem when running your pipe work to your air
filter or pod,will be nice to see some pics when its all done, and some dyno figurers to see
what it puts out.

Good job so far well done :thumbsup:

On the score of bringing air in I think we will use and Odysey battery (sealed) and lay it down, then we can go straight over the top of it.

The battery box is close however the charger drops right on and with the above mod we should be able to play with it however we like.

Looks the goods thus far. Liking the fact theres still room for a water to air cooler :D

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Looks the goods thus far. Liking the fact theres still room for a water to air cooler :D

yer a PWR barrel water/air intercooler would sit in there nicely,although i like the idea of a front mount intercooler for the skyline wannabe look lol

Lucifer approves.

Will start saving my pennies for the hardware!! :D

Tim

Have sent you a PM, let me know if you don't see it

Cheers

Tim :D

Can't help feeling there is gonna be some tuff Magna's happening all over the place

how much are we looking at for this??



Can't help feeling there is gonna be some tuff Magna's happening all over the place


and i can't help but feeling that my question has gone unanswered from the previous page. would be nice to get an approximate price.

For anyone wanting just the charger hardware alone to bolt onto the car with belt drive, I will take orders immediately for delivery in 3 weeks from now. This is the option for those wanting to supply their own pipework, tuning/injectors. Will set it for 8 - 9psi. Let me know by PM or email. The whole assembly will be painted flat black to blend in better, charger will remain in natural machined aluminium finish.
$3500 + freight. Will leave this offer on the table for a couple of weeks.



Does say a price :)

wasn't there last night.

Sorry about that ARS55, I have been continually adding to that post as I see what I have missed that people need to know.

More questions welcome tho

thats ok. looks like a sweet setup, all you'd have to do is rotate the compressor cover to point down and use a XR6 front mount (to be able to have inlet/outlet run to the sale sides) to run a cooler on it. what you recon??

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6506/02a81in9.jpg

You may be able to do that but it seems water to air is going to be the easy choice.

You may be able to do that but it seems water to air is going to be the easy choice.

And provide as stock a look as possible. Nothing visible unless the bonnet is popped!! And which policeman is going to bother inspecting under the hood of a Magna :)

probably the cop that just saw a magna waste a HSV :P

i can see that water to air would keep the stock sort of appearance but personally i wouldn't say it is easier. by looking at the photo's you've put up there only seems to be limited room under bonnet and you would most certainly have to move the bettery to the boot as the water to air coolers i've seen are no shorter than 12 inches long and about 7 inches round so to fit in one of those and the afm would be a bit of an issue.

probably the cop that just saw a magna waste a HSV :P

i can see that water to air would keep the stock sort of appearance but personally i wouldn't say it is easier. by looking at the photo's you've put up there only seems to be limited room under bonnet and you would most certainly have to move the bettery to the boot as the water to air coolers i've seen are no shorter than 12 inches long and about 7 inches round so to fit in one of those and the afm would be a bit of an issue.

A haltech E6x / E8 / E11V2 would fix that!!!

Nice charger.... If I still had my ralliart, this would be going on ASAP! Oh well...

Regards,
Alex

i should clarify that i meant space to fit in the afm andassociated pipework to suit both that and the cooler.

i should clarify that i meant space to fit in the afm andassociated pipework to suit both that and the cooler.

Well, the easest way I see it, move battery to boot for small cost, place AFM + pod IN FRONT of supercharger, then just have the cooler between the compressor outlet and the T/B.

Also would eliminate issues of trying to 'blow through' the AFM...

Regards,
Alex

personally i've never heard of any problems with running the afm in a blow through setup.

can someone shed some light on this??

personally i've never heard of any problems with running the afm in a blow through setup.

can someone shed some light on this??

John Boy has the only magna I know of running a blow through forced induction setup with the stock MAF sensor.

It can obviously be done.

It can be done but its a half assed way of doing things - you totally throw out the barometric pressure sensor (probably results in a CEL) and your intake temperatures measured are waaay out of the normal range for the ECU as well.

The car needs all of this to work out just how much air is actually getting into the engine. Air flow and temperature will be wacky, you are running pressurised hot air into a sensor that is not designed to be used like this. Kinda like using a spanner as a hammer - it can be done, but its a pretty dumb use of a tool.

It can be done but its a half assed way of doing things - you totally throw out the barometric pressure sensor (probably results in a CEL) and your intake temperatures measured are waaay out of the normal range for the ECU as well.

The car needs all of this to work out just how much air is actually getting into the engine. Air flow and temperature will be wacky, you are running pressurised hot air into a sensor that is not designed to be used like this. Kinda like using a spanner as a hammer - it can be done, but its a pretty dumb use of a tool.

Intake temps should be fine if measured after the intercooler. Hell my MAF measures from a pod inside the engine bay, before the intercooler, so there's probably up to a 20 degree difference in temp from when it passes thru the MAF to when it goes thru the T/B.

Thats why we have our cars dyno tuned by experienced tuners after mods like these - to make sure everything is still within safe tolerances despite all the variables.

I agree that "suck thru" is less messy - but I didn't think MAF sensors measured pressure anyway.....:confused:

We will probably try blow through first and use a MAP sensed piggyback to clear up any dramas.

As for the moving the battery to the boot, this will not happen unless it absolutely has to, will be going with a sealed battery and will lay it down in current position. We have to have it easy.

Comments welcome

i think what heathyoung is trying to say i regards to the pressure side of it, is that when it's reading air passing through, it's reading it as volume calculated by the ammount of air flow, now if the air is pressurised it will throw that reading out due to the air being pressurised if you know what i mean.

as for the air temp reading, if the Maf sensor is placed before the charger then by the time the air gets to the throttle body then it will be a completely different temperature so i think it would be more acurate if the Maf sensor is placed as close to the TB as possible.

however blackbeard is right in what he says that a good tuner would be able to sort this issue out. Thats just my personal opinion and if i had the money i would just get a stand alone ECU and get rid of it all together.

I have just had discussion with a person that has a smaller Odyssey battery and says with the 600CCA rating they work really well, so that pretty much sorts that.

Might have mind change and go draw through with the MAF, we did this with our Lancer and it was very successful.

Thats it for the moment

Might have mind change and go draw through with the MAF, we did this with our Lancer and it was very successful.



Wouldn't be hard to do on the magna. Looking at the pics you posted, you should be able to squeeze a 90mm pipe down from a 90degree bend straight out of the compressor inlet, then another 90 deg bend at the bottom, into an adaptor to bell it out to fit the maf sensor, then a K&N Pod filter. It's a pretty tight fit - but I know from experience that you can fit the maf and pod filter horizontally in the space behind the passengers side fog lamp behind the front bar.

RIPP went thru a LOT of public pain with their blow-thru kits for the eclipse etc. They got there in the end but it hurt their market reputation.

I thought You guys have had experience with this before on a psycho Lancer that was killing Commodores left,right and centre at the strip.


We will probably try blow through first and use a MAP sensed piggyback to clear up any dramas.

RIPP went thru a LOT of public pain with their blow-thru kits for the eclipse etc. They got there in the end but it hurt their market reputation.

I thought You guys have had experience with this before on a psycho Lancer that was killing Commodores left,right and centre at the strip.


Yeah i believe a couple of them were getting 200 front wheel kw from warranted psi. I hope the magna will show these figures consecutively.

Have any of your guys considered water/methanol injection cooling? as apposed to the ugly and expensive plumping for intercooling.

RIPP went thru a LOT of public pain with their blow-thru kits for the eclipse etc. They got there in the end but it hurt their market reputation.

I thought You guys have had experience with this before on a psycho Lancer that was killing Commodores left,right and centre at the strip.


Yes the MAF is going to be draw through - confirmed. Our experience was exactly as you suggest.

Here is another shot I did not show earlier, clearer view of clearance to battery and also how the engine cover almost refits once shaft assembly is in place. Three small slits in the cover and it will drop into the stock position

i've always wondered how you'd go if you moved the washer bottle and ran the charger diect drive off the drivers side of the motor(still belt driven of course??

are you able to get chargers that require the belt to be spun in the opposite direction or can you get some sort of reversal gear set??

A reverse rotation blower is sort of the go, we originally looked at that. But then how do you get air into the blower and etc etc, I think we have actually come up with best alternative now

i've always wondered how you'd go if you moved the washer bottle and ran the charger diect drive off the drivers side of the motor(still belt driven of course??

are you able to get chargers that require the belt to be spun in the opposite direction or can you get some sort of reversal gear set??

Good luck getting air into it the SC. A quick photochop can tell you about the piping nightmare. However, there is this lovely vacancy directly below the washer bottle (mine houses air horns.) :think:


Tradewind: Do you want some alternative manifolds for the SC inlet? Got lots of ideas.

i really can't see why you'd call it a piping nightmare. and what exactly do you both mean when you say it would be a problem getting air into the blower??

just get a short snout pod filter and put it straight onto the front of the S/C, in this case you would have to run the MAF in a blow through setup. if it's room your worried about an option would be to remove part of the inner guard to acommodate the S/C and associated bit but you would have to make sure you strenghten the surrounding panels.

May be a silly question, but ill ask it anyway as there are probably a few who have a similar concern.

The "rod" that runs from the belts into the blower, is it supported anywhere along the front of the engine (its hard to tell from the pics). If not, how does it go spinning so fast ? Is there any flex at all, could it maybe, in the future, be a reliability issue ? Not saying it is, but just wondering.

May be a silly question, but ill ask it anyway as there are probably a few who have a similar concern.

The "rod" that runs from the belts into the blower, is it supported anywhere along the front of the engine (its hard to tell from the pics). If not, how does it go spinning so fast ? Is there any flex at all, could it maybe, in the future, be a reliability issue ? Not saying it is, but just wondering.

I doubt it, looks like ball bearings both ends and there's no force to make it bow, and the max amount of torque that will ever be applied is obviously the breaking point of the belt.

I doubt it, looks like ball bearings both ends and there's no force to make it bow, and the max amount of torque that will ever be applied is obviously the breaking point of the belt.

From what I can see in the picture, it looks ok. My biggest concern is say the cars on the racetrack for a good period of time, I hope the "rod" will also be able to cope with the sideways forces aswell.

PIV


May be a silly question, but ill ask it anyway as there are probably a few who have a similar concern.

The "rod" that runs from the belts into the blower, is it supported anywhere along the front of the engine (its hard to tell from the pics). If not, how does it go spinning so fast ? Is there any flex at all, could it maybe, in the future, be a reliability issue ? Not saying it is, but just wondering.

The question is good, yes there are 3 bearings in this design, there is one at the small bulge in the middle of the drive shaft tube and one either end. Its actually over engineered and we will in the future go back to 2 bearings and use a thicker shaft to prevent shaft whip.

Something else no one can see is the elastomer coupling between the supercharger and the drive shaft, it absorbs shock and also compensates if there is misalignment between blower and drive shaft so the blower nor the shaft bearings will ever be stressed. How cool is that hey :D

Bigs can confirm that one and he is currently the most skilled installer of that part as he fitted the charger into it a few times the other night

We have covered a lot of the bases :D

i really can't see why you'd call it a piping nightmare. and what exactly do you both mean when you say it would be a problem getting air into the blower??

just get a short snout pod filter and put it straight onto the front of the S/C, in this case you would have to run the MAF in a blow through setup. if it's room your worried about an option would be to remove part of the inner guard to acommodate the S/C and associated bit but you would have to make sure you strenghten the surrounding panels. The abovementioned issue is my wellfounded concern, apart from that it would be a lovely little location - just tight.

I think I mentioned it above, will mention it again

We are now going for draw through MAF same as we did the the Lancer kits which went very well

Just looking at that photo and have a few questions...
1. Is this an engine driven turbine or a supercharger? It looks like the former.
2. What sort of ratios are we talking here? Because from my way of thinking, at low revs it will only produce low boost, and at high revs, high boost. Which in effect is the same as a turbo.
3. Also you might be able to answer this... what is the drawbacks of taking the exhaust gasses from one side (say the front bank of 3 cylinders) to drive a turbo? Would be much simpler piping.

Looks good though! :D
Cheers
Pete

this is whats known as a centrifugal type supercharger, basicall its a belt driven supercharger, instead of using screws (as a regular supercharger does) it uses a turbine housing, it's like manually spinning a turbo using the engines belts rather than the exhaust gasses.

Yes you could also add a turbo charger onto this setup aswell but that would make things even harder again with room restrictions. i think this answers your question unless you are talking about running a turbo setup using only one bank of the engine to run it in which case yes it could be done but tuning would be a nightmare (not so much the setup itself)

here's a question for you guys,(see: random things that pop into my head) running the supercharger into the front bank of the engine only and then run a turbo off the front bank of the engine and only having the turbo feed into the rear bank, i know this would be a big $$$ setup but have any of you ever thought of it and do you guys think it could be tuned properly??

disclaimer: no i am not going to attempt to do this, but it's something i have see setup on a V8 engine similkar to this a while ago somewhere on the net.

here's a question for you guys,(see: random things that pop into my head) running the supercharger into the front bank of the engine only and then run a turbo off the front bank of the engine and only having the turbo feed into the rear bank, i know this would be a big $$$ setup but have any of you ever thought of it and do you guys think it could be tuned properly??

disclaimer: no i am not going to attempt to do this, but it's something i have see setup on a V8 engine similkar to this a while ago somewhere on the net.

nightmare/impossible to tune, and it'd be horribly rough since half of your cylinders will be getting boost from low rpm and then half will be getting a bigger boost at high rpm. in short it's a pretty terrible idea and no gains to be had.

here's a question for you guys,(see: random things that pop into my head) running the supercharger into the front bank of the engine only and then run a turbo off the front bank of the engine and only having the turbo feed into the rear bank, i know this would be a big $$$ setup but have any of you ever thought of it and do you guys think it could be tuned properly??

disclaimer: no i am not going to attempt to do this, but it's something i have see setup on a V8 engine similkar to this a while ago somewhere on the net.

How excatly will be run the supercharged into the front bank only ? You would need to go twin throttle bodys, with a new manifold/plenum design to be able to force the supercharged air into only the front bank.

Your idea will work if the supercharger is running into the engine per normal, and then you have a turbo being run of a single bank, and then back into the engine aswell.

Issues come with getting a turbo that can be run off 1.7L, and provide enough boost for a 3.5L engine, ie, smaller turbine or something to those lines. Although, having both the turbo, and supercharger working at the same time will help the finding of a turbo to suit.

How excatly will be run the supercharged into the front bank only ? You would need to go twin throttle bodys, with a new manifold/plenum design to be able to force the supercharged air into only the front bank.

this is what i'm talking about, as i said i've seen it before a while ago but wasn't sure of how well it worked.

Japs already made one, they call it SuperTurbo (http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2216/article.html)

this is what i'm talking about, as i said i've seen it before a while ago but wasn't sure of how well it worked.

it's not off seperate banks, it's for different rpm. people on boostcruising have done it with rotaries.

Japs already made one, they call it SuperTurbo (http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2216/article.html)


it's not off seperate banks, it's for different rpm. people on boostcruising have done it with rotaries.

no and no, the first is a straight forward supercharger/turbo setup and it has been done many times on many cars.

the second... well i'm fairly high up in the rotary scene and have never heard of anyone doing anything even remotely like that.

rotaries wih superchargers in general don't rev that high and when chasing performance there's no way in hell you'd even think about a S/C.

Just looking at that photo and have a few questions...
1. Is this an engine driven turbine or a supercharger? It looks like the former.
2. What sort of ratios are we talking here? Because from my way of thinking, at low revs it will only produce low boost, and at high revs, high boost. Which in effect is the same as a turbo.
3. Also you might be able to answer this... what is the drawbacks of taking the exhaust gasses from one side (say the front bank of 3 cylinders) to drive a turbo? Would be much simpler piping.

Looks good though! :D
Cheers
Pete


This is an engine driven supercharger

A low rpm it produces low boost, at higher rpm proportionally more boost, that is why this system is so popular with other brands of vehicles, the stress buildup is gradual and the more rpm the more easily torque can be handled, meaning lower strength tranmissions etc cope very well

THere have been turbocharger systems powered by half a V engine in the past, it works but not too exciting, there are plenty of reasons why it doesn't happen anymore.

This kit should fit all Magna's from 96 - 3.0 and 3.5

Anyone got any opinion or reason on why it wouldn't ,,,,,,,,,,,

This kit should fit all Magna's from 96 - 3.0 and 3.5

Anyone got any opinion or reason on why it wouldn't ,,,,,,,,,,,

The deck height of the block is 15mm shorter on the 3L than the 3.5L which means an offset lower inlet plenum is employed. Your issue will be intercooler plumbing given shorter space between cylinder banks.

Well the whole thing was prototyped on a 3.0 and while the space may the shorter a little I feel sure this presents us no big drama at all, and then when it fitted directly to the 3.5 it looked even better.

Seems all good so far, a little space difference here and there shall be accomodated no problem

more pics !!! also what pricewe looking at fitted tuned etc, drive in drive out intercooled

The basic kit which we call ProStreet is $5500 for now.

I will PM you some thoughts on ProStreet Intercooled system

Checked out a 380 while I was inspecting a Magna this afternoon, beautiful news is that the kit with minor mods will go right onto a 380!!

380 Owners you have an option .............. if there are any of you out there :)

Checked out a 380 while I was inspecting a Magna this afternoon, beautiful news is that the kit with minor mods will go right onto a 380!!

380 Owners you have an option .............. if there are any of you out there :)
I'm hearing ya, keep us posted. I'm sure there are several 380 owners who will be interested!

If thats your 380 in the avatar ........ seems a nice machine indeed!

all ears here...

What about CR?

380 is 10:1

Well remember that engines like the LS1/Gen 3 Holden V8 are 10.3:1 or thereabouts and run 10psi plus. The Holden Alloytec will take 10 - 11psi very easy and its compression ratio is around 10.5:1.

The above paragraph's information does not in anyway guarantee/or imply that the 380 engine will take those pressures/compression ratio mixes, somehow I doubt it would, however I think 6-7psi would go just fine. The ECU might present a few tricks but like anything it can be got around if enough effort is put in.

Food for thought for 380 people, but definitely doable from a harware point of view. This is a major step forward for the 380 owners who felt that nothing much would be done for their model.



On another point I know people are concerned about how this kit is going to "appear" but once the polished stainless cover goes over all the drive assembly it will be show quality or the same cover could be painted in Matt Black for blending into stock engine bay. It will look the goods for sure :D

If thats your 380 in the avatar ........ seems a nice machine indeed!
Yep she's all mine, thanks for the comment.

Keep up the good work, we will be very interested to see the final outcome.

The above paragraph's information does not in anyway guarantee/or imply that the 380 engine will take those pressures/compression ratio mixes, somehow I doubt it would, however I think 6-7psi would go just fine. The ECU might present a few tricks but like anything it can be got around if enough effort is put in.


Need to find out what boost the Raptor S/C on the US Galants are running...

Need to find out what boost the Raptor S/C on the US Galants are running...
Need a US Galant including Mivec motor with right hand drive conversion for oz!!! ..... with all our mods so far :D

The only tricky thing about the 380 is the ECU, master that and we can do just about anything

The only tricky thing about the 380 is the ECU, master that and we can do just about anything
My guy at CNJ got the Unichip Q working on my car, he was the first in Australia. I gave him a copy of the manual on CD so he could see what all the input/outputs do, so I am confident he could make it all work.

Well thats a nice little break through, ready when anyone else is then :badgrin:

We have purchased a Magna today, well at least its all underway, the fellow is getting his roadworthy etc together.

So from here on we will be quickly proving what the kit can do :badgrin:

Sweat stuff! Are you expecting difference tunes for manual v auto or auto4s vs auto5s vs AWD5s?

I am expecting that most customers will have a custom tune as it will be so easy to do this.

From our car base tunes can be supplied which are likely to be very useable, things like extractor and exhaust system setups will mean some cars will need adjusted tuning to get the max from whatever they have

We are likely to have our car for a few months and then resell it.

Will electronic boost control come with the management system? Which piggyback are you utilising, something thru Chiptorque?

The piggyback offers many features and its manufactured in Australia, especially for us in the case of the Magna.

The interceptor stands apart from most other piggy back computers because fuel mixture is modified by intercepting the actual fuel injector pulse signal, not by modifying Airflow meter or MAP sensor signals. This method enables engines with larger size injectors, even low resistance injectors, to be tuned with ease. Fuel can be modified +/-100% and ignition timing up to +/-50 degrees totally independent of each other at any engine speed or load. An on board 22psi boost MAP sensor ensures tunability even if the original engine sensors have been 'saturated' or reached their maximum reading. Tuning is performed using Windows based software and a supplied communication cable.

Because we have ordered it specced for Magna I will market it as Raptor something or other and will be the only one to actually stock specd for Magna in AU. The results it has produced for us on other vehicles in the past were amazing and I expect this product to do same on Magna

Here is our lovely Magna, not quite yet ours but well on the way.

5 speed manual, 125 000kms on the clock, one owner, cruise control, all the electrics etc with 3.5 engine. This car should be ripe to produce some decent figures.

Enjoy

nice one tim!! haha its got a ez-boy numberplate!!!:P

it must be ezboys secret second magna he hiding from the wife.

joking, nice buy Tim, didnt think you were going to buy one. I could of always given my car for a doner test charger ;)

:bowrofl: I snickered at the plates too! Thought I'd have had a thousand pms about it. Unfortanately it's not mine :cry:

Well the deal on the car shown was done, the fellow had to road worthy it and then collect our payment............ so what does he do?? Decides to sell it to some other dude for a couple of hundred bucks more and lets me know he has sold it elsewhere!

So no Magna, Bigs, you are on mate, drop that machine back for a couple of weeks and we will set it up, ready when you are.

Well the deal on the car shown was done, the fellow had to road worthy it and then collect our payment............ so what does he do?? Decides to sell it to some other dude for a couple of hundred bucks more and lets me know he has sold it elsewhere!

So no Magna, Bigs, you are on mate, drop that machine back for a couple of weeks and we will set it up, ready when you are.

Ouch... bad luck man, hope its not too much of a set back!

Well the deal on the car shown was done, the fellow had to road worthy it and then collect our payment............ so what does he do?? Decides to sell it to some other dude for a couple of hundred bucks more and lets me know he has sold it elsewhere!



Seems to be a lot of that going on atm...

Well the deal on the car shown was done, the fellow had to road worthy it and then collect our payment............ so what does he do?? Decides to sell it to some other dude for a couple of hundred bucks more and lets me know he has sold it elsewhere!




Seems to be a lot of that going on atm...
Yes, yes there does seem to be a lot of that going on... :rant:

:bowrofl: That's gotta be the first time a magna hasn't had to drop it's price to sell!! Sorry for your pain but I can see the funny/sad side of this.

Mate ......... that was my thought as well, should be put on record that people will walk across burning coals to pay more for Magna!!

My thoughts in the days following was it a sign I should put the Magna kit on hold ..........

Comment on that would be welcome ...... talk to me :D :D

Mate ......... that was my thought as well, should be put on record that people will walk across burning coals to pay more for Magna!!

My thoughts in the days following was it a sign I should put the Magna kit on hold ..........

Comment on that would be welcome ...... talk to me :D :D


Don't even think about it there are plenty of magnas out there to buy

Yep there are plenty out there :D

Might wait again for another potential testing customer to come forward ........ needing a new one :D

i wont be needing my car for 6 months you can "borrow it" if you want, so long as it comes back with a shiney blower on it :P

Whereabouts are you located

Yep there are plenty out there :D

Might wait again for another potential testing customer to come forward ........ needing a new one :D
If you were in Brissy I may be convinced to part with my 380 for a while.

Bollocks. Wish you guys were in Sydney. I can make the car available from the 1st wk of July but that's not very helpful I suppose. My ride is AWD with the 5spd auto so wont produce glowing dyno figures. Unless you want to install my forged pistons and rods (assuming they make it on time) while you've got it and push a few more lb through it? Let me know.

The only tricky thing about the 380 is the ECU, master that and we can do just about anything
Spoke to my tuner today re my unichip Q, to supercharge it would have to run extra injectors. The only way to run a standard 6 injector setup is to replace the whole ecu but that may be a mamoth task since half the dash & also the auto is controlled by the factory ecu.

If we could get the software to flash the ecu then we would be right. TMR must have it to do the supercharged 380s?

C'mon folks, a car is needed ASAP so the kits can be finalised and made available. Post here or PM Tim/Tradewind about a Once In A Lifetime offer for someone wanting to part with their car for a few wks.

Drive it there or put it on a flattop, as long as it gets there!

Any chance you could fit it to a second gen? 3.0 V6...PM me if anythings the go, costing etc etc. Looking to add a touch more power if this is possible!

Cheers,
Adz

Sorry

Won't be doing the 2nd gen at all. Will leave that to the really keen people

All the Raptor special prices end at June 30 for this kit.

The Piggyback ECU is also being given a new firmware upgrade as well as now being configured for the various Magna ECU's found in 3rd Gen cars. Within a few weeks at most there should be up to 3 variations of the piggyback for Magna V6. You guys are getting luckier by the day, these will be highly suited to turbo setup's as well

Also in the works or at least the thinking stages is a Triton V6 kit for 06 and up body, or whenever the new spaceship shape started

All the Raptor special prices end at June 30 for this kit.

The Piggyback ECU is also being given a new firmware upgrade as well as now being configured for the various Magna ECU's found in 3rd Gen cars. Within a few weeks at most there should be up to 3 variations of the piggyback for Magna V6. You guys are getting luckier by the day, these will be highly suited to turbo setup's as well

Also in the works or at least the thinking stages is a Triton V6 kit for 06 and up body, or whenever the new spaceship shape started]
Has this even been installed and running in a car yet?! Figures?

I installed the Moristech interceptor today (the unit for the Raptor kit) into my AWD TJ2, took about 2hrs. Dumb thing to try and start at 2:30pm as the sun falls pretty quickly from 4pm and I was getting anxious - several nice soldering iron burns to verify the anxiety :redface:

That aside, the supplied wiring diagram was spot-on, car starts, idles, revs. I will drive it tomorrow to fully verify the compatibilty but I can report that all seems good so far.

Just need that belt driven snail now.... :cool:

The first step towards reliable massive power increases is showing potential. The Moristech Prosequential ECU compatibility with Magna had to be confirmed before we can take a further step. We are serious about making the Magna kits powerful but reliable and will not compromise on the reliable part hence every injector will be replaced and upgraded so no cylinders ever run lean. Nothing half baked here! Special thanks to EZBOY for being the first to install this in Australia/World on the 3.5. It is note worthy in that the Moristech absolutely stands head and shoulders above the more repsected brands in what it offers and the ease of tuning etc

The manufacture part of the hardware has dragged behind but not for any other reason other than machinist has taken on other work as well as taking time to install and adjust new machining equipment.

I am liking this :D, now time for boost.

Okay Punters here's the low:

ECU is in and the injector/ecu confusion has been resolved. Fueling and ignition timing can be very quickly and easy adjusted via laptop. I've taken 10% fuel out above 80% throttle, added 5deg timing from 50-70% and 10deg 80-100% throttle just for fun. Took about 20seconds to do. We stalled the car by cutting fuel and retarding timing to ensure the values being adjusted were having a real-world effect before booking dyno time later on.

Just need some $ and a Raptor package in the mail. :cool:

I'm stunned by the amount of control this little unit offers. For under $1000 it dumps all over other systems of comparable features. Ease of programming is a massive understatement. I've shown the software to a local tuner and he grinned like a fool stating the logical interface and system displays. I think this has wide implications for our community beyond the current Raptor situation.

went for a quick hoon on Ian's private road this arvy, and for an AWD auto, well, it pulls nearly as hard with a 14 year old with a stick mag!:D

In Natch/Asp form the Moristech uses TPS v RPM to tune the fuel map and the ignition map. In boosted applications, tuning is done via MAP v RPM. The unit has a BUILT IN 22psi (max) MAP sensor, mine is tee'd off the fuel pressure reg line and thru the grommet near the passenger-side strut tower as suggested by Heathyoung. The MAP sensor also reads vacuum. Lots of fun. I'll probably get a map or two done and make them available to other members who utilise the Moristech.

Mate, you are telling it like it is, anyone out there with a boosted Magna either with Sprintex, turbo or worked with cams etc will find the safe power increases they can tune in with this piggback to be way in front of their expectations.

OK I guess I promised a price, I will seek an introductory price for you all that will have a time limit like 30days.

There will possibly be some tunes that you can get from EZBOY to get you stock NA Magna hauling like it should

For the serious Magna owner :badgrin: