How does this defer from the haltech miniceptors/interceotors?

sorry if its a stupid question, as i have a miniceptor, just wondering if it would make much of a difference.

mike

hmm this sounds brilliant!

Would the Moristech be worth getting for common NA mods (exhaust etc)?

this supercharger setup will work if i get a cam upgrade yeah?

If you are changing intake manifold, changing cams, changing injectors, want to optimise the engine for economy operation or just plain want to get everything from the engine as it is then that is when I would consider this item.

I wouldn't get too carried away after adding exhaust and extractors only, but then if someone starts tuning in another 30hp extra with extractors and exhaust then how could you say no? Remains to be seen, I am certain some people who already have been tuning could answer those questions better than me.

If you are changing intake manifold, changing cams, changing injectors, want to optimise the engine for economy operation or just plain want to get everything from the engine as it is then that is when I would consider this item.

I wouldn't get too carried away after adding exhaust and extractors only, but then if someone starts tuning in another 30hp extra with extractors and exhaust then how could you say no? Remains to be seen, I am certain some people who already have been tuning could answer those questions better than me.

I agree, it remains to be seen. Big call saying 30h.p from extractors and exhaust with this piggyback. If it did i would be a little pissed for adding cams, plenum etc for similar gain.

ProSequential Piggyback w/loom, Softare and data cable

Here is what I said


I wouldn't get too carried away after adding exhaust and extractors only, but then if someone starts tuning in another 30hp extra with extractors and exhaust then how could you say no? Remains to be seen, I am certain some people who already have been tuning could answer those questions better than me.

The key word is IF, I did not make a call in any form at all merely a suggestion that IF someone did add one and optimised everything around a high flow exhaust together with fuel and ignition optimisation and found 30hp then it could be a serious option. Never said you could, to be realistic some of the quartermile time gains I have seen from Magna's recieving the extractors and exhaust mod have been impressive and somehow must amount to more than a 15hp gain in themselves anyway...........

Am open for comment and opinion on my last paragraph

how much for a pro seqential

Chasing an introductry price which I am still working on

keen on this for a 3L if u develop them...

just wondering how these go with intercooling?

how are these kits coming along?
be good to see what they can do :)

So are the Supercharger kits ready ?

Are you selling the DIY kit yet ?

how much for a pro seqential

I'd am interested in one of these too.

Finally have recieved notice the first drive assembly is good for pickup from machine shop tomorrow.

The second unit is also near done.

I still have to manufacture some other parts now the drives are done, and then onto the road freight to the long suffering customers. Best part is I haven't been prepaid so there is no stress in that sense.

Someone should have something running within the next 30 days :D YES

This will be VERY interesting! Can't wait to see some results!

Finally have recieved notice the first drive assembly is good for pickup from machine shop tomorrow.

The second unit is also near done.

I still have to manufacture some other parts now the drives are done, and then onto the road freight to the long suffering customers. Best part is I haven't been prepaid so there is no stress in that sense.

Someone should have something running within the next 30 days :D YES

Any changes on the first design, or any changes on the expected price ?

The drive tube design is changed in the second item that has been manufactured, all drive units etc will be covered by a very neat cover to finish it off very neatly, essentially you won't know what is underneath.


Cost/price, no changes to what I have suggested previously.

The drive tube design is changed in the second item that has been manufactured, all drive units etc will be covered by a very neat cover to finish it off very neatly, essentially you won't know what is underneath.


Cost/price, no changes to what I have suggested previously.

Sounds good. Very eager to see the finished product :D

The MORISTECH PRO SEQUENTIAL intercepter that Raptor supply/recommend with their upcoming kit works very well. I had my AWD natch asp tuned today (to demonstrate my inlet manifolds primarily) and the results were spectacular! Up from 114.7kw to 132.5kw at peak with huge gains all over the curve.

This is possible because the Moristech doesn't intercept the airflow meter and try to induce the factory ECU to change fuel and ignition, instead it control the final signal from the ECU to injectors, and changes the crank angle reading the ECU sees to change ignition timing. Very powerful and economical unit.

Full dyno is posted in this thread: http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56542&page=18

Thanks for the write up on the Moristech, proven to work well elsewhere and the simple way to get Magna's hauling no matter what mods, even if they are turbo, NA or SC. The one device does em all

Thanks for the write up on the Moristech, proven to work well elsewhere and the simple way to get Magna's hauling no matter what mods, even if they are turbo, NA or SC. The one device does em all


how much is this installed?? and where do you get it from??

At this point in time EZBOY and Raptor Superchargers are able to retail the Magna spec ProSequential ECU to anyone who needs one.

Contact either of us for these, there are a few configurations for the various models so its best to buy from EZ BOY as he arranged the supply of all the information to MT

PM him or us

Viewed the 98% completed product today, made a couple of changes during the week otherwise very very please

FINAL SNAG- there are injectors available but some hassles all the same, any suggestions from modded Magna owners on this one will be welcome.

Looking for about 430cc per cylinder

Anyone tried something larger that fitted or ???

i think i remmber someone saying that they installed injectors off a toyota 6cyl turbo motor, can't remember which series but the only fabrication that was neede was slight raise of the fuel rail, i'll have a look around the forum and see if i can dig up the thread.

edit - http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56382&highlight=toyota

this should help out

Since I posted an option has come to light, it will fit directly in and needs a plug change to connect electrically. Otherwise it is correct height etc. Its around 470cc

Looking HOT :D

That's a relief. Do we need to solder plugs on?

EZBOY

I reckon soldering of plugs could be what has to happen, unless there is some special tool that allows factory style crimping or similar.

I am so excited, finally the Raptor V specially configered for Magna install is being manufactured, I should have it done by tomorrow afternoon, this only happens when everything else is READY TO GO :badgrin: :badgrin:

I'm getting excited ........... I think lol

Forgot to mention that sample injectors etc are on the way, should be here by Tuesday, will then make assessment of how suitable they are

Hello World (this is not John Laws)

Tomorrow the Magna kit leaves the engineer for good, goes to have cover made and to be painted.

THIS THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN .......... PRO STREET MAGNA V6 ........ enormous power gains for lowest possible cost

The one lucky person will be the first ever to have a Raptor Supercharger on their V6 AWD, history to be made ........... EZBOY + V6 + AWD + Raptor Supercharger system.

well i know ill be naggin EZ BOY for a squiz!

ill be buzzin around the carwash like a fly on **** now!

This sort of sh*t makes me wanna take out another loan........... and a life insurance policy :bowrofl:

Great work :thumbsup:

this is great news :D
any ideas on the final costs? cause if all goes well i hope to have one by the end of the year
also whats included in the kit?

$5500 buys the ProStreet Kit with following content:


ECU - ProSequential Piggyback with software
Drive tube
Raptor V - Supercharger (boost dependant on kit level)
Intake pipe
Discharge pipe
Belt 6PK
Idler
Injectors X 6 470cc
Bolts
Airfilter
Auto tensioner - GATES
Fitting Instructions
Bosch CBV - Plumb back
Vac hose
Breather hose
Idler pulley x 2
Pod filter


Any other forums or Magazines I should be spreading this news in? What magazines does a Magna enthusiast read? Lets get the Magnas up where they should be in this world hey!

This sort of sh*t makes me wanna take out another loan........... and a life insurance policy :bowrofl:

Great work :thumbsup:
:bowrofl: hahahahhaha man you gotta stop being tempted!
However now i wanna take out a loan, I'm sure if i just reverse the kit around it'll work...:shifty:

Is that including install?

That doesn't include install, for those who know something about their car they won't have any fitting costs. For those who want to enjoy their car but would rather leave under bonnet things to someone else then they should allow $600 for fitting I suggest.

EZBOY will keep you all up to speed with how this goes on the car and what it does/doesn't do.

For those who can read between the lines, what do you see people?????

New inlet manifolds for Magna, new Piggyback ECUs that cane everything else, new supercharger systems and later intercooled systems for Magna's ................ and maybe more :D

You by now should be seeing a smogasboard of gear for your beloved rides, and all arrives on the market in the next 2-3 weeks. Thats gotta be AWESOME NEWS

That doesn't include install, for those who know something about their car they won't have any fitting costs. For those who want to enjoy their car but would rather leave under bonnet things to someone else then they should allow $600 for fitting I suggest.

EZBOY will keep you all up to speed with how this goes on the car and what it does/doesn't do.

Thats a pretty darn good price for an install.
Why cant you be located in the western suburbs of melbourne.
This kit will be off the hook!

Bud

You spread the word, Electronic Automotive at Epping will be our nominated fitter tuner for Melbourne, no iffs no butts this business is highly respected and has been the principle tuner of all Raptor kits for Holdens for the last 4 years!

Send the people knocking on EA's door and have them tell Tim Sheather to get their Magna kit in STOCK RIGHT NOW.

VICTORIA

Electronic Automotive Pty Ltd
15 Salicki Ave Epping 3076
Phone- 94088122 Fax-94015726


QLD

Matt Stocker Automotive
1/51 EASTERN ROAD
BROWNS PLAINS

3800 3709

NTH QUEENSLAND

Raptor Superchargers
(yes we will fit and tune through a local business)




NSW

Wolf Performance (0400011387)
51 Leighton Pl
Hornsby NSW 2077
- Location is Hornsby Nth,

Newcastle area
Hunter Dyno (for tuning of this kit) EZBOY's tuner
Ph 0249876070


SA

Possibly -
Charged Automotive (Details coming)

WA

Have talked with RPW on this one, not sure if this is a plan or not yet. Further discussion to
take place



Anyone wishing to order, PM me to get it underway when you are ready, we can take it from there.

PAYMENT METHODS
We take payment through PAYPAL (credit card) OR you can also directly deposit into our nominated account

knowning rpw they'll try and make money off of this kit :doubt:

so any progress on getting the kit to fit the TW? because when i spoke to you last the aircon piping was an issue.

That doesn't include install, for those who know something about their car they won't have any fitting costs. For those who want to enjoy their car but would rather leave under bonnet things to someone else then they should allow $600 for fitting I suggest.

EZBOY will keep you all up to speed with how this goes on the car and what it does/doesn't do.

For those who can read between the lines, what do you see people?????

New inlet manifolds for Magna, new Piggyback ECUs that cane everything else, new supercharger systems and later intercooled systems for Magna's ................ and maybe more :D

You by now should be seeing a smogasboard of gear for your beloved rides, and all arrives on the market in the next 2-3 weeks. Thats gotta be AWESOME NEWS
I'm getting all warm and fuzzy or something...?

sorry if this has been answered but can an auto handle this??

sorry if this has been answered but can an auto handle this??

it's getting tested on a AWD auto, so you'll find out soon
im wondering how long the stock diff will last for lol

TW - It was worked out many weeks ago that an adjustment of the AC pipes (ie bending upwards) will clear the kit, not an issue unless we have overlooked something else on those last 2 models

On the Automatic story.............. you will find out, but tell me, were the sprintex supercharged cars auto or manual?? I would be the most suprised Australian if there had not been at least 2 Magna owners with an auto trans which had increased engine power being fed through it and have reported how they stood up to same.

At this point in time there has been no large Australian car with an auto trans that couldn't handle a Raptor kit, the Fords are all fine, the Commodores can shift pretty badly but trans doesnt fail and I suspect that Mitsu would have figured on people wanting to do towing with at least some of their cars therefore the auto is likely to be plenty good. I always advise a full transmission service for automatics prior to fitting a kit or shortly thereafter, prevents a load of problems and auto services are generally NOT expensive.

Mate this sounds really exciting! The $5500 I assume is not including tuning. So if fitted by myself, I should allow how much for tuning... $500? I have no idea as never had a car tuned before...

EZBOY just had a full NA tune done, he can tell you more precisely what it takes on a Magna. A boosted tune will take no longer as you simply go from load point to load point and adjust as needed.

I think around 3.5hrs @ $115 per hour in EZBOY's latest effort.

NSW

A previous customer there who has his own business will handle this one. Very skilled and trusted. Pretty sure he posted in this thread. - Sydney

Will also be recommending EZBOYS tuner for Newcastle area as well.

Who and where is this recommended garage is in Sydney?

Also, what will be the cost for adding intercooler with the kit?

Even I am excited and thats slightly unusual when I am pumping out this kind of thing everyday, but the Magna thing is just that bit different and yep I am warming to owning a Magna ............... Got a 3 liter manual Altera on the hook at present should I need it. Got high ks but its one owner and I test drove it brand new, went well then actually.


EZBOY can you disclose the complete information on the tuning shop name, address and phone numbers here so peeps in your area know who to call

On the Automatic story.............. you will find out, but tell me, were the sprintex supercharged cars auto or manual?? I would be the most suprised Australian if there had not been at least 2 Magna owners with an auto trans which had increased engine power being fed through it and have reported how they stood up to same.

my 4 speed auto withstood 160kw+ atw (and who knows how much torque... 450nm at the flywheel??) for over 12 months and at least 4 track days. it's still strong, and I'm only replacing it 'cause I want a manual. keep it serviced and the fluid clean and it'll handle it.

I would strongly suggest a transmission cooler though.

cheers,
.wook

EDIT: for the record, the AWD auto is a LOT different to the FWD auto. there should be no problems at all with the AWD 'box.

Will the auto take it? ^^^^^^^^^


First one pops up already and I fully agree with his recommendation for an oil cooler

I feel 100% certain Mitsu would have made no changes to the trans in the Sprintex cars and the Magna ProStreet Supercharger kit will have a much friendlier power delivery than the Sprintex.

EZBOY can you disclose the complete information on the tuning shop name, address and phone numbers here so peeps in your area know who to call

Hope this helps


http://www.hunterdyno.com.au/

BJ31OS

Thanks mate, have added that back into the original post about locations this kit could be tuned/fitted at.

Collecting charger kit in 20 mins then delivering it to sheet metal shop for cover to be manufactured. Then >>>>>>>>>>>>> to EZYBOY

Hope this helps


http://www.hunterdyno.com.au/

Righto! They do install as well yeh not only tuning? otherwise, ezboy will do it :D

Anyone could fit it, just some care needed on wiring in the ProSequential computer, EZBOY rated it as nothing difficult and any shop worth their salt should be able to handle it

I have just added an update to post #537 about payment for systems

There is slightly more detail on the Sydney fitting shop, just waiting for Lee to get back to me

STOP! Don't PM for a fitting and tuning price yet.

Why? I'm still yet to see the kit and what is exactly involved. I will hold discussions will an Auto Eleco near Dad's Exhaust Shop and see if we can offer a FIXED PRICE installation. Additionally any exhaust work can also be done to meet the minimum recommended mod levels for the SC install.

Tuning: I am looking to do a tune on OEM inlet manifold AND on my STREETFIGHTER MANIFOLD and making them available with the kit when we install. Alternative tunes can be arranged thru Hunter All Wheel Dyno. People who want to install their own kits can purchase tunes from me if they'd like to save some $ on dyno time.

Just some thoughts, if anyone is interested let me know in the coming weeks as the data from the kit filters through. :cool:

Further updates to #537, cover the Sydney people needing a Mitsu specialist to supercharged their Magna. Lee is formerly a factory Mitsu technician.

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=905497&postcount=537

The big count down is on, just another 2days and then on the road

Will also look at having stock injectors laser drilled as another high flow option

Will also look at having stock injectors laser drilled as another high flow option

Stock injectors can't be flowed by any worthwhile amount - at least thats the information I received.

BB

Ok will check that out and confirm

Walbro arrived friday arvo :D

Walbro arrived friday arvo :D

Sweet, have you fitted it yet? also i might have gotten onto shift kits for the AWD magna box as well, ill see if i can find the link for you.

Magna00

Shift kits will certainly have a place if some exist

Let us all know any part numbers/availability info

Not in yet, might look at it tomorrow.

Shift kit OR valve body upgrade? 3sx? DSM?

Mind you the gearbox and drivetrain in the AWD is most likely to be the studiest in any of the Magna platforms.

Not in yet, might look at it tomorrow.

Shift kit OR valve body upgrade? 3sx? DSM?

Mind you the gearbox and drivetrain in the AWD is most likely to be the studiest in any of the Magna platforms.

valve body, will give you a stiffer shift and lessen the slurring of a typical slush box.

magna00

You wanna put up the brand of this product, part numbers etc and how it changes the shifts so people know where to get them/it

Ta

magna00

You wanna put up the brand of this product, part numbers etc and how it changes the shifts so people know where to get them/it

Ta

yeah im trying to find the website where i was reading it, part no of the box is a 4a51 correct?

And there is always ONE more delay, the little &^$%$%& from the sheet metal shop decides to take the day off so the cover isn't done yet!

Oh well tomorrow hopefully!

cant wait to see this in ey,

In some ways the Magna engine (3.5) must have some qualities similar to a Holden Alloytec

Today we partially tuned an Alloytec 3.6 in a VZ Commy and made 232rwkw @ 8.9psi!

Surely the 6G74 with the four valve head must get close to this efficiency

In some ways the Magna engine (3.5) must have some qualities similar to a Holden Alloytec

Today we partially tuned an Alloytec 3.6 in a VZ Commy and made 232rwkw @ 8.9psi!

Surely the 6G74 with the four valve head must get close to this efficiency
Yes but its the one cam per bank which restricts it really.
the VZ's are DOHC arnt they? So would allow for better tuning due to the seperate cams

OK FINALLY here are a few pics of the system, didn't want to show pics like this but at least it shows the progress of cover (V1.0), will look HOT AS installed on the car

Enjoy, a big change from the early bare shaft images and we have big plans for this cover with logo's etc.

Tomorrow cut out the area for the oil filler cap and then paint the entire assembly


V 2.0 will be with Raptor logo etch onto it, being alloy we could even anodise it too, going to be show quality all the way. Anyone wanting a magazine quality kit will go for this and whats more its at a reasonable price considering the effort that has gone into it

Should be able to do the plugs etc just as normal, no real hinderance to servicing etc

Will paint the assembly underneath, acid wash the compressor cover to remove finger marks etc and then on the big truck for Newcastle :)

Very nice... where is this getting done again?

Trotty

EZBOY is the reciepient of this item, he is in Newcastle or near enough to there.

All the manufacturing is in Nth Qld

Trotty

EZBOY is the reciepient of this item, he is in Newcastle or near enough to there.

All the manufacturing is in Nth Qld
Sweet. How close to Townsville?

Trotty

EZBOY is the reciepient of this item, he is in Newcastle or near enough to there.

All the manufacturing is in Nth Qld

I'm spewin i wasnt involved in this....!!!

Could have been done a bit more local. just some of the fab work thats all:doubt:

This is all done in Mackay at Raptor HQ

Townsville > Mackay = 4 hrs

Trotty

I am missing some critical information on who you are and what you do and how you could have or still could assist ............. fill me in.

This is all done in Mackay at Raptor HQ

Townsville > Mackay = 4 hrs

Trotty

I am missing some critical information on who you are and what you do and how you could have or still could assist ............. fill me in.


I am a welder /fabricator... may have been able to assist in some of the pipework.

Where is Trotty located?

Penrith...

Where is Trotty located?

Penrith I think.

How does this system work out weight wise?

EZBOY is arranging all the pipework for this first installation his father has a zorst shop etc.

The fully made up kits which will be the very next items we send will be complete with pipes. Thanks for the offer but I guess many here would say this project has been on the table for 12 months .................

The weight of what you see there is 15kg which is identical weight to all our Holden/Ford kits, very happy with that. This system will be a good bit less weight than the Sprintex/Eaton type blowers, those things ARE heavy.

EZBOY is arranging all the pipework for this first installation his father has a zorst shop etc.

The fully made up kits which will be the very next items we send will be complete with pipes. Thanks for the offer but I guess many here would say this project has been on the table for 12 months .................

The weight of what you see there is 15kg which is identical weight to all our Holden/Ford kits, very happy with that. This system will be a good bit less weight than the Sprintex/Eaton type blowers, those things ARE heavy.


Understood...

What if somone wanted the kit but say wanted a front mount can it be done?

Bud

If your work is quality you can go down that path and offer members of AMC with our system a service to go FMIC, we would provide specifications so you get it right. We are highly likely to go Water to Air as an intercooler system for this application.

Any images of your work so people can decide if they like your style

Bud

If you work is quality you can go down that path and offer members of AMC with our system a service to go FMIC. We are highly likely to go Water to Air as an intercooler system for this application.

Any images of your work so people can decide if they like your style

Only got pics of exhaust work.... :doubt:
will have some FMIC work soon..take some pics then.:D

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60818

Trotty

We have a fellow in Brisbane who used to work for Bullett Supercars and he does the odd system for our customers, very high standard and excellent results.

I don't mind if you do something like this ............ up to you. Ultimately its probably too expensive and time consuming to do too many by hand but ........... whatever.

Trotty

We have a fellow in Brisbane who used to work for Bullett Supercars and he does the odd system for our customers, very high standard and excellent results.

I don't mind if you do something like this ............ up to you. Ultimately its probably too expensive and time consuming to do too many by hand but ........... whatever.


I would make a template and get them mandrel bent... as possibly a kit.

Bud

See my comment in Trotty special exhaust thread, you can expand on your abilities etc here a bit further if you like.

Bud

See my comment in Trotty special exhaust thread, you can expand on your abilities etc here a bit further if you like.

To be totally honest i have spent the last 12 years doing sheetmetalwork, stainless kitchens and the like for various manufacturers. the last 5 years ive also been doing quite a bit of handrail work, all stainless polished. Heres where my interest in exhausts and FMIC and general pipework on cars came about. Started of doing my own, and then some friends, and so on. Had my business for 12ths and coudnt get enough exhaust work spent most of it contracting. now i do it on the side again and do my full time job untill i can get back on my feet...

OK got it, no problem with any of that from our end.

Just like a new baby in the family this one, been a difficult birth :badgrin: but we are gonna take care of it :D

OK got it, no problem with any of that from our end.

Just like a new baby in the family this one, been a difficult birth :badgrin: but we are gonna take care of it :D

they all are... lol

good to see some progress on this kit, can't wait to see how it compares to others including mine....

the cover came up tops aswell :cool:

QMD///801

Thanks on that score bud, yeah we are making ground now. We have your power as a target and maybe we don't get there without an intercooler, I think around 190ish on this first attempt. Then add some intercooling and we aim to get 215 or so. We are working with AWD so will lose some ground there in power so maybe the 190 becomes 180 but either way an FWD will be the best to compare against you. Maybe someone on here knows the drivetrain loss for AWD versus FWD in 3.5 liter Magna's ...........



We just got the drive back 10 mins ago with oil filler cut out all done. Will paint it this W/E, acid wash the cover again and away we go.

Will get some more images. The 470cc injectors are here also so its very near to all systems
go!!!!


http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=908665&postcount=571


Link above

QMD///801

Thanks on that score bud, yeah we are making ground now. We have your power as a target and maybe we don't get there without an intercooler, I think around 190ish on this first attempt. Then add some intercooling and we aim to get 215 or so. We are working with AWD so will lose some ground there in power so maybe the 190 becomes 180 but either way an FWD will be the best to compare against you. Maybe someone on here knows the drivetrain loss for AWD versus FWD in 3.5 liter Magna's ...........




The AWD drivetrain loss is about 30% but it varies and the wheel kilowat figure on an auto awd is very difficult to reliably obtain in the first place.

If there is a genuine 200kw at the treads then your awd magna should be laying down a 0-100 time in the mid fives and a standing quarter mile in the mid 13s.

The AWD drivetrain loss is about 30% but it varies and the wheel kilowat figure on an auto awd is very difficult to reliably obtain in the first place.

If there is a genuine 200kw at the treads then your awd magna should be laying down a 0-100 time in the mid fives and a standing quarter mile in the mid 13s.

Mid 5s is hard to see given the 1700kg. I'm running mid 7s with 130odd kw now. Depends on when the torque decides to join in. Left in D my silly tranny shifts right before the 100km mark when redlined :(

Seems to take about 50kw to turn the wheels at peak Kw. Most stock awds lay down peak kw of 95-105 from a standard 155 or there abouts. I'm not sure that I subscribe to percentage loss vs set figure needed to turn the wheels. Of course you then need to consider loss at initial acceleration vs loss when car has constant velocity, then there's increasing drag and so on and so on. I'm not sure there's a 'real' answer that is definitive. Since everyone is wanting to know peak output in kw that can be the only direct comparison. Both % loss vs set loss will give very different results as power rises atw.

Take my situation:

Currently peaked at 132.5 therefore 132.5 * 1.1/3 = 176.6 VS 132.5 + 50 = 182.5.

But really, who gives a s**t when you're upsetting cars worth more than 5x what the market value of your magna is :D

QMD///801

Thanks on that score bud, yeah we are making ground now. We have your power as a target and maybe we don't get there without an intercooler, I think around 190ish on this first attempt. Then add some intercooling and we aim to get 215 or so. We are working with AWD so will lose some ground there in power so maybe the 190 becomes 180 but either way an FWD will be the best to compare against you. Maybe someone on here knows the drivetrain loss for AWD versus FWD in 3.5 liter Magna's ...........



We just got the drive back 10 mins ago with oil filler cut out all done. Will paint it this W/E, acid wash the cover again and away we go.

Will get some more images. The 470cc injectors are here also so its very near to all systems
go!!!!


http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showpost.php?p=908665&postcount=571


Link above

can I ask what sort of injectors your going to be using? and if they require modification of the fuel rail?

can I ask what sort of injectors your going to be using? and if they require modification of the fuel rail?

pretty sure these ones fit straight into the standard fuel rail
all that is needed is to modify the plug or swap it over

No modification to the fuel rail as such, some 5.5 mm spacers are needed and do fit without problem otherwise injector will fit right in with a plug change.

I am more than happy to supply you a set of injectors, will provide all the mod parts to you as a complete package if you like. Did quite a bit of research on this one and in time I reckon I might try the other option I hinted at earlier. At this point in time all the people who buy kits straight up with get these awesome 470cc injectors, might go to something smaller later to help manage cost

I'm not sure that I subscribe to percentage loss vs set figure needed to turn the wheels.

I know this has been done to death on this forum, but it's an Engineering fact that it's a percentage loss.
There is no discussion.

-Dan

I know this has been done to death on this forum, but it's an Engineering fact that it's a percentage loss.
There is no discussion.

-Dan
Not quite there mate.

The percentage loss isnt constant, and this is where most people seem to easily get confused.

Drivetrain loss has a parabola type shape to it, theres a fixed portion which includes such things as turning the hubs, wheels, pushing the clutch etc etc. These items take the same power to move, regardless of if ur running 50fwkw, or 500fwkw

Then theres the percentage part, which increases in loss as you increase power. Increased power brings in other inefficiences, such as heat, sound etc

Well I think thats probably covered the losses issue if we can leave it at that. I will figure out what it is and work around that


Instant Magna cred is coming very soon, painting, acid washing and a few more details then its in the box and AWAY MONDAY! :)

I am more than happy to supply you a set of injectors, will provide all the mod parts to you as a complete package if you like. Did quite a bit of research on this one and in time I reckon I might try the other option I hinted at earlier. At this point in time all the people who buy kits straight up with get these awesome 470cc injectors, might go to something smaller later to help manage cost



how much would this affect the back pocket???

these injectors sound like good sense to me. They will barely raise a sweat leaving plenty of up-scalability. Also would be a whole lot cheaper than the next size down 390cc mitsubishi units.

The injectors will always be in the SC kit for those going that direction

PM me directly for injector kit pricing for your ride

Few last minute delays again as unit was returned to engineer.

A couple of changes have made it a better item than ever before, 98% packed, just some final painting and its OUT THE DOOR

:D

Few last minute delays again as unit was returned to engineer.

A couple of changes have made it a better item than ever before, 98% packed, just some final painting and its OUT THE DOOR

:D

Great to hear... whats the ETA once EZBOY Receives the kit?

EZBOY has a few exams to knock over before he can get around to this little piece of work.

Give it a couple of weeks from now I reckon.

The item is now on tpt

*** IT HAS ARRIVED ***

I have had a quick rummage thru the parcels and that's about it. Oh and I carried the SC around for a little while - just to brag and look cool. :roll:

There has been a delivery of parts never before seen in Newcastle :shock:

you mean something shiney or something expensive?

There has been a delivery of parts never before seen in Newcastle :shock:

Don't you mean world first? Sure pomejo had a good stab it a few years back but the system never ran - so he told me.

you mean something shiney or something expensive?

Cant it be both? :D

Could be both shinier and more expensive :D if you take the fully polished option :D :D but for now we are starting out and this shall do just fine

shotgunnnnnnnnnnnnnnn coming around to have a drool! :cool:

Here are some goodies we brought into stock today for Magna Supercharger kits

2 fully optioned ProSequential piggback computers, in the future we will be stripping them back to all the tuning but only have one extra output (water injection) rather than several, this is to bring cost back a bit.

These are $990 each and contain V5.19 software, wiring looms, inbuilt 22psi MAP sensor and much much more.

See image!

only one output, what about if i wanna run a 150hp shot of giggle gas as well :badgrin: :badgrin:

Fordfella

Right at this moment I have in stock 2 ProSequential management units with every possible option (all output options), ready when you are :D

This next 2 kits get all the fruit on the management side of things, after that I bring the output extra's back to just one unless someone wants more in which case it is an optionable extra for a cost (unknown)

I have had quite some enquiry on the 470cc injectors, figured a picture might help. Pic shows the similarity in length to stock.

If anyone needs a set of these bad boys let me know and we will get it sorted for you, there is no way you will max these out. I haven't even figured how much HP they would support in a V6 3.5 but it will be a LOT :) Without even thinking they would support 500+hp. We get 400hp out of 340cc in Ecotec with some to spare so 470cc should be enough for ........... whatever you like :)

I guess these would work with the Sprintex set up as well. The larger injectors coupled with water injection should allow Sprintex guys to run the 10psi pulley without issues. How much for a set of 6 injectors?

I guess these would work with the Sprintex set up as well. The larger injectors coupled with water injection should allow Sprintex guys to run the 10psi pulley without issues. How much for a set of 6 injectors?

probably not TZABOZY had a 10psi pulley and he cooked his pistons resonably quick. forgies the CP's are resonably cheap from the states (PM wook for a price) and depending on what the bore is like its not to much of a difficult job to do, but while you are there with the motor ripped apart, might as well put some ARP bolts in for a bit of extra security.

probably not TZABOZY had a 10psi pulley and he cooked his pistons resonably quick. forgies the CP's are resonably cheap from the states (PM wook for a price) and depending on what the bore is like its not to much of a difficult job to do, but while you are there with the motor ripped apart, might as well put some ARP bolts in for a bit of extra security.

afraid i have to agree.

Stock 6G74 pistons simply will not handle the 10psi supercharger with any degree of reliability whether i/c, water inj or not. Stock pistons will even cave in at 7psi if you start going too agressive on the timing and a/f ratios.

It is possible to coax 200kw+ at the wheels out of a supercharged 6G74 on stock internals but it will be a time bomb.

Not a law, but well supported by the observations from those of us who have (repeatedly) knocked holes in their pistons.

afraid i have to agree.

Stock 6G74 pistons simply will not handle the 10psi supercharger with any degree of reliability whether i/c, water inj or not. Stock pistons will even cave in at 7psi if you start going too agressive on the timing and a/f ratios.

It is possible to coax 200kw+ at the wheels out of a supercharged 6G74 on stock internals but it will be a time bomb.

Not a law, but well supported by the observations from those of us who have (repeatedly) knocked holes in their pistons.

Strongly disagree.

TT 10:1 DOHC's running 12psi with the right tune no worries.

You always engineer for the worst situation mechanisms will be under and you tuners have failed to do so.

Strongly disagree.

TT 10:1 DOHC's running 12psi with the right tune no worries.



Are you referring to the DOHC TT on a 6G72. If so, those pistons are much stronger than the pieces of tin that masquerade for pistons in a standard 6G74.

Strongly disagree.

TT 10:1 DOHC's running 12psi with the right tune no worries.

You always engineer for the worst situation mechanisms will be under and you tuners have failed to do so.

We are talking 3rd gen here not in regards to the 6g74.

We get this kind of rot everytime we launch a kit into a new market that has previously run all sorts of dodgy stuff leading to untimely engine failure.

The real truth will be known once we have had a crack at it, no heresay, no guesses, no 7th injectors ........ just straight up quality and good tuning with careful increases in boost. Have worked with other so called flimsy engines with total success.

For those wanting to improve the reliability of their boosted engines you should be seriously considering our injector upgrade and the ProSequential to drive them properly.

As of today our injector upgrade just got easier, the injectors are now made to fit without rail spacers. You simply fit them, change the plugs and you are done, plenty of clearance for those with Sprintex blowers ie no height change now. Don't risk your engines any further!

afraid i have to agree.

Stock 6G74 pistons simply will not handle the 10psi supercharger with any degree of reliability whether i/c, water inj or not. Stock pistons will even cave in at 7psi if you start going too agressive on the timing and a/f ratios.

It is possible to coax 200kw+ at the wheels out of a supercharged 6G74 on stock internals but it will be a time bomb.

Not a law, but well supported by the observations from those of us who have (repeatedly) knocked holes in their pistons.

I've clicked over 12,000km since my supercharger install...
over 200kw and still going strong... its all amatter of build quality and a good tune thats all..

I've clicked over 12,000km since my supercharger install...
over 200kw and still going strong... its all amatter of build quality and a good tune thats all..

Your only running 7psi though, just that your SC install is a lot more effective/efficent then sprintex and also IC'ed so more timing can be used.

magna00

What management are you using, what boost pressure, what current power do you have and what injector/fuelling arrangement do you have?

magna00

What management are you using, what boost pressure, what current power do you have and what injector/fuelling arrangement do you have?

Sprintex, 7psi, stock injectors and the ghetto 7th injector :nuts: made 162kw with the final tune on Tuesday with an AFR of 11.9-12.1 across the board.

The intercooling is the part that makes a significant difference, the magna that has the centrifugal supercharger is intercooled. That's the major strength of that kit. But I can guarantee that if the donk is taken much further on the power quest irrespective of intercooling or not, it will fail if it is running stock pistons.

Mine is not yet intercooled but under cool ambient air temps it is still a challenge to hold off pinging when being tuned on the dyno. And I'm running a Haltech E11, larger injectors, bigger pump and custom dual fuel delivery system. '

Don't get me wrong, I think these new injector kits being offered are a great bit of gear and will help overcome fuelling issues. N/A modifiers will also benefit massively here. But I don't for a second believe that merely whacking a better fuel delivery system and management onto a sprintexed magna will solve the reliability issue.

Recommendation for those wanting boost: Get the intercooled centrifugal kit, unless you want to spend mega bucks re-engineering the sprintex kit just for the sake of having a whipple type supercharger. And put some decent pistons in.

Due to uneven fuel distribution of 7th injector type setups you are limited to detonation occurring in the leanest cylinder. I believe you are still ~20wkw away from what you could be achieving with a decent fuel system and ignition timing control! I will stand by that.

It seems everyone here thinks Sprintex is a hot mutha under boost, yeah it produces some heat but they are actually quite efficient for those who don't know better and are in no way a relation to an Eaton type blower when efficiency numbers are on the table. Are the air intakes getting ambient temp air or ??

Someone with a Sprintex may go down this road one day and find themselves pleasantly suprised ......... or even more than that.

Due to uneven fuel distribution of 7th injector type setups you are limited to detonation occurring in the leanest cylinder. I believe you are still ~20wkw away from what you could be achieving with a decent fuel system and ignition timing control! I will stand by that.

It seems everyone here thinks Sprintex is a hot mutha under boost, yeah it produces some heat but they are actually quite efficient for those who don't know better and are in no way a relation to an Eaton type blower when efficiency numbers are on the table. Are the air intakes getting ambient temp air or ??

Someone with a Sprintex may go down this road one day and find themselves pleasantly suprised ......... or even more than that.

I do agree with the 7th Injector system, it was a cost cutting measure pure and simple, and as for heat, yeah they do get hot but nowhere near the sort of heat ive seen a lot of factory turbocharged cars get to with the shrouding etc, the way that sprintex keep it all under control and as a safeguard it will pull timing when it gets too hot to prevent detonation.

My plan/thinking is get the larger injectors, run the 7th injector at minimum/downsize it so its a cooling device only and run a rpm dependant WI of sorts, have that all tuned in on its own individual map and have my current tune, (modified to suit the new injectors of course) as a 2nd map, wired in so when the low water light comes on for the WI it automatically switches over incase it runs out of water.

My kit is running the factory intake and snorkel atm purely for noise reasons but i havent removed that rubber strip under the bonnet yet. Also once Ian gets his blower on and tuned and setup ill have no doubt that ill be bugging him for a spin it in so i can get a good comparison on what they are like (i live down the road from him). But yeah im not after huge numbers, reliability and the overall package is what im looking at. If i wanted big numbers i would of purchased a F6.

Someone with a Sprintex may go down this road one day and find themselves pleasantly suprised ......... or even more than that.

I did, it makes a huge difference.

The seventh was taken out and replaced with a tiny 200cc unit just for a little bit of intake cooling and "sealing" (still don't know what that means). I have six 390cc injectors fed by a dual fuel delivery and passing through a Malpasi FPR, rather than the traditional circuit design that can starve one bank. Everything is managed by a Haltech E11 which means lots of control everywhere. There's more advance at lower rpm with this set up whereas the piggyback system ran a factory map up to a certain point.

The engine now delivers heaps more torque from lower down in the rpm range. It has taken more than a second off my acceleration times compared with the original sprintex configuration. Not bad considering I'm only running 8.8:1 C/R. There's at least another 50kw to be had when the i/c and 10psi pulley goes on.

Yep, you're right about the seventh injector limiting the potential of the engine.

replaced with a tiny 200cc unit just for a little bit of intake cooling and "sealing" (still don't know what that means). .

There is some clearance within the supercharger, between the rotors... that lets air bypass. With the fuel befor the rotors, it basically wets the rotors and takes up some of this clearance, resulting in more boost and less heat from the air being forced between the rotors.

so i can get a good comparison
youll be gettin a "good comparison" between a awd and a fwd?? :confused:

Due to uneven fuel distribution of 7th injector type setups you are limited to detonation occurring in the leanest cylinder. I believe you are still ~20wkw away from what you could be achieving with a decent fuel system and ignition timing control! I will stand by that.


I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion (not having a go at you, just interested in sharing some ideas). Have you had the oppertunity to closely examine a Sprintex setup and monitor AFRs for individual cylinders, or are you speculating?

Personally, at the moment I'm still not convinced there really is a significant problem with cylinder distribution. The 7th injector is well placed in the intake tract, and the fuel should be well mixed with the intake air by the time the mixture has gone through the blower.

However, like most cheaply built motors, there is no doubt a degree of inherent inconsistency between the cylinders -e.g a member on here found there was a difference in volume between combustion chambers for different cylinders- from memory the difference was 3cc.

I definantely agree having a relatively large 7th injector and retaining the factory injectors is purely a cost-cutting measure, but I think at the standard boost level of 7psi the fueling system does the job fine (although IMO an aftermarket fuel pump is a must). What's wrong with the SMT6's method of ignition control? How does yours differ?

I agree the Sprintex kit in stock form definantely underdelivers in terms of potential performance numbers, but I believe this underachievent is in the tunes Sprintex uses, not the hardware. The aim of their kits was to provide a setup that is very reliable (which it is if you dont mess about with it in the wrong way), and meets emission ADRs, can tolerate bad fuel etc.

By the way I reserve judgement until i see some evidence, but I am expecting your kits to be overall better than the Sprintex kit in everyway (except in how it sounds, subjective of course). All I'm saying is I don't agree with what you and many have been saying about the 7th injector etc - I think the Sprintex kit is a good bit of hardware and has plenty of potential, just its held back by lack of intercooling and consequent "safe" tune off the shelf. Also the blown motors we've had here from incorrect tuneing (not the fault of the owners) hasn't done it's reputation any favours.

No doubt you have learnt from Sprintex's shortcomings, and will deliver a better product "out of the box" :)

In terms of numbers, TZABOY on these forums has run a 12.9@110mph with the Sprintex setup@10psi - still unintercooled, but no doubt with a better performing tune than the one that comes from Sprintex. If your kits can match this or get close to it "out of the box" or with minimal mods, IMO your product is a great success/value and you will have plenty of happy customers.

What will you offer in terms of upgradability for your kits, for those who end up wanting moreafter they inevitably get bored and want even more power? How much boost can your centrifigual unit safely run with just changing pulleys? What about the intercooler setup? Will that need replacing at higher levels? My point is upgradability of your kits will also be an important issue for many of your customers, offering better/cheaper upgradability than the Sprintex unit would definantely work in your favour.

In terms of numbers, TZABOY on these forums has run a 12.9@110mph with the Sprintex setup@10psi - still unintercooled, but no doubt with a better performing tune than the one that comes from Sprintex. If your kits can match this or get close to it "out of the box", IMO your product is a great success/value and you will have plenty of happy customers.


With forged slugs too.

The bigger the bang the bigger the load on the pistons sure, rod load doesn't increase much at all, it's biggest stress is the exhaust stroke when the valves are open and there's no resistance (gas pressure) to the rod in flight - tensile failure. The pistons are better than many oem one's I've seen.

Remember that there are shortcomings with forged pistons too, increased piston clearance increases wear, noisy warm up as the pistons slop around in the bores.

Chech your proposed forged item with great care before throwing money at it. Metalurgy is improving constantly and closer tolerances are being achieved by some manufacturers. Check ring land spacing and location to suit your requirements. Manufacturers that I know of who are currently offering 6g74 forged slugs are Wiseco, Ross, CP, & Specialised Piston Services (VIC). I think Tweakit can obtain CPs as their nominated Australia agent has yet to reply to my badgering.

youll be gettin a "good comparison" between a awd and a fwd?? :confused:
Yeah true, but the power delievery will be around the same, aka i know with mine its a tad dog like until you hit the 2k mark then just takes off, and whether the Raptor kit will be different to that or more peaky or whatnot, time will tell in this case.

as a rule of thumb you want the lowest silicon content forge pistons you can get, as these have the lowest expansion properties, thus tighter clearances can be run and the dreaded piston slap on warm up of forged piston engines of old can be avoided

i have sourced cp pistons from america for US$875 + freight, this company will post to australia, unlike tearstone.

also this company does not charge more fr custom ratios like other suppliers i have found.

anyone that wants info can pm me.

Chisholm

The 7th injector may as well be a carburettor that adds additional fuel, that method of fuel delivery (to any given cylinder) is and always has been imprecise as no matter what you do some cylinders will be favoured with a greater portion of the mix than others, so my comments on 7th injector fuel distribution stand. As for the SMT and ignition control I seriously doubt there is much different in ignition control but I gather the SMT is not controlling the 6 injectors as the ProSequential can along with several other outputs which can control power enhancing functions. From what I have seen around there is very little support for SMT stuff by tuners.

I already know the + points of a Sprintex and don't disagree, see previous post/s.

I am more than sure our product will be a success whether or not it gains 110mph (at 10psi) over the quartermile, it will be simple to fit, easy to tune, no additional maintainence and not lunch the engine if it fails. It is priced reasonably as it can be since it is very expensive to manufacture and there isn't any other ready to go option anyway. Rebuild for the blower is only $280 and we have just had some Raptor Vs in for their 100 000km service.

Upgrades, sure there are some, for those wanting more than 12 psi maybe they are out of luck but its more than enough for any stock engine and even those who add some internal upgrades will still get a decent push from 12psi. Its just a pulley change and a retune. When the intercooler kits come along they will be useful for all the power the blower will support on a Magna engine. We do have some Holdens on 15psi boost but not recommended, however those who are made aware of the possible consquences think the risks are worth it :D

We are making supercharging fun, easy, reliable and for a reasonable cost for all Magna owners. Street cred that bolts right on in a few hours. The good drivers will be fast .......... everyone else will be where ever their ability get them to

Chisholm

The 7th injector may as well be a carburettor that adds additional fuel, that method of fuel delivery (to any given cylinder) is and always has been imprecise as no matter what you do some cylinders will be favoured with a greater portion of the mix than others, so my comments on 7th injector fuel distribution stand.

As for the SMT and ignition control I seriously doubt there is much different in ignition control but I gather the SMT is not controlling the 6 injectors as the ProSequential can along with several other outputs which can control power enhancing functions. From what I have seen around there is very little support for SMT stuff by tuners.



Single-point injection has worked fine on numerous cars in the past. IMO the Sprintex 7th injector is better than single point injection because it has the blower adding a huge amount of turbulence to the intake air. But anyway, we will probably just have to agree to disagree, and I do see where you are coming from. I guess there will probably never be any proof one way or the next.

Yep, the way the SMT6 is wired by Sprintex, it doesn't control the 6 factory cylinders, and only the 7th injector. This is easily solved however. You are right about the lack of support for SMT6s, this is their main downfall. Plus the number of tuners than can edit the Sprintex tune rather than wiping it clean are even more scarce (proably only 1 in each state). Although in my case their is a tuner in Sydney who's very experienced with the Sprintex setup and SMT6, so that's lucky there. Otherwise I would definantely ditch the SMT6.

By the way, have you considered offering Water/meth kits as well? Even with mechanical intercooling, there are still nice gains to be had from water/meth. The combination of both mechanical and chemical intercooling can give great results from relatively low boost levels.

Will be very interested to see how your kits pan out, always good to see more products available in a market that's rather lacking in off-the-shelf support/choice.

Chisholm

Our FIRST Lancer SC kits were extra injector fuelled, max power 118wkw. We then went to full injector upgrade and gained another 18kw right away on the little 1.8l engine with no change in AFR. That was end of supplementary fuelling for us. We used the Microtech supplementary fuelling computer.

That is some of the experience I have had

Tim: Got some pics of the SC, want them posted?

(note the time of my post - my car time is from midnight to 2am or something like that :doubt: - pity 'caust I've some die-grinding to do)

nice pic in your avatar EZ lol

offer still stands if you need any help fitting it.

EZ what's going on bro .......... Call me :)

Our FIRST Lancer SC kits were extra injector fuelled, max power 118wkw. We then went to full injector upgrade and gained another 18kw right away on the little 1.8l engine with no change in AFR. That was end of supplementary fuelling for us. We used the Microtech supplementary fuelling computer.



This is interesting, where did the extra 18wkw come from? You found you were able to advance ignition timing substantially without detonation? Were there any other variables that were changed?

What kind of setup was it? was the extra injector located before or after the blower? (if i was a centrifugal unit then I'm guessing after?) Any other relevent info on the setup and where the improvement came from?

Only 2 hours to read the whole thread. Any more news on the installer in SA?

Dummy install today interrupted by that big fireball in the sky sprinting below the horizon :doubt:

Heres some porn to keep everyone hot, and no it's not actually bolted in - just resting in space close enough to satisfy my curiosity :D

nice pic in your avatar EZ

offer still stands if you need any help fitting it.

Wont be able to get near my car for all the 'helpers' lol All these willing volunteers think that once it's installed we'll just hop in and go for a spin - now thats a " :bowrofl: ". Gotta somehow get it to the dyno for tuning. :coffee:

It blows through the existing throttle body doesn't it?

If so, could it plausibly be mounted in parallel to a sprintex?

That would save me the trouble of exhaust plumbing and cutting that I would have to do to fit a blow through turbo.

It blows through the existing throttle body doesn't it?

If so, could it plausibly be mounted in parallel to a sprintex?

That would save me the trouble of exhaust plumbing and cutting that I would have to do to fit a blow through turbo.

Im sorry, :rubseyes: are you talking about mounting 2 superchargers? :shock:

Wont be able to get near my car for all the 'helpers' lol All these willing volunteers think that once it's installed we'll just hop in and go for a spin - now thats a " :bowrofl: ". Gotta somehow get it to the dyno for tuning. :coffee:

Eh, i know what its like once you have something extremely awesome getting fitted to the car, cant get out of it for a few weeks aka the Honeymoon Period, but yeah the most i can help you with is probably a car trailer to tow the weapon over to heatherbrae, or you just dont fit the new belt and piping and just have it sitting there and baby it over to there.

Im sorry, :rubseyes: are you talking about mounting 2 superchargers? :shock:

Yeah he is, interesting idea imho.

Im sorry, :rubseyes: are you talking about mounting 2 superchargers? :shock:

Precisely. The positive displacement sprintex would provide lower rpm urge and the centrifugal one could ease a little more air in beyond 5000 rpm when the efficiency of the sprintex unit starts to fall off. It would be much easier to install than a turbo/sc arrangement mainly due to the space constraints.

Precisely. The positive displacement sprintex would provide lower rpm urge and the centrifugal one could ease a little more air in beyond 5000 rpm when the efficiency of the sprintex unit starts to fall off. It would be much easier to install than a turbo/sc arrangement mainly due to the space constraints.

Would work fine, much more efficient than using a turbo. You would build more boost thru the Sprintex unit too. Tim and I have discussed twin centrifugals in series and parallel. It's all goodnessly good..

Would work fine, much more efficient than using a turbo. You would build more boost thru the Sprintex unit too. Tim and I have discussed twin centrifugals in series and parallel. It's all goodnessly good..

i think i just messed myself :redface:

Oi

I go away from the office for a few days and dang the forum lights up like a bushfire :) all good see.

The next trial session should provide some serious eye candy ............. yes sir!

good to see its starting to go together for you EZ looking forward to seeing it fitted

It blows through the existing throttle body doesn't it?

If so, could it plausibly be mounted in parallel to a sprintex?

That would save me the trouble of exhaust plumbing and cutting that I would have to do to fit a blow through turbo.
You might have issues finding a belt big enough to run both the sprintex and the raptor charger at the same time, plus you would loose a lot of power driving 2 chargers.

I'd go a big single turbo over the gearbox as there is enough room there, or throw on your mate dave's TT setup. You'll either have to run low boost on your turbo or low boost on your s/c as the boost multiples when you twin charge :cool:

Pretty sure I could find a belt to make it happen if you got the coin to be installing a system like this in the first instance :D

Hi All,

The dark cloud is back over my family life so I have to return the uninstalled Raptor Kit to Raptor. So everyone is set straight on the matter; it came down to choosing between pursuing my car's development VS having a family with 2x young girls at home each day when I come home. As much as I have been looking forward to this being strapped onto my car I must hand the reigns to someone better placed than I am.

I am humbled to have been involved with the project and look forward to prowling around on AMC in the wee-hours to check on the kits progress.

The pics I posted earlier were taken after approx 15mins of spanner time. The unit was ready to drop straight in-place.

If you wanna be part of history, PM Tradewind and get this monster onto your motor!

All the Best.

P.S. I will be continuing with the manifold project at least to complete the first run.

Sorry to hear that, no doubt we would all have benefitted from your experiences in this situation but family comes first and you do what you need to do. Don't feel like you've let us down at all either, your continuing efforts have helped to raise the bar for magna modders Australia wide showing the rest of them what can be done to our humble rides.

Well I can report there are a couple of movements underway already, not sure which one/s will mature but its looking ok.

If there is anyone else out there who wants to put forward some plans/ideas to be involved themselves .......... PM me.

As for Ian, well he certainly has done all that could possibly be done under the developing circumstances ........... and for that I am grateful also

Stay tuned

We seem to have a taker 98% there now, gave him a small cooling off period to be sure, final answer tonight and then to phase 2 :D here we go again :D

:badgrin:

The only thing i wanna be able to do with my car is to beat down my brothers stock xr6 turbo.
i think he was cranking about 250kw at the engine. i cant have a younger brother having a faster car then me.

thinking i might take out a personal loan for this sucker, hmm $10k should do it. $7 for the charger, $1500 for brakes, and the rest for the streetfighter and exhaust.

That XRT can be disposed of I think, with say 250rwkw he will be quick but they are heavy cars. The Magna with boost and a few good parts will make less power but with less weight the contest will probably scew in favour of the revvy V6 ........ go the Magna

The only thing i wanna be able to do with my car is to beat down my brothers stock xr6 turbo.
i think he was cranking about 250kw at the engine. i cant have a younger brother having a faster car then me.

thinking i might take out a personal loan for this sucker, hmm $10k should do it. $7 for the charger, $1500 for brakes, and the rest for the streetfighter and exhaust.
Mate i was chopping XR6T's when my ralliart was still N/A, with boost i chop the F6 Typhoon's so with some boost you will own your brother (until he gets a flash tune, injectors etc then its game over)

Mate i was chopping XR6T's when my ralliart was still N/A, with boost i chop the F6 Typhoon's so with some boost you will own your brother (until he gets a flash tune, injectors etc then its game over)

lucky for me my brother is a dumbass and doesn't even know what the turbo looks like.
so i don't think i have to worry about him even getting a tune..well not for a while anyway.

Well the kit is now with Stacky ......... think I got that right, he will be working on this thing next week.

Will keep you posted, maybe Stacky has a few words about what is happening .........

Well the kit is now with Stacky ......... think I got that right, he will be working on this thing next week.

Will keep you posted, maybe Stacky has a few words about what is happening .........
Well stacky is two people, my brother Brendon and me(weston). Basicly couldn't be bothered signing in different ones all the time:badgrin: anyway the raptor is going on my car which is a 01 TJ sports. Current mods are pacemakers, ralliart cams, high throttle body, heavy duty clutch and dual exhausts which are pretty much for looks. I have so far installed the main drive shaft now just have to find the right length belt. Here's a few pics(just realised how dirty my engine bay is!)

Lookin good. :D

Well stacky is two people, my brother Brendon and me(weston). Basicly couldn't be bothered signing in different ones all the time:badgrin: anyway the raptor is going on my car which is a 01 TJ sports. Current mods are pacemakers, ralliart cams, high throttle body, heavy duty clutch and dual exhausts which are pretty much for looks. I have so far installed the main drive shaft now just have to find the right length belt. Here's a few pics(just realised how dirty my engine bay is!)


What was the influence for doing this :D

Go Stackys. :cool:

What was the influence for doing this :D
Just thought you'd want someone to race you at willowbank like old timeslol I never did beat your 14.4 though, ran a 14.54 last time from memory so will interested to see how fast i can get with this baby:cool:

Well I am mighty pleased its all bolted on firmly and just fitting up great, Wes has moved the alternator loom bracket a fraction and also powersteer hose a fraction but otherwise its on there and looking just great.

For those not in the know we are talking the farm boys here and they are demonstrating this is not a hard thing, mind you farm lads are pretty innovative so don't be fooled :D

The Stacky's are making up their own pipework, wiring in the ProSequential, sourcing a drivebelt and sorting any small issues overlooked or not attended to by us not having a car at hand. So far very good progress.

Ian would be pleased as well and happy to see this going forward, for the benefit all the Magna community!


POWER ON :D

Well I am mighty pleased its all bolted on firmly and just fitting up great, Wes has moved the alternator loom bracket a fraction and also powersteer hose a fraction but otherwise its on there and looking just great.

For those not in the know we are talking the farm boys here and they are demonstrating this is not a hard thing, mind you farm lads are pretty innovative so don't be fooled :D

The Stacky's are making up their own pipework, wiring in the ProSequential, sourcing a drivebelt and sorting any small issues overlooked or not attended to by us not having a car at hand. So far very good progress.

Ian would be pleased as well and happy to see this going forward, for the benefit all the Magna community!


POWER ON :D

Hey Tim, any news on the "other" item that you have acquired recently? or is it going to be restricted to raptor S/C kits only?

Mate

Seriously, is there anything YOU DON'T KNOW :D

No, it will not be restricted to Raptor SC kits, it will simply be added to the product lineup for Magna's.

Mate

Seriously, is there anything YOU DON'T KNOW :D

No, it will not be restricted to Raptor SC kits, it will simply be added to the product lineup for Magna's.

I have my ear to everything i tells ya, everything!

That and you beat me to the punch on acquiring said item as i wanted to continue the legacy.

haha u guys make it kinda obvious hey..

great to see raptor taking on such a task!

ya'll know how much i appreciate Tim's ambition for developing options for us magna modders...

haha u guys make it kinda obvious hey..

great to see raptor taking on such a task!

ya'll know how much i appreciate Tim's ambition for developing options for us magna modders...

its a top secret secret! :D

i happened to find out from a friend of a friend whos a relative of a friend :badgrin:

its a top secret secret! :D

i happened to find out from a friend of a friend whos a relative of a friend :badgrin:

and happen to work it out from readin ur post :bowrofl:

I am honoured indeed and being in the "game" so to speak this should be something that won't stress us too much. The way things are going we should have quite a comprehensive product lineup for Magnas before i am finished :)

Anyhow, back on track with Supercharging we will get onto that other topic pretty soon on another thread :)

hey can anyone tell me if someone on amc still sell k+n pod filters and the backing plate thing we need for magna's?? thanks

hey can anyone tell me if someone on amc still sell k+n pod filters and the backing plate thing we need for magna's?? thanks

yeah philcom rally should still sell them
send them an email

hey can anyone tell me if someone on amc still sell k+n pod filters and the backing plate thing we need for magna's?? thanks

Or the part no is KN99-1500 from memory. Anyone auto shop can get em

hey can anyone tell me if someone on amc still sell k+n pod filters and the backing plate thing we need for magna's?? thanks

PM Megatron, he's always got a few air filters lying around

PM Megatron, he's always got a few air filters lying around

he might even do u a good deal on the one he ran over too :bowrofl:

tell me though, why will you need the oval pod with this set up?

he might even do u a good deal on the one he ran over too :bowrofl:

tell me though, why will you need the oval pod with this set up?
because the map senser is on the suction side of the blower, i thought it was to be in between the blower and thottle body. got a belt today but was to short so back for another one tomorow hopefuly :)

Stacky won't be needing the pod now, change of plans and everything is falling into place.

A lot of small things coming to light, the washer bottle is a happy fit with everthing else, so all the stuff in that area is bolting right back into place with NO ISSUES :D

Stacky is ordering the belt tomorrow, recieving his ECU tomorrow and we are having that set of injectors machined to be a direct bolt in, those should be back with him by the end of the week.

Progress running quick


We don't expect to break all records straight up but Raptor V is a great performing charger and will outperform all other brands up to 10psi, however that remains to be seen in this application.

Its only $3400 for the charger and drive assembly

Its $5500 for full kit

Still deciding on how the high level kit should be spec'd. We are trialling out Raptor VLC (Liquid Cooled) and so far the results indicate an intercooler wouldn't yield much more of an benefit, still some work to do and the watercooling mod is retrofitable to any existing Raptor V. It may be 6 months or more before we release it as a line model. In the meantime those with more to spend can have the option, its a lot of hand work (hrs) at the moment but having a constant charger temp of 28C .......... WHAT ONLY 28c???? Yep thats right, try sticking your hand on any blower after driving around a while (dont you will burn your self almost) and you will know what this means. Nothing else will be able to compete against this new product in any Hp per psi shootout!

Stacky won't be needing the pod now, change of plans and everything is falling into place.

A lot of small things coming to light, the washer bottle is a happy fit with everthing else, so all the stuff in that area is bolting right back into place with NO ISSUES :D

Stacky is ordering the belt tomorrow, recieving his ECU tomorrow and we are having that set of injectors machined to be a direct bolt in, those should be back with him by the end of the week.

Progress running quick


We don't expect to break all records straight up but Raptor V is a great performing charger and will outperform all other brands up to 10psi, however that remains to be seen in this application.

Its only $3400 for the charger and drive assembly

Its $5500 for full kit

Still deciding on how the high level kit should be spec'd. We are trialling out Raptor VLC (Liquid Cooled) and so far the results indicate an intercooler wouldn't yield much more of an benefit, still some work to do and the watercooling mod is retrofitable to any existing Raptor V. It may be 6 months or more before we release it as a line model. In the meantime those with more to spend can have the option, its a lot of hand work (hrs) at the moment but having a constant charger temp of 28C .......... WHAT ONLY 28c???? Yep thats right, try sticking your hand on any blower after driving around a while (dont you will burn your self almost) and you will know what this means. Nothing else will be able to compete against this new product in any Hp per psi shootout!

hmmm thats a big call buddy.... but i can't wait to see this kit up and running

looking forward to seeing this kit up and running :cool:

Here's a pic of all covers in place:cool:

damn man just do a quick clean of ur engine bay atleast!!!

knock it off its not like we live on a bitumen road:P

"Pic with cover"

I want it back now :rant: I'll have to put some $ aside from my business sale on the quiet from the mrs, once she gets her new car - that way she wont need to drive mine and wont notice the extra 150hp :D

After being able to hold and play briefly with this system I am left with a real feeling of 'something special' going to happen for sure. There are just so many options for a centrifugal SC. Intercooling, multiple TBs, larger TBs, moved TBs, FMIC, Water to Air, over gearing, it's just all really cool. Exciting stuff, keep us updated Weston!

Well done guys, I wasn't expecting you to attack the install so quickly after receiving it.

Weston bud

That would have been a magnificent pic with a decent camera and clean engine bay, its just going to look so right, I am getting a HUGE smile here, coming together so well.

Just hope it hasn't go TOO much power for the Magna

Just hope it hasn't go TOO much power for the Magna :nuts: :gtfo: 400hp thru the front with proper suspension would be just fine in a straight line. 600hp thru all 4 ;)

The Magna sports sticker on engine cover will have a very real meaning quite soon :badgrin:

update: chip and silicon hose came in the mail today, pipe work getting done in the next few days... and no it hasn't had a wash yetlol but we thought getting it all bolted up was more important :D

we thought getting it all bolted up was more important


I mean't to add that after yesterdays wash comment also, the essential thing is the item is actually on there and the wash can come later

Go Stacky GO

ok

We have a hold up of the install, the 3.5 deck height has grabbed us causing belt misalignment. This little number has been suspect for a while and until it went on a 3.5 we were to never know.

Anyhow Stacky is checking as to whether he can alter it and level up the shaft again


More coming soon :D

ok

We have a hold up of the install, the 3.5 deck height has grabbed us causing belt misalignment. This little number has been suspect for a while and until it went on a 3.5 we were to never know.

Anyhow Stacky is checking as to whether he can alter it and level up the shaft again


More coming soon :D

Where is it misaligned at? a spacer might be the answer to your troubles

The deck height is different (known fact) but until we bolted it to engine then we could never know where the catch might be.

Anyhow the actual number of adjustment we need is 20mm, Stacky is currently on the job, the one mount is very easy to relocate, the other will need a little more consideration.

Issue is only on the drivers side end, other end all good since we had that part actually on Biggys car but not the other end.

Anyhow we have a definite fit for the 3.0 just a small change and the next 3.5 will be perfect.

ah well nothing a few hrs with a grinder and welder wont fix, just wish we wasn't so busy we could spend a day on it and get it done!! just unpacked the chip.... man there is some wires on this thing!!!!:)

i know its some 6 months off, but in less than a month ill be putting my name down for one of these kits. just wondering what a rough estimate on an intercooled set up would be?

As with anything Raptor does, if we are forced and money is on the table ............. an intercooled kit would happen next month rather than 6 months.

We have a new outlet for the Magna SC kits for Nth Brisbane, RDP Motorsport!

I had a long discussion with Lee from RDP yesterday as he was in Mackay tuning the new FG turbo and he mentioned a Magna club in his area or Nth Side was always coming into shop and wanting to know if anything to make Magna's faster. RDP - Redcliffe Dyno and Performance

just wondering what a rough estimate on an intercooled set up would be?


:stoopid:

It will be water to air, no question on that one.

Allow additional $1480 for the cooler kit

nice :) will be in contact soon...

I am organising purchase and stocking of the WTA cores, will have them ready for any IC orders after next week

:)

Can someone with a k&n oval pod please measure its size for me?? i want to double check its going to fit where i'm planning

How'd you go with the ECU install? How's your back from lying in the footwell for a few hrs?? lol

How'd you go with the ECU install? How's your back from lying in the footwell for a few hrs?? lol
Haha its that comfortable job is it! im bout half done everything seems to be going to plan so far. Only thing thats confusing me is the airflow signal wire says to hook onto C9 of moristech n there isn't a wire there to hook into? can u help on this?

Haha its that comfortable job is it! im bout half done everything seems to be going to plan so far. Only thing thats confusing me is the airflow signal wire says to hook onto C9 of moristech n there isn't a wire there to hook into? can u help on this?

Huh? Got a pic of the harness? The sheet you've got shows it pretty straight forward - are you saying the wire(s) needed aren't there?

Huh? Got a pic of the harness? The sheet you've got shows it pretty straight forward - are you saying the wire(s) needed aren't there?
Yeah there's only 6 wires on the C harness which all go to the injecters.

No other spares? Are there colour matches on any A and B plug wires?

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