Well thanks dimi for taking the spotlight :P
Just thought I'd show everyone what I've been wasting all my paychecks on for the last month.
this is the JDM DOHC 3.5L Engine i purchased off KB. He gave me a price i couldn't refuse and the next week it was being shipped down.
The stock 3.5L DOHC is rated at 198Kw With 330ishnm of torque, dead stock :)
So anyway, heres how she looked when i first got it off the pallet
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/Image035.jpg
And i thought, hell if I'm doing to have a crack at getting this in, I'm going to do it right goddam it!
So, Put in some Iridium Spark Plugs, got the rocker covers painted red, while i painted the alternator and air con compressor silver, and all engine brackets and intake plenum hammer finish metallic silver, as well as the sump. Oh and painted the dipstick tube red too, why? BECAUSE I CAN!!
Also did a red stripe on the alternator too, makes it charger faster hehehe
Also (for rice purposes) got me a silicon red hose kit
Then put on a new oil filter, oil pressure switch and rocker cover gaskets.
Still to paint is the block itself which will be hammer finish black.

Still to come are the Top gun MAX 10mm Top of the line ignition leads, haltech E8, extractors, Timing belt, and accessory belts
Working on an engine on a stand is bloody awesome!
Ill also be polishing the fuel rail and probably the water pump aswell
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/3500.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/Enginedone.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/giggity.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/PB100014.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/Woot.jpg

List of parts I've replaced;
Rocker cover gaskets and spark plug seals
Timing belt and both ternsioners
Cam gears replaced with adjustable ones
Spark plugs
Ignition leads
Radiator hoses
Coolant hoses
Fuel line
Fuel filter
Oil filter
Oil pressure switch
Coolant temp sensor
Overflow hose
New radiator cap with built in pressure gauge
New aluminum oil cap
Oil catch can
All bolts and nuts
All hose clamps
Lower intake manifold cleaned
Water pump

Just wanna give a HUGE thanks to the following people for all there help and all that crap.
_X_FiReStoRm_X_
Madmagna
Killbilly
Ebay US LOL
And thanks to the following for being pricks and asking me every single week for 7 months when the engine was going to go in :P;
Micjaiy
Matt (Samurai)

Very nice mate, no light has been taken at all. Good effort. It will be good to see when its finished. :) Good luck. Im sure you will have fun. Im guessing that power figure is at the flywheel?

Very nice mate, no light has been taken at all. Good effort. It will be good to see when its finished. :) Good luck. Im sure you will have fun. Im guessing that power figure is at the flywheel?
Yep flywheel figure. Ill be running a E8 and extractors which will open it up even more. theres so much potential in this engine which is good for later on down the track. Hoping to have this in in 2-3 months MAX.

that looks crazy man

going to be awesome when in!

i want one but the other one now lol

the cam covers look awesome

Engine looks VERY awesome mate, and when this thing goes into your car it's going to a rocket!
Can't wait to see how you go, and i expect a ride in this thing too :P.

Fantastic project mate, gonna keep keep a keen eye out on this one.

Do you know @ what revs is the 198kw made? I don't suppose there's a version for the 3rd gen with the opposite orientation?

Fantastic project mate, gonna keep keep a keen eye out on this one.

Do you know @ what revs is the 198kw made? I don't suppose there's a version that goes straight into a 3rd gen?

Pretty sure the MIVEC 3.5L Is orientated for the 3rd gens. and they make very similar power. shame those engines are about $5000+!

I know it doesnt rev as high as the 3L one, but can be bored out to over 4.1L. (d/w not thinking about it.....)
In the US they are running these on single turbo setups with AWD's and seeing low to mid 12's.

Looks excellent dude. Better than I expected!

I see a hint of Lucifer in the lettering on the rocker covers ;) haha.

You need to get some nice anodised HKS cam gears... Pimp that out, they look like rust to me! I demand perfection SON.

When this goes in, I'm flying down to have a ride in it, you have my word :D

Looks excellent dude. Better than I expected!

I see a hint of Lucifer in the lettering on the rocker covers ;) haha.

You need to get some nice anodised HKS cam gears... Pimp that out, they look like rust to me! I demand perfection SON.

When this goes in, I'm flying down to have a ride in it, you have my word :D

LOL Screw that I'll be driving up :)
Adjustable cam gears approx $1000 From us, maybe later :)

So how long will this engine be sitting in your garage??

EDIT : dont get too involved in the detailing.. the mechanics might scratch it up on ya ;)

Lookin good mate, 2-3 months is too long, you gonna drive the XE till then? :nuts:

Put it in now! lol

P.S You've gotta put TUFFTR somewhere on it, every other custom part of your car has got that!

So how long will this engine be sitting in your garage??

You need to read better

]Hoping to have this in in 2-3 months MAX.
Also going with blue leads to break it up a bit

Micjaiy. I'll be getting the GB sent away before i put this in to make sure its all up to par. I'm toying with the idea about putting the engine and GB in myself as i have access to both a crane and car trailer.
So i can drop it all in, and just have to pay for it to be wired in really.
I'll be ringing up protek performance sooner or later and see if there up to the task of wiring this all in

Wow - that looks really good. And it's actually got balls too. Good luck with the install and tune!!

Better post the same in both threads... (no favoritism lol)

dimi108 & TUFFTR,
Replacement engines look hot!!!
Even though I've moved on from the 2nd gen now, this engine mod is still (and I guess always will be) one mod I wish I'd done to the wagon.

man your doing a great job cant wait to se the finished progect in and running

good luck and keep up the good work

:cool:

This is awesome.

Paul, this frickin rocks!!

Do it before i disappear to NZ!!

The envy set in well before I actually started reading. Very nice engine there mate, next step is making sure you can keep that TR on the ground because with those power figures, it's gonna fly. :)

Mate, that is absolutely awesome.

Looks better than any made over V8 that I've seen.

looks awesome man

i remember the very first day Paul and his nannu started to tinker with the engine as a starry eyed 17yo about to do the stem seals. im amazed at how much u've learnt since then. best of luck sailing into uncharted waters. :thumbsup:

Looking good, want a small job and paint my dohc motor up like that? lol

JET-BLK - Go back to EKW and ask for 2 rocker covers, Cost me $120 to get them painted :)
Alan - I know hey. Actually doing stuff yourself is when you learn most, its good fun too (mum doesnt think so)

AndrewD - Spoilers create downforce not upforce....so might be hard to take off.....:nuts: :D
Knoched - I think thats going a bit far mate.....Ive seen some nicely done V8's...

Got a ****load of hours this week at work so yeah, its all helping it come along.
Thanks for the comments peeps.
I said to myself. I either take off the numberplates or live up to them. I choose the latter

so many people are doing engine conversions, forced induction or rebuilds on these forums now days its fantastic to see!!!

Good luck Mr TR, it'll be worth it once you turn the key.

BTW, are you looking in an LSD for the gearbox? all that power through 1 wheel wont go down too well

so many people are doing engine conversions, forced induction or rebuilds on these forums now days its fantastic to see!!!

Good luck Mr TR, it'll be worth it once you turn the key.

BTW, are you looking in an LSD for the gearbox? all that power through 1 wheel wont go down too well

lol @ Mr TR!
Mmm LSD, Not really man. Never actually looked into it. Would RPW Have something to suit?
I especially want people to put the DOHC motor in more 2nd gens. i think its great for us Fagna owners.
My mate told me to get one, But its easy to tell someone to get a (Possibly?) $1K+ diff when your not working and paying for it

keeping your auto or going manual?

keeping your auto or going manual?
Sif keeping the ****ing homosexual automatic.
Got a manual gearbox in the shed (and all other conversion bits and pieces)

']Sif keeping the ****ing homosexual automatic.
Got a manual gearbox in the shed (and all other conversion bits and pieces)
good man, all the more reason to try and source an LSD. They're awesome and worth the cash if you can make one suit a 2nd gen box. Try looking at the US 3000GT/stealth sites maybe someone over there has already done it

']lol @ Mr TR!
i can call you captain twat if you prefer? :P

good man, all the more reason to try and source an LSD. They're awesome and worth the cash if you can make one suit a 2nd gen box. Try looking at the US 3000GT/stealth sites maybe someone over there has already done it

i can call you captain twat if you prefer? :P

like i said paul.

Quaife as on the site. Cant believe you didnt suss it out. I still have exams.

IMO if you aren't gonna take it out on the track, LSD isn't worth the cost, it's not really something you notice the benefit of daily driving.

But for trackwork LSD's really do transform a FWD car, even with limited power.

puala i might've squeezed the first thread in but your engine is breathtaking
look at that - it's a masterpiece
i love the red valve cover and the other parts that are red too... looks like a brand new engine! :shock:
the red colour of the valve cover looks awesome... the thing i like about it most is it's not a typical red... more of a light crimson and it doesn't look riced - the colour looks fantastic
everything looks so good

keep us updated i hope to see this engine in soon
plus pictures...
and videos...
...and more pictures :D

IMO if you aren't gonna take it out on the track, LSD isn't worth the cost, it's not really something you notice the benefit of daily driving.

But for trackwork LSD's really do transform a FWD car, even with limited power.

it's more the impending destruction of gearboxes we foresee.

puala i might've squeezed the first thread in but your engine is breathtaking
look at that - it's a masterpiece
i love the red valve cover and the other parts that are red too... looks like a brand new engine! :shock:
the red colour of the valve cover looks awesome... the thing i like about it most is it's not a typical red... more of a light crimson and it doesn't look riced - the colour looks fantastic
everything looks so good

keep us updated i hope to see this engine in soon
plus pictures...
and videos...
...and more pictures :D

Thanks mate. beofre i dropped it in i wanted it nice :)
I just took it to the painter and said i want this a nice Fire red. got it back looking like that. Its very close to a Ferrari red. Only looks pinkish cause of the light in some pics. (Got both front and rear done too)

While the engines just sitting there in your car dimi, take off the rocker covers and get them done!

looking great man! thats going to be one tough 2nd gen

youve always had a great lookin car. now its gonna have even more balls to back it up!

nice work and top effort

G

']Thanks mate. beofre i dropped it in i wanted it nice :)
I just took it to the painter and said i want this a nice Fire red. got it back looking like that. Its very close to a Ferrari red. Only looks pinkish cause of the light in some pics. (Got both front and rear done too)

While the engines just sitting there in your car dimi, take off the rocker covers and get them done!

where the hell did you get gaskets from??

thats why i can't pull anything off.

where the hell did you get gaskets from??

thats why i can't pull anything off.

Supercheap....
We have many catolouges available.
Gasket Part number from ACL is JN889. Can get a ton of other gaskets there too. Just ask them to look them up for a 3000GT
Also according to this site
http://wrenchmonkey.com/Webpages/6G74details.html
Most of the 6G74/72 parts are exactly the same. So i just order some of the parts for a 72. They reckon the cams between the 72/74 are exactly the same too. The heads LOOK the same but there could be a difference, i know most of the valve cover /spark plug /timing cover bolt gaskets are the same though. the block is whats different as its 18mm taller

']Supercheap....
We have many catolouges available.
Gasket Part number from ACL is JN889. Can get a ton of other gaskets there too. Just ask them to look them up for a 3000GT

lol repco lol'd politely at getting gto **** for me.

So im guessing you took off the inlet manifold then?? ie putting in iridiums?? Stoked as i believed i had to get them shipped from the US

lol repco lol'd politely at getting gto **** for me.

So im guessing you took off the inlet manifold then?? ie putting in iridiums?? Stoked as i believed i had to get them shipped from the US

Yeah, we'll KB had (Seemed to) of taken off the inlet manifold already as it was only held on by 2 bolts.
Took out the front plug, went to work and matched up the iridium part number. to my suprise we had a listing for the Mitsubishi Debonair:shock: So it 100% confirmed the part.
Think it was BKR5EIX-11? I'll double check that though if you want. Standard plugs were just PPFR5E something's

looking great man! thats going to be one tough 2nd gen

youve always had a great lookin car. now its gonna have even more balls to back it up!

nice work and top effort

G
aye man appreciate your nice comment but you copied and pasted your reply from my thread
at least you could've made it look a tiny bit different? :doubt:

http://www.aussiemagna.com/forums/showthread.php?p=791272#post791272

thats it, im sellin the TE and buying a 2nd Gen and one of those motors. That is HAWT!

']Most of the 6G74/72 parts are exactly the same. So i just order some of the parts for a 72. They reckon the cams between the 72/74 are exactly the same too. The heads LOOK the same but there could be a difference, i know most of the valve cover /spark plug /timing cover bolt gaskets are the same though. the block is whats different as its 18mm taller


Just like the 3rd gen engines then, easy as pie then dude. I cant wait to see what this thing can do.

Just like the 3rd gen engines then, easy as pie then dude. I cant wait to see what this thing can do.
Me too, although knowing my luck with Magnas, All the stem seals will **** themselves and it'll be popping out cam seals like my current one. *touches wood*

']Me too, although knowing my luck with Magnas, All the stem seals will **** themselves and it'll be popping out cam seals like my current one. *touches wood*
for the price of a new set of head gaskets and stem seals, it might be worth doing them before the engine goes in. plus if u have a lazy 1000 bucks lying around maybe a throat job on the ports :cool:

congrats dude lookin good

for the price of a new set of head gaskets and stem seals, it might be worth doing them before the engine goes in. plus if u have a lazy 1000 bucks lying around maybe a throat job on the ports :cool:

Not touching the heads.
if a hole appears, **** it, Ill weld it shut. Am not touching the HG's!

hmm, tufftr and dimi are making me want my KR back.....
nice work tis very very nice.
Mat

']Pretty sure the MIVEC 3.5L Is orientated for the 3rd gens. and they make very similar power. shame those engines are about $5000+!
A 3.5l MIVEC comes from a Pajero so I think you're dreaming if you think it's going to be a straight swap. The 3.0l MIVEC however is a different story.

Good luck with this 3.5 though, should go well.

A 3.5l MIVEC comes from a Pajero so I think you're dreaming if you think it's going to be a straight swap. The 3.0l MIVEC however is a different story.

Good luck with this 3.5 though, should go well.

Could of been either, i really cannot remember, i remember searching on AMC a while back and a forum member had completed a swap in his (or her?) 3rd gen. reduced 1/4 mile times ALOT!

']Could of been either, i really cannot remember, i remember searching on AMC a while back and a forum member had completed a swap in his (or her?) 3rd gen. reduced 1/4 mile times ALOT!
I'd love to read the posts about it too. I know MeanSolara swapped his 3.5 for a 3.0l MIVEC although the last I heard at the time he sold it, he didn't have the circuitry running to swap cam lobes. Although it was faster than his 3.5, I don't think it was much faster and I suspect that he started missing the low rpm torque that the larger engine had over the smaller.

Any chance you're referring to someone else from earlier on? Cause I've never come across anyone else on here who's done it. I have however come across one of the 3.0l engines down the coast which was sold shortly after.

I'd love to read the posts about it too. I know MeanSolara swapped his 3.5 for a 3.0l MIVEC although the last I heard at the time he sold it, he didn't have the circuitry running to swap cam lobes. Although it was faster than his 3.5, I don't think it was much faster and I suspect that he started missing the low rpm torque that the larger engine had over the smaller.

Any chance you're referring to someone else from earlier on? Cause I've never come across anyone else on here who's done it. I have however come across one of the 3.0l engines down the coast which was sold shortly after.

Yep could of possibly been earlier, the posts date was 2004ish. thats all i can remember.
Anyhoo, I'll be Purchasing the ECU In about a fortnight. Im hoping for an E8. From then on, I'll be saving for the extractors, and various other bits n pieces. Trying to get my hands on some blue belts with no luck:P
I hope the F5M3 gearboxes are strong :P

looks sik, bet its gona sound even better :)

Hey TUFFTR,

Will the engine slip right into your engine bay? And what about drivetrains and all them connections, any customisation there as well?

Hey TUFFTR,

Will the engine slip right into your engine bay? And what about drivetrains and all them connections, any customisation there as well?

Yeah, its a bolt in job**
Drivetrains :bowrofl: if you mean gearbox, it bolts up too. Needs a Custom ECU which it'll be getting

Gonna go with an under-drive pulley from 3si or adj. cam gears?

Dooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiit you know you waaaaaaaaant toooooooooooo.

ey paul yours and dimis motor are the same ye???

ey paul yours and dimis motor are the same ye???

Pauls is 3.5L and Dimis is 3.0L. bout the only diff really.

yep paula's is the big block version :D

Gonna go with an under-drive pulley from 3si or adj. cam gears?

Dooooooooo iiiiiiiiiiiiit you know you waaaaaaaaant toooooooooooo.

Under drive pulley im finding out if its the same
Cam gears are definatly different, But all thats different to me are timing marks are half a notch out of each other, and the 3si adjustable cam gears, where they bolt onto the cam sort of looks like this
-0-

Where as on the 3.5L the theres a big hole for the cam gear and then a little notch off it, like this
0 o
You can see what i mean here
http://wrenchmonkey.com/Webpages/6G74Pictures.html
If the gears DO fit, I will be ordering a set for the exhaust cams only.

What size TB is that? Looks like the pipsy 60mm off the 2nd gen v6. Why not go the 65mm off the 3rd gens - getting cheaper at the wreckers every day.

Nope The TB (Opening) is actually 70mm :P
Giggity

']Nope The TB (Opening) is actually 70mm :P
Giggity

What's the gap at the butterfly thou?

What's the gap at the butterfly thou?
Ah didnt get that far :P
I will measure it sometime this week and let you know.

I'm really impressed that you are taking this on. All you guys that have done, or are in the process of doing these swaps have my respect. Not only are you undertaking impressive feats of automotive engineering, you're also flying the flag for the 2nd gen crowd.

I wonder how one of these motors would go in a wagon?

I'm really impressed that you are taking this on. All you guys that have done, or are in the process of doing these swaps have my respect. Not only are you undertaking impressive feats of automotive engineering, you're also flying the flag for the 2nd gen crowd.

I wonder how one of these motors would go in a wagon?
I'll wait till its in and working to fly that flag;)
They go awesome in a wagon, I'll PM you with a few vids :)

']Well thanks dimi for taking the spotlight :P
Just thought I'd show everyone what I've been wasting all my paychecks on for the last month.
this is the JDM DOHC 3.5L Engine i purchased off KB. He gave me a price i couldn't refuse and the next week it was being shipped down.
The stock 3.5L DOHC is rated at 198Kw With 330ishnm of torque, dead stock :)
So anyway, heres how she looked when i first got it off the pallet

And i thought, hell if I'm doing to have a crack at getting this in, I'm going to do it right goddam it!
So, Put in some Iridium Spark Plugs, got the rocker covers painted red, while i painted the alternator and air con compressor silver, and all engine brackets and intake plenum hammer finish metallic silver, as well as the sump. Oh and painted the dipstick tube red too, why? BECAUSE I CAN!!
Also did a red stripe on the alternator too, makes it charger faster hehehe
Also (for rice purposes) got me a silicon red hose kit
Then put on a new oil filter, oil pressure switch and rocker cover gaskets.
Still to paint is the block itself which will be hammer finish black.

Still to come are the Top gun MAX 10mm Top of the line ignition leads, haltech E8, extractors, Timing belt, and accessory belts
Working on an engine on a stand is bloody awesome!
Ill also be polishing the fuel rail and probably the water pump aswell



TUFF. I noticed in your first post, that you were waiting on an haltech e8. Just wanna let you know, that an E8 WILL NOT run your motor. The E8 was designed for 4 cyl cars, and does not have enough inputs and outputs to support your DOHC V6 3.5L.

You will need either a haltech E6X, or a Haltech E11V2.

Regards,
--Alex

TUFF. I noticed in your first post, that you were waiting on an haltech e8. Just wanna let you know, that an E8 WILL NOT run your motor. The E8 was designed for 4 cyl cars, and does not have enough inputs and outputs to support your DOHC V6 3.5L.

You will need either a haltech E6X, or a Haltech E11V2.

Regards,
--Alex

I was told That the E8 would be sufficient for this motor as the E6x was well, crap? (Dont know why but id rather trust what people say, and apparently BOOYa had nothing but trouble with his E6x)
http://www.haltech.com.au/e8.htm
You 100% it wont work?

']I was told That the E8 would be sufficient for this motor as the E6x was well, crap? (Dont know why but id rather trust what people say, and apparently BOOYa had nothing but trouble with his E6x)
http://www.haltech.com.au/e8.htm
You 100% it wont work?

my e6x is great. but i think theres a better haltech variant for the 6cyl... im not sure which one... ask adrian from haltech hes very helpful

Can't you just use a Motec M800?

Both the E8 and the E6X only have 4x sequential injector controllers. But that doesn't mean they can't run more than 4 injectors when wired semi-sequentially. (don't ask me to elaborate - all I know is it can be done)

I've also been advised by a tuner I have alot of regard for that E6x isn't worth the time and effort to install. I've also been told by someone who knows their way around a hell of a lot of different ECU's the Motecs are highly overrated.

I guess it comes down to who you talk to..... I think every workshop will have a differing recommendation based on the who they are a dealer for, or whose rep visits them more often. At the end of the day - most of the ecus on the market have the same features so "which one is best" probably depends more on your budget than anything else.

I guess it comes down to who you talk to..... I think every workshop will have a differing recommendation based on the who they are a dealer for, or whose rep visits them more often. At the end of the day - most of the ecus on the market have the same features so "which one is best" probably depends more on your budget than anything else.
the woner of the workshop i go to used to work for an aftermarket ecu mob. he said they had a room with almost every other ecu on the market doing r&d on them to find out what they did so their next product would be on par or better

Look at EMS Stingers, australian made (easy warrenty), cheaper and have more functions for the price.

Motec, way overpriced

Motec, way overpriced

Unless you own an EVO or a Subaru, in which case you can purchase an M800 "plug and play" OEM replacement ECU. Basically just a direct plug and play replacement "motherboard" for the OEM ecu.

So in answer to disciples question....... yes, of course he can "just get a motec M800", but unlike yours - it would need to be the full version, and would take a hell of alot longer than 1 hour to install.

Well money is a concern but if it means i have to spend $2K so be it.
I'm slowly building up the funds to do this bit by bit.

When i have enough $$ for the ECU I'll have a chat to a local performance shop i know of and ask there opinion.

Any other info is useful though :)
p.s. now on stockies :bowrofl:

Are the engine mounts the same ?

hey tuff

wouldnt the most logical thing for you to do be just using a 6g72 dohc ecu and loom and something like an emanage? or is there something I'm missing here?

hey tuff

wouldnt the most logical thing for you to do be just using a 6g72 dohc ecu and loom and something like an emanage? or is there something I'm missing here?

Well the 3L puts out say 165kw and this puts out 198, by using that ECU it would be tuned for that motor. not for mine, by using this full replacement i can take advantage of everything this motor has, that and the fact i cant get my hands on a stock Debonair ECU

Engine mounts are the same
Either way i still need to get it wired in, so mightaswell kill 2 birds with the one stone

']Well the 3L puts out say 165kw and this puts out 198, by using that ECU it would be tuned for that motor. not for mine,

Thats the part the E-manage would take care of. The factory ECU will cover the basic funtionality, input of sensors/senders, etc etc... and the piggyback will fine tune the AFR and ignition maps to suit the engine/setup.

Thats the part the E-manage would take care of. The factory ECU will cover the basic funtionality, input of sensors/senders, etc etc... and the piggyback will fine tune the AFR and ignition maps to suit the engine/setup.

Trying to find a stock DOHC 3L ECU Actually isnt that hard. I know where to get one. Just thought going a full replacement would be the better option instead of sticking band-aids on everything if you get mah jist

Thats the part the E-manage would take care of. The factory ECU will cover the basic funtionality, input of sensors/senders, etc etc... and the piggyback will fine tune the AFR and ignition maps to suit the engine/setup.

exactly

if you want to be exact the 3l has between 157 and 165 kw depending on who you ask and the 3.5 makes 194 kw according to all the spec sheets ive seen.

You dont need the debonair ecu...im talking about the ecu and loom from a diamante. it will be much easier to hook it up this way as the ecu from the diamante will be a better match for the magna. As you already know the 6g74 dohc and the 6g72 dohc are pretty much the same engine, so using the ecu and loom from the diamante will make the wiring job alot easier (you can learn from all the bull**** wiring us 6g72dohc'ers have had to go through).
the ecu will control the engine and you'll pretty much still have all the normal functions of your magna...and the emanage will make sure you have the right air fuel ratio etc for the 6g74 dohc.

You can kill 2 birds with one stone, but it seems as though you want to go through the hassle of building a trebouche to hurl that stone.

paul is the kinda guy who'll keep modding so a aftermarket ecu is a better option. Also i wouldn't trust the running of an 3L ecu in the 3.5L the ecu controls everything and minor differences could have disastrous results.

you can say that again bro
wiring is killing me life here :rant:

if it helps you guys i had no troubles :P Modifications are fun arent they

OMG awesome cool
Nice - very nice :cool:
That's almost as good as, as good as......... umm, That's pretty damn sweet :D
Good luck mate
Love it!!!

Honestly, id rather not spend $2200 on an ECU. My car stock is not worth $2200, actully, even done up I'd be finding it hard to sell it for $2200.
That adaptronic one looks awesome.
I would like to know how many tuners of that ECU there are around melbourne and what the backup is like.
I'll do some research into it.
But any other options anyone knows of would be tops

hey mate that engine looks sweet as how much rtrouble is it fitting it into a TR?

hey mate that engine looks sweet as how much rtrouble is it fitting it into a TR?

Not much if its a V6, Just drops in like the 3L

i've used adaptronic.. the software is piss easy.. can realtime tune, 3d maps etc etc.. download the software from thier website and have a poke around.. give a disc with the software on it to a tuner and they will easily be able to work it out..

i've used adaptronic.. the software is piss easy.. can realtime tune, 3d maps etc etc.. download the software from thier website and have a poke around.. give a disc with the software on it to a tuner and they will easily be able to work it out..

Sounds good....
Ill have a fiddle around with it tonight!
I'll play around with the program too :)

ROFL!!

NIIIIICE *borat voice*

a mate of mine tunes using that software, aparently its not hard at all

hehe.
I was a bit skeptical at first...it had so many features yet so cheap...
Couldnt come across anyone who has said "Do not buy this" etc etc along those lines.
So yeah Ill be contacting TC in a few weeks and get one off him.

']hehe.
I was a bit skeptical at first...it had so many features yet so cheap...
Couldnt come across anyone who has said "Do not buy this" etc etc along those lines.
So yeah Ill be contacting TC in a few weeks and get one off him.

TC has tuned some impressive rides. They're all still running well from my research so the adaptronic must be doing the right things. Most piggybacks and ecus are seriously overpriced anyways - simple profit vs volume of sales scenario.

TC has tuned some impressive rides. They're all still running well from my research so the adaptronic must be doing the right things. Most piggybacks and ecus are seriously overpriced anyways - simple profit vs volume of sales scenario.

Well $1800 for an E8 vs almost half that for this ECU so i was stupid not to do some research into it

Here's a small write up on a guy who did the 6G74 transplant in the US not too long ago.
Didn't read it all but might be useful for you bro

6G74 swap

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2818000-2818999/2818925_1_full.jpg

Right now I am buttoning up my 6G74 engine swap. I started this project August 2006 when I pulled the original engine, the 6G72, to do a rebuild since the piston rings where bad. I got the engine completely rebuilt with an engine kit from Northern Auto and unfortunately had to move houses. The new house I moved to inevitably had no garage like my previous so I told the landlord Id be back to get my engine and car. I arrived and loaded my car onto the trailer and when I opened the garage all I saw was an empty garage, empty of my engine my engine crane and engine stand. I was fuming and called the landlord repeatedly until I got ahold of him to hear that he had stored it at a friends house for me to pickup. I never hear from him again and long story short I lost my freshly rebuilt engine that was ready to be put back in. Now its 4 months later and I have my car at my girlfriends fathers garage. Without a plan on what to do the car sat there beside the garage from October to February. I finally decided I was going to buy another engine for it since I just cannot go without my baby. I found a good deal online for a used 6G72 from Osaka JDM for only $580 so I bought it for a total of $930 not too shabby I thought. When the engine arrived I was shocked to discover that they had sent me the wrong engine, they sent me a 6G74 from a JDM debonair which is a sweet deal since you cannot buy this engine for too much less than $1500. I got the engine in with a crane I borrowed from my uncle and so far everything is lining up and is going wonderfully. In an excitment provoked hurry I neglected to lube up the output shaft, big mistake I know. When I was tightening the trannsmission bellhousing to engine bolts the bellhousing broke off a pretty decent sized chunk taking three bolt holes with it. Luckily it broke in one clean piece. After this dilemma I ended up splitting up with my girlfriend and now must move the car once again. I brought it this time to my friends house which unfortunately happens to be about 40 minutes away from my house. With my work schedule I dont have too much time to drive there to work on it often. After being there for about two months I got my transmission removed, which is a pain using two jacks and jackstands holding the car, and had the piece welded back on. The next week I had the transmission back in the car. Today I got my new ball joints and tie rods installed. Tomorrow I am going to put the transmission cross member back in and hook the exhaust back up and finish the transmission by putting the four bolts in the torque converter. Tomorrow i will have it back on the ground. The only thing that will be left is to replace one coil pack, which I am waiting on the money for, and the valve cover gasket for precautionary measures and she will be complete. Since I have not heard of anyone in the US completely this swap I am not 100% sure if I need to replace the ECU or piggy back it or what not so if so then sadly I will be waiting longer to get my baby back since my job sucks at the moment. I would really like to know how many people in the world have completed a 6G74 swap in a first generation Diamante. As far as I know I am the first in the US, I believe there is one or a couple in Australia. Please any input would be appreciated. Ask any questions as well I am more than willing to share what i have learned.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2818000-2818999/2818925_2_full.jpg

11/25/07

So the swap is finally complete. last night i got the cams and cranks all timed and started it up and she runs, but not as good as i had hoped. The flex plate seems to be be bent a little bit and it rubs on something causing an awful noise but nevertheless the engine is in and it runs and drives. the flex plate problem is no big deal. Hopefully i can just straighten it out with everything still in the car but i wont know until i get the car up in the air but thankfully my girlfriends dad has a garage with a twin post contact lift at their house so this week i am going to do that and then put her back on the road. i will get some more pics up here soon.

This engine swap has proven to be the biggest pain in the butt ever. I wanted to changed the valve cover gasket because it looked like it leaked a little so i went to autozone, advanced auto, NAPA and fishers auto and every place doesn no thave a listing for a DOHC 3.5l engine made by mitsubishi. I guess its off the the stealership...

and here's a link to the 6G74 conversion guide http://wrenchmonkey.com/Webpages/6G74swap.html

Paula Abdul has some work ahead of him...

Paula Abdul has some work ahead of him...
HAHAHAHAHA :bowrofl: word

Dimi dimi dimi.... my head is spinning no more links....:badgrin:

Bah, read it all before. the links in that wrench monkey article are referring to the pajero engine. the JDM Engine is a direct swapover.
But cheers dimi :)

...so paula...whats news with the engine mate?

...so paula...whats news with the engine mate?

Got some gates racing belts for it :bowrofl: :D
Just trying to find out if the stainless steel 3000GT headers will line up with the 3.5L
They are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP in the US!

Gates racing belts and 10.2mm racing leads :)
I'll be polishing up some random bits tomorrow and maybe doing some repainting after some inspiration from Matt


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/PC100011.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/PC100019.jpg

the belts and leads look pretty cool, lets just hope it all runs smooth when its put in

Starting to look real sexy tuffy, this project of yours must be quite detrimental to the paycheck each week mate, if you dont mind me asking what has it all set you back?


PS: when are the 2 snails becoming apart of this project? lol

Starting to look real sexy tuffy, this project of yours must be quite detrimental to the paycheck each week mate, if you dont mind me asking what has it all set you back?


PS: when are the 2 snails becoming apart of this project? lol
ummmm
that engine is worth as much as another V6 2nd gen :redface:
2 snails? LOL when i win tatts...
Ahh ts3.0......Yeah i hope it works too or else i'll be declaring bankruptcy :D

that's mint tuffy great work on the leads
wish i could just see that engine pop into your car right now
looks like it's all set to go!


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that engine is worth as much as another V6 2nd gen

or 2 lol

that's mint tuffy great work on the leads
wish i could just see that engine pop into your car right now
looks like it's all set to go!


or 2 lol

It will be in soon DW!
only 2 more physical purchases left before it can go in and work and pwn and stuff

how come your spark leads say "IRIDUM" there's a letter missing.....ahahahha made in china ftw!

how come your spark leads say "IRIDUM" there's a letter missing.....ahahahha made in china ftw!

Cause they were an ebay special :D

just like the motor :bowrofl:

just like the motor :bowrofl:

lmao!


Those leads have to have less restriction on the flame travel through them right?

hehe this thing gonna misfire like a mofo


jk

lmao!


Those leads have to have less restriction on the flame travel through them right?

hehe this thing gonna misfire like a mofo


jk
MISFIRE SYSTEM YO :bowrofl:

gb2 Initial D Second Stage TUFFTR :P lol

hey paul is it nearly ready to be dropped into me car or what.lol

hey paul is it nearly ready to be dropped into me car or what.lol
Yeah man was that 2 blowjobs or 3 i get for it lol

']Yeah man was that 2 blowjobs or 3 i get for it lol
done wouldnt cost more then $200 think 30 min is around $150 and no doubt you would have been done by then

done wouldnt cost more then $200 think 30 min is around $150 and no doubt you would have been done by then

decyphering that, i think u know the costs that a man-wh*ore charges for bj's...

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

decyphering that, i think u know the costs that a man-wh*ore charges for bj's...

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
not man who*res just who*res but only because its in the paper and i have droped ppl off to work at one in tville here b4

not man who*res just who*res but only because its in the paper and i have droped ppl off to work at one in tville here b4

Sureeeeeeeeeeee you doooo ;)

']I'll be polishing up some random bits


Always knew you'd be a good 'parts polisher'.

coughcoughWANKERcough.

Always knew you'd be a good 'parts polisher'.

coughcoughWANKERcough.

I am a man who likes to see his reflection in his thermostat housing!

']Sureeeeeeeeeeee you doooo ;)
actually funy that should come up my security company got the contract for the gay bar here in tville and my boss mentioned it to me when i got the roster that week and im like "never put me there" i have nothing wrong with it its i just couldnt really handle being there when i should be at the cri

Aluminum crank pulley - approx $200 - worth it?

']Aluminum crank pulley - approx $200 - worth it?

draw the line dude. That'll be the majority of a weeks pay with how much youre working at the moment. Also minimum gains to be had.

Just start saving for the install and put it in yourself. Mating gbox's and engines is not hard with experienced help.

draw the line dude. That'll be the majority of a weeks pay with how much youre working at the moment. Also minimum gains to be had.

Just start saving for the install and put it in yourself. Mating gbox's and engines is not hard with experienced help.

I know. I just want to do any bolt on stuff now while its out.
Just have the cam seals and welsh plugs to do now (pre-cautionay)
timing kit, water pump and adj cam gears going on in a week or two.

Yeah defiantly going to need experienced help as NFI how to join the two together properly.

']Aluminum crank pulley - approx $200 - worth it?


Get an underdrive pulley if you are going to go down that route.

Get an underdrive pulley if you are going to go down that route.
can someone explain to me exactly what an underdrive pulley is? and should/can i get one myself

can someone explain to me exactly what an underdrive pulley is? and should/can i get one myself

all i know is with those you need new belts and it slows down all your accessorys.
CBF with that, just want something standard. and i just spent $80 on new belts im not changing them!

aye paula when we cruise down to melbourne in feb reckon you'll have the car ready? hook up with us when we go down

http://www.mitsubishiclubaustralia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3603

can someone explain to me exactly what an underdrive pulley is? and should/can i get one myself
from what i understand they are just lighter and smaller crankshaft pulleys so that it takes more turns of the crank shaft to turn the altinator and what not

from what i understand they are just lighter and smaller crankshaft pulleys so that it takes more turns of the crank shaft to turn the altinator and what not

and therefore, they require less of the engines power to turn the pulley, less power to the alternator etc, but more to the wheels - where it really counts :cool:

and therefore, they require less of the engines power to turn the pulley, less power to the alternator etc, but more to the wheels - where it really counts :cool:
a small and almost worthless gain but a gain nonetheless and it usually is those small mods that add up

a small and almost worthless gain but a gain nonetheless and it usually is those small mods that add up

It's a pretty popular mod amongst the LS1 modding community, but then again, it's pretty much an "off the shelf" item for LS1's - finding one which will suit a magna (or making one) requires a little more effort.

There is alot to be said for mods that reduce the "unnecessary" effort the motor has to exert, take your electric water pumps, and lightweight flywheels for example - it's all the same principle.

It's a pretty popular mod amongst the LS1 modding community, but then again, it's pretty much an "off the shelf" item for LS1's - finding one which will suit a magna (or making one) requires a little more effort.

There is alot to be said for mods that reduce the "unnecessary" effort the motor has to exert, take your electric water pumps, and lightweight flywheels for example - it's all the same principle.

Actually in the US it is an off the shelf item.
AFAIK will also fit SOHC 12v models too.
alot of the 3000GT performance parts fit on our maggies too.

I remember Killbilly picking up an aluminium crank pulley from the States when he was still around here.

http://www.3sx.com/store/comersus_viewItemBundle.asp?idProduct=916

Have a wander around there...

I remember Killbilly picking up an aluminium crank pulley from the States when he was still around here.

http://www.3sx.com/store/comersus_viewItemBundle.asp?idProduct=916

Have a wander around there...

When i last spoke to him about it he said who ever scored his magna was getting the pulley but if they chose to fit it or not.

Newest Addition.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/AdjustableCamgears.jpg
wewp

You going a Manual Conversion too to harness all your added power?

You going a Manual Conversion too to harness all your added power?
yep.
I hate auto. i really do.
Manual GB is getting checked out as we speak and i have a HD clutch. I friggin hope thats enough

^^ Hahaha, I really wanna see the end result... Been waiting for this for a while! Sounding good though Tuff.

End result will sound something like 24 bent valves... lol

J/k.. hurry up man!! at this rate i'll have my fagna back on the road sooner than yours lol.

Just for being so confident you can do the honors in doing my timing belt!!

Saved up enough money now for the custom exhaust, so all thats left is dropping it in and getting it wired up.
Having worked the last 10 days straight and working 9 more in the next 10 days im a little strapped for time amongst other things like fixing the power windows, installing the EQ's, repainting the interior, installing some switches, finalizing the fuel lid, redoing my bootlid, finishing off the parcel shelf, fixinf the boot install, painting the rims, getting them whitewalled...


Struggling to find time to fart lately :(

Well new thermostat, water pump, adjustable cam gears and timing belt are now on, many thanks to _X_FiReStoRm_X_ for doing it for me too :)
Ill get some pics of the engine and all the cam gears up soon :D

']Well new thermostat, water pump, adjustable cam gears and timing belt are now on, many thanks to _X_FiReStoRm_X_ for doing it for me too :)
Ill get some pics of the engine and all the cam gears up soon :D

I did no such thing.... (insert disclaimer here).
lol

Well TuffTR you've inspired us all. Thanks to reading this thread and the fact that i have been looking to rip out my 2nd gen Verada KR engine and dump in something more powerfull, this looks the way to go. I know you've been flat out between work and finishing this thing but was wondering if you have done a doco of some sort on what youve had to do, how much it cost and what needed to be changed before the new engine is ready?
Still a bit confused on which engine youve used though, so many damn threads! Is it this engine: http://www.fnfmotors.ca/JDM-6G74-3-5L-DOHC-Engine-Only-p/fnf-mitsu9.htm
If I feel confident enough im going to give this a crack as well and have plenty of cash 2 pull it off so here goes nothing!
I have a lot of resources at my desposal from full car hoists to engine pullys, laithe, 2 mechanincs willing to do anything for me if i need it, as well as a fibreglasser and painter for the final touches. Hope its going well, any help would be muchly appreciated! :cool:

more powerfull, this looks the way to go. I know you've been flat out between work and finishing this thing but was wondering if you have done a doco of some sort on what youve had to do,

i've got his doco right here:
Start
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End
:bowrofl:
he hasnt done anything yet.. just made it look pretty on an engine stand.

i've got his doco right here:
Start
.
End
:bowrofl:
he hasnt done anything yet.. just made it look pretty on an engine stand.

took effort ****.
Theres a wreckers in QLD selling one of these engines and is looking at $2K for it.
to put in the 3.5L and have it installed + manual conversion you wont see much change from $7Kish. If you want to take an easier way out, drop in the 3L DOHC and save yourself $3-4K (Engines can be found for $500 down in melb;))

Matt when i save up enough $$ I'll have you come down one day and help me drop it in and stuff since you know what your doing and your so awesome and all and you said you'd help me do it right? :) thanks buddddyyyyy

Ahk koolies. But that link i have posted about, isnt that a 3.5L? Once its shipped and payed for it should be around $3900 AUD, or are the american versions of this engine different? eg. wont fit in an Aussie Chassis. Id preferr to get a 3.5L straight up as it will save time, money and hassle. Is there anywhere near you that has a 3.5L avaliable? I reakon ill keep it auto untill the engine is completley worked but we will see what happens. I think ill paint my covers blue though, just to be different ;-)

Ahk koolies. But that link i have posted about, isnt that a 3.5L? Once its shipped and payed for it should be around $3900 AUD, or are the american versions of this engine different? eg. wont fit in an Aussie Chassis. Id preferr to get a 3.5L straight up as it will save time, money and hassle. Is there anywhere near you that has a 3.5L avaliable? I reakon ill keep it auto untill the engine is completley worked but we will see what happens. I think ill paint my covers blue though, just to be different ;-)

Getting that for $4K is a ripoff.
If you want the direct fit in you MUST Buy the JDM 3.5L (Pretty sure that was the one you linked me too)
Like i said there is one in QLD (PM "Sports" about it) for give or take $2K.
You must buy all the accessories with them like alt, p/s pump, brackets, etc as they are VERY hard to find in aus.
Keeping it auto will again be very hard as you need to run the stock ECU. Now going by how hard these engines are to find, imagine trying to find the ECU! Stuff that! + who wants the crappy automatic anyway.

Yes the US versions (The montero/Pajero ones) wont fit our cars without MAJOR fabrication. They use them over there because they are cheap as chips to buy, and alot more people over there work with 3000GT engines so this is only a small challenge, from what Ive read, few brackets have to be custom made, some of the block has to be cut off, and a few more bits, like the dipstick is on the wrong side.

So basically
Engine from US $3900 or Engine from here $2000
ECU, standard $??? Or ranging from $1200-$2500
Manual conversion $400-$1000
Timing kit, major service - $500+
Extractors - $1000
Full exhaust -$300 - $900
Dropping in engine yourself? (Save money here)
Getting it wired up....$900+++

So if you were to go with the US engine, import that, get the best ECU available and do everything else there you are looking at $10K which to me is going on the boundary of insane

Thats a pretty comprehensive coverage of all bases, thank you! After considering this it would probably be a better idea to source it locally in AUS. With this being the case, what would you recommend i do? Im trying to get this engine but want it to be easy to bolt in as Id preferr not to have to do too much fabrication regarding the brace's.

So if I can get this engine in AUS will I need the ECU thats specifically for this engine, a custom ECU or will the Series 2 Verada ECU I have hold it (Probably not seeing as how pretty much everything will be different with the programming etc)

Thanks again for your help TuffTR, I dont want to go in head first with this project if im unsure of what needs to be sourced. :cool:

']Keeping it auto will again be very hard as you need to run the stock ECU. Now going by how hard these engines are to find, imagine trying to find the ECU! Stuff that! + who wants the crappy automatic anyway.


I dont think this is right paul. Dimi got ****ed around and i'd be checking out with the likes of madmagna regarding the autos but i believe they only needs the speed and rpm signals which can be given using the pre-outs (or pin-outs or whatever you call them) of any full aftermarket ecu.

Im not at all sure but i also think these signals could be easily attained from the crank angle sensor for rpm and something else for speed which would mean you also wouldnt "waste" a pin-out although it wouldnt really be a waste.

You won't need a stock ECU to run an auto box... You'll need the TCU, as any aftermarket full engine management system will take care of the rest.

I've been told the TCU runs through the ECU (it gathers sensor outputs/diagnostics from it). So you'll need the factory ECU to run the TCU.

I've been told the TCU runs through the ECU (it gathers sensor outputs/diagnostics from it). So you'll need the factory ECU to run the TCU.
Aftermarket EMS can emulate said sensor diagnostics.

Aftermarket EMS can emulate said sensor diagnostics.

Sweet... :cool:

Sweet... :cool:
I have TUFFTR's ecu... in my car lol

I have TUFFTR's ecu... in my car lol

Lmao, i have his desktop PC in mine.... (ssshhhhh lol )

Sorry, well im not a bloody ECU expert here so dont listen to any of that, but try and scource the JDM 3.5L DOHC engine as said before and it should all bolt right up.
I dont even have a manual license YET But with that much power (hopefully) at the wheels/ engine whatever who would want to keep it auto, sigh, boring

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I dont even have a manual license YET But with that much power (hopefully) at the wheels/ engine whatever who would want to keep it auto, sigh, boring
Believe me when i say you wouldnt have an auto for long with that power! SNAP! And yes, autos are boring. Very boring.

Believe me when i say you wouldnt have an auto for long with that power! SNAP! And yes, autos are boring. Very boring.
I wuv my tippy :)

Lmao, i have his desktop PC in mine.... (ssshhhhh lol )
:bowrofl:
Sonrop FTW

Sorry for the **** photo but meh
Cam gears and shiz are on now and yeah looks so friggin hot!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/Image075.jpg
**** yeahhhhh

Dump this fag engine into your damn car already!! lol

engines looking good dude
just hope the thing works after all this hard work and money you've spent on it

engines looking good dude
just hope the thing works after all this hard work and money you've spent on it
It turns so thats a start.
if anything doesnt work well i guess ill have to get it fixed.

i want to sex it :drool:

Hey Paula looks wicked. Looks like something out of the GJTC touring car auctions.
Quit putting little knobs and enhancements on it and wham it into your engine bay!

Yeah stop with the teasing already... just do it.... now that i think about it. It's time is nearly up.. How long did you say?

']Yep flywheel figure. Ill be running a E8 and extractors which will open it up even more. theres so much potential in this engine which is good for later on down the track. Hoping to have this in in 2-3 months MAX.


Date posted.....10/11/07..... Ahemmm:D

lol
Had a shortfall at work which meant i was only earning $120~ a week for 4 weeks which really set things back.
And i cant help putting little knick knacks on!!! I need something to keep my modding bug alive.
DW when it goes in I'll let you all know. I wish i had the doshola to slam it in now but i aint gonna be rushing stuff and i'll be doing it when i have the good old green stuff to throw around.

can i touch it?


Only if you wash your hands and have ablood test first,,,,,:confused:

Getting pretty heavily involved in starting this project guys, im definately going to stick to the 6G74 non turbo engine. It comes out of a 3000GT right? Anyways the following site looks a bit plain and "dodgy" so to speak but if its legit its bloody crazy. $1400 for this engine tested and ready to go (half cut) Check it out and tell me what you rekon. http://www.asianautospares.com.au/index.cfm?Do=View.Product&ProductID=14
Im trying to find someone who sells the engine in AUS and at a decent price. I know the above link doesn't say its a JDM engine which might be a problem bolting into a 2nd gen rada but at that price its definately worth shopping around.

Hows it coming along anyways, got the paychecks back up to a decent rate?

Getting pretty heavily involved in starting this project guys, im definately going to stick to the 6G74 non turbo engine. It comes out of a 3000GT right? Anyways the following site looks a bit plain and "dodgy" so to speak but if its legit its bloody crazy. $1400 for this engine tested and ready to go (half cut) Check it out and tell me what you rekon. http://www.asianautospares.com.au/index.cfm?Do=View.Product&ProductID=14
Im trying to find someone who sells the engine in AUS and at a decent price. I know the above link doesn't say its a JDM engine which might be a problem bolting into a 2nd gen rada but at that price its definately worth shopping around.

Hows it coming along anyways, got the paychecks back up to a decent rate?

just remember with halfcuts that all the gear is there aka coilpacks etc, im having this issue atm with getting a 6a13 motor, everyone ive looked at have had alternators etc missing which are quite difficult to get atm and expensive

Getting pretty heavily involved in starting this project guys, im definately going to stick to the 6G74 non turbo engine. It comes out of a 3000GT right? Anyways the following site looks a bit plain and "dodgy" so to speak but if its legit its bloody crazy. $1400 for this engine tested and ready to go (half cut) Check it out and tell me what you rekon. http://www.asianautospares.com.au/index.cfm?Do=View.Product&ProductID=14
Im trying to find someone who sells the engine in AUS and at a decent price. I know the above link doesn't say its a JDM engine which might be a problem bolting into a 2nd gen rada but at that price its definately worth shopping around.

Hows it coming along anyways, got the paychecks back up to a decent rate?

6G72 (3L DOHC) Comes out of the 3000GT
6G74 (3.5L DOHC) Comes out of the Mitsubishi Debonair

And yeah that site has nothing on it....
Has to be a JDM Engine or else it wont fit without modifications.

Righto!! JDM 6G74 (3.5L DOHC) Mitsubishi Debonair it is. Are these an easy engine to get hold of or will it be a rare buy if that? I want to make sure I get the ECU etc at the same time because the last thing i would want would be to try and hunt one down after i bought the engine. Who stocks/imports JDM in Australia because I will have to figure out where to source it and which freight companies to go through. If anyone on the site spots one come up somewhere let me know because I will see if i can get it shipped down here to Tassie.
Ive decided to buy a cheap TS and use that as the project car, so that way my rada wont be outta commision for ages.

Thanks again for the help TuffTR, hopefully we can both get this project done ASAP. :cool:

is it in yet?
I reckon we'll all know about it when its in. Atm afaik he's still cruising around on the SOHC 3L, yet to thunder around with the DOHC 3.5 :badgrin:

still cant wait! :rant: lol

is it in yet?
Thats what she said :bowrofl:

']Thats what she said :bowrofl:

bahaha zing :bowrofl: ill pay that one

']Thats what she said :bowrofl::roll:

I take a look at this thread every now and then to see what the latest update is - and this is all we get! lol

Hey ive seen a few posts about 3rd jens using 6g74, i though this was only an engine for a second gen? :confused:

Hey ive seen a few posts about 3rd jens using 6g74, i though this was only an engine for a second gen? :confused:

nope, the third gen uses a 3.0 6g72 24v SOHC and and a 3.5l 6g74 24v SOHC

Hey ive seen a few posts about 3rd jens using 6g74, i though this was only an engine for a second gen? :confused:
3rd gens use the 3.5L 6G74 SOHC engine with a different orientation.
Both 2nd and 3rd gens use the 6G72 block as well, 3rd gen has more valves and a different orientation though.

:lurk:
yeah yeah yeah wheels are in motion dont worry.
Lucifer is personally coming down from QLD to hand deliver me my ECU so until then it stays stock

']yeah yeah yeah wheels are in motion dont worry.
Lucifer is personally coming down from QLD to hand deliver me my ECU so until then it stays stock

QLD to Melbs is a fair drive! Thats pretty awesome of him to do that :)

QLD to Melbs is a fair drive! Thats pretty awesome of him to do that :)
Yeah I'm a pretty awesome guy.

3rd gens use the 3.5L 6G74 SOHC engine with a different orientation.
Both 2nd and 3rd gens use the 6G72 block as well, 3rd gen has more valves and a different orientation though.

To be more specific,

The 6G72 in the second gen is a plain old 6G72

The 6G72 in the third gen is called a 6G72 S4 as is the 3.5 called a 6G74 S4

I reckon around June or July it'll be on the road ready to go.
It'll be well worth the wait so keep doing what you doing.

I reckon around June or July it'll be on the road ready to go.
It'll be well worth the wait so keep doing what you doing.

Sitting on here all day?:P
Really excited about it happening so soon. only thing i have to look forward to these days :)

Hey guys, ive been seriously shopping around and might have found what i want. I was looking at getting the 6G74 as i said before but it has been too hard to find it. Anyways as i have found the 6G72 will bolt directly into my V6 Verada. After doing a bit more research I have found that a half cut of a N/A GTO will almost bolt straight in, just like Dimi has done. I have been offered a Twin Turbo GTO for $2800 and just wondered if this will also bolt directly in or does the TT setup change the situation all together.

I need to figure this out asap because they have the engine in melbourne waiting for me.

What you rekon dimi??

I dont think anyone on these forums has a definite yes or no answer if it WILL fit
If your after a cheap motor they have them for $500 (N/A DOHC) down at EKW Wreckers in east keilor in melb....

$2800 is alot of money for an engine which might fit...
+ Does it come with a GB?

']I dont think anyone on these forums has a definite yes or no answer if it WILL fit
If your after a cheap motor they have them for $500 (N/A DOHC) down at EKW Wreckers in east keilor in melb....

$2800 is alot of money for an engine which might fit...
+ Does it come with a GB?


Paula what are these "cheap" N/A DOHCS you speak of?
Any good?...$500 sounds a bit dodgy........

Paula what are these "cheap" N/A DOHCS you speak of?
Any good?...$500 sounds a bit dodgy........

Actually just sent someone a PM with that exact information in it!
nah they are not dodgey. so far in my dealings with wreckers they are one of the most knowledgeable and friendliest people to deal with. they are kept outside in cages, so yeah bit rusty here and there, but it has everything you need!

See with your car josh, i'd be doing the 4-6cyl conversion cause you've spent so much time and money on it. if you cbf'd you could hunt one down in the same color but V6 and just transfer it all over?

i think this deserves a bit of a :bump:

hows everything going paula? any new progress?

i think this deserves a bit of a :bump:

hows everything going paula? any new progress?

Nar...Still going slowly but money is almost there!
Swapped my damaged lower sump over for a much better condition one (Cheers EKW) umm got the flywheel machined, just gotta get some new engine mounts and the throwout bearing for the GB, other then that its just saving the approx $3K to get it all in and working.

Does that 3K include ECU and associated costs?

Also did you get the flywheel lightened at all or just a basic machining?

Man, I can't wait to see the finished product, excellent choice in modification. :D

Luv the work ya done to this car man... But, Moooooaar Pixorz!!!!:p

Does that 3K include ECU and associated costs?

Also did you get the flywheel lightened at all or just a basic machining?

Man, I can't wait to see the finished product, excellent choice in modification. :D
ECU has already been delivered to him ;)

As for tuning... no.

Does that 3K include ECU and associated costs?

Also did you get the flywheel lightened at all or just a basic machining?

Man, I can't wait to see the finished product, excellent choice in modification. :D

The $3K I'm saving up is purely for getting the electronics installed + Tuned + Extractors.
Air con can wait.
What do you need pictures of:P
Nothings happened so far lol

']The $3K I'm saving up is purely for getting the electronics installed + Tuned + Extractors.
Air con can wait.
What do you need pictures of:P
Nothings happened so far lol

hmmm you shouldve saved that already.

Also send your stocko manifolds to the exhaust place in advance to get the flanges made (mine had were made out of house therefore took 2 days extra).

Ps hurry up

hmmm you shouldve saved that already.

Also send your stocko manifolds to the exhaust place in advance to get the flanges made (mine had were made out of house therefore took 2 days extra).

Ps hurry up

I have 1 stock manifold but wouldnt they need the whole engine there?
Or else then wouldnt it be like working in the dark.
PS Yeah shh I'm getting bits here and there. Just finished getting another lower sump from it as the one i had was damaged in transit. Also painted it red too, looks sharp dont ya reckon.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCRedsump.jpg

']I have 1 stock manifold but wouldnt they need the whole engine there?
Or else then wouldnt it be like working in the dark.
PS Yeah shh I'm getting bits here and there. Just finished getting another lower sump from it as the one i had was damaged in transit. Also painted it red too, looks sharp dont ya reckon.



that is sex paul

that is sex paul
Thanks!
Just purchasing pretty much all of the bolts i can see in allen-key head form in stainless steel.
The getting some pretty heavy duty engine cleaner to spruce up the outside a bit more..
*** stainless bolts are expensive little things i tells ya.

Still tossing up about getting that lightweight crank pulley :(

i swear this motor will become a giant colourful clean paperweight as it wont go in the car anytime in the near future :bowrofl:

']I have 1 stock manifold but wouldnt they need the whole engine there?
Or else then wouldnt it be like working in the dark.
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i mean just for for the flange not the pipes

i swear this motor will become a giant colourful clean paperweight as it wont go in the car anytime in the near future :bowrofl:

HEY
HEY
YOU WANNA GIVE ME THE MONEY TO DO THIS
NO
THEN SUSH
lol
i kid i kid, man not earning a fortune every week, + petrol + random food + phone bills + board = doesnt leave much conversion fund moneys.

']Thanks!
Just purchasing pretty much all of the bolts i can see in allen-key head form in stainless steel.
The getting some pretty heavy duty engine cleaner to spruce up the outside a bit more..
*** stainless bolts are expensive little things i tells ya.



you will find that the larger bolts (10 and 12mm) will be a fine thread too which will make them more expensive, also the price of nickle has shot up over the last 3 years.

Paula you want some BMW brake cleaner?

you will find that the larger bolts (10 and 12mm) will be a fine thread too which will make them more expensive, also the price of nickle has shot up over the last 3 years.

I'll post up some pics later on, basically yeah all new shiny screws and an anodized blue oil cap. woo

"TUFFTR and his amazing technicolor engine" lol

Looks amazing though, and it's something different, well done. Be one hell of a TR when it's fitted, that's for sure. :)

i mean just for for the flange not the pipes


when i got my DOHC heads, they had an exhaust gasket on the studs so i gave that to my mate that works at a truck bodybuilders and he cut me a pair of flanges out of 10mm thick plate.

All you would have to do then is get a set of standard extractors modified to fit. I was advised this would be the cheapest and easiest path by EZ Boy. His dad owns an exhaust shop.

when i got my DOHC heads, they had an exhaust gasket on the studs so i gave that to my mate that works at a truck bodybuilders and he cut me a pair of flanges out of 10mm thick plate.

All you would have to do then is get a set of standard extractors modified to fit. I was advised this would be the cheapest and easiest path by EZ Boy. His dad owns an exhaust shop.

Alrighty...Might drop the one set i have off to the local exhaust shop today and get em to make me the flanges
edito
Cleaned the intake manifold today, sprayed it silver, and cleaned up the heads a bit on the intake side. looks good now!

whats been doin? time for some more photo's i rectum.

whats been doin? time for some more photo's i rectum.
Dont need any photos, nothing has changed.
Just waiting to get some time off work to drop it in:)

']Dont need any photos, nothing has changed.
Just waiting to get some time off work to drop it in:)

You should keep your tales of fantasy for parties.

You should keep your tales of fantasy for parties.
Let me dream :cry:

7 months into it, any other progression other then some paint? :P

7 months into it, any other progression other then some paint? :P
Nah
Going up to see Lucifer in a month so i'll move things along after i come back.
I wouldnt bother about bumping this until i do cause it aint moving anywhere:P

']Nah
Going up to see Lucifer in a month so i'll move things along after i come back.
I wouldnt bother about bumping this until i do cause it aint moving anywhere:P

Theeeeeey'rrrrrrrrrre gettttttttttting maaaaarrrrrrrrrrrriiiiieeeeeeeeeddd.. in townsville.

Theeeeeey'rrrrrrrrrre gettttttttttting maaaaarrrrrrrrrrrriiiiieeeeeeeeeddd.. in townsville.
Yeah you post now with nothing usefull to say you prick :P

7 months into it, any other progression other then some paint? :P
Gee give it time, the inside hasn't been painted yet!

You'll all be glad to know that after 8 pages of utter crap, between the 8-7-08 and the 13-7-08, the 3.5L and manual conversion should be getting dropped in
I'm also getting both bumpers and mirrors resprayed, aswell as the interior :) Wheels are getting powdercoated and then whitewalled, should be hectick. Also gonna be copping either new brake pads and slotteds all around, not sure weather or not to do series 4000's in the front yet though...
Still needa find out if 3rd gen brakes will bolt on (Caliper, Bracket and rotor) cause if it is well giggggggity
Gonna be doing a hectick boot install too as well as a new boot lid! (Covering holes with bog sucks)

So yeah, ****s finally gonna happen, should be kick ass, Should be one of the most sweetest looking, fastest 2nd gens out there :cool:
With no fugly custom bodykits or anything dropping off....
I'll keep ya's posted
PEACE

Sweet as.... gonna be one fully sik 2nd gen.. can't wait 2 c pix and hopefully vids when she's all up and goin!!

Praise the lord, there is light at the end of the tunnel :bowrofl:

Hmm,

Cant wait to see how this turns out..

Praise the lord, there is light at the end of the tunnel :bowrofl:
What that, An offer to help :P

Hmm,

Cant wait to see how this turns out..
Me too. Should be nice and broke by the end of this week. Part time wage ftw

']What that, An offer to help :P
I already offered to help you before.. seems to me you didn't appreciate my sexual favours :bowrofl:

So are you dropping it in yourself or are you getting a mechanic to do it for you?

I already offered to help you before.. seems to me you didn't appreciate my sexual favours :bowrofl:

So are you dropping it in yourself or are you getting a mechanic to do it for you?
dropping it in myself, just talking to TC now about wiring it up....seems fairly more straight forward then i first thought (his SR20DET BMW is friggin awesome...)
So yeah, i suck at LED's but I might give ECU's a go...

nah we'll see how we go...

I've got some spare 3rd gen callipers and brackets you can dummy fit to check clearances. :)

I've got some spare 3rd gen callipers and brackets you can dummy fit to check clearances. :)
Hmm.....Might take you up on that offer man, but without the bit that bolts to the strut and lower control arm thingy pretty sure it wont work..

For anyone who cares
in a few hours
1) bumpers all off ready for painting
2) interior panels removed ready for painting
3) boot lid and wing off ready for a new boot lid (finally)
4) boot install out
5) boot sound deadening started

tomorrow everything goes off to get painted, stockys go on all round, wheels should be dropped off for powder coating, and ill sound deaden more of the boot and get ready to rip the engine out

anyone wants to help me please let me know:P

Paul man if you want help just give me a buzz......will be happy to help out with anything

The excitment begins... And finally happens!:D

Paul man if you want help just give me a buzz......will be happy to help out with anything
+1 Happy to help. I'm good at breaking stuff if you need to completely strip it :P

So is this engine gonna fit with all that lighting in the way??

So is this engine gonna fit with all that lighting in the way??
The engine bay disco balls will have to be removed but besides that little hiccup we should be good to go :)

what colour are you powder coating the wheels???

what colour are you powder coating the wheels???

ANy how much?. Im looking at PC my rims black.

Less cosmetic mods and moar ripping engine out and putting new one in :rant:

Less cosmetic mods and moar ripping engine out and putting new one in :rant:

LOL I have another 2 weeks off so i wanna get as much done as possible in this time...
Today dropped everything off to get painted;
Ordered my rotors F+R
Sound deadened the boot
put stockys on all around
Tried to disconnect auto shifter cable from lever but one of the clips is a bitch, so I'll try again tonight....Really wanna get my manual shifter in so i can be all like daytona styles.
and took off the radiator hoses for now, hopefully tomorrow it comes out!

Didn't know i could turn a clean and empty garage into a filled ****hole in only 2 days but yeah what can I say I work wonders!

Oh and some new mods to the XE Falcon I'm driving again...
Now has no fuel gauge or speedo!
My nannu has a piece of rubber hose he sticks into the tank - If fuel appears on the end we are all good to go!

BTW Hightek Brakes in Moorabbin VIC Gave me a wicked price on the rotors (Street Series Slotteds) so if anyone is after rotors give them a hoy!
BTW2 i got a few more dollars off cause I'm a FordMods members, so join up and yeah get a few more $$ in your pocket

']Oh and some new mods to the XE Falcon I'm driving again...
Now has no fuel gauge or speedo!
My nannu has a piece of rubber hose he sticks into the tank - If fuel appears on the end we are all good to go!


Genuine LOL! :P lol

AND YES - I have started..
Taken a while but i said i would do it when i have time and money and now that annual leave is here what better time to start!
So, what happened today?
-****ty SOHC 12 valve and even worse slush box came out :D
-Engine bay fully degreased - everywhere, all subframes, wheel guards, everything i could hit with degreaser and a karcher got blasted.
-Radiator out.
-All A/C Lines removed (It can go to hell)

Tomorrow the fun begins!
-Install 3.5L
-Install Manual GB
-Run some new heater hose, fuel line, and install new fuel filter.

Will also be using the standard SOHC 12V TB as its the same size as this one except without all the extra stupid little vacuum lines and linkages and whatever...much easier...

Gotta install the manual Linkage cables through the firewall, and if i get enough time try and mount the pedal boxes
Oh and piccys!
TUFFTR;
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion6.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion2.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion5.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion4.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion3.jpg

Hopefully after this i will get close to the magna that I've always wanted.

i see it i hear it but i don't believe it :shock: lol

Yeah sorry the pictures fail, Also got rid of AC condensor and A/T Cooler....So much more freeken room in there!

Does anyone know if they make a short shifter for the 2nd gens? Its like rowing a boat...

did you paint the stockies just for the pics?:D

lookin good though. Makes me wish that i had the $$$ to do my DOHC conversion.

Nah mate, stockys as are is, luckily they all have decent tread and are all in good nick

Oh fine I'll use them as burnout tyres :roll: lol

Also, whats the deal on powdercoating? Do my 19"s need to be sandblasted or some crap?

looking good tuffy, when do you think its going to be done???

If youre interested, $20 + postage for the auto cooler and the stupid little metal pipe thing that goes with it. Feel free to cut this if its too long, I only require about 5cm of pipe after they come together (when you look at it youll see what I mean)

No rush on shipping, I see you are busy.....

Looking awesome mate! Can't wait to see it finished! Gimme a holla if you ever need a hand or anything! I've bugged you enough for car parts:P

hits snooze button again..... thread goes quiet..... i think christmas will come first.LOL jks

hahah thanks choonga! But most of it is sorted...
Today, got the ENGINE IN *insert glee* and also the manual gearbox.
Things went in sort of easy, had our fair amount of hassles, lucky Phil knew what to do!
Without the air-con pipes and that HOMO automatic gearbox - there is so much room its not funny!
So tidy (in comparison to stock) and clean...just looks wicked....
So yeah, run down of today..
Engine in
Gearbox in
A/C pipes and condenser removed
started stripping the wiring...

So yeah, here are some pics
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion11.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion12.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/dodgeviper89/DOHCConversion10.jpg

Auto and manual GB mounts are the ****ing same btw.

List of things to do goes as follows
Install starter motor
Block off auto trans pipes in bottom of radiator
take off the A/C fan off the radiator
put the manual half shaft in
buy a new gas tensioner
degrease underbody
remove ECU + TCU
install manual shifter cables
install clutch master cylinder
install A/C compressor (just so the belt has something there)
buy exhaust manifolds

So yeah got a few days of solid work left...
oh and my mate put my numberplate there dont ask :P